[00:13] <odrin> hello
[00:18] <odrin> ok, i don't know if the problem is my comp or some setting I have, but everytime I use the spacebar any website I'm on scrolls down
[00:20] <windbuntu> good evening lubuntu technicians.
[00:21] <Unit193> odrin: That's normal for browsers, goes to the next link or page down.
[00:22] <odrin> so i need to look for help in the uber newbie help areas... got it. sorry. Never had that problem on my old (newer) machine, thought it had to do with having just installed lubuntu
[00:24] <Unit193> It's what I've seen on the windows boxes too, unless I'm misunderstanding.
[00:29] <odrin> so thuirty seconds of research, and this is default behavior for all http compliant browsers, but it is supposed to disable when a text input or container is selected. For what ever reason, sometimes the browser picks up the spacebar anyways
[00:30] <odrin> what is frustrating is that (just checked) this machine oesn't have that issue when logged into ubuntu session. wish there was a way to fix it in lubuntu
[00:35] <Bulletrulz> help i need help
[00:36] <Bulletrulz> i messed up my panel and cant find it
[00:36] <Bulletrulz> how to make another one through  a command line
[00:36] <wxl> Bulletrulz: are you sure it's running?
[00:36] <Bulletrulz> wxl how to start it
[00:37] <windbuntu> you could try that command, ,,,,,gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[00:37] <windbuntu> http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/06/20/how-to-reset-panels-settings-to-default-in-ubuntu/
[00:38] <wxl> well you need to find if you have it running
[00:39] <wxl> you may have just accidentially hidden it
[00:39] <brandon__> help!
[00:39] <brandon__> im bulletrulz
[00:39] <wxl> hit alt-f2
[00:39] <brandon__> how to undide it
[00:39] <wxl> then hit lxtask
[00:40] <wxl> do you see lxpanel there?
[00:40] <brandon__> yes
[00:41] <brandon__> wxl yes
[00:41] <wxl> ok then it's running
[00:41] <wxl> that's good
[00:41] <wxl> now alt-f2 again
[00:41] <brandon__> ok
[00:41] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart
[00:41] <wxl> is it back?
[00:41] <brandon__> no
[00:41] <wxl> alt-f2
[00:42] <wxl> lxpanelctl config
[00:42] <brandon__> ty man
[00:42] <wxl> np ;)
[03:46] <odrin> is there a way to use a usb mouse with lubuntu?
[03:47] <Unit193> Plug it in?
[03:47] <odrin> ok, but my machine isn't reckognizing its there
[03:48] <odrin> nevermind.. switched ports and now its working great...
[03:54] <jthompson87> I am not totally sure of the protocol here, so I apologize if this is the wrong place to put this.
[03:54] <jthompson87> Is anyone else experiencing a bug with network-manager when connecting to a WPA-secured network?
[03:54] <Unit193> You have any details? What "bug"?
[03:55] <jthompson87> Sorry.  It sees it as a WEP network, and thus only allows passkeys of 5 or 13 digits.
[03:57] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376621 Like that? Sounds like a card issue, what's the model?
[03:58] <jthompson87> I don't think it is a card or driver issue, but it is an Atheros, not sure of the exact model.
[03:58] <jthompson87> I was finally able to get wifi working by installing WICD, but I was hoping there was a way to get vanilla network-manager to work with it.
[04:01] <jthompson87> Do you have any ideas?  If not, I can just stick with WICD and live without the panel notifications.
[04:02] <Unit193> Not right now, WPA seemed to like me. :P
[04:03] <jthompson87> Ah, well.  I put in a recommendation on the 12.10 work items whiteboard because wicd does not contain any GNOME dependencies, and I think it might be a good replacement if I am not alone in my issue.
[04:07] <Unit193> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=458125
[04:10] <jthompson87> Yeah, I am aware that other people have the bug.  A forum post on another site (boardreader, it was, I believe) led me to install wicd and now I am getting wifi again.  If network-manager is simply not going to cooperate, then I will just not use it.
[04:13] <jthompson87> I am, however, interested in the reason that the default manager in the most popular Linux distro in the world seems to be plagued, and has been plagued for years, by this issue.  Is it because it has GNOME integration?
[04:15] <Unit193> Alright, well if that works and you're good with it.  I don't happen to know why it is, though it wouldn't be GNome exactly as Xubuntu (Xfce) and Lubuntu (LXDE) also use it, could just generally work better with those desktops though.
[04:23] <jthompson87> I know that GNOME integration is not important for L/Xubuntu users, and that is why I think changing to using wicd by default might be a good idea, as it does not have any GNOME dependencies.
[04:26] <zydingxiaomei> please ,where is lubuntu's internet cahce directory.
[04:33] <jthompson87> zydingxiaomei, you mean the cache for chromium?
[04:35] <zydingxiaomei> jthopson87:firefox and system cache
[04:36] <bioterror> ~/.config/chromium/Default/
[04:36] <zydingxiaomei> like /temp for windows
[04:36] <zydingxiaomei> thanks
[04:37] <Apocalyptikz> That's the Chromium browser cache.
[04:37] <jthompson87> working on it
[04:37] <zydingxiaomei> yes but i want to know firefox and system cache ;-)
[04:38] <jthompson87> type about:cache in the address bar.
[04:38] <Apocalyptikz> Eh, try /var/cache
[04:38] <zydingxiaomei> oh,2k
[04:38] <zydingxiaomei> thanks ,finded
[04:38] <Apocalyptikz> You have both system and firefox caches?
[04:40] <zydingxiaomei> i have intalled lubuntu yesterday
[04:40] <jthompson87> How do you like it?
[04:40] <zydingxiaomei> try
[04:42] <zydingxiaomei> i want o  learn the C language
[04:42] <zydingxiaomei> in linux
[04:43] <zydingxiaomei> best a small linux system,:-D
[04:44] <zydingxiaomei> my english is not good.
[04:44] <jthompson87> That's OK, I can still understand.
[04:45] <jthompson87> Good luck to you.  I would also like to learn C eventually.
[04:47] <zydingxiaomei> together ,but you need help me ,because i learn this a soon
[04:49] <zydingxiaomei> can you tell me your email,and i can ask you ,about the C language.
[05:08] <zydingxiaomei> :-X
[06:37] <mi3> I am using ubuntu, is there a way to remove unity completely and install lxde, and still receive LTS ?
[06:38] <mi3> any suggestions for that ? :D
[06:38] <bioterror> you receive lts as core
[06:38] <bioterror> but not for the LXDE components
[06:38] <mi3> core means ?
[06:38] <bioterror> kernel and other stuff
[06:38] <mi3> other stuff like what ?
[06:38] <bioterror> like some libs
[06:38] <mi3> even for unity ?>
[06:39] <mi3> bioterror, even for unity ?
[06:39] <mi3> :D
[06:39] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Support
[06:40] <Unit193> Open a terminal, and type  apt-cache show unity |grep Supported
[06:41] <mi3> it shows 5y
[06:41] <mi3> means 5 years
[06:42] <mi3> umm ok, got it....
[06:42] <mi3> thank you :D
[06:42] <bioterror> !purelxde | mi3
[06:42] <bioterror> mi3, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[06:44] <mi3> ok, so 1st I install lubuntu desktop, login from there and then run the commands ?? :D
[06:44] <bioterror> yeah
[06:44] <bioterror> !cookie | mi3
[06:44] <mi3> will sudo apt-get install lxde work fine or I need to use lubuntu-desktop ? :D
[06:45] <bioterror> I would go with the lubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <mi3> !cookie | bioterror
[06:45] <mi3> YAYY
[06:45] <mi3> ok
[06:45] <mi3> I will do that !
[06:45] <mi3> but, it still is an LTS release, right ?
[06:45] <mi3> :D
[06:45] <mi3> after doing all the stuff ?
[06:45] <bioterror> kernel and glibc and other things are LTS :D
[06:46] <bioterror> but not the LXDE components
[06:46] <bioterror> :D
[06:46] <mi3> ok, sir
[06:46] <mi3> I will install lubuntu right away!!
[06:46] <mi3> I mean lxde
[06:46] <mi3> hehe
[06:48] <mi3> sir, can you explain why do we have so many packages to be install while doing sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, and so less packages while doing sudo apt-get install lxde ? :D
[06:48] <mi3> *installed
[06:48] <bioterror> just plain LXDE is not enough
[06:48] <mi3> then ?
[06:50] <mi3> ??
[06:51] <mi3> err bioterror ?
[06:52] <bioterror> for you and for us, it's easier for you to download all the needed dependencies for a complete desktop experience than just lxde
[06:52] <mi3> ok..got it, installing !!
[07:38] <Apocalyptikz> so lubuntu wants me to install these drivers for my graphics card but whenever i install them my entire os messes up :(
[07:38] <bioterror> !error
[07:49] <Apocalyptikz> Does lubuntu have issues with ati cards?
[08:11] <mi3> HI!!
[08:11] <mi3> I INSTALLED LUBUNTU! AND ITS AWESOME!
[08:11] <mi3> AND FAST!
[08:12] <mi3> AND GREAT!
[08:12] <mi3> !cookies | bioterror
[08:12] <mi3> !cookies | Unit193
[08:12] <mi3> is anyone there ?
[08:13] <Unit193> Please don't do that.
[08:13] <mi3> do what ?
[08:13] <mi3> compliment ?
[08:13] <mi3> :(
[08:13] <mi3> I just wanted to say that its AWESOME, thats all
[08:13] <bioterror> Unit193 has a celiac
[08:14] <mi3> hi bioterror!
[09:18] <mi3> hello!
[09:18] <mi3> how can I add an sh file to startup ?
[09:29] <ikonia> is firefox part of the lubuntu defualt install ?
[09:38] <Unit193> ikonia: No.
[09:41] <ikonia> perfec, that makes sense, thanks
[09:43] <Unit193> xxxterm would be a possibility, but it's a bit advanced for some users so Chromium-browser is still default.
[09:43] <mi3> HI!
[09:43] <mi3> I LUBUNTU IS AWESOME!!
[09:44] <mi3> err sorry
[09:44] <mi3> let me correct
[09:44] <mi3> LUBUNTU IS AWESOME
[09:44] <mi3> I LOVE IT!
[09:44] <mi3> xD
[09:45] <Unit193> That's great, but did you have a support question? This is the support channel.
[09:46] <Apocalyptikz> I don't know what controls the speed of my fan but it only spins up at 70C. Is there a way I can change that?
[09:47] <Unit193> There's the fan-control package, and sensors, not for sure that'd be what you're looking for.
[09:49] <Apocalyptikz> How do I change the sensors settings?
[09:49] <Unit193> !sensors
[09:50] <Apocalyptikz> I've read that already.
[09:50] <Apocalyptikz> That doesn't help me change my settings - they appear to be elsewhere than that page suggests.
[09:53] <Unit193> Should be in the same package.
[09:53] <Unit193> ?!info fancontrol
[09:53] <Unit193> !info fancontrol
[09:56] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/63588/how-do-i-get-fan-control-working   http://ubuntunewb.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-control-fan-speed-on-ubuntu.html    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man8/pwmconfig.8.html   I need to sleep, it's very late/early/somewhere in the middle.
[10:03] <mi3> Apocalyptikz, you can control the fan speed, by installing the fancontrol package :D
[11:22] <fasos> buongiono a tutto il canale
[11:23] <fasos> ho installato Kmymoney ma in esecuzione la finestra non si adatta al monitor bensì sfora anche quando massimizzo
[11:23] <fasos> forse devo caricare il desktop in kde?
[11:26] <manitou> hi ! im press to magnet file open with browser ! how i can change to open with torrent ! i didnt get open with in drop menu !?
[11:26] <bioterror> oh yeah, xdg and magnet links
[11:27] <manitou> should i look in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[12:04] <manitou> no help with this ?
[12:44] <AmberJ> Anyone else had problems in installing virtualbox guest additions on Lubuntu 12.04 (64bit)?
[12:44] <AmberJ> Host is Lubuntu 11.10 (32 bit). Guest is Lubuntu 12.04 (64 bit)
[12:48] <Sentynel> AmberJ: I've got a lubuntu 12.04 guest with the guest additions working fine; how are you installing them?
[12:49] <AmberJ> I use [Devices]->[Install GA] in vbox to mount GA.iso in vm.
[12:49] <Sentynel> it's easier to use the packaged version
[12:50] <AmberJ> Then I change to directory when ISO is mounted. And, then I do: 'sudo ./autorun.sh'  ... I get this:
[12:51] <AmberJ> "Linux GA installer not found. -- try to install the manually"
[12:52] <AmberJ> When I try to run manually (as root), the installer exits fine and recommends me to reboot/restartX. But when I reboot, GA are not installed
[12:52] <Sentynel> if you do sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 you should be okay
[12:52] <AmberJ> Ah, let me try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Install_Virtualbox_Guest_Additions_onto_a_Lubuntu_Virtual_Machine
[12:54] <Sentynel> it's easier and more reliable to install the packaged versions imo, 'cos that (should) pull in dkms as well, which'll rebuild the modules automatically if necessary
[12:58] <AmberJ> Well, someone mentioned on #vbox (few months ago) that with virtualbox adopting faster release cycle, GA in ubuntu/debian repos are usually outdated.
[12:58] <AmberJ> Nevermind. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Install_Virtualbox_Guest_Additions_onto_a_Lubuntu_Virtual_Machine got my GA working
[12:58] <AmberJ> Thanks Sentynel :)
[12:59] <Sentynel> well, sure, but that goes for any software (including, presumably, the host machine's virtualbox); we still use the package manager for most of it
[12:59] <AmberJ> I didn't do 'apt-get install make gcc' earlier due to which lead to it skipping building the modules
[12:59] <Sentynel> I think they have their own .deb repo anyway if you do want quicker updates
[13:00] <AmberJ> oh yes... sorry I forget to mention that I'm using Oracle's version of vbox (NOT virtualbox-ose from repos)
[13:02] <Sentynel> the virtual-ose packages are transitional to virtualbox in 12.04.. I don't know what changed
[13:04] <Sentynel> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads ah yeah, they list their repos here if you do want to set that up to keep things up to date
[14:00] <mi3> hello!
[14:01] <mi3> which gtk version does lubuntu use ?
[14:18] <holstein> !info gtk
[14:19] <holstein> mi3: it'll be the same as normal ubuntu
[14:20] <mi3> ok, thanks holstein :D
[14:21] <mi3> holstein, I download a new theme, but I cant apply it
[14:21] <mi3> any suggestions ?
[14:22] <holstein> id try some other themes.. depending on where you got them from, it could be the theme that is in error
[14:22] <holstein> i personally dont spend a lot of time "pretty-fying" LXDE
[14:22] <mi3> I went to preference>customize look and feel and then windows border, before doing that, I moved the theme to /usr/share/themes, but it should have appeared in the app, its not there
[14:22] <holstein> in the past with gnome2, i found some themes didnt work
[14:23] <holstein> mi3: do you have lxapperance?
[14:23] <mi3> yes
[14:23] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXAppearance
[14:24] <holstein> not sure.. my suggestion is, dont assume its an LXDE/lubuntu issue just yet
[14:26] <mi3> I also changed the preferred browser to firefox, but it still opens chrome, even if I click on the IRC URL
[14:26] <holstein> i did get aroun that before, though i forget how.. i think i did it in the terminal
[14:27] <holstein> mi3: LXDE is light.. by definition, i feel you trade certain things for speed
[14:27] <mi3> things like ?
[14:27] <holstein> not that you cant get it working exactly as you want, it might just take a while
[14:27] <holstein> mi3: you name it
[14:27] <mi3> firefox ?
[14:27] <holstein> themes.. clicking on something and having it open in an application
[14:28] <mi3> hmm
[14:28] <holstein> i use openbox, and i dont "expect" those things from openbox
[14:28] <holstein> BUT, you can get all of these issues working... its not an issue where there is a bug necessarily
[14:28] <mi3> err ok, I understand that :D
[14:31] <holstein> mi3: this is what i used sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[14:31] <holstein> this would have been in 10.04, so your milage may vary
[14:32] <mi3> SHIT YES! IT WORKED!
[14:32] <mi3> :D
[14:32] <mi3> I opened the link you gave me earlier, and it opened directly in firefox !!
[14:33] <holstein> cool.. that should set it "system-wide"
[14:33] <mi3> HHAHAHAHA COOL!!
[14:36] <mi3> holstein, I think lxde uses gtk 3, instead of 2 and the theme I downloaded is gtk2 based
[14:37] <holstein> mi3: right... it'll be the same as main ubuntu
[14:37] <mi3> I see....
[14:37] <mi3> which lubuntu version do you use, holstein ??
[14:38] <holstein> mi3: AFAIK, gtk2 *cant* be in with main ubuntu for some reason... otherwise, gnome2 would be available
[14:38] <holstein> mi3: i would use 12.04..
[14:38] <mi3> me too!
[14:38] <mi3> so, have you tried gtk 3 themes ? do they work ?
[14:40] <holstein> mi3: i dont theme LXDE
[14:40] <mi3> err ok
[14:40] <holstein> i go in to LXDE expecting a sort of "stock lightness"
[14:40] <mi3> hahahaha
[14:40] <mi3> good
[14:41] <mi3> ok, I downloaded this gtk3 theme, will test drive it and tell you :D
[14:43] <mi3> looks like lxde uses .obt formats for installing themes!
[16:14] <toscho> hi
[16:14] <toscho> i deleted ~/Desktop and now my desktop is filled with my home directory
[16:15] <toscho> can I safely delete these links or will it delete my home directory?
[16:16] <holstein> toscho: i would say, you can safely move them, and test, and move them back or delete
[16:18] <toscho> ah found the issue on ubuntuforums: edit config file defining the desktop directory
[16:18] <toscho> will try that instead first
[16:21] <toscho> editing .config/user-dirs.dirs worked
[16:22] <toscho> I also changed the other directories and now logging in is remarkably faster
[17:40] <ilija> i cannot change my cursor theme in lubuntu 12.04 i put theme folder in /usr/share/icons i rename it to "default" but it didnot work. i tried to put in /home/username/.icons but still donnot work. Where is problem
[17:41] <wxl> ilija: need to logout and back in if you haven't already
[17:42] <ilija> yes i do it that, i restartd my PC after that
[17:43] <ilija> i know change cursor theme in 11.10 but it donnot work in 12.04
[17:43] <wxl> not sure this is relevant but there doesn't seem to be a "default" listed in the customize look and feel app
[17:43] <wxl> but there's a way to install through that app
[17:43] <wxl> have you already tried that?
[17:44] <wxl> that's lxappareance
[17:45] <ilija> yes i tried thourhg app
[17:45] <ilija> but it crash
[17:45] <twenzen> Hi
[17:46] <twenzen> There a proxy client in lubuntu ?
[17:46] <twenzen> are*
[17:47] <wxl> well that's strange, ilija. have you tried some other theme? i wonder if it's not just that one theme
[17:49] <ilija> i will now try some other theme
[17:49] <ilija> i will be back in minut to say repert
[17:50] <wxl> twenzen: for the browser?
[17:50] <wxl> all http?
[17:50] <wxl> all tcp?
[17:51] <twenzen> On my Mac i have normal configuration and a tor onfiguration
[17:52] <twenzen> I can switch but in linux i don't know its possible
[17:53] <wxl> proxydriver maybe
[17:54] <wxl> Unit193: you know of any good lightweight proxy client?
[17:55] <wxl> my guess is wicd handles proxies better than nm but i could be wrong
[17:55] <twenzen> I'm sorry if you understand my english i'm french
[17:55] <twenzen> don't*
[17:55] <wxl> i don't think i'm having any problems, twenzen ;)
[17:56] <wxl> i'm just at a loss :(
[17:57] <wxl> it's pretty easy just for the web browser though
[17:57] <twenzen> tomorrow a friends give a old laptop and  i want to install lubuntu
[17:57] <twenzen> And i don't the configuration of this laptop :p
[17:58] <twenzen> know*
[18:01] <twenzen> You hate google who spy your private life when you search something ?
[18:03] <theshadow> I can't seem to get sound to work from flash, any ideas?
[18:03] <holstein> theshadow: try chrome
[18:04] <theshadow> yea I installed google chrome from their .deb
[18:04] <holstein> AFAIK, thats the newest version of flash for linux... are you sure sound is working?
[18:05] <theshadow> I watched a video on installed arandr to get extended desktop working..
[18:05] <holstein> theshadow: cool.. is sound working?
[18:06] <theshadow> Sorry, I thought it was implied. Yes there was audio.
[18:07] <holstein> i would just try restarting alsa.. or consider using pulse and/or pavucontrol
[18:07] <holstein> or, just check for upgrades, and reboot
[18:07] <holstein> if sound is working, i can assure you that sound is working with chrome here in flash... maybe alsa has crashed for some reason?
[18:08] <theshadow> ok
[18:18] <ilija> hy me again i tried some other cursor theme but same thing it donot work. i discover some interesant thin example if i come with cursor on edge of window or text box or link in browser my theme apears
[19:05] <theshadow> figured it out FYI, it was outputing the audio to the HDMI port... which was connected to my monitor. I fixed that and now everything works.
[19:06] <Unit193> Cool, did you have to get pulse for the HDMI?
[19:07] <bioterror> Unit193, that's cheating!
[19:56] <veebull> how minimal of a system (in terms of processor power) should be workable with Lubuntu?
[19:56] <holstein> try it live :) ...i would want a p3 or more with 512 ram
[19:57] <Unit193> Well, what do you have?
[19:57] <holstein> yeah... thats a better way to do it :)
[19:57] <veebull> I've got an older mid-tower PC that I wanted to use as a home server, setting down in the basement shop with a gui for occasional log-in and web browsing.
[19:58] <veebull> 2GB RAM, 3 500GB HD... Celeron 2.66GHz
[19:58] <bioterror> :D
[19:58] <Unit193> holstein: But then you'd also get stuck with "what do you plan to do?" ;P
[19:58] <bioterror> that's almost high-end what I've seen on here
[19:58] <Unit193> veebull: That'd be fine then.
[19:58] <veebull> which seems to be gagging on just about anything involving a gui
[19:58] <holstein> veebull: its likely the graphics driver/support
[19:58] <Unit193> Could be the video card rather than the system.
[19:58] <veebull> at least by what I'm seeing in htop... system load over 10 when I try doing things, even logged out to just the DM
[20:00] <veebull> it started as an xfce alternate CD install, but was bogging down too much so I installed lubuntu-desktop using apt-get.
[20:00] <Unit193> Just now on a Celeron 500MHz, with 512ram: Load average: 0.36, 0.24, 0.20
[20:00] <Unit193> You could try removing other packages with !purelubuntu
[20:00] <veebull> wanted to be able to run some server stuff in the background, such as ssh-server, squid-deb-proxy, LAMP, maybe owncloud or openvpn
[20:00] <holstein> i would try safe graphics mode.. force the vesa driver
[20:01] <veebull> the gui is running just fine... just system load goes nuts
[20:01] <holstein> veebull: all of that will run great... the issue with the GUI is likely graphics driver related
[20:01] <veebull> right now I'm in the middle of exorcising all the xubuntu stuff using the commands copied from pyschocats.net...
[20:02] <holstein> i wouldnt bother... its likely not that much
[20:03] <veebull> one thing that was just killing it was the update-notifier script that ran any time I ran apt-get update, even when logged out of the gui and running from an ssh login.
[20:03] <veebull> It'd run 6-8 threads, blocking everything else
[20:03] <Unit193> That one is annoying even if it isn't causing problems, I used killall. :(
[20:04] <veebull> !purelubuntu
[20:57] <cheryl_> Hello? :)
[20:57] <cheryl_> Batman, you here??
[20:58] <cheryl_> Unit193, That's you Batman!
[20:58] <Unit193> Well, what be your question?
[21:00] <cheryl_> Oh hi, brains!
[21:01] <cheryl_> I want to run aMSN on Lubuntu....is it possible, it's available for version from Hardy upwards.....nothing specific for Lubuntu, can u shed any light?
[21:02] <bioterror> !amsn
[21:03] <bioterror> cheryl_, I heard it was removed or something
[21:03] <cheryl_> oh no!!
[21:03] <Unit193> It has been removed, it's not secure and is rather bad. :P
[21:03] <Unit193> What's wrong with pidgin?
[21:03] <cheryl_> I'm not mad on pidgin
[21:03] <bioterror> oh
[21:03] <cheryl_> I got used to the sounds of amsn. And I could cam with other amsn users
[21:03] <bioterror> Unit193, they released a new version last friday
[21:04] <Unit193> bioterror: Meh, I don't use it, I don't care enough to remember. :P  (Thanks)
[21:04] <cheryl_> oooh Unit193  you're quite moody tonight! lol
[21:04] <bioterror> he's getting older, haha
[21:04] <cheryl_> Anyone want a cuppa? :D
[21:05] <cheryl_> I'll brb to find somming else to pick your brain about.
[21:06] <Unit193> Pidgin supports audio, but not sure about video as I have no webcam.
[21:07] <cheryl_> it doesn't, well I've not checked lately. :)
[21:08]  * cheryl_ passes hot beverages to all who look awake!
[21:08] <cheryl_> Can't say I've had any issues of late, all working smoothly. :)
[21:08] <cheryl_> So good day to you all :)
[21:17] <mohboy> Hello
[21:17] <veebull> so... any particular reason Lubuntu doesn't have all the same repos as Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[21:18] <veebull> about 4MB worth less d/l'ed during 'apt-get update'
[21:18] <mohboy> Hi, I have an problem with Lubuntu
[21:18] <veebull> no openssh-server, no squid-deb-proxy, no amahi-utils, etc.
[21:19] <mohboy> I have not sound :/
[21:27] <Unit193> veebull: It does, unless you enabled more on Ubuntu or Xubuntu.
[21:27] <Unit193> Copy your sources.list over, and diff /etc/apt/sources.list sources.list.ubuntu
[21:31] <veebull> Unit193, have a base install of Ubuntu 12.04 on my main desktop... clean install of Xubuntu 12.04 on laptop... clean install (as of about a half-hour ago) of Lubuntu 12.04 on my basement 'workstation'
[21:31] <veebull> Ubuntu/Lubuntu = 19+ MB download, Lubuntu 15+ MB
[21:32] <Unit193> And it also depends on when you last checked, but the sources should be the same.
[21:32] <veebull> 'apt-cache search openssh-server' returns nothing on fresh install of Lubuntu, which would indicate that they are not the same
[21:32] <veebull> apt-get install openssh-server tells me 'no installation candidate'
[21:33] <Unit193> And you did do a apt-get update? That's not normal in any way.
[21:33] <veebull> yes
[21:33] <Unit193> Can you pastebin.com the sources.list?
[21:33] <veebull> I'll see what I can do... I'll try to paste one from my laptop (Xubuntu) and one from the workstation (Lubuntu)
[21:34] <veebull> whats the simplest way to diff the two and see what the differences are?
[21:34] <Unit193> Using the diff command.
[21:34] <veebull> yah yah... looking it up now ;)
[21:34] <Unit193> I have upgraded this system, so it isn't Maverick, but here's mine: http://pastebin.com/9CDdBdMa
[21:37] <Unit193> (I had just done a diff, only changed line was the commented out deb cd line.)
[21:55] <veebull> well, here's the link to the diff results... http://pastebin.com/tbds1Zy7
[21:56] <veebull> some are obvious (should have deleted the cdrom lines before starting, and the oracle virtualbox lines) but some are not what I'd expect
[21:57] <veebull> here is a pastebin of the kind of error I'm getting, trying to do something as simple as install vim-gtk (gvim):  http://pastebin.com/BFSxhyK9
[21:57] <Unit193> They are a line off is the basic idea.
[21:59] <veebull> so why the errors?
[21:59] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/76766/how-do-i-overcome-these-package-dependency-problems Take a look here.
[22:04] <veebull> don't think so.  not getting the same errors.  Nothing about 'impossible situation', but that there is 'no installation candidate'
[22:11] <veebull> well nuts.  got all three sources.list files open in gvim, windows split vertically, all comment lines removed...
[22:11] <veebull> literally identical files.
[22:12] <veebull> hard to swallow that the Oracle virtualbox repo is 4MB alone...
[22:12] <veebull> yikes
[22:12] <Unit193> Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:13] <veebull> what am I looking for?
[22:13] <Unit193> Shouldn't be anything in there, but that's where extra repos go.
[22:14] <veebull> okay, main desktop PC has some stuff for Google Earth and up-to-date ppa info for recoll...
[22:14] <veebull> but that doesn't explain why some packages aren't even available for install under Lubuntu?
[22:15] <Unit193> And you saw the apt-get install -f? I don't remember what that one fix is.
[22:16] <veebull> yep... that looks more like its for broken dependencies.  What I'm getting is flat telling me that certain packages don't even exist to install.
[22:17] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[22:17] <Unit193> Yeah, I noticed, I just don't remember that fix, bioterror?
[22:17] <ThePendulum> I installed Lubuntu on a Mac Mini G4. Is there any way I can disable the loud "BONGGG" during boot from within Ubuntu?
[22:18] <ThePendulum> *lubuntu, if it makes a difference at all
[22:18] <wxl> ThePendulum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1701534
[22:19] <Unit193> http://homepage.mac.com/geerlingguy/mac_support/mac_help/pages/0025-startup_sound.html This?
[22:19] <ThePendulum> wxl: Thanks, reading it now
[22:20] <veebull> Unit193, what I'm seeing is pretty well summed up by this post
[22:20] <veebull> http://askubuntu.com/questions/14685/what-does-package-package-has-no-installation-candidate-mean
[22:21] <veebull> but I'm talkin' basic things like gvim or openssh-server, not a specialty item like munin-whatever
[22:22] <ThePendulum> wxl: Fixed it, thanks again!
[22:23] <Unit193> That's only happened to me when I forgot to run update in a VM, and with stuff like that shouldn't fail at all.
[22:23] <Unit193> wxl: You read up yet?
[22:25] <wxl> oh which Unit193
[22:26] <wxl> the startup thingy? cuz that's old hat, pal ;)
[22:26] <wxl> < ThePendulum:#lubuntu> wxl: Fixed it, thanks again!
[22:26] <wxl> :O
[22:26] <Unit193> Yeah, I saw that one. :P
[22:27] <wxl> or do you need help with this no installation candidate business?
[22:28] <Unit193> Haven't seen it.
[22:30] <wxl> veebull's issue
[22:33] <Unit193> I'll restate, I haven't seen it without already fixed methods.  He's using 64bit.
[22:45] <quickrot> can anyone help me with ecryptfs, specifically how I can mount an encrypted home directory when I already have an encrypted home directory (on a bootstick)?