[00:06] <JontheEchidna> it's been a while since I've made a completely new package... revu isn't used anymore
[00:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lol, I thought the same thing like 3 months ago or so ^^
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[00:17] <apachelogger> probably because it is somewhat unmaintained
[00:17] <apachelogger> I remember well the days when it had sanity checks and what not
[00:18] <apachelogger> what a fancy tool it was
[00:18] <apachelogger> of course it was compensating for lunchpad's lack of abilities
[00:19] <apachelogger> and of course those are not gone
[00:19] <apachelogger> so not using revu is a step back IMHO
[00:20] <micahg> REVU is usable if it's coordinated, just not for random stuff to be uploaded
[00:22] <apachelogger> random stuff?
[00:24] <claydoh> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59011-Firefox-KDE-support&p=300146&viewfull=1#post300146
[00:31] <apachelogger> claydoh: oh
[00:31] <apachelogger> claydoh: let's play catchup
[00:32]  * micahg hopes that PPA has the Firefox branding disabled
[00:32] <micahg> apachelogger: random stuff = dput with a hope of a review
[00:32] <claydoh> hehe I did point the person to come here for advice
[00:33] <claydoh> apachelogger: catchup with what
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> lol:
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> [20:33:58] <argonel> even the source is crap: qtextcontrol_p_p.h
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> [20:34:28] <Sho_> why?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> [20:34:32] <Sho_> it's a weeping emoticon
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> [20:34:34] <Sho_> seems sensible
[00:35] <apachelogger> micahg: that is because that stuff is mostly utter crap :P
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> /tmp/buildd/libkgapi-0.4.0/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/libkgapi/../../libkgapi/ui/authwidget_p.h:27:20: fatal error: QWebView: No such file or directory
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> undeclared dependency on QtWebKit \o/
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> !find QWebView
[00:55] <apachelogger> yesyesyes
[00:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I had that too
[00:55] <apachelogger> something is a shit with our findqt4
[00:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/libqzeitgeist/repository/revisions/10fce186a706e8ce124ed42b55f1577084134e59
[00:56] <apachelogger> or maybe that is by design because qtwebkit is not in qt anymore
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> makes sense since QtWebkit is shipped
[00:56] <apachelogger> I am not sure
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> separately from Qt
[00:56] <apachelogger> well, but then cmake would have broken compatibility
[00:56] <apachelogger> not that it would have been the first time :P
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:57]  * apachelogger is not a fan of implicit linking anyway, so he did not look into it
[00:57] <apachelogger> also findqt4 is always warping my mind
[00:57]  * apachelogger finds it bad enough when he has to look into something for phonon
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> anybody up for a little revu? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libkgapi
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> python-mlt3, in the same source as libmlt5, but still depends on libmlt4 :s
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> (libmlt4 is NBS from older mlt)
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, it seems to be nbs too
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> weird that they'd include the c++ .so number in the python package name
[02:24] <Darkwing> Garg, I wish there was a bookmark / password inport from Chromium in Rekonq.
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> ^for a momemt there I thought you were addressing shadeslayer ^^
[02:27] <Darkwing> LOL Yeah, I thought about that after I typped it.
[02:49] <apachelogger> +1
[02:50] <apachelogger> Darkwing: can't chromium export to html?
[02:51] <Darkwing> apachelogger: Not that I can find
[02:52] <Darkwing> I was thinking of taking googles "Chrome to Phone" program and see if I can't figure out how to import from a google account.
[03:17] <ScottK> FYI, I can remove packages now (Riddell will still be able to as well), so let me know.
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: mind taking a look at qt4-x11?
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> builds for everything now :)
[03:21] <ScottK> I was just looking at it.
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> :)
[03:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> thx
[03:28] <ScottK> No problem.
[03:45] <ScottK> Updated kubuntu.org to reflect 4.8.3 in -updates.
[04:03] <apachelogger> Darkwing: open bookmark manager
[04:03] <apachelogger> in the menu choose organize and export to html
[04:04] <apachelogger> kbookmarksmanager should be able to import that
[04:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still up?
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> yup
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> though I am a bit surprised you are still up :P
[04:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think of removing apturl
[04:06]  * apachelogger has exam in 3 hrs ^^
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> pulling an all-nighter?
[04:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: integrating the functionality into muon/qapt-installer
[04:07] <apachelogger> yeah, I was planning on revising
[04:07] <apachelogger> but my procrastination skills are too good
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[04:08] <apachelogger> http://letsfollowthewhiterabbit.blogspot.com/2011/12/kubuntu-should-not-use-kde-only.html
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> iirc the ubuntu apturl opens up app pages in software-center
[04:09] <JontheEchidna> that would be nice to have for the Muon one
[04:09] <apachelogger> well, you really just need an url parser
[04:09] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, there's no technical limitations whatsoever
[04:09] <apachelogger> all the other craps is outsourced to python-apt in apturl anyway
[04:09] <JontheEchidna> :P
[04:10] <apachelogger> ohhh, and archive activation I think
[04:10] <apachelogger> i.e. you can turn on multiverse
[04:10] <apachelogger> though I think that is rather pointless nowadays
[04:10] <apachelogger> probably could be removed from the spec altogether
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> anyway, my opinion on that is that it is a good idea
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> I'll see what I can do
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> but I also kind of committed myself to writing the KDE jockey replacement, so we'll see how that goes >.>
[04:12] <apachelogger> suppose I can write you the parser :P
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> apturl-kde is already mostly using qapt-batch for the install stuff anyways :P
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> if I go to bed now I can get 6.5 hrs sleep,so I think I will 
[04:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bonne nuit
[06:31] <valorie> packagers, is anyone planning on doing Amarok beta?
[06:31] <valorie> 2.6 beta, I should say'
[08:40] <apachelogger> oh boy, I should have gone to bed
[08:44] <bulldog98> who ever writes the kubuntu news please remember to name what Jonathan is to thank :)
[08:44] <bulldog98> ScottK: ^
[08:50] <apachelogger> bulldog98: nus? jon? thank?
[08:51] <bulldog98> apachelogger: the news we always mention who packaged the stuff, but we have more than one Jonathan and we kind of allways only name persons with their firstname
[08:52] <apachelogger> well yes, I do see one Jon being thanked
[08:52] <apachelogger> should the other be thanked too?
[09:09] <bulldog98> I don’t remember, but the thing is it’s not visible who is meant with that
[09:10] <bulldog98> was it Riddell, JontheEchidna or me?
[09:15] <apachelogger> bulldog98: well, however contributed to .3 may feel thanked :P
[09:15] <apachelogger> *whoever
[09:28] <debfx> agateau: there are some appmenu patches in kdevelop packages. what's their upstreaming status?
[09:29] <agateau> debfx: I have no idea :/, need to check
[09:30] <agateau> oh, hi apol, maybe you can answer debfx question
[09:30] <agateau> apoi: <debfx> agateau: there are some appmenu patches in kdevelop packages. what's their upstreaming status?
[09:31] <apol> agateau: can you fill me in?
[09:32] <agateau> debfx: do you have an url handy for apol?
[09:33] <debfx> apol: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/kdevelop/quantal/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_appmenu_fix.diff and https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/kdevplatform/quantal/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_appmenu_fix.diff
[09:35] <apol> debfx: can we get a proper reviewboard for this?
[09:35] <agateau> apoi: I can do this
[09:35] <agateau> (post it on rb I mean)
[09:36] <apol> agateau: why do we need the switcherAction?
[09:37] <agateau> apoi: mmm, that looks weird
[09:38]  * apachelogger needs to lay down a bit Oo
[09:39] <apol> agateau: and why does tabBar become a call? O.o
[09:39] <apol> it's a weird patch :P
[09:39] <agateau> I don't remember writing the patch like this, but it was a long time ago
[09:40] <agateau> tabBar became a call because it becomes private in mainwindow_p.h but I don't remember writing this
[09:41] <apol> then there are missing things...
[09:42] <agateau> apoi: the goal of the patch is to disable the tabs on the right of the menubar, because that does not work with appmenu
[09:42] <agateau> I assume the switcherAction is supposed to replace it
[09:43]  * agateau looks for the original patch in older sources
[09:43] <apol> agateau: (my nick is APOL not APOI xD)
[09:43] <agateau> apoi: oups :)
[09:44] <agateau> apol: ah damn!
[09:44] <apol> damn?
[09:46] <agateau> apol: I messed up again, that's why
[09:47] <apol> ok
[09:47] <apol> well I think i prefer that to not understanding anything :P
[09:47] <agateau> apol: it's starting to make more sense
[09:47] <agateau> apol: the patch is actually complete
[09:48] <agateau> apol: what happens is the area switcher widget is associated with the switcherAction
[09:48] <agateau> apol: see line 22 of the kdevplatform patch
[09:48] <agateau> apol: the kdevelop patch just adds this action to the toolbar, effectively moving the area switcher from the menubar row to the toolbar
[09:49] <apol> now it's longer O.o
[09:49] <agateau> apol: I still don't know why I changed stuff in mainwindow_p.h
[09:49] <agateau> apol: what do you mean?
[09:50] <agateau> apol: the toolbar is longer?
[09:50] <apol> the patch, i reloaded and it appeared completely
[09:51] <agateau> oh
[09:51] <agateau> must be a conspiration from the qtcreator devs ;)
[09:51] <apol> it always is xD
[09:52] <apol> agateau: ok, can you put it on rb? like this we can just approve it and get it in
[09:52] <agateau> apol: yup, will do
[09:57] <debfx> less distro patches, yay :)
[09:58] <debfx> now we just need to get rid of the 56 patches we ship in the qt4 package :/
[10:27] <BluesKaj> hey all
[11:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:51] <agateau> apol: hey, I am refreshing the kdevelop patch right now, and I noticed something weird: if I select "Project > Open / Import Project..." I can't select CMakeLists.txt files anymore. Am I missing something?
[12:04] <apol> agateau: maybe you don't have the cmake plugin set up?
[12:04] <apol> you should be able to (I can)
[12:05] <agateau> apol: could be. Is it in a separate repo?
[12:05] <apol> agateau: it's in KDevelop
[12:08] <agateau> apol: mmm, kbuildsycoca4 for the win!
[12:08] <apol> :D
[12:46] <agateau> debfx: apol: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105116/ and https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105117/
[12:50] <apol> agateau: what happens if the user changes the native menu bar thing while using kdevelop?
[12:50] <agateau> apol: the internet reboots
[12:50] <agateau> apol: more seriously, the change is ignored
[12:51] <agateau> apol: I don't think there is a way to detect it
[12:51] <apol> ok
[12:51] <apol> :P
[12:52] <apol> agateau: i'm already using this patch in kubuntu, right?
[12:52] <agateau> apol: right
[12:52] <agateau> apol: or rather the more complex version which changed tabBar to tabBar()
[12:53] <apol> agateau: do you have a screenshot of it without the menu? :P
[12:53] <agateau> apol: hold on
[12:53]  * apol thinks that reviewboards without screenshots are too limited :D
[12:54] <agateau> apol: it's not exactly pretty: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/31/plasma-desktopLv2068.png
[12:55] <apol> do you use it?
[12:56] <agateau> apol: I used to when I was using appmenu, but I don't use appmenu anymore
[12:57] <agateau> apol: actually I forgot to undo one of my button changes, so it looks like that: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/31/plasma-desktopfA2068.png
[12:57] <agateau> apol: Shortening "Build Selection" to "Build" and "Commit Current Project" to "Commit" helps a bit
[12:58] <apol> yep
[12:58] <apol> well
[12:58] <apol> i'll set the ship it
[12:58] <agateau> \o/
[12:58] <apol> if you want to shorten those, feel free to open another rb :D
[12:58] <agateau> heh
[12:59] <apol> wait
[12:59] <apol> agateau: why did you add the action from the runcontroller? it should be done fron the UiController
[12:59] <apol> :P
[13:00] <agateau> damn
[13:00]  * agateau looks atUiController
[13:02] <agateau> apol: RunController is where all actions are created, isn't it?
[13:02] <apol> agateau: the runcontroller holds teh running code (as in execute or debug your application)
[13:03] <apol> just like projectcontroller for project stuff and documentationcontroller for docs
[13:03] <agateau> ok
[13:03] <apol> agateau: you can see projectcontroller.cpp:480 how it has another setupActions
[13:04] <agateau> apol: ok, so I should create a UiController::setupActions() method?
[13:04] <apol> agateau: yes
[13:05] <agateau> apol: ok, updating the patch
[13:05] <apol> thanks aurelien :)
[13:15] <agateau> apol: updated
[13:18] <apol> agateau: ship it
[13:18] <agateau> apol: final word? :)
[13:19] <apol> agateau: it's been a pleasure xD
[13:22] <agateau> apol: while we are at it, what do you think of that old one? https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101506/
[13:22] <agateau> adymo said it's useless, but I think it would still make sense
[13:23] <apol> hm
[13:24] <apol> agateau: it says he fixed it in a different way
[13:24] <apol> *it/adymo
[13:24] <agateau> apol: as of today, it's not fixed here :/
[13:25] <apol> well, here i don't see the button
[13:25] <apol> so it looks fine
[13:25] <agateau> mmm
[13:25] <agateau> maybe I was not explicit enough
[13:25] <agateau> the patch is not about seeing the button frame
[13:25] <agateau> it's about having the button frame (visible or not) stuck to the border
[13:26] <agateau> so that you can throw your mouse to the screen edge and click the button
[13:26] <apol> ahhhh
[13:26] <agateau> I used plastique on the screenshot to demonstrate the margin change
[13:27] <apol> agateau: does the patch still work?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> rbelem: have you tried using the --loginhelper option in kvkbd with KDM?
[13:27] <agateau> apol: It applies, I think it should work, it's just a one-liner
[13:28] <shadeslayer> rbelem: I tried adding this : kvkbd --loginhelper in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup and it starts for one second
[13:28] <shadeslayer> and then vanishes
[13:28] <agateau> apol: see, I shouldn't have added a screenshot, then you and adimo would have read the description ;)
[13:28] <apol> agateau: at some point dymo said he'd remove the ideal layout
[13:28] <apol> agateau: yeah, the first time i saw, i thought it was about the tooltip xD
[13:29] <agateau> apol: ideal is the system which creates the buttons around the main window?
[13:29] <apol> yes, I think so
[13:29] <apol> agateau: let me try the patch
[13:33] <jtechidna|work> rbelem: btw, qtmobility is fully merged and merry now :)
[13:33] <rbelem> jtechidna|work, thanks :-D
[13:34] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... i was thinking about using maliit with lightdm
[13:34] <rbelem> lightdm-kde
[13:34] <jtechidna|work> rbelem: except, it needs a bit of work on the symbols files for the arm archs
[13:34] <jtechidna|work> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmobility/1.2.0-3ubuntu2/+build/3537608/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armel.qtmobility_1.2.0-3ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:35] <jtechidna|work> GCC 4.7 made it stop exporting some symbols that really didn't belong to qtmobility in the first place
[13:35] <jtechidna|work> so the symbol files will need updating by somebody with access to an arm box
[13:36] <rbelem> jtechidna|work, i have one
[13:36] <rbelem> jtechidna|work, i can do that
[13:36] <jtechidna|work> great :)
[13:36] <rbelem> :-)
[13:37] <rbelem> jtechidna|work, but i dont know how to update the symbols file
[13:37] <rbelem> :-)
[13:38] <rbelem> jtechidna|work, how do i do that?
[13:38] <jtechidna|work> so
[13:38] <ScottK> bulldog98: I didn't change that.  It was in the original announcement, but I'll fix it.
[13:38] <jtechidna|work> the symbols files keep track of what c++ symbols the library ships
[13:38] <jtechidna|work> whenever a symbol is removed, it triggers a build failure
[13:39] <jtechidna|work> usually this means that a library broke ABI when it shouldn't
[13:39] <jtechidna|work> but in this case a symbol has been removed that wasn't part of the library at all, but was showing up because the library was linked to the library that had the symbol
[13:39] <jtechidna|work> this is the relevant bit of the build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1016348/
[13:40] <jtechidna|work> to fix that, you would just remove line 9 entirely
[13:40] <jtechidna|work> (but don't add line 10)
[13:40] <jtechidna|work> then you'd have to continue the package build to make sure that there aren't any more like that
[13:41] <rbelem> nice! :-)
[13:41] <rbelem> thanks jtechidna|work 
[13:41] <jtechidna|work> yw
[13:43] <ScottK> agateau: If you're updating kdevelop, we need to merge from Debian too.  They just updated all their kdevelop related packages and suggested we update from that.
[13:46] <agateau> ScottK: I am upstreaming appmenu patches
[13:46] <agateau> rather, I just upstreamed
[13:46] <ScottK> agateau: OK.  I thought you were updating our packages too.
[14:07] <apol> agateau: ship it :D
[14:08] <agateau> apol: thanks!
[14:11] <agateau> wondering what happens when one closes a discard reviewrequest through the git commit hook
[14:14] <apol> agateau: internet will reboot probably, then we won't know if it was appmenu
[14:14] <agateau> apol: that's the only possible outcome indeed :)
[14:14] <agateau> interestingly, the margin fix does not work for the bottom row :/
[14:15] <apol> s/interestingly/sadly/
[14:15] <kubotu> apol: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[14:16] <apol> wow man! here in kubuntu you're all over the place :P
[14:23] <agateau> apol: you do know kubotu is a bot, right?
[14:24] <jtechidna|work> it has many interesting pulgins
[14:24] <jtechidna|work> s/pulgins/plugins
[14:25] <jtechidna|work> ...
[14:25]  * jtechidna|work slaps kubotu 
[14:37] <apol> :P
[14:37] <apol> yes i know
[14:37] <apol> but still :P
[15:55] <vorian> whats up kubuntu peeps!  are we changin names still?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> vorian, which names ?
[15:57] <vorian> i cant recall
[15:57] <Ezim> BluesKaj, I think he is meaning after canonical and the fetuare of kubuntu
[15:58] <BluesKaj> Ezim, yes , but which names are in the running ? :)
[15:59] <Ezim> BluesKaj, no, I know about. :)
[15:59]  * Ezim hopes kubuntu goes rolling release and straight debian... dreaming away :)
[15:59] <vorian> it was one Mamarok came up with
[16:00]  * vorian leaves
[16:00] <BluesKaj> oh they'll probly come up with some lame name  ..
[16:00] <maco> when sabdfl was told about the name changing plan he went WHAT
[16:00] <BluesKaj> can't be any worse than obscure animals
[16:01] <maco> and then asked for an email explaining who was asked at canonical about the trademark stuff, because he was completely unaware that the legal department had said no
[16:01] <maco> so it looks like the name is not changing, because sabdfl can override other canonical decisions
[16:01] <vorian> canfigures
[16:02] <vorian> well id hope so
[16:03] <BluesKaj> bbl
[16:04] <vorian> i still wonder if all this effort put into a kde based os may not be better served or another distro, since its obvious now we are the blue haired stepchildren
[16:05] <vorian> its alway been obvious
[16:11] <ScottK2> vorian: I think it's a fair trade.  We've always gotten less Canonical support, but we also have a lot more community control than Ubuntu.
[16:42] <ulysses> jtechidna|work: will be more point release of Muon 1.3.x?
[16:43] <jtechidna|work> ulysses: yes
[16:44] <jtechidna|work> I'm planning on one this weekend
[16:45] <ulysses> I found a typo in the Hungarian translation, now I look for it to fix
[16:46] <jtechidna|work> ulysses: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/hu/messages/extragear-sysadmin/
[16:47] <jtechidna|work> wait, that's the unstable translations
[16:47] <ulysses> I found it in the stable bracn
[16:47] <jtechidna|work> k, cool
[16:48] <ulysses> it doesn't exist in trunk, only this:
[16:48] <ulysses> #~ msgctxt "Category"
[16:48] <ulysses> #~ msgid "File Sharing"
[16:51] <ulysses> fix committed into the stable branch
[16:52] <jtechidna|work> thanks
[17:01] <nixternal> i think you all were sniffing bath salts about 20 hours ago with your fairy tales
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Pici: ^ Lolwot
[17:06] <shadeslayer> he shouldn't be here? 0.o
[17:07] <Pici> no.
[17:07] <Pici> see pm
[17:11] <ejat> hi .. is there any amarok 2.6.1 ppa ? 
[17:15] <shadeslayer> ejat: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok < Doesn't look like it
[17:15] <shadeslayer> ( That page also lists all amarok source packages in PPA's, and all of them look older than 2.5.0
[17:15] <shadeslayer> )
[17:16] <shadeslayer> ejat: plus, you know, it was released just 2 days ago, and someone will get to it evetually
[17:16] <shadeslayer> oh, make that 20 hours ago ( According to email time stamps )
[17:17]  * shadeslayer is wondering why Amarok looks all orange in those screenshots 
[17:18] <ejat> shadeslayer: yeah .. im just asking ... wondering if someone already start doing the package in their ppa :)
[17:18] <shadeslayer> doubt it :P
[17:18] <shadeslayer> kind of understaffed at the moment
[17:18] <ejat> ouch ... 
[17:19] <ejat> maybe can gain/recruit or attract new staff :) 
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Just another week to go for my exams to finish, then I'll have all the time in the world ^_^
[17:20] <ejat> shadeslayer: owh no wonder .. 
[17:20] <Ezim> shadeslayer, my ended today :)...
[17:20] <shadeslayer> lucky you
[17:20] <shadeslayer> I have 2 more to go and I absolutely don't want to study
[17:20] <Ezim> shadeslayer, sorry.. not exame... only this semester :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Ezim: Ah, this is my last semester :P
[17:21] <Ezim> shadeslayer, good then you can bring goddies to kubuntu... make it rolling release with 12.10 (joking kind of )
[17:21] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:22] <shadeslayer> I did manage to start Active on my tablet today
[17:22] <shadeslayer> so not being *completely* worthless
[17:22] <Ezim> :)
[17:22] <shadeslayer> oh god, I love notes.kde.org, that stupid wiki makes me want to cry
[17:23] <Ezim> I think kubuntu will be bigger among linux user if they stop be canonical step child... people se kubuntu that way I feel :(
[17:25] <shadeslayer> dunno, I never felt that way
[17:27] <shadeslayer> then again, my opinion is biased
[17:27] <Ezim> shadeslayer, thats because we are kde-lovers
[17:27] <Ezim> shadeslayer, maybe direct based on debian and going our own way would be good for kubuntu-community
[17:28] <Ezim> it would be easier I think to manage the distro
[17:28] <shadeslayer> nah
[17:28] <shadeslayer> jtechidna|work: have you played Planet Forge yet?
[17:28] <jtechidna|work> nope
[17:30] <shadeslayer> okay, me neither, looks cool, isn't available for Mac or Linux, so can't play
[17:30] <shadeslayer> doesn't work under wine as well
[17:52] <ulysses> jtechidna|work: the policy file in libqapt needs a change to allow the translation of the actions
[17:53] <ulysses> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/worker/org.kubuntu.qaptworker.policy
[17:54] <jtechidna|work> what change is that?
[17:54] <ulysses> e.g. <description gettext-domain="qapt">Update software sources</description>
[17:55] <ulysses> just like jockey or aptdaemon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1016649/
[17:55] <jtechidna|work> so Messages.sh is already generating proper templates, but I need to mark which template to use in each of the descriptions?
[17:59] <ulysses> I don't know if Messages.sh extracts these, there are more step to fix this, even the package must be changed
[17:59] <ulysses> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/913591
[18:01] <jtechidna|work> it would be different if the translations were in a .mo file that muon ships for the translations
[18:02] <jtechidna|work> iirc gnome ships all their .desktop and similar files in the .desktop files themselves
[18:03] <jtechidna|work> so if the messages are actually getting into the .pot's, after the gettext-domain change to the policy file things should be good
[18:03] <jtechidna|work> but it looks like it's not doing that yet
[18:07] <ulysses> it does not
[18:13] <jussi> are council nominations really still open? 
[18:29] <ulysses> jtechidna|work: if you commit it today or tomorrow, it will appear next day in the .pot, translators do it fast, and scripty merge it back, but it needs at least 3 days
[18:54] <ScottK> jussi: Ask apachelogger.
[18:54] <apachelogger> nomination period ends saturday next week
[18:55] <ScottK> Anyone want to be the Kubuntu dude at the release team meeting tomorrow?
[18:55] <ScottK> With jr still missing, I've been doing it and I don't know if I'll be available.
[18:55] <apachelogger> also I only see three nominations thus far, that is a bit boring :P
[18:55]  * ScottK is all for boring.
[18:56] <jussi> Im still figuring out if I can commit the time. Out of curiousity, how much time do you peoples who are on there estimate it takes at the moment? 
[18:57] <jtechidna|work> not much at all
[18:57] <ScottK> Here's what I told about what we've been up to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-May/001280.html
[18:58] <jussi> jtechidna|work: could you quantify "not much" a little?
[18:59] <jtechidna|work> jussi: well, just time to answer a few more infrequent emails, and attending all the normal kubuntu meetings regularly
[19:00] <ScottK> !ninjas
[19:00] <jussi> jtechidna|work: and do you forsee that changing at all in the future, with the current changes in our structure?
[19:00] <ScottK> 4.4.80 is back on.
[19:00] <ScottK> Need to get to work ...
[19:01] <jtechidna|work> jussi: primarily the whole "Canonical not sponsoring Kubuntu developers" has just caused a few more mails to be sent out that a council member would reply to :P
[19:02] <jtechidna|work> I think Riddell also drafted up some publications on behalf of the council and passed it around to see if it reflected the council's thoughts on the matter
[19:04] <ScottK> I expect it's likely to be somewhat more than in the past, but not radically so.
[19:26] <apachelogger> jtechidna|work: the secret is to wait a day or two and then just +1 on somene elses mail :P
[19:26] <jtechidna|work> :P
[19:26]  * apachelogger is showing off his mighty knowledge
[19:41] <jussi> btw, I think one thing we could work on a bit is kubuntu's dualhead issues - you know, plasma crashing lots when you unplug the project, things not coming back to single head after removing the plug etc
[19:44] <ScottK> jussi: It's been a year or two since I've seen that.
[19:44] <ScottK> Also --> Upstream.
[19:44] <jussi> ScottK: sadly its still happening regularly for me :/
[19:45] <jussi> oh really? not our thing... :/
[19:45] <ScottK> What type of video?
[19:45] <jussi> hrm? 
[19:45] <ScottK> (Intel, nVidia, ATI?)
[19:45] <jussi> ahh intel
[19:46] <ScottK> The big question is, is it driver bugs or KDE bugs.
[19:46] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Mine's Intel too.
[19:46] <jussi> I have it on 2 machines
[19:47] <jussi> One is a mobile 4 series (dell xt2, with capacitive touch, not sure if that affects it)
[19:47] <ScottK> afiestas is probably the man for that kind of problem.
[19:48] <ScottK> He keeps wanting to improve the multi-head experience anyway.
[19:48] <jussi> the other is this HP with 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[19:48]  * apachelogger thinks we should have gsoced that
[20:21] <afiestas> jussi: all that should be fixed
[20:21] <afiestas> not perfectly and elegantly fixed, but fixed
[20:21] <afiestas> you should not lose any window when removing a monitor
[20:21] <afiestas> and plasma shouldn't crash, I'm a super heavy user of dualhead, 0 crashes for me
[20:23] <jussi> afiestas: Ive had it many times, nex time Ill submit a crash report and ping you
[20:24] <afiestas> don't want to sound crash, but you should had to report it first time
[20:24] <afiestas> what if now you can't reproduce it anymore? :/
[20:28] <jussi> afiestas: its always been in unfortunate places where I dont have time to get a bug reported - ie. meetings :/ I will go reproduce and report it though
[20:28] <afiestas> thanks
[20:29] <jussi> afiestas: one of the issues is if there is no crash, the other "screen" still stays "attached" and is the primary screen, so I dont have panels or anything
[20:30] <jussi> then when I start system settings and attempt to adjust it back to one, it crashes
[20:31] <afiestas> right now removing the wire doesn't mean "unpluggin it" software-wise
[20:31] <jussi> oh, well there is one thign we need to fix then.
[20:58] <afiestas> I'm working on a new screen management, hope to finish it soonish
[21:02] <Ezim> afiestas, for kubuntu?
[21:02] <afiestas> Ezim: for KDE, kububntu will use it ofc
[21:02] <afiestas> kubuntu is usually early adopter of all my software though :p
[21:03] <Ezim> afiestas, any info about it?
[21:24] <Darkwing> rbelem: ping
[21:24] <Darkwing> afiestas: greetings.
[21:25] <afiestas> Darkwing: HEY
[21:25] <afiestas> *ĥey
[21:25] <afiestas> Ezim: had to restart, di dyou get the url?
[21:26] <Darkwing> afiestas: What you working on?
[21:26] <Darkwing> no URL.
[21:26] <Ezim> no url
[21:27] <afiestas> okz
[21:27] <afiestas> 1 sec I fetch it agian
[21:28] <ScottK> Who's working on 4.4.80?
[21:28] <ScottK> Can we get it in by Monday?
[21:29] <afiestas> Ezim: Darkwing http://community.kde.org/Solid/Projects/DisplayManagement/Design
[21:29] <Ezim> thx
[21:30] <Ezim> afiestas, will it work great with opensource nvidia driver also? even if the closed one works good for me.
[21:30] <Darkwing> Oh nice.
[21:31] <Darkwing> anyone used a working akonadi google resource?
[21:31] <yofel> ScottK: doesn't seem to be anybody right now. And I seriously doubt it's done by monday.
[21:31] <ScottK> Darkwing: Yes.
[21:31] <yofel> I'm back home saturday evening, then I'll do more again
[21:31] <ScottK> yofel: Urgh.
[21:31] <ScottK> It'd be nice to have it for Alpha 1.
[21:31] <Darkwing> ScottK: What all does it sync?
[21:32] <ScottK> Darkwing: contacts and calendar.
[21:32] <yofel> todo's too, but I haven't tested that much
[21:33] <Ezim> afiestas, that looks lot like the current screen manager. am I wrong?
[21:33] <afiestas> Ezim: it should since nvidia now does XRandR as well
[21:34] <afiestas> it is waaaay different
[21:34] <ScottK> Major increase in automagicness.
[21:35] <Ezim> afiestas, okey I can not see the difference.. sorry :(
[21:36] <afiestas> have you read it? :s
[21:36] <Ezim> afiestas, will do it... only looked on the pics first
[21:41] <Ezim> afiestas, really interresting reading. thx alot and I hope you will finish it someday.
[21:41] <yofel> I've updated the pad with the list of tars that need to be re-uploaded
[21:41] <afiestas> Ezim: I hope it too xD
[21:41] <yofel> just remove the comment once it's done
[21:41]  * yofel will try to do some of that now
[21:43] <Ezim> afiestas, do you work for special-company or is this stuff what you do in your spare time?
[21:45] <afiestas> both
[21:45] <afiestas> this concrete work I do on my spare time
[21:57] <Darkwing> Wow, we are a full version behind owncloud...
[22:04] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: fwiw I investigated importing chrome bookmarks into KDE
[22:04] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: I figured out the bookmarks.
[22:04] <shadeslayer> oh? How?
[22:04] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: I was looking for for passwords.
[22:05] <Darkwing> In chrome... about:bookmarks export as HTML
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: how did you import Chrome's bookmarks though?
[22:05] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:05] <Darkwing> Then in rekonq import firefox bookmarks and pick the HTML file.
[22:05] <shadeslayer> righto
[22:05] <Ezim> afiestas, thx for the info. for blue system?
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: I can just implement this in KDE though
[22:06] <Darkwing> That would be epic. 
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: like, copy the export to HTML code from google chrome into keditbookmarks and then use the standard HTML importer
[22:06] <Darkwing> Actually, if we could figure out how google handles the api for inporting all the info in the first place THAT would be awesome.
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: google docs
[22:06] <shadeslayer> :D
[22:07] <Darkwing> Yeah... But, I'm looking at the passwords.
[22:07] <shadeslayer> i.e. it simply uses REST calls to Google Drive
[22:07] <shadeslayer> ah passwords, no idea
[22:07] <Darkwing> all chromium/chrome passwords are synced with google.
[22:07] <shadeslayer> Everything is saved in ~/.config/google-chrome/Default/
[22:07] <shadeslayer> there's a sql db in there
[22:07] <Darkwing> Yeah, I figured that out.
[22:07] <shadeslayer> under Sync Data
[22:07] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:08] <Darkwing> But, the passwords are hashed and it wouldn't display correctly.
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: the problem will be unencrypting the data
[22:08] <shadeslayer> right
[22:08] <shadeslayer> we don't know what kind of encryption google does :)
[22:08] <Darkwing> This is why I'm going to do some digging and see if the API that is used in chromium is open or not.
[22:09] <Darkwing> with Google, it's a flip of a coin if it's open or not.
[22:09] <shadeslayer> should be
[22:09] <shadeslayer> chromium has sync as well
[22:09] <Darkwing> Right.
[22:09] <Darkwing> So, it would just be a matter of finding it.
[22:10] <shadeslayer> the code is just horribly bloated :P
[22:10] <Darkwing> If we didn't add it as default into rekonq, at least an addon/plugin.
[22:10] <shadeslayer> erm
[22:10] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: *cough* https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104673/ *cough*
[22:11] <Darkwing> That's half. :D
[22:11] <shadeslayer> half?
[22:11] <shadeslayer> the other half being getting it packaged and released?
[22:12] <Darkwing> well, that takes care of bookmarks.
[22:12] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:12] <Darkwing> and that is really awesome. But, the passwords is another beast.
[22:12] <shadeslayer> you want passwords as well
[22:12] <Darkwing> I've been using chrome since it was first released. :D
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Pretty sure that's impossible without knowing the encryption scheme
[22:12] <shadeslayer> same
[22:13] <shadeslayer> I think I've been using it since version 5-6 ... don't remember the exact revision
[22:13] <Darkwing> I don't want to use it, I would LOVE to use rekonq but, I don't want to have to redo all my passwords.
[22:13] <shadeslayer> exact same problem
[22:13] <Darkwing> I was a beta tester a few years ago.
[22:13] <shadeslayer> -> Canary channel
[22:13] <Darkwing> I got the bookmarks in. Having an active sync would be EPIC
[22:13] <shadeslayer> Version 20.0.1132.11 dev :P
[22:13] <Darkwing> and getting the passwords woudl be wonderful.
[22:14] <Darkwing> I just did a fresh install this morning on my laptop.
[22:14] <shadeslayer> it would be, but then again, encryption et all
[22:14] <shadeslayer> interesting thing here is that my bookmarks are not encrypted
[22:14] <shadeslayer> even though I told chrome to encrypt them
[22:14] <Darkwing> Yeah... too bad they didn't use MD5 with the google account pass being the key.
[22:15] <shadeslayer> ok, I've gtg
[22:15] <shadeslayer> cya
[22:15] <Darkwing> cya mate.
[22:17] <apachelogger> where is Quintasan the ol landlubbber?
[22:18]  * Darkwing shakes a fist at google
[22:23] <claydoh> anyone knbow whom to poke about releasing #kubuntuforums so us forum folks can make use of it? It currently redirects to #kubuntu
[22:24] <apachelogger> jussi I presume?
[22:35] <Darkwing> Yeah, I would poke jussi
[22:57] <CIA-122> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 414 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) refresh symbol files and update python3-support-bytecode.patch for new tarball
[22:57]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[23:20] <claydoh> apachelogger:  and Darkwing thank you!