| MarkDude | Nothing like waking up to see your name in ITworld article | 16:18 |
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| pleia2 | MarkDude: good news, I hope :) | 16:20 |
| MarkDude | Wow Zonker retweeted the message about my account | 16:20 |
| MarkDude | Well | 16:21 |
| MarkDude | Ubuntu may not mind, I just got an email from Fedora leadership | 16:21 |
| MarkDude | Asking me to clarify that I was not represneting them | 16:21 |
| MarkDude | Brian Proffitt @TheTechScribe | 16:22 |
| MarkDude | OSCON Nonprofit Pavilion deals with limited space http://ow.ly/bgYHw <- Fedora, Ubuntu on waiting list | 16:22 |
| MarkDude | woke up to that | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | ah | 16:27 |
| pleia2 | admittedly, OSCON is quite the preaching-to-choir event anyway :) in the coming months I'm going to keep an eye out for other events I should be aiming at | 16:28 |
| pleia2 | space in the non-profit section could be better used to promote projects and non-profit orgs that people haven't heard about and wish to learn about | 16:28 |
| MarkDude | Sure maybe | 16:29 |
| MarkDude | Well 1st- Fedora is not a non-profit | 16:29 |
| MarkDude | But Fedora writes much of Linux | 16:29 |
| MarkDude | Ubuntu promotes Linux like no other | 16:30 |
| scientes | hahaha | 16:34 |
| scientes | MarkDude, ooo link to article? | 16:35 |
| scientes | oh i see it | 16:35 |
| scientes | I don't like how ubuntu and fedora are differing so much in core packages now | 16:38 |
| MarkDude | I understand | 16:40 |
| MarkDude | I was thinking I personally would not mind if the 2 Distros shared a community Linux table | 16:40 |
| scientes | well the reasons for their departing are very real and serious ones | 16:41 |
| MarkDude | Agreed | 16:41 |
| scientes | both made sound technical choices for their actions | 16:42 |
| MarkDude | But focusing on the differences, can be distracting | 16:42 |
| MarkDude | As opposed to the common issies | 16:42 |
| scientes | like: will ubuntu also use fedora's UEFI shim? and sign their kernel's and turn off all the functionality that RH is going to be turning off in signed kernels? | 16:43 |
| scientes | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html | 16:43 |
| scientes | btw: signed kernels will NOT run virtualbox, with NOT run nvida drivers or other 3rd-party crap drivers, and more | 16:44 |
| scientes | and ubuntu has been putting reliance on nvidia + catalyst proprietary, unlike RH/fedora | 16:45 |
| philipballew_ | this sounds disappointing... | 16:52 |
| MarkDude | Well much of it is sad | 16:56 |
| MarkDude | Part of the reason I used UDS to look for issues in common | 16:56 |
| MarkDude | And am trying to get Juju - in Fedora repos | 16:57 |
| MarkDude | And would like ideas for the other way around | 16:57 |
| MarkDude | Dont forget tho- RH is NOT Fedora | 16:57 |
| MarkDude | Just as Canonical is NOT the Ubuntu Community | 16:57 |
| MarkDude | :D | 16:57 |
| MarkDude | Minus a few legal issues, Fedora is in charge of its own destiny | 16:58 |
| scientes | MarkDude, ok sorry | 17:05 |
| MarkDude | No problem | 17:05 |
| scientes | philipballew, yes, the UFI stuff is quite disappointing | 17:06 |
| scientes | *UEFI | 17:06 |
| scientes | its a giant mess | 17:06 |
| * MarkDude was just told to clarify a few details- and that my opinions are not that of Fedora :) | 17:06 | |
| scientes | its non-driver parts has more code than the non-driver part of the linux kernl | 17:06 |
| MarkDude | Or any other FOSS projects I am associated with | 17:06 |
| MarkDude | Well the driver thing | 17:06 |
| MarkDude | It comes down to fundamental differences between the two | 17:06 |
| scientes | well UEFI is a mess for everyone | 17:07 |
| MarkDude | Ubuntu is more functional | 17:07 |
| MarkDude | easier to use- due in great part to drivers | 17:07 |
| scientes | errrrrr | 17:07 |
| MarkDude | Fedora takes a stance like RMS - to keep its focus on FREE things | 17:07 |
| scientes | that is certainly your own opinion, and one that fedora doesn't share AFAIK | 17:07 |
| scientes | its even in their tagline: FREEDOM | 17:08 |
| MarkDude | Actually most - in Fedora know Ubuntu is easier to use | 17:08 |
| scientes | and i have to agree with them there, and even Linus Torvalds, who RMS isn't that big of a fan of, is on the same grounds here | 17:08 |
| MarkDude | Thats actually parrt of the core- the Foundations | 17:08 |
| scientes | even if his reasons against propritary drivers are largely on practical grounds, rather than philosophical | 17:08 |
| MarkDude | Friends , Features, Freedoms, First | 17:08 |
| MarkDude | Well, would you tell a vegetarian to eat meet? | 17:09 |
| MarkDude | meat | 17:09 |
| scientes | and red-hat has been doing the big funding of nouveau and radeon | 17:09 |
| scientes | and i give them alot of credit there | 17:09 |
| MarkDude | Agreed | 17:09 |
| MarkDude | nouveau used to suck :D | 17:09 |
| scientes | now we just need VA-API support | 17:09 |
| scientes | well nouveau still sucks on my card | 17:10 |
| scientes | it was just rewritten | 17:10 |
| scientes | so I have my hopes up :D | 17:10 |
| MarkDude | Yep | 17:21 |
| MarkDude | I think much of this can be compared to dietary restrictions | 17:21 |
| MarkDude | Fedora is like a vegan | 17:21 |
| MarkDude | Ubuntu is an omnivore | 17:21 |
| MarkDude | One that puts weight on being green | 17:22 |
| MarkDude | Its not like Ubuntu does not have a value system, they certainly have a valid one | 17:22 |
| MarkDude | They stay true to what they believe | 17:22 |
| MarkDude | If you sorta keep this in mind, it keeps the *trying to convert thing* to a minimum | 17:23 |
| MarkDude | Fedora need not eat meat, and Ubuntu is not evil for doing so :D | 17:23 |
| scientes | I don't neccicarily want to impose my beliefs on others | 17:46 |
| scientes | generally not a wise course of action ;) | 17:46 |
| MarkDude | Agreed :D | 17:46 |
| MarkDude | The common area to follow my comparison, is that both dont want un-needed suffering | 17:47 |
| MarkDude | Even tho Ubuntu eats meat, there is a caring there | 17:47 |
| MarkDude | This area has a fair amount to agree on. | 17:48 |
| scientes | and happily broadcom came around to the world of the free | 17:48 |
| scientes | *thnkfully | 17:48 |
| MarkDude | And others may warm to this idea | 17:48 |
| MarkDude | By Ubuntu pushing the limits of drivers, and Fedora staying clear, its a carrot and stick | 17:49 |
| MarkDude | Both are valid | 17:49 |
| MarkDude | and awesome I might add :D | 17:49 |
| MarkDude | Nothing like working on a draft of my response to an article in which I am mentioned. | 17:56 |
| * MarkDude never had goal of being known as *the dude in the Penguin Suit*, an agitator, or a supporter of a cartoon hotodg. Sometimes destiny picks us tho, we do not pick it :D | 17:58 | |
| * MarkDude is an asshat, just to clarify | 17:58 | |
| scientes | "the meatiest release ever" | 18:08 |
| MarkDude | lol | 18:11 |
| MarkDude | Damn, I need to respond to this, and also go back to the Fedora naming issues- STILL being talked about. | 18:11 |
| philipballew | Now I wonder if I should still go to oscon | 18:12 |
| philipballew | good luck responding MarkDude | 18:16 |
| MarkDude | YES | 18:17 |
| MarkDude | go there | 18:17 |
| * MarkDude has never planned on not going | 18:17 | |
| MarkDude | Even the account I created said - I will be there | 18:18 |
| philipballew_ | If there is not a Ubuntu booth, then its a lot of money to get in iirc | 18:18 |
| MarkDude | Go to CLS the weekend before | 18:18 |
| MarkDude | Nope | 18:18 |
| MarkDude | there are free expo passes | 18:18 |
| philipballew_ | hum, there is still a chance a Ubuntu booth will pop up | 18:19 |
| philipballew_ | odd that Mark Shuttleworth is keynoting yet no Ubuntu booth | 18:19 |
| MarkDude | They will get a booth | 18:20 |
| * MarkDude will bet money on it | 18:20 | |
| MarkDude | They know I will grandstand | 18:20 |
| philipballew_ | well If they do, I will be there. | 18:21 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: even if we get a booth they are only giving out two passes for booth holders this year | 18:21 |
| bkerensa | although their is a free expo pass for all dot orgs... just use "FREEORG" | 18:21 |
| philipballew_ | Yeah, I stll have other ways to ger in | 18:21 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, no worries. | 18:22 |
| MarkDude | Well - there has been extra RH budget money set aside to pay for Fedora there. Since they are NOT a non-profit. I dont think I could use the free pass option | 18:23 |
| MarkDude | That I understand and take no issue with. Fedora is willing to pay | 18:24 |
| MarkDude | Ubuntu should not- due to it being a charity | 18:24 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I am almost certain that they will not give out anything except a free expo pass | 18:30 |
| bkerensa | unless your a speaker, have a booth or know someone at O'Reilly | 18:30 |
| scientes | ubuntu is a charity? | 18:31 |
| scientes | even though ubuntu != canonical i didn't think it was non-profit | 18:31 |
| bkerensa | scientes: Canonical is a corporation | 18:31 |
| bkerensa | scientes: Ubuntu is a Community | 18:31 |
| scientes | or at least 501(c)3 non-profit | 18:31 |
| scientes | which is usually what ppl mean when they say non-profit in the US | 18:31 |
| bkerensa | scientes: You dont have to be a 501(c)3 non profit to get a dot org booth | 18:32 |
| * MarkDude is paid for already | 18:38 | |
| scientes | http://humblebundle.com/ | 18:44 |
| scientes | Average Windows: $6.50 | 18:45 |
| scientes | Average Mac: $8.53 | 18:45 |
| scientes | Average Linux: .... | 18:45 |
| scientes | **$11.35** | 18:45 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: u around? | 21:34 |
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| philipballew_ | bkerensa, yeah | 21:47 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I got the answer I needed :D | 21:47 |
| philipballew_ | nice! what exactly did they say? | 21:48 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, | 21:53 |
| bkerensa | phi | 21:54 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: yeah? | 21:54 |
| philipballew_ | what exactly did they say? | 21:55 |
| MarkDude | bkerensa, wow | 22:09 |
| * MarkDude did not know you were older than me | 22:10 | |
| MarkDude | Woulda bet some money you were younger | 22:10 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: what? How am I older than you | 22:11 |
| bkerensa | >.< | 22:11 |
| * bkerensa is not old | 22:11 | |
| MarkDude | Your page says you were born in 1963 | 22:11 |
| bkerensa | WTF | 22:11 |
| * MarkDude would guess you maybe meant 1973? | 22:11 | |
| MarkDude | Its ok Grandpa, let's tell these damn kids to get off of our lawn | 22:12 |
| bkerensa | wow fixed | 22:12 |
| MarkDude | Make sure you are wearign bathrobe while saying so | 22:12 |
| MarkDude | lol | 22:12 |
| MarkDude | Figured that mighta slipped by | 22:12 |
| MarkDude | No more Grandpa Ben, I will have to stick with calling you Uncle Ben | 22:13 |
| MarkDude | Wow, so you had to put 4 digits for your Bday, and you blew it on TWO of them? :P | 22:14 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, I bet your an AARP member as well? | 22:15 |
| * MarkDude heard he not only dyes the hair on his head, he also does his eyebrows | 22:17 | |
| MarkDude | They are TOO uniform | 22:17 |
| philipballew_ | MarkDude, sooner or later he might have to consider an elderly care living facility. | 22:18 |
| MarkDude | True. But it wont be too bad | 22:18 |
| MarkDude | He is able to get free stuff rather easily. He will get some free depends, and maybe viagra | 22:19 |
| MarkDude | :D | 22:19 |
| philipballew_ | he can review them like he does regularly :) | 22:20 |
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