ubottuIn ubottu, benonsoftware said: !irccouncil is <reply> The IRC Council is AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com01:11
IdleOneprobably useful but I suspect it would get abused some01:20
IdleOneIf the ircc want a factoid they can add it :P01:20
genii-aroundI think it was intended as a !staff but for -irc01:28
IdleOnenope, ircc have to syn before staff can ack01:31
elkyit's a copy of the lococouncil factoid01:42
Unit193https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto  or   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42737 would be better, or something else for !fan04:39
Unit193Content, not just name.04:40
elkyanything on the forums post that's better than the help.ubuntu one should be merged that way04:40
Unit193!fan |Anything is better than this04:41
ubottuAnything is better than this: fan is Control the fan  on/off  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12058.html04:41
bioterrorthat's not even english :D04:41
elkyok... let me rephrase. use the help.ubuntu.com page. If there's anything extra/better on the ubuntuforums.org page, put the extra/better things on the help.ubuntu.com page04:42
Unit193(I can't edit anyway, so...)04:43
elkyits a wiki...04:45
gnomefreakyou only havev to have a lp account04:45
* gnomefreak going reading. have a good/day04:46
elkygnomefreak, which I'd hope all the ops do since our irc stuff kind of depends on it.04:46
Unit193elky: Can't change the *factoid*, the wiki would be editable. But nevermind.04:53
elkyOh. For that, you can type it out so we just have to copy-paste04:53
topylire: the suggested ircc factoid, i think it's not really needed or particularly useful. esclation of bans and other arguments has its own nice bureaucratic process, nicely documented. otherwise, if someone has an improvement to suggest or a general complaint, they could email the team list or come to a meeting06:31
topylinot an ircc opinion, just me06:32
topylioh too much espresso, hands shaking. oh coffee, why must you be so good06:33
elkySometimes people ask who is on it, or how to contact them, without it being an obvious appeal. Eg, making a suggestion etc that they want to get some feedback on before going to a meeting agenda (or if they can't attend the meeting time). Throwing !appeals at them is somewhat rude/dismissive.06:42
elkyAnd just a wee bit accusatory06:43
elkyMostly we've been throwing out !appeals, but it'd be nicer if we didn't have to.06:43
topylithen again, we could just throw the email address at them instead :)06:43
elkyYeah, but that involves finding a mail to make sure we do the right hyphenation etc06:44
elkyand since we're all geeks, we're lazy bastards.06:44
topyliyep. not everyone has the address memorized06:45
topylis/not everyone/no-one/06:45
elkyI usually have to check if it has ubuntu- at the beginning or not06:45
elkyBecause i can never remember06:45
elkyeven when I was on the darn thing.06:46
elkyI sometimes considered checking if we could have aliases, but that does involve dealing with the overworked sysadmin team and lots of waiting around.06:47
elkyThis is also another reason I wanted there to be a webform  people could go and fill out to make "tickets". The launchpad "contact the team" thing could be plugged into that tracker it if it's not already06:49
topylii don't think it is. instead, there's yet another email address06:51
elkySince your meetings start at like 6am on a weekend my time, do you want to perhaps bring that up?06:52
topylii could do that, yes. would "discuss making launchpad open tickets" be a good formulation for a topic?06:54
topyliwe'd like to use launchpad bugs more thank our own ticket system, but not everything is a bug06:55
AlanBellthe tracker seems appropriate for appeals from individuals06:55
elkymaking it "linking launchpad and rt" would work too. Bugs can be filed by forwarding stuff to launchpad itself.06:56
AlanBellyou mean osticket?06:56
elkyyeah that06:56
elkyAlanBell, this isn't just appeals. sometimes people don't want to go putting stuff out publicly for all the riff-raff to critique until it's a more fully formed idea06:57
topyliAlanBell: absolutely. general communication would open tickets too, but that would be a good thing because we'd be more likely to actually follow up06:57
elkyespecially if they're suspecting you're going to go "lolno". that in public can sting a bit06:58
AlanBellback to the factoid, I have no objection to it existing, but I have "IRCC" on hilight anyhow07:05
topyliadded the lp/osticket link to agenda07:06
topyliwe can't really object to it anyway. ircc membership has to be public as per our charter, and the email address shouldn't be secret either :)07:08
elkyit's just the spam issue really07:09
elkyi think it's why we've avoided it in the past07:09
AlanBellfine, lets add it then, if people want to mark themselves for removal by abusing it then that would be quite handy07:11
elkyno, the web-scraping spambots07:12
elkythe ones that make up 90% of all email traffic07:13
elkynote to self. gluten free pasta in the slowcooker does not work so well.07:14
topylii'm not sure if the address would show up in logs much more often than it does now07:15
elkyit would.07:15
AlanBell!irccouncil is <reply> The IRC Council is AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com07:15
ubottuBut irccouncil already means something else!07:15
ubottuThe Ubuntu IRC Council is the team governance council for the the Ubuntu IRC channels on the freenode network - For serious inquiries please join #ubuntu-irc-council or email irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com - See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil07:15
elkyafter all that discussion07:15
elkymake it friendlier at least07:16
AlanBellyour point, whilst interesting, would appear to be invalid ;)07:16
elkyYeah, the suggested message is at least friendlier, even if plagiarised.07:17
AlanBellsome kind of merging of the two would be good07:17
elkyAim for something that sounds less like a description of SCOTUS07:19
elkyThat's a fairly low bar, that.07:19
topylisomething like "The Ubuntu IRC council are AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat. You can contact them at irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com"07:19
topylijust something simple like that. i don't feel like actively encouraging fan/hatemail without a good reason07:20
elky<ubottu> In ubottu, benonsoftware said: !irccouncil is <reply> The IRC Council is AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com07:21
elkywell, the -irc-council channel is worth keeping too07:21
topylioh yes07:21
elkysince it's relevant to interests etc07:21
elky^also just pasting so i don't have to keep scrolling up to remember what it said07:22
topyli!ircc is <alias> irccouncil07:25
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, topyli said: !ircc is <alias> irccouncil07:25
topylipeople will often try that anyway07:25
elky!irc-council is <alias> irccouncil07:26
ubottuI'll remember that, elky07:26
elkythat too07:26
topylialso, ubottu fails to respect my authority! :(07:26
ubottuThe operation succeeded.07:27
elkyrespect mah authoritah!07:27
topyli!ircc is <alias> !irccouncil07:27
ubottuBut ircc already means something else!07:27
ubottuThe Ubuntu IRC Council is the team governance council for the the Ubuntu IRC channels on the freenode network - For serious inquiries please join #ubuntu-irc-council or email irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com - See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil07:27
elkyalready aliased07:27
elkyer... also you didn't need the second !07:28
topyliyeah :(07:28
topylithat makes my authority not worthy of ubottu's respect anyway :)07:29
AlanBellcongratulations to Fuchs who is now an Ubuntu Member :)07:31
bioterrorthere goes his social life07:32
C-4Hi, I have just been kicked by the op of #ubuntu-bd because I told him that the +O he has assigned to him there is not appropriate for a public channel. How can we solve this?08:15
Unit193As #ubuntu-bd is a non-core channel, best bet would be in #ubuntu-irc08:16
C-4Thank you.08:16
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16))10:02
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1766 users, 5 overflows, 1771 limit))14:49
Picilooks fine to me14:49
bazhangis stalker_'s command dangerous?15:40
Flannelbazhang: No: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=4521315:44
bazhangFlannel, ok thanks15:44
Flannelbut it's certainly not on topic :)15:44
mrmistsee #fn regarding that.  looks like this chap has some sneaky injections into that original camel.16:02
bazhangheads up on truepurple16:23
ikoniaI'm aware of his past, hence why I'm trying to give him solid/clear advice16:24
bazhangdoes not give straight answers, and gets very huffy if you question him in any fashion16:24
ikoniawell aware of him, trying to be super clear16:24
cody-somervillemy ari-tczew 'alarm' just went off in #ubuntu-devel16:45
cody-somervilleI'll let you guys decide how you want to deal with it.16:45
ikoniacody-somerville: is there an issue with him ?16:45
cody-somervilleHe is banned from the Ubuntu community by the Community Council for disruptive conduct.16:46
ikoniaooh really,16:46
ikoniadoes that include IRC too ?16:46
ikonia(I'm guessing we missed the memo)16:46
ikoniasilly question, but does he know ?16:47
ikoniahas anyone told him ?16:47
ikoniaI'll ask, it may be genuine mistake16:48
cody-somervilleikonia, Yes. He's also requested for the ban to be lifted recently and was told no because he continued to violate it by trying to participate on IRC.16:48
cody-somervilleHe also replied to the e-mail I linked to.16:48
ikoniacody-somerville: thanks16:48
ikoniaI'll see what he says, and I guess refer it to the council as I can't see anyone with +o active at the moment16:49
cody-somervilleThanks. Cheers16:50
MyrttiI'm alive-ish16:50
Myrttiif you can't get a hold of IRCC or named ops16:50
ikoniaMyrtti: thanks, giving him change to respond so if you could be around, that would be helpful16:50
Myrttialthough, I just took the pie from the oven and might go enjoy the fruits of my labour16:51
ikoniasurly it needs to cool for a few minutes and you can spare me those few minutes ?16:52
Myrttijust ~= timeframe after taking the pie from the oven, plating it with salad with French peppery salami in it, informing the SO that the food is done and asking when his conference call ends and sitting down to IRC for a moment to wait for the said phonecall to end16:53
ikoniaok, so I'm on borrowed time16:54
Myrttisteak and ale pie, since I know some of you are interested.16:54
ikoniathis guys not responded yet16:54
MyrttiI'm sure someone else will be around16:54
Myrttiif not, I've got my phone next to me16:54
ikoniawell, I've never phoned for help before......16:55
Myrttihehe, I just have irssi notifier app on my phone which alerts for hilights16:55
Myrttiand irssi connectbot16:55
mneptokthis person found a new home - http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/09/index.en.html16:56
tonyyarussopostfixadmin is a new package?17:00
tonyyarussohuh, so it is.17:01
mneptoki wonder if you install "sendmailadmin" the package you get is a pre-tied noose in the mail.17:03
Piciari-tczew removed and banned.17:08
MyrttiPici: thanks17:12
nixternaljeesh, i remember dealing with ari like 4 years ago with the DMB & MOTU Council. and just last year they removed him totally? talk about fast :p17:24
PiciI thought it was way before then as well.17:27
nixternalirclogs show 2008 with him going for MOTU and being an issue and getting banned the first time17:32
bazhang* [wawowe] (~wawowe@cpe-098-026-101-114.nc.res.rr.com): wawowe19:14
PiciI will ban him if he continues.19:14
bazhangbut dpkg can fix everything     uh what?19:20

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