[00:44] <ibeardslee> yeh .. I'll have to put some sunscreen on with the weather
[04:14] <mwhudson> hey
[04:15] <mwhudson> so is there a bug for the generic "iwlwifi doesn't work very well problem" ?
[04:17]  * ajmitch sees quite a few bugs that mention iwlwifi against linux in lp
[04:18] <ajmitch> not sure which of those would be the main bug to follow, if any
[04:18] <mwhudson> i see
[04:18] <mwhudson> of course i was seeing particular problems running the upstream kernel, which is not exactly what most people are doing
[04:19] <mwhudson> which kernel is in quantal currently?
[04:19] <mwhudson> i guess i know how to answer that
[04:20] <ajmitch> rmadison says 3.4.0-3.8
[04:20] <ajmitch> not terribly helpful
[04:20] <mwhudson> 3.4 was only released last week or so so it must be pretty new
[04:36] <ojwb> hmm, seems i missed the announcement that the kernel had joined the chromium vs firefox version number inflation game
[04:38] <ajmitch> ojwb: it's not quite as bad, thankfully
[05:16] <ojwb> hmm, is there an easy way to find out if you have anything installed from a particular apt source?
[05:16]  * ojwb just found multiverse enabled
[05:20] <ajmitch> ojwb: pretty sure you can do that with an aptitude search, maybe aptitude search "?section(multiverse) ?installed"
[05:20] <ojwb> cool, that seems to work (and says nothing)
[05:21]  * ojwb had got as far as: apt-cache policy .|sed '/Installed: [^(]/,/^[^ ]/p;d'|grep multiverse
[05:21] <ojwb> which also says nothing
[05:22] <ajmitch> yeah I find aptitude can be pretty good for searching
[05:23] <mwhudson> fwiw, that aptitude command finds the few things i have installed from multiverse
[05:23] <mwhudson> so it seems to work
[05:23] <mwhudson> (also, figlet is in multiverse!?)
[05:23] <ojwb> yeah, I tried it on universe too
[05:23] <ojwb> mwhudson: licence insanity
[05:23] <mwhudson> i suppose that's to be expected
[05:24]  * mwhudson goes away for a bit
[05:24]  * ajmitch wonders why wine-gecko1.4 is in multiverse
[05:24] <ojwb> though apparently on files which probably contain no creative work
[05:26] <ojwb> ajmitch: "    - Still a multiverse package, requires a build step on windows"
[05:26] <ojwb> says debian/changelog
[19:42] <chilts> morning
[20:07] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:14] <ibeardslee> first day of winter
[20:22] <ibeardslee> hmm looks like redhat are aligning themselves with the crippled PCs
[20:31] <ibeardslee> ok maybe a slight exaggeration .. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html
[20:31] <ibeardslee> Would canonical do down the same path?
[20:45] <thumper> morning
[20:47] <chilts> wow, I never knew all of this was coming
[20:47] <chilts> seems like they just want to move towards Apple's model (and all in the name of security)
[21:01] <ajmitch> morning
[21:02] <ibeardslee> chilts: in the name of market domination disguised as security
[21:26] <mwhudson> morning
[21:53] <thumper> chilts: who is moving towards Apple's model?
[21:54] <ibeardslee> MS, stopping (making it harder for) other people using 'their' hardware
[21:55] <ajmitch> no surprises there - good intentions, bad implementation
[22:30] <chilts> thumper: well, their secure hardware/software things ... I just think it looks like taking control because of control, not because of security :)