[01:11] <genii-around> Hm
[01:20] <IdleOne> probably useful but I suspect it would get abused some
[01:20] <IdleOne> If the ircc want a factoid they can add it :P
[01:28] <genii-around> I think it was intended as a !staff but for -irc
[01:31] <IdleOne> nope, ircc have to syn before staff can ack
[01:42] <elky> it's a copy of the lococouncil factoid
[04:39] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto  or   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42737 would be better, or something else for !fan
[04:40] <elky> help.ubuntu
[04:40] <Unit193> Content, not just name.
[04:40] <elky> anything on the forums post that's better than the help.ubuntu one should be merged that way
[04:41] <Unit193> !fan |Anything is better than this
[04:41] <bioterror> :D
[04:41] <bioterror> that's not even english :D
[04:42] <elky> ok... let me rephrase. use the help.ubuntu.com page. If there's anything extra/better on the ubuntuforums.org page, put the extra/better things on the help.ubuntu.com page
[04:43] <Unit193> (I can't edit anyway, so...)
[04:45] <elky> its a wiki...
[04:45] <gnomefreak> you only havev to have a lp account
[04:46] <gnomefreak> s/havev/have
[04:46]  * gnomefreak going reading. have a good/day
[04:46] <elky> gnomefreak, which I'd hope all the ops do since our irc stuff kind of depends on it.
[04:52] <Tm_T> morning
[04:53] <Unit193> elky: Can't change the *factoid*, the wiki would be editable. But nevermind.
[04:53] <elky> Oh. For that, you can type it out so we just have to copy-paste
[06:31] <topyli> re: the suggested ircc factoid, i think it's not really needed or particularly useful. esclation of bans and other arguments has its own nice bureaucratic process, nicely documented. otherwise, if someone has an improvement to suggest or a general complaint, they could email the team list or come to a meeting
[06:32] <topyli> not an ircc opinion, just me
[06:33] <topyli> oh too much espresso, hands shaking. oh coffee, why must you be so good
[06:42] <elky> Sometimes people ask who is on it, or how to contact them, without it being an obvious appeal. Eg, making a suggestion etc that they want to get some feedback on before going to a meeting agenda (or if they can't attend the meeting time). Throwing !appeals at them is somewhat rude/dismissive.
[06:43] <topyli> true
[06:43] <elky> And just a wee bit accusatory
[06:43] <elky> Mostly we've been throwing out !appeals, but it'd be nicer if we didn't have to.
[06:43] <topyli> then again, we could just throw the email address at them instead :)
[06:44] <elky> Yeah, but that involves finding a mail to make sure we do the right hyphenation etc
[06:44] <elky> and since we're all geeks, we're lazy bastards.
[06:45] <topyli> yep. not everyone has the address memorized
[06:45] <topyli> s/not everyone/no-one/
[06:45] <elky> I usually have to check if it has ubuntu- at the beginning or not
[06:45] <elky> Because i can never remember
[06:46] <elky> even when I was on the darn thing.
[06:47] <elky> I sometimes considered checking if we could have aliases, but that does involve dealing with the overworked sysadmin team and lots of waiting around.
[06:49] <elky> This is also another reason I wanted there to be a webform  people could go and fill out to make "tickets". The launchpad "contact the team" thing could be plugged into that tracker it if it's not already
[06:51] <topyli> i don't think it is. instead, there's yet another email address
[06:52] <elky> Since your meetings start at like 6am on a weekend my time, do you want to perhaps bring that up?
[06:54] <topyli> i could do that, yes. would "discuss making launchpad open tickets" be a good formulation for a topic?
[06:55] <topyli> we'd like to use launchpad bugs more thank our own ticket system, but not everything is a bug
[06:55] <topyli> s/thank/than/
[06:55] <AlanBell> the tracker seems appropriate for appeals from individuals
[06:56] <elky> making it "linking launchpad and rt" would work too. Bugs can be filed by forwarding stuff to launchpad itself.
[06:56] <AlanBell> you mean osticket?
[06:56] <elky> yeah that
[06:57] <elky> AlanBell, this isn't just appeals. sometimes people don't want to go putting stuff out publicly for all the riff-raff to critique until it's a more fully formed idea
[06:57] <topyli> AlanBell: absolutely. general communication would open tickets too, but that would be a good thing because we'd be more likely to actually follow up
[06:58] <elky> especially if they're suspecting you're going to go "lolno". that in public can sting a bit
[07:05] <AlanBell> back to the factoid, I have no objection to it existing, but I have "IRCC" on hilight anyhow
[07:06] <topyli> added the lp/osticket link to agenda
[07:08] <topyli> we can't really object to it anyway. ircc membership has to be public as per our charter, and the email address shouldn't be secret either :)
[07:09] <elky> it's just the spam issue really
[07:09] <elky> i think it's why we've avoided it in the past
[07:11] <AlanBell> fine, lets add it then, if people want to mark themselves for removal by abusing it then that would be quite handy
[07:11] <topyli> heh
[07:12] <elky> no, the web-scraping spambots
[07:13] <elky> the ones that make up 90% of all email traffic
[07:14] <elky> note to self. gluten free pasta in the slowcooker does not work so well.
[07:15] <topyli> i'm not sure if the address would show up in logs much more often than it does now
[07:15] <elky> it would.
[07:15] <AlanBell> !irccouncil is <reply> The IRC Council is AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:15] <AlanBell> !irccouncil
[07:15] <elky> ahahaha
[07:15] <topyli> oh
[07:15] <elky> after all that discussion
[07:15] <AlanBell> lulz
[07:16] <elky> make it friendlier at least
[07:16] <AlanBell> your point, whilst interesting, would appear to be invalid ;)
[07:17] <elky> Yeah, the suggested message is at least friendlier, even if plagiarised.
[07:17] <AlanBell> some kind of merging of the two would be good
[07:19] <elky> Aim for something that sounds less like a description of SCOTUS
[07:19] <elky> That's a fairly low bar, that.
[07:19] <topyli> something like "The Ubuntu IRC council are AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat. You can contact them at irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com"
[07:20] <topyli> just something simple like that. i don't feel like actively encouraging fan/hatemail without a good reason
 In ubottu, benonsoftware said: !irccouncil is <reply> The IRC Council is AlanBell, Pici, topyli and funkyHat - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:21] <elky> well, the -irc-council channel is worth keeping too
[07:21] <topyli> oh yes
[07:21] <elky> since it's relevant to interests etc
[07:22] <elky> ^also just pasting so i don't have to keep scrolling up to remember what it said
[07:25] <topyli> !ircc is <alias> irccouncil
[07:25] <topyli> people will often try that anyway
[07:26] <elky> !irc-council is <alias> irccouncil
[07:26] <elky> that too
[07:26] <topyli> yes
[07:26] <topyli> also, ubottu fails to respect my authority! :(
[07:27] <topyli> @login
[07:27] <elky> respect mah authoritah!
[07:27] <topyli> !ircc is <alias> !irccouncil
[07:27] <topyli> !ircc
[07:27] <elky> !ircc
[07:27] <topyli> :)
[07:27] <elky> already aliased
[07:28] <elky> er... also you didn't need the second !
[07:28] <topyli> yeah :(
[07:29] <topyli> that makes my authority not worthy of ubottu's respect anyway :)
[07:31] <AlanBell> congratulations to Fuchs who is now an Ubuntu Member :)
[07:32] <bioterror> there goes his social life
[07:32] <bioterror> ;)
[07:36] <elky> o.O
[08:15] <C-4> Hi, I have just been kicked by the op of #ubuntu-bd because I told him that the +O he has assigned to him there is not appropriate for a public channel. How can we solve this?
[08:16] <Unit193> As #ubuntu-bd is a non-core channel, best bet would be in #ubuntu-irc
[08:16] <C-4> Thank you.
[14:49] <Pici> looks fine to me
[15:40] <bazhang> is stalker_'s command dangerous?
[15:44] <Flannel> bazhang: No: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=45213
[15:44] <bazhang> Flannel, ok thanks
[15:44] <Flannel> but it's certainly not on topic :)
[15:44] <bazhang> hehe
[16:02] <mrmist> see #fn regarding that.  looks like this chap has some sneaky injections into that original camel.
[16:23] <bazhang> heads up on truepurple
[16:24] <ikonia> I'm aware of his past, hence why I'm trying to give him solid/clear advice
[16:24] <bazhang> does not give straight answers, and gets very huffy if you question him in any fashion
[16:24] <ikonia> well aware of him, trying to be super clear
[16:45] <cody-somerville> my ari-tczew 'alarm' just went off in #ubuntu-devel
[16:45] <cody-somerville> I'll let you guys decide how you want to deal with it.
[16:45] <ikonia> cody-somerville: is there an issue with him ?
[16:46] <cody-somerville> He is banned from the Ubuntu community by the Community Council for disruptive conduct.
[16:46] <ikonia> ooh really,
[16:46] <ikonia> does that include IRC too ?
[16:46] <ikonia> (I'm guessing we missed the memo)
[16:47] <cody-somerville> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032874.html
[16:47] <ikonia> silly question, but does he know ?
[16:47] <ikonia> has anyone told him ?
[16:48] <ikonia> I'll ask, it may be genuine mistake
[16:48] <cody-somerville> ikonia, Yes. He's also requested for the ban to be lifted recently and was told no because he continued to violate it by trying to participate on IRC.
[16:48] <cody-somerville> He also replied to the e-mail I linked to.
[16:48] <ikonia> cody-somerville: thanks
[16:49] <ikonia> I'll see what he says, and I guess refer it to the council as I can't see anyone with +o active at the moment
[16:50] <cody-somerville> Thanks. Cheers
[16:50] <Myrtti> I'm alive-ish
[16:50] <Myrtti> if you can't get a hold of IRCC or named ops
[16:50] <bazhang> hehe
[16:50] <ikonia> Myrtti: thanks, giving him change to respond so if you could be around, that would be helpful
[16:51] <Myrtti> although, I just took the pie from the oven and might go enjoy the fruits of my labour
[16:52] <ikonia> surly it needs to cool for a few minutes and you can spare me those few minutes ?
[16:53] <Myrtti> just ~= timeframe after taking the pie from the oven, plating it with salad with French peppery salami in it, informing the SO that the food is done and asking when his conference call ends and sitting down to IRC for a moment to wait for the said phonecall to end
[16:54] <ikonia> ok, so I'm on borrowed time
[16:54] <Myrtti> steak and ale pie, since I know some of you are interested.
[16:54] <ikonia> this guys not responded yet
[16:54] <Myrtti> I'm sure someone else will be around
[16:54] <Myrtti> if not, I've got my phone next to me
[16:55] <ikonia> well, I've never phoned for help before......
[16:55] <Myrtti> hehe, I just have irssi notifier app on my phone which alerts for hilights
[16:55] <Myrtti> and irssi connectbot
[16:56] <mneptok> this person found a new home - http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/09/index.en.html
[17:00] <tonyyarusso> postfixadmin is a new package?
[17:01] <tonyyarusso> huh, so it is.
[17:03] <mneptok> i wonder if you install "sendmailadmin" the package you get is a pre-tied noose in the mail.
[17:08] <Pici> ari-tczew removed and banned.
[17:12] <Myrtti> Pici: thanks
[17:24] <nixternal> jeesh, i remember dealing with ari like 4 years ago with the DMB & MOTU Council. and just last year they removed him totally? talk about fast :p
[17:27] <Pici> I thought it was way before then as well.
[17:32] <nixternal> irclogs show 2008 with him going for MOTU and being an issue and getting banned the first time
[19:14] <bazhang> * [wawowe] (~wawowe@cpe-098-026-101-114.nc.res.rr.com): wawowe
[19:14] <bazhang> Augh
[19:14] <Pici> I will ban him if he continues.
[19:20] <bazhang> but dpkg can fix everything     uh what?