[00:06] it's been a while since I've made a completely new package... revu isn't used anymore [00:17] JontheEchidna: lol, I thought the same thing like 3 months ago or so ^^ [00:17] <.< [00:17] probably because it is somewhat unmaintained [00:17] I remember well the days when it had sanity checks and what not [00:18] what a fancy tool it was [00:18] of course it was compensating for lunchpad's lack of abilities [00:19] and of course those are not gone [00:19] so not using revu is a step back IMHO [00:20] REVU is usable if it's coordinated, just not for random stuff to be uploaded [00:22] random stuff? [00:24] http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59011-Firefox-KDE-support&p=300146&viewfull=1#post300146 [00:31] claydoh: oh [00:31] claydoh: let's play catchup [00:32] * micahg hopes that PPA has the Firefox branding disabled [00:32] apachelogger: random stuff = dput with a hope of a review [00:32] hehe I did point the person to come here for advice [00:33] apachelogger: catchup with what [00:35] lol: [00:35] [20:33:58] even the source is crap: qtextcontrol_p_p.h [00:35] [20:34:28] why? [00:35] [20:34:32] it's a weeping emoticon [00:35] [20:34:34] seems sensible [00:35] micahg: that is because that stuff is mostly utter crap :P [00:39] /tmp/buildd/libkgapi-0.4.0/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/libkgapi/../../libkgapi/ui/authwidget_p.h:27:20: fatal error: QWebView: No such file or directory [00:39] undeclared dependency on QtWebKit \o/ [00:40] !find QWebView [00:40] File QWebView found in libopenscenegraph-dev, libqtwebkit-dev, openscenegraph-doc [00:55] yesyesyes [00:55] JontheEchidna: I had that too [00:55] something is a shit with our findqt4 [00:55] JontheEchidna: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/libqzeitgeist/repository/revisions/10fce186a706e8ce124ed42b55f1577084134e59 [00:56] or maybe that is by design because qtwebkit is not in qt anymore [00:56] makes sense since QtWebkit is shipped [00:56] I am not sure [00:56] separately from Qt [00:56] well, but then cmake would have broken compatibility [00:56] not that it would have been the first time :P [00:56] :P [00:57] * apachelogger is not a fan of implicit linking anyway, so he did not look into it [00:57] also findqt4 is always warping my mind [00:57] * apachelogger finds it bad enough when he has to look into something for phonon [01:17] anybody up for a little revu? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libkgapi [01:46] python-mlt3, in the same source as libmlt5, but still depends on libmlt4 :s [01:46] (libmlt4 is NBS from older mlt) [01:47] oh, it seems to be nbs too [01:47] nvm [01:47] weird that they'd include the c++ .so number in the python package name [02:24] Garg, I wish there was a bookmark / password inport from Chromium in Rekonq. [02:25] ^for a momemt there I thought you were addressing shadeslayer ^^ [02:27] LOL Yeah, I thought about that after I typped it. [02:49] +1 [02:50] Darkwing: can't chromium export to html? [02:51] apachelogger: Not that I can find [02:52] I was thinking of taking googles "Chrome to Phone" program and see if I can't figure out how to import from a google account. [03:17] FYI, I can remove packages now (Riddell will still be able to as well), so let me know. [03:19] ScottK: mind taking a look at qt4-x11? [03:19] builds for everything now :) [03:21] I was just looking at it. [03:22] :) [03:28] JontheEchidna: Accepted. [03:28] thx [03:28] No problem. [03:45] Updated kubuntu.org to reflect 4.8.3 in -updates. [04:03] Darkwing: open bookmark manager [04:03] in the menu choose organize and export to html [04:04] kbookmarksmanager should be able to import that [04:06] JontheEchidna: still up? [04:06] yup [04:06] though I am a bit surprised you are still up :P [04:06] JontheEchidna: what do you think of removing apturl [04:06] * apachelogger has exam in 3 hrs ^^ [04:07] pulling an all-nighter? [04:07] JontheEchidna: integrating the functionality into muon/qapt-installer [04:07] yeah, I was planning on revising [04:07] but my procrastination skills are too good [04:07] ^^ [04:08] http://letsfollowthewhiterabbit.blogspot.com/2011/12/kubuntu-should-not-use-kde-only.html [04:08] iirc the ubuntu apturl opens up app pages in software-center [04:09] that would be nice to have for the Muon one [04:09] well, you really just need an url parser [04:09] oh yeah, there's no technical limitations whatsoever [04:09] all the other craps is outsourced to python-apt in apturl anyway [04:09] :P [04:10] ohhh, and archive activation I think [04:10] i.e. you can turn on multiverse [04:10] though I think that is rather pointless nowadays [04:10] probably could be removed from the spec altogether [04:11] yeah [04:11] anyway, my opinion on that is that it is a good idea [04:11] I'll see what I can do [04:11] but I also kind of committed myself to writing the KDE jockey replacement, so we'll see how that goes >.> [04:12] suppose I can write you the parser :P [04:13] apturl-kde is already mostly using qapt-batch for the install stuff anyways :P [04:14] if I go to bed now I can get 6.5 hrs sleep,so I think I will [04:17] JontheEchidna: bonne nuit [06:31] packagers, is anyone planning on doing Amarok beta? [06:31] 2.6 beta, I should say' [08:40] oh boy, I should have gone to bed [08:44] who ever writes the kubuntu news please remember to name what Jonathan is to thank :) [08:44] ScottK: ^ === amichair_ is now known as amichair [08:50] bulldog98: nus? jon? thank? [08:51] apachelogger: the news we always mention who packaged the stuff, but we have more than one Jonathan and we kind of allways only name persons with their firstname [08:52] well yes, I do see one Jon being thanked [08:52] should the other be thanked too? [09:09] I don’t remember, but the thing is it’s not visible who is meant with that [09:10] was it Riddell, JontheEchidna or me? [09:15] bulldog98: well, however contributed to .3 may feel thanked :P [09:15] *whoever [09:28] agateau: there are some appmenu patches in kdevelop packages. what's their upstreaming status? [09:29] debfx: I have no idea :/, need to check [09:30] oh, hi apol, maybe you can answer debfx question [09:30] apoi: agateau: there are some appmenu patches in kdevelop packages. what's their upstreaming status? [09:31] agateau: can you fill me in? [09:32] debfx: do you have an url handy for apol? [09:33] apol: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/kdevelop/quantal/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_appmenu_fix.diff and https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/kdevplatform/quantal/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_appmenu_fix.diff [09:35] debfx: can we get a proper reviewboard for this? [09:35] apoi: I can do this [09:35] (post it on rb I mean) [09:36] agateau: why do we need the switcherAction? [09:37] apoi: mmm, that looks weird [09:38] * apachelogger needs to lay down a bit Oo [09:39] agateau: and why does tabBar become a call? O.o [09:39] it's a weird patch :P [09:39] I don't remember writing the patch like this, but it was a long time ago [09:40] tabBar became a call because it becomes private in mainwindow_p.h but I don't remember writing this [09:41] then there are missing things... [09:42] apoi: the goal of the patch is to disable the tabs on the right of the menubar, because that does not work with appmenu [09:42] I assume the switcherAction is supposed to replace it [09:43] * agateau looks for the original patch in older sources [09:43] agateau: (my nick is APOL not APOI xD) [09:43] apoi: oups :) [09:44] apol: ah damn! [09:44] damn? [09:46] apol: I messed up again, that's why [09:47] ok [09:47] well I think i prefer that to not understanding anything :P [09:47] apol: it's starting to make more sense [09:47] apol: the patch is actually complete [09:48] apol: what happens is the area switcher widget is associated with the switcherAction [09:48] apol: see line 22 of the kdevplatform patch [09:48] apol: the kdevelop patch just adds this action to the toolbar, effectively moving the area switcher from the menubar row to the toolbar [09:49] now it's longer O.o [09:49] apol: I still don't know why I changed stuff in mainwindow_p.h [09:49] apol: what do you mean? [09:50] apol: the toolbar is longer? [09:50] the patch, i reloaded and it appeared completely [09:51] oh [09:51] must be a conspiration from the qtcreator devs ;) [09:51] it always is xD [09:52] agateau: ok, can you put it on rb? like this we can just approve it and get it in [09:52] apol: yup, will do [09:57] less distro patches, yay :) [09:58] now we just need to get rid of the 56 patches we ship in the qt4 package :/ [10:27] hey all [11:01] heh [11:51] apol: hey, I am refreshing the kdevelop patch right now, and I noticed something weird: if I select "Project > Open / Import Project..." I can't select CMakeLists.txt files anymore. Am I missing something? [12:04] agateau: maybe you don't have the cmake plugin set up? [12:04] you should be able to (I can) [12:05] apol: could be. Is it in a separate repo? [12:05] agateau: it's in KDevelop [12:08] apol: mmm, kbuildsycoca4 for the win! [12:08] :D [12:46] debfx: apol: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105116/ and https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105117/ [12:50] agateau: what happens if the user changes the native menu bar thing while using kdevelop? [12:50] apol: the internet reboots [12:50] apol: more seriously, the change is ignored [12:51] apol: I don't think there is a way to detect it [12:51] ok [12:51] :P [12:52] agateau: i'm already using this patch in kubuntu, right? [12:52] apol: right [12:52] apol: or rather the more complex version which changed tabBar to tabBar() [12:53] agateau: do you have a screenshot of it without the menu? :P [12:53] apol: hold on [12:53] * apol thinks that reviewboards without screenshots are too limited :D [12:54] apol: it's not exactly pretty: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/31/plasma-desktopLv2068.png [12:55] do you use it? [12:56] apol: I used to when I was using appmenu, but I don't use appmenu anymore [12:57] apol: actually I forgot to undo one of my button changes, so it looks like that: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/31/plasma-desktopfA2068.png [12:57] apol: Shortening "Build Selection" to "Build" and "Commit Current Project" to "Commit" helps a bit [12:58] yep [12:58] well [12:58] i'll set the ship it [12:58] \o/ [12:58] if you want to shorten those, feel free to open another rb :D [12:58] heh [12:59] wait [12:59] agateau: why did you add the action from the runcontroller? it should be done fron the UiController [12:59] :P [13:00] damn [13:00] * agateau looks atUiController [13:02] apol: RunController is where all actions are created, isn't it? [13:02] agateau: the runcontroller holds teh running code (as in execute or debug your application) [13:03] just like projectcontroller for project stuff and documentationcontroller for docs [13:03] ok [13:03] agateau: you can see projectcontroller.cpp:480 how it has another setupActions [13:04] apol: ok, so I should create a UiController::setupActions() method? [13:04] agateau: yes [13:05] apol: ok, updating the patch [13:05] thanks aurelien :) [13:15] apol: updated [13:18] agateau: ship it [13:18] apol: final word? :) [13:19] agateau: it's been a pleasure xD [13:22] apol: while we are at it, what do you think of that old one? https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101506/ [13:22] adymo said it's useless, but I think it would still make sense [13:23] hm [13:24] agateau: it says he fixed it in a different way [13:24] *it/adymo [13:24] apol: as of today, it's not fixed here :/ [13:25] well, here i don't see the button [13:25] so it looks fine [13:25] mmm [13:25] maybe I was not explicit enough [13:25] the patch is not about seeing the button frame [13:25] it's about having the button frame (visible or not) stuck to the border [13:26] so that you can throw your mouse to the screen edge and click the button [13:26] ahhhh [13:26] I used plastique on the screenshot to demonstrate the margin change [13:27] agateau: does the patch still work? [13:27] rbelem: have you tried using the --loginhelper option in kvkbd with KDM? [13:27] apol: It applies, I think it should work, it's just a one-liner [13:28] rbelem: I tried adding this : kvkbd --loginhelper in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup and it starts for one second [13:28] and then vanishes [13:28] apol: see, I shouldn't have added a screenshot, then you and adimo would have read the description ;) [13:28] agateau: at some point dymo said he'd remove the ideal layout [13:28] agateau: yeah, the first time i saw, i thought it was about the tooltip xD [13:29] apol: ideal is the system which creates the buttons around the main window? [13:29] yes, I think so [13:29] agateau: let me try the patch [13:33] rbelem: btw, qtmobility is fully merged and merry now :) [13:33] jtechidna|work, thanks :-D [13:34] shadeslayer, hum... i was thinking about using maliit with lightdm [13:34] lightdm-kde [13:34] rbelem: except, it needs a bit of work on the symbols files for the arm archs [13:34] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmobility/1.2.0-3ubuntu2/+build/3537608/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armel.qtmobility_1.2.0-3ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [13:35] GCC 4.7 made it stop exporting some symbols that really didn't belong to qtmobility in the first place [13:35] so the symbol files will need updating by somebody with access to an arm box [13:36] jtechidna|work, i have one [13:36] jtechidna|work, i can do that [13:36] great :) [13:36] :-) [13:37] jtechidna|work, but i dont know how to update the symbols file [13:37] :-) [13:38] jtechidna|work, how do i do that? [13:38] so [13:38] bulldog98: I didn't change that. It was in the original announcement, but I'll fix it. [13:38] the symbols files keep track of what c++ symbols the library ships [13:38] whenever a symbol is removed, it triggers a build failure [13:39] usually this means that a library broke ABI when it shouldn't [13:39] but in this case a symbol has been removed that wasn't part of the library at all, but was showing up because the library was linked to the library that had the symbol [13:39] this is the relevant bit of the build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1016348/ [13:40] to fix that, you would just remove line 9 entirely [13:40] (but don't add line 10) [13:40] then you'd have to continue the package build to make sure that there aren't any more like that [13:41] nice! :-) [13:41] thanks jtechidna|work [13:41] yw [13:43] agateau: If you're updating kdevelop, we need to merge from Debian too. They just updated all their kdevelop related packages and suggested we update from that. [13:46] ScottK: I am upstreaming appmenu patches [13:46] rather, I just upstreamed [13:46] agateau: OK. I thought you were updating our packages too. [14:07] agateau: ship it :D [14:08] apol: thanks! [14:11] wondering what happens when one closes a discard reviewrequest through the git commit hook [14:14] agateau: internet will reboot probably, then we won't know if it was appmenu [14:14] apol: that's the only possible outcome indeed :) [14:14] interestingly, the margin fix does not work for the bottom row :/ [14:15] s/interestingly/sadly/ [14:15] apol: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [14:16] wow man! here in kubuntu you're all over the place :P [14:23] apol: you do know kubotu is a bot, right? [14:24] it has many interesting pulgins [14:24] s/pulgins/plugins [14:25] ... [14:25] * jtechidna|work slaps kubotu === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [14:37] :P [14:37] yes i know [14:37] but still :P [15:55] whats up kubuntu peeps! are we changin names still? [15:57] vorian, which names ? [15:57] i cant recall [15:57] BluesKaj, I think he is meaning after canonical and the fetuare of kubuntu [15:58] Ezim, yes , but which names are in the running ? :) [15:59] BluesKaj, no, I know about. :) [15:59] * Ezim hopes kubuntu goes rolling release and straight debian... dreaming away :) [15:59] it was one Mamarok came up with [16:00] * vorian leaves [16:00] oh they'll probly come up with some lame name .. [16:00] when sabdfl was told about the name changing plan he went WHAT [16:00] can't be any worse than obscure animals [16:01] and then asked for an email explaining who was asked at canonical about the trademark stuff, because he was completely unaware that the legal department had said no [16:01] so it looks like the name is not changing, because sabdfl can override other canonical decisions [16:01] canfigures [16:02] well id hope so [16:03] bbl [16:04] i still wonder if all this effort put into a kde based os may not be better served or another distro, since its obvious now we are the blue haired stepchildren [16:05] its alway been obvious [16:11] vorian: I think it's a fair trade. We've always gotten less Canonical support, but we also have a lot more community control than Ubuntu. === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK === dantti_laptop is now known as dantti_away [16:42] jtechidna|work: will be more point release of Muon 1.3.x? [16:43] ulysses: yes [16:44] I'm planning on one this weekend [16:45] I found a typo in the Hungarian translation, now I look for it to fix [16:46] ulysses: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/hu/messages/extragear-sysadmin/ [16:47] wait, that's the unstable translations [16:47] I found it in the stable bracn [16:47] k, cool [16:48] it doesn't exist in trunk, only this: [16:48] #~ msgctxt "Category" [16:48] #~ msgid "File Sharing" [16:51] fix committed into the stable branch [16:52] thanks [17:01] i think you all were sniffing bath salts about 20 hours ago with your fairy tales [17:06] Pici: ^ Lolwot [17:06] he shouldn't be here? 0.o [17:07] no. [17:07] see pm [17:11] hi .. is there any amarok 2.6.1 ppa ? [17:15] ejat: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok < Doesn't look like it [17:15] ( That page also lists all amarok source packages in PPA's, and all of them look older than 2.5.0 [17:15] ) [17:16] ejat: plus, you know, it was released just 2 days ago, and someone will get to it evetually [17:16] oh, make that 20 hours ago ( According to email time stamps ) [17:17] * shadeslayer is wondering why Amarok looks all orange in those screenshots [17:18] shadeslayer: yeah .. im just asking ... wondering if someone already start doing the package in their ppa :) [17:18] doubt it :P [17:18] kind of understaffed at the moment [17:18] ouch ... [17:19] maybe can gain/recruit or attract new staff :) [17:19] Just another week to go for my exams to finish, then I'll have all the time in the world ^_^ [17:20] shadeslayer: owh no wonder .. [17:20] shadeslayer, my ended today :)... [17:20] lucky you [17:20] I have 2 more to go and I absolutely don't want to study [17:20] shadeslayer, sorry.. not exame... only this semester :P [17:21] Ezim: Ah, this is my last semester :P [17:21] shadeslayer, good then you can bring goddies to kubuntu... make it rolling release with 12.10 (joking kind of ) [17:21] lol [17:22] I did manage to start Active on my tablet today [17:22] so not being *completely* worthless [17:22] :) [17:22] oh god, I love notes.kde.org, that stupid wiki makes me want to cry [17:23] I think kubuntu will be bigger among linux user if they stop be canonical step child... people se kubuntu that way I feel :( [17:25] dunno, I never felt that way [17:27] then again, my opinion is biased [17:27] shadeslayer, thats because we are kde-lovers [17:27] shadeslayer, maybe direct based on debian and going our own way would be good for kubuntu-community [17:28] it would be easier I think to manage the distro [17:28] nah [17:28] jtechidna|work: have you played Planet Forge yet? [17:28] nope [17:30] okay, me neither, looks cool, isn't available for Mac or Linux, so can't play [17:30] doesn't work under wine as well [17:52] jtechidna|work: the policy file in libqapt needs a change to allow the translation of the actions [17:53] https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/worker/org.kubuntu.qaptworker.policy [17:54] what change is that? [17:54] e.g. Update software sources [17:55] just like jockey or aptdaemon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1016649/ [17:55] so Messages.sh is already generating proper templates, but I need to mark which template to use in each of the descriptions? [17:59] I don't know if Messages.sh extracts these, there are more step to fix this, even the package must be changed [17:59] see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/913591 [17:59] Launchpad bug 913591 in Ubuntu Translations "Gparted needs to use dh_translations" [Medium,Fix released] [18:01] it would be different if the translations were in a .mo file that muon ships for the translations [18:02] iirc gnome ships all their .desktop and similar files in the .desktop files themselves [18:03] so if the messages are actually getting into the .pot's, after the gettext-domain change to the policy file things should be good [18:03] but it looks like it's not doing that yet [18:07] it does not [18:13] are council nominations really still open? [18:29] jtechidna|work: if you commit it today or tomorrow, it will appear next day in the .pot, translators do it fast, and scripty merge it back, but it needs at least 3 days [18:54] jussi: Ask apachelogger. [18:54] nomination period ends saturday next week [18:55] Anyone want to be the Kubuntu dude at the release team meeting tomorrow? [18:55] With jr still missing, I've been doing it and I don't know if I'll be available. [18:55] also I only see three nominations thus far, that is a bit boring :P [18:55] * ScottK is all for boring. [18:56] Im still figuring out if I can commit the time. Out of curiousity, how much time do you peoples who are on there estimate it takes at the moment? [18:57] not much at all [18:57] Here's what I told about what we've been up to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-May/001280.html [18:58] jtechidna|work: could you quantify "not much" a little? [18:59] jussi: well, just time to answer a few more infrequent emails, and attending all the normal kubuntu meetings regularly [19:00] !ninjas [19:00] Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel [19:00] jtechidna|work: and do you forsee that changing at all in the future, with the current changes in our structure? [19:00] 4.4.80 is back on. [19:00] Need to get to work ... [19:01] jussi: primarily the whole "Canonical not sponsoring Kubuntu developers" has just caused a few more mails to be sent out that a council member would reply to :P [19:02] I think Riddell also drafted up some publications on behalf of the council and passed it around to see if it reflected the council's thoughts on the matter [19:04] I expect it's likely to be somewhat more than in the past, but not radically so. [19:26] jtechidna|work: the secret is to wait a day or two and then just +1 on somene elses mail :P [19:26] :P [19:26] * apachelogger is showing off his mighty knowledge === jalcine is now known as Jacky [19:41] btw, I think one thing we could work on a bit is kubuntu's dualhead issues - you know, plasma crashing lots when you unplug the project, things not coming back to single head after removing the plug etc [19:44] jussi: It's been a year or two since I've seen that. [19:44] Also --> Upstream. [19:44] ScottK: sadly its still happening regularly for me :/ [19:45] oh really? not our thing... :/ [19:45] What type of video? [19:45] hrm? [19:45] (Intel, nVidia, ATI?) [19:45] ahh intel [19:46] The big question is, is it driver bugs or KDE bugs. [19:46] Hmmm. Mine's Intel too. [19:46] I have it on 2 machines [19:47] One is a mobile 4 series (dell xt2, with capacitive touch, not sure if that affects it) [19:47] afiestas is probably the man for that kind of problem. [19:48] He keeps wanting to improve the multi-head experience anyway. [19:48] the other is this HP with 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [19:48] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=2&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 2 | Source imported [19:48] * apachelogger thinks we should have gsoced that [20:21]