=== zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [07:06] * Knightwise is back [07:08] hey Bollinger [07:08] how are you today [07:31] Morning all [07:33] diplo: Hi === Twinkletoes_ is now known as Twinkletoes [07:38] Hmmm [07:38] This can't be right [07:39] Compressing 375mb of data into a zip file gives me an output size of 37.9 MB [07:42] Seems to be, weird [07:42] kvarley: if the data is just text, yeah, you can see that [07:43] I often see 98% compression on log files [07:44] kirrus: It's an img file. But to be fair I think there is a considerable amount of space left on the partitions [07:46] Ah yeah over 100mb of free space [07:47] I started out trying to make the image as small as possible but I ended up realising that if anybody installed 1 program it could fill their partitions up [07:54] morning [08:03] kvarley: the debian and fedora images on first boot will resize up the root filesystem and then reboot into it [08:03] BOO! [08:04] boo indeed [08:04] hey popey [08:04] great podcast this week [08:04] good item about uds and stuff [08:09] rule number 1 of anything: letting agencies should be shot [08:10] hey daubers how are you [08:11] Knightwise: On a murderous rampage [08:11] How're you? [08:11] daubers: I'd agree with that sometimes [08:11] daubers: what've they done to you? [08:11] kirrus: We had no water last night at all, and still don't. They couldn't call out a plumber because the company they pay to do that hasn't been paid, so wouldn't [08:12] daubers: thought you bought a place? [08:12] all because the builders they've got working in the flat downstairs and are idiots [08:12] mattt: Move on saturday (thank god) [08:12] daubers: i'll be wearing my bullet proof vest [08:12] daubers: ah damn, bad timing :( [08:12] Knightwise: please tell me you don't drive a little green mini [08:19] mattt: me ? no ! :) I drive a black focus with a giant autobot logo on the rear window [08:19] :P [08:19] Knightwise: got thrown by your 'i'll be wearing a bullet proof vest' comment :D [08:20] i just said that cuz daubers is on the edge of turning into michael douglads in "falling down" [08:21] memo to self: if not heard anything in next 50 minutes, ring them back _again_ === matt___ is now known as daubers [08:30] Morning all! :) [08:33] morning JamesTait [08:34] There appears to be something wet falling from the sky. :-/ [08:34] hmm.. installed PPC Lubuntu on my G4 imac [08:35] its pretty ok , but I do think i might go and give PPC debian a try to [08:35] its supposed to be lighter then ubuntu ? [08:39] Touring time! Toodles :) [08:39] * daubers puts the coffee on === JDT is now known as JDT_ === jt is now known as JDT === JDT is now known as Lexer [08:47] popey: Really? Last time I used the debian image I had to manually resize them myself. The Fedora image did resize correctly though =] [08:47] pretty sure it did, i used it recently [08:47] * Knightwise gets TEA, earl grey , HOT from the replicator [08:48] popey: Hmm, will have to try it again. [08:54] ARGHHHHHH [08:54] Do people not understand that lying through their teeth just makes people more angry [08:54] And trying to blame other people who are obviously not at fault is just pathetic! [08:54] NEVER EVER RENT [08:56] haha [08:56] yes, never ever rent [08:57] * mattt looks crazily at daubers === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:57] Also, Romans in Reading are an absolute bunch of idiots who couldn't be trusted to find their own hands [08:58] s/Romans/estate agents/ [08:58] s/Reading/any town/ [08:58] yeah, they're dodgy :( [08:58] rolfe east in ealing, put them on your list too [09:00] "Oh, you having no water is Thames Wateres problem" "Even though the rest of the building has water?" "Uh.... yes?" [09:01] idiots [09:11] good morning everyone, === diplo_ is now known as diplo [09:14] hey brobostigon [09:14] hey diplo [09:14] hey Knightwise [09:17] Morning, issues with dns for me this morning :) Seems to have resolved itself though [09:17] How are we all this not so fine morning === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:37] Hello. [09:39] diplo: good, enjoying the cooler weather [09:39] * mattt ducks [09:40] * brobostigon agrees with mattt , but hopes for some sun. === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:41] :/ [09:42] I've been out cycling/walking, done about 70 miles in last 2 weeks === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:42] And from being a couch potato for the last 6 months that is quite an achievment, but if the rains start i don't think i've got oomph to get out there in it :D === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:46] diplo: true, i've done a bit of walking myself these past few weeks [09:48] you can get a great view from walbury hill if it's a clear day [09:50] And dragon is released, see if it burns up on re-entry now [09:55] diplo: oo.. gotta link? [09:55] http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/us-usa-spaceship-idUKBRE84H0XM20120531 :) [09:57] http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html [09:58] Sorry was working :( - Unusual for me [09:59] Morning all [10:00] Hello davmor2 === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [10:09] morning s-fox [10:09] czajkowski: prod [10:14] davmor2: god day to you [10:52] has anyone gotten the eurostar to disneyland paris ? [10:54] czajkowski: I've done Eurostar to London from Brussels [10:54] czajkowski: and I know people who've don Thalys from Amsterdam to Disneyland [10:54] czajkowski: anything specific you want to know? [10:56] found it eventually via google [10:56] how far away from the hotel I'm going to to the train staion [10:56] czajkowski: my wife has i believe, can ask her if you have questions [10:57] she stayed in some chalet type things just outside of disneyland (world?) [10:57] we're going to the new york disney hotel [10:57] should be a bit of fun, for my sisters 30th [10:57] czajkowski: just remember, whatever happens in disneyland stays in disneyland [10:58] heh [11:00] Knightwise, i put debian ppc on my imac [11:00] works nice [11:00] didn't realise there was a recent build of lubuntu ppc though [11:37] s-fox: yay congrats [11:39] Thank you MooDoo :) [11:39] mattt: this is czajkowski we are on about she'll publish photographic evidence of everything that goes on at disney she can't help herself :D [11:44] davmor2: roaming :) [11:44] so you're safe [11:45] czajkowski: doesn't mean there won't be photo's you'll auto publish when you get home instead :D [11:46] we'll see [11:51] back [11:52] http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html Matthew Garett's article on secure boot support for Fedora - an interesting problem [11:52] r [11:53] yeah, read that earlier [11:53] suspect ubuntu will have to do the same [11:54] I wonder what % of boards will actually have the option of disabling it [11:54] 100% of intel boards, 0% of ARM boards [11:55] AlanBell: Did it say 100% of intel boards had to have the option - or could have the option? [11:56] it is in the first paragraph of the article :) [11:56] ah yes, it does say required - ok [11:56] I mean after all, you have to be able to boot DOS [11:59] Wonder how ARM and Intel feel about that [11:59] could distort the marketplace somewhat [12:00] anyone seen this? http://datajournalismhandbook.org/ [12:00] pretty interesting read [13:07] a galaxy tab is being unboxed [13:09] AlanBell: dont drop it [13:09] I don't drop things, I forget where I put them [13:09] * penguin42 wonders if Samsung have a cat called Orion [13:14] * daubers wonders how well the Pi handles webgl [13:19] * popey expects "badly" [13:21] got a url I can try on one? [13:21] i do... hang on [13:21] dunno if the debian I am using had hardware 3d enabled [13:21] from not much playing around with mine, it feels like the SD card is a huge bottleneck :/ [13:22] yeah, people seem to be suggesting putting root on a usb drive [13:23] in fact, i doubt this web browser even supports webgl [13:24] http://scoopex1988.org/released/prods/2012/RadioTherapy/ [13:24] google maps is taking an age to load [13:25] i dont think midori does webgl [13:29] hmmm [13:29] I'd like to try a hard disk with the pi but i dont have a powered external enclosure [13:29] I do [13:29] http://clysuva.com/another_spring/ [13:30] I will give it a try later [13:30] kinda defeats the point of the pi, adding loads of expensive bits to it [13:30] it does a bit [13:31] well, more to the point, trying to squeeze performance out of it is a waste of effort [13:31] if you wanted performance, you have started in the wrong place [13:31] yes [13:32] there are perfectly valid use-cases that don't have a performance requirement [13:32] * s-fox has one :) [13:33] more web demos: http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?platform[]=JavaScript [13:36] Is there a chrome build for the pi? [13:36] (or firefox at least) [13:37] there's iceweasel [13:37] does the latest iceweasel do webGL :) [13:37] i dunno [13:44] apparently icecat does [13:48] hmm..adding printer in ubuntu: Network printer detection needs services mdns, ipp, ipp-client and samba-client enabled on firewall. [13:49] outgoing, yes [13:49] but, you don't need to add a printer with the automatic tool [13:49] and those things are enabled by default [13:49] it looks like gnome classic gives you a non working print dialog [13:50] it's exactly the same [13:50] well it seems broken [13:50] works for me... [13:51] oimon: that's because printing is bad for the environment [13:51] the message is just a warning [13:56] http://ubuntuone.com/57ciwNGGOOZ2F0nwsgx64Q [14:02] the modern printer settings is broken, the old school system-config-printer works [14:14] anyone do any work with real time kernels? [14:36] arsen: you want the ubuntustudio guys for that === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci [14:44] ok, just wondering if anyone has experience of it [14:44] thanks :) === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie [14:52] this problem reporting tool is getting a bit silly [14:52] every time i segfault any program it pops about 3 error reports and even if i click "no" on all of them it still seems to try to submit them [14:52] i doubt the reports will be useful since i caused the crash by patching fopen() === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie [15:13] [Laura Czajkowski] Review of FLOSSIE 2012 - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/05/31/review-of-flossie-2012/ [15:21] hello all [15:21] yo [15:22] o/ [15:26] is there way to stop a service start up on system start up? [15:26] remove it from startup [15:26] dogmatic69, where is the config file sitting? [15:58] cocoa117: Server or desktop [15:58] ? [15:58] And what release of ubuntu ? [15:59] If desktop can get to Startup applications from the Cog in the top right [16:01] If it's serverhttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/update-rc.d.8.html [16:01] Right, gn all [16:12] Ello peeps :) [16:12] sup bigcalm_laptop [16:13] We visited the Titanic museum today. Gave me a terrible sinking feeling [16:15] for all your mine craft fans http://thechive.com/2012/05/31/a-very-minecraft-wedding-34-photos/ === schwuk is now known as schwuk_afk === schwuk_afk is now known as schwuk_afk_away [17:12] the temperature swings in the UK are nuts - 2 or 3 days ago I was stupidly hot - today the heating is on [17:18] Probably mentioned already but have you seen the latest Humble Bundle?! [17:19] ya [17:19] Includes Amnesia, Psychonauts, Limbo, Bastion and Superbrothers. No idea about the last but for the love of god, if you've never played Psychonauts before I rate it as one of the best games I've ever, ever played. [17:19] also integrates with ubuntu software centre [17:19] ☺ [17:19] OMG*heartattack* [17:19] https://twitter.com/popey/status/208243672632930308/photo/1 [17:20] https://twitter.com/popey/status/208244847742693376/photo/1 [17:20] hum, no limbo on 64 bit? [17:20] the humble bundles are a great idea, but i don't think i'll get this one, i already own the games and don't really want to pay money given the quality of the linux ports the last time round... which was not good =\ [17:21] The last time it was a bunch of AIR/Flash games... I'm not sure you can really blame them for the quality of Adobe's runtimes. [17:22] the last bundle? i don't think it was [17:22] last one didn't have any air/flash games http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Indie_Bundle#Humble_Indie_Bundle_4 [17:23] cave story+ was completely broken, stuck in a debug mode where you couldn't get hurt... [17:23] Well.. the last thing they released... It was the Botanicula bundle thingermery. [17:24] Technically worked but it was like pulling teeth. [17:24] they should work better now they are in software centre, right davmor2? ;) [17:24] hehe [17:24] when you can install them [17:25] oh, its arrived now [17:45] gord: the ones that I have tried have all worked [17:49] can anyone recommend a nice easy image editing app, eg resize / crop etc. Something between ms paint and gimp [17:49] Not fond of the hoops you have to go through to save a file in the new gimp, takes longer than it does to modify the file. [17:53] popey, gord: I can recommend limbo (if your hw is up to it) and amnesia [17:53] dogmatic69: hoops? [17:53] yeah i have them both, amnesia is great, i can't beat it though because scary [17:55] popey: you can not just open a file, edit, ctrl+s exit. it is now open, edit, export (cant save as .png etc), click ok, confirm overwrite, configure compression, save [17:56] you cant "save as"? [17:57] no [17:57] file -> export [17:57] ctrl+shift+e [17:57] what version of gimp? [17:57] 2.8? [17:57] the latest [17:57] * popey has 2.6.12 [17:58] I complained about it, and was told 'your work flow is too simple' [17:58] so basically gimp is no longer for average users [18:00] golly [18:00] thats all i ever do with it [18:01] open image, edit a bit, save it [18:01] me too [18:02] what happens if you open an image, do something, hit ctrl+s? [18:05] AlanBell: it pops up file.xcf save dialogue [18:07] The argument is that 'a lot of people save .png by accident and cant later edit them' [18:08] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ [18:08] broken [18:09] yeah [18:09] :/ [18:09] \o/ google cache [18:10] trying fotoxx, will report back with findings [18:13] [Jono Bacon] Humble Indie Bundle in Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/31/humble-indie-bundle-in-ubuntu/ [18:13] dogmatic69: the export feature works very well actually [18:14] it does exactly what you are asking for [18:14] whoever told you it doesn't is "too simple" [18:14] ali1234: no it does not, if I open an existing file I do not want to be asked if I am sure about overwriting it every time, nor set the compression every time. [18:15] this new export thing takes 2 or 3x longer to save than to modify the image, I have 100+ images to modify [18:15] there is a menu option to directly save the image with the same settings [18:16] where? [18:16] in the file menu [18:16] it does exactly what save used to do [18:17] file -> 'overwrite xyz.png' ? [18:17] yes [18:17] still asks about compression [18:17] also, no shortcut key [18:17] the old way did too [18:17] no it did not [18:17] ctrl+s saved, end of. [18:18] it only asked if you changed .ext [18:19] * dogmatic69 is writing a imagemagic script to do it now [19:31] Evening all [19:32] captain popey [19:33] Monsignor buzz_ [19:33] :) [19:41] http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/30/powerful-flame-cyberweapon-tied-to-powerfully-angry-birds/ lmfao at fox [19:46] “But once you know the email address or computer IP address … they can introduce Flame remotely.” xD [19:49] oh wow [19:50] that is quite some FUD in that writeup [19:50] indeed [19:51] Just when you thought Faux couldn't possibly be as bad as their reputation [19:52] and the virus is 'tied' to angry birds because it might have been written in the same language! [19:54] xD [19:54] you've gotta wonder if the consultant they hired is an utter moron or if Fox just glamorised the crap outta it and put his name on it [19:57] what what what [19:57] !info libquvi-scripts [19:57] libquvi-scripts (source: libquvi-scripts): library for parsing video download links (Lua scripts). In component main, is extra. Version 0.4.2-1 (precise), package size 30 kB, installed size 231 kB [19:57] oh, fox [19:58] indeed, fox xD [19:58] in libquvi there is a foxnews.lua [19:58] oh nose, fox is a virus [20:44] hey guys... not sure if this is a Ubuntu issue or what, but my Ubuntu install doesn't appear to be able to connect a certain site any more even though I'm certain it's up [20:44] what site? [20:45] I'm just after some legal music, I bought the CD but it can't be read any more... but The Pirate Bay [20:45] thepiratebay got blocked by most ISPs in this country [20:45] what? When? :S [20:46] I downloaded a Ubuntu ISO from it yesterday... [20:46] a few weeks ago [20:46] -.- [20:46] but smaller ISPs have been taking longer to adopt [20:46] don't download ubuntu from pirate bay, jeez [20:46] Monotoko: http://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/ protip. [20:47] ali1234, it was 8.04.. I needed it for an anicent machine that isn't connected to the net [20:47] seems none of the official repos have it any more [20:47] UK Pirate party mirrored TPB when it got blocked XD [20:47] well.. that was easy, thank you Azelphur :p [20:47] Monotoko: I'd do an md5sum and check that against a signed source to check you've not got something tampered with! [20:48] Monotoko: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04.4/release/ [20:48] indeed, also welcome to censorship state [20:48] penguin42, already have... and I wasn't aware we were becoming China [20:48] ali1234, thank you... I did look, but couldn't find it >.. [20:48] Monotoko: they blocked newzbin too, btw [20:49] but not giganews :D [20:49] and yea, pretty much welcome to China xD [20:49] they are going after porn now fyi [20:49] actually that only has the dvd image. i wonder why. [20:49] Monotoko: I believe someone said something like if you want to copy stuff freely go to china, if you want to discuss politics get out of china; but it's exactly the same principal [20:50] why do private parties get to decide what we can access? :S [20:50] that's whats confusing me... [20:50] they didnt decide [20:50] they're complying with the law [20:50] Monotoko: To be fare they didn't - the courts did [20:51] Monotoko: it was all done behind the scenes in court, so basically one day everybody woke up and it was blocked. [20:51] hmmm... ahhh well, it's been kept under the radar from me! Now.. I've always thought this was legal, but downloading something that you have already bought and lost is legal, right? [20:52] no [20:52] and especially not torrenting [20:52] because not only are you downloading, you're sharing [20:52] which is actually the law they get you on [20:52] it doesn't matter how much illegal it is [20:52] >.> it should be really... or at least give me somewhere to digitally download a CD I buy [20:52] If you don't seed it's still legally grey, RIAA are very anti backup, basically anything that doesn't force you to spend money with them is illegal in their eyes [20:53] its not legally grey at all. [20:53] thats what people say when they try to justify it [20:53] At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you do, illegal or not, if the RIAA comes after you they have bribes all over the place and they will win regardless of the law :p [20:53] same thing people used to say about MAME ROMS and "Abandonware" [20:53] if it was legal there would be no need to justify it [20:53] +1 [20:54] you can't agree with me it isn't allowed [20:54] I didn't agree. [20:54] lol [20:54] * Monotoko may have downloaded a few abondonware products over the years... but only because he can't find it through other means [20:54] that's ok then [20:54] abandonwarez [20:54] Monotoko: everybody in here knows I'm a self admitted pirate :p [20:54] YARRRR! [20:54] (hate that phrase) [20:54] yarr indeed [20:54] (pirate) [20:54] Azelphur: yeah you have the hook hand and an eyepatch right? [20:54] * penguin42 has more sympathy with the abandonware stuff - it's technically illegal but it's not benefiting anyone from it being [20:55] well, it does [20:55] MartijnVdS: I should buy them, take a photo, and link it every time people talk about piracy [20:55] years later when the companies re-release it on new platforms [20:55] penguin42: if only they offered it in the Software Centre (wrapped in dosbox) [20:55] they relicense it to companies that make emulators for ipad/iphone/android [20:55] penguin42, surely it's the same for dead artists? The only people it's really benefiting is the already rich companies >.> [20:55] and they'll keep doing it, it keeps making money long after the original cassette was made [20:55] popey: Well I meant really abandoned ware - stuff which came from dead companies etc [20:55] popey: or they GPL it and port it to SDL [20:55] popey: sopwith - port of the 1980's side-scrolling WWI dogfighting game [20:56] penguin42: sure, but it often still gets picked up [20:56] I know what you're saying, not trying to be argumentative :D [20:56] thats ali1234's job [20:56] sorry... didn't mean to start an argument :P [20:56] ☺ [20:57] Sometimes it's easier to download an "Abandonware" game than to install a floppy drive in a modern PC and play it that way ;) [20:57] popey: It's like some of the ROMS for 8 bit machines, no one really knows who owns them anymore, and none of the companies can be arsed releasing them etc [20:57] just wondering how the hell they got such a huge site blocked with virtuually no news [20:57] MartijnVdS: heck, I've had that problems with DVD's because of the DRM [20:57] yeah, its a shame [20:57] Monotoko: it was all over the news ☺ [20:57] MartijnVdS: I was at a friends house the other day, I had the legit shop bought DVD in my drive, so I fired off TPB and started downloading it, download finished before I could make the legit DVD play -.- [20:57] dont even get me started on DRm [20:57] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17998113 [20:58] it makes it easier to pirate than to buy to get rid of the bloody stuff [20:58] yes, yes, we know [20:58] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17922214 eheh good old bbc, telling people how to get around it [20:58] haha [20:58] popey, well il be damned :P [20:58] popey: did you hear that the block resulted in TPB hitting all time record traffic? [20:58] haha [20:58] mostly from people checking "am I blocked?" [20:59] I would imagine [20:59] probably [20:59] or discovering tpb for the first ime [20:59] "thanks bbc" [20:59] "the site has claimed 12 million more visitors than it has ever had." XD [20:59] ........ -facepalm- [20:59] streisand effect strikes again [20:59] "So that's where the neighbor's kid gets it" [20:59] indeed [20:59] fun [21:13] [Jono Bacon] Help Needed! Ask Ubuntu Accomplishment Documentation - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/31/help-needed-ask-ubuntu-accomplishment-documentation/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [21:34] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9301233/Olympic-beer-to-cost-7.23-a-pint.html [21:34] wowzers [21:35] * dogmatic69 is so excited about the Olympics™ [21:36] "... alongside traditional British favourites such as toasted teacakes and porridge." [21:36] * AlanBell will get free food [21:37] AlanBell: howz? [21:42] y'know the hamburgler? similar deal [21:46] popey: http://imagebin.org/214662 [21:47] oh, it loaded [21:47] y'know [21:47] that could be made less confusing [21:48] now it's telling me to buy it? [21:48] yeah, bit messy that [21:48] oh hang on a minute, it explains *all* this on the page [21:48] it says in your screenshot ... [21:48] yeah [21:48] duh [21:48] i expect this was done in a bit of a hurry ☺ [21:49] and we had to very quickly develop the bits to make this work [21:49] psychonauts still uploading to the mirrors? [21:49] it is 4GB... [21:49] I have added a new disk, degraded my raid1 and created a raid5 with half the degraded raid1 and the new disk. I have LVM on the raid and want to use pvmove but getting Found duplicate PV [21:49] * popey pokes about on launchpad [21:50] right, looks like lp is getting a kicking [21:51] oh? [21:51] yeah, I'm getting timeouts on the pages which deal with this stuff [21:51] at least it didn't try to bill me $0.00 or something silly like that [21:51] so I would expect we're getting a lot of people trying to subscribe and download [21:52]