[16:18] <MarkDude> Nothing like waking up to see your name in ITworld article
[16:20] <pleia2> MarkDude: good news, I hope :)
[16:20] <MarkDude> Wow Zonker retweeted the message about my account
[16:21] <MarkDude> Well
[16:21] <MarkDude> Ubuntu may not mind, I just got an email from Fedora leadership
[16:21] <MarkDude> Asking me to clarify that I was not represneting them
[16:22] <MarkDude> Brian Proffitt ‏@TheTechScribe
[16:22] <MarkDude> OSCON Nonprofit Pavilion deals with limited space http://ow.ly/bgYHw <- Fedora, Ubuntu on waiting list
[16:22] <MarkDude> woke up to that
[16:27] <pleia2> ah
[16:28] <pleia2> admittedly, OSCON is quite the preaching-to-choir event anyway :) in the coming months I'm going to keep an eye out for other events I should be aiming at
[16:28] <pleia2> space in the non-profit section could be better used to promote projects and non-profit orgs that people haven't heard about and wish to learn about
[16:29] <MarkDude> Sure maybe
[16:29] <MarkDude> Well 1st- Fedora is not a non-profit
[16:29] <MarkDude> But Fedora writes much of Linux
[16:30] <MarkDude> Ubuntu promotes Linux like no other
[16:34] <scientes> hahaha
[16:35] <scientes> MarkDude, ooo link to article?
[16:35] <scientes> oh i see it
[16:38] <scientes> I don't like how ubuntu and fedora are differing so much in core packages now
[16:40] <MarkDude> I understand
[16:40] <MarkDude> I was thinking I personally would not mind if the 2 Distros shared a community Linux table
[16:41] <scientes> well the reasons for their departing are very real and serious ones
[16:41] <MarkDude> Agreed
[16:42] <scientes> both made sound technical choices for their actions
[16:42] <MarkDude> But focusing on the differences, can be distracting
[16:42] <MarkDude> As opposed to the common issies
[16:43] <scientes> like: will ubuntu also use fedora's UEFI shim? and sign their kernel's and turn off all the functionality that RH is going to be turning off in signed kernels?
[16:43] <scientes> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html
[16:44] <scientes> btw: signed kernels will NOT run virtualbox, with NOT run nvida drivers or other 3rd-party crap drivers, and more
[16:45] <scientes> and ubuntu has been putting reliance on nvidia + catalyst proprietary, unlike RH/fedora
[16:52] <philipballew_> this sounds disappointing...
[16:56] <MarkDude> Well much of it is sad
[16:56] <MarkDude> Part of the reason I used UDS to look for issues in common
[16:57] <MarkDude> And am trying to get Juju - in Fedora repos
[16:57] <MarkDude> And would like ideas for the other way around
[16:57] <MarkDude> Dont forget tho- RH is NOT Fedora
[16:57] <MarkDude> Just as Canonical is NOT the Ubuntu Community
[16:57] <MarkDude> :D
[16:58] <MarkDude> Minus a few legal issues, Fedora is in charge of its own destiny
[17:05] <scientes> MarkDude, ok sorry
[17:05] <MarkDude> No problem
[17:06] <scientes> philipballew, yes, the UFI stuff is quite disappointing
[17:06] <scientes> *UEFI
[17:06] <scientes> its a giant mess
[17:06]  * MarkDude was just told to clarify a few details- and that my opinions are not that of Fedora :)
[17:06] <scientes> its non-driver parts has more code than the non-driver part of the linux kernl
[17:06] <MarkDude> Or any other FOSS projects I am associated with
[17:06] <MarkDude> Well the driver thing
[17:06] <MarkDude> It comes down to fundamental differences between the two
[17:07] <scientes> well UEFI is a mess for everyone
[17:07] <MarkDude> Ubuntu is more functional
[17:07] <MarkDude> easier to use- due in great part to drivers
[17:07] <scientes> errrrrr
[17:07] <MarkDude> Fedora takes a stance like RMS - to keep its focus on FREE things
[17:07] <scientes> that is certainly your own opinion, and one that fedora doesn't share AFAIK
[17:08] <scientes> its even in their tagline: FREEDOM
[17:08] <MarkDude> Actually most - in Fedora know Ubuntu is easier to use
[17:08] <scientes> and i have to agree with them there, and even Linus Torvalds, who RMS isn't that big of a fan of, is on the same grounds here
[17:08] <MarkDude> Thats actually parrt of the core- the Foundations
[17:08] <scientes> even if his reasons against propritary drivers are largely on practical grounds, rather than philosophical
[17:08] <MarkDude> Friends , Features, Freedoms, First
[17:09] <MarkDude> Well, would you tell a vegetarian to eat meet?
[17:09] <MarkDude> meat
[17:09] <scientes> and red-hat has been doing the big funding of nouveau and radeon
[17:09] <scientes> and i give them alot of credit there
[17:09] <MarkDude> Agreed
[17:09] <MarkDude> nouveau used to suck :D
[17:09] <scientes> now we just need VA-API support
[17:10] <scientes> well nouveau still sucks on my card
[17:10] <scientes> it was just rewritten
[17:10] <scientes> so I have my hopes up :D
[17:21] <MarkDude> Yep
[17:21] <MarkDude> I think much of this can be compared to dietary restrictions
[17:21] <MarkDude> Fedora is like a vegan
[17:21] <MarkDude> Ubuntu is an omnivore
[17:22] <MarkDude> One that puts weight on being green
[17:22] <MarkDude> Its not like Ubuntu does not have a value system, they certainly have a valid one
[17:22] <MarkDude> They stay true to what they believe
[17:23] <MarkDude> If you sorta keep this in mind, it keeps the *trying to convert thing* to a minimum
[17:23] <MarkDude> Fedora need not eat meat, and Ubuntu is not evil for doing so :D
[17:46] <scientes> I don't neccicarily want to impose my beliefs on others
[17:46] <scientes> generally not a wise course of action ;)
[17:46] <MarkDude> Agreed :D
[17:47] <MarkDude> The common area to follow my comparison, is that both dont want un-needed suffering
[17:47] <MarkDude> Even tho Ubuntu eats meat, there is a caring there
[17:48] <MarkDude> This area has a fair amount to agree on.
[17:48] <scientes> and happily broadcom came around to the world of the free
[17:48] <scientes> *thnkfully
[17:48] <MarkDude> And others may warm to this idea
[17:49] <MarkDude> By Ubuntu pushing the limits of drivers, and Fedora staying clear, its a carrot and stick
[17:49] <MarkDude> Both are valid
[17:49] <MarkDude> and awesome I might add :D
[17:56] <MarkDude> Nothing like working on a draft of my response to an article in which I am mentioned.
[17:58]  * MarkDude never had goal of being known as *the dude in the Penguin Suit*, an agitator, or a supporter of a cartoon hotodg. Sometimes destiny picks us tho, we do not pick it :D
[17:58]  * MarkDude is an asshat, just to clarify
[18:08] <scientes> "the meatiest release ever"
[18:11] <MarkDude> lol
[18:11] <MarkDude> Damn, I need to respond to this, and also go back to the Fedora naming issues- STILL being talked about.
[18:12] <philipballew> Now I wonder if I should still go to oscon
[18:16] <philipballew> good luck responding MarkDude
[18:17] <MarkDude> YES
[18:17] <MarkDude> go there
[18:17]  * MarkDude has never planned on not going
[18:18] <MarkDude> Even the account I created said - I will be there
[18:18] <philipballew_> If there is not a Ubuntu booth, then its a lot of money to get in iirc
[18:18] <MarkDude> Go to CLS the weekend before
[18:18] <MarkDude> Nope
[18:18] <MarkDude> there are free expo passes
[18:19] <philipballew_> hum,  there is still a chance a Ubuntu booth will pop up
[18:19] <philipballew_> odd that Mark Shuttleworth is keynoting yet no Ubuntu booth
[18:20] <MarkDude> They will get a booth
[18:20]  * MarkDude will bet money on it
[18:20] <MarkDude> They know I will grandstand
[18:21] <philipballew_> well If they do, I will be there.
[18:21] <bkerensa> philipballew: even if we get a booth they are only giving out two passes for booth holders this year
[18:21] <bkerensa> although their is a free expo pass for all dot orgs... just use "FREEORG"
[18:21] <philipballew_> Yeah, I stll have other ways to ger in
[18:22] <philipballew_> bkerensa, no worries.
[18:23] <MarkDude> Well - there has been extra RH budget money set aside to pay for Fedora there. Since they are NOT a non-profit. I dont think I could use the free pass option
[18:24] <MarkDude> That I understand and take no issue with. Fedora is willing to pay
[18:24] <MarkDude> Ubuntu should not- due to it being a charity
[18:30] <bkerensa> philipballew: I am almost certain that they will not give out anything except a free expo pass
[18:30] <bkerensa> unless your a speaker, have a booth or know someone at O'Reilly
[18:31] <scientes> ubuntu is a charity?
[18:31] <scientes> even though ubuntu != canonical i didn't think it was non-profit
[18:31] <bkerensa> scientes: Canonical is a corporation
[18:31] <bkerensa> scientes: Ubuntu is a Community
[18:31] <scientes> or at least 501(c)3 non-profit
[18:31] <scientes> which is usually what ppl mean when they say non-profit in the US
[18:32] <bkerensa> scientes: You dont have to be a 501(c)3 non profit to get a dot org booth
[18:38]  * MarkDude is paid for already
[18:44] <scientes> http://humblebundle.com/
[18:45] <scientes> Average Windows: $6.50
[18:45] <scientes> Average Mac: $8.53
[18:45] <scientes> Average Linux: ....
[18:45] <scientes> **$11.35**
[21:34] <bkerensa> philipballew: u around?
[21:47] <philipballew_> bkerensa, yeah
[21:47] <bkerensa> philipballew: I got the answer I needed :D
[21:48] <philipballew_>  nice! what exactly did they say?
[21:53] <philipballew_> bkerensa,
[21:54] <bkerensa> phi
[21:54] <bkerensa> philipballew: yeah?
[21:55] <philipballew_> what exactly did they say?
[22:09] <MarkDude> bkerensa, wow
[22:10]  * MarkDude did not know you were older than me
[22:10] <MarkDude> Woulda bet some money you were younger
[22:11] <bkerensa> MarkDude: what? How am I older than you
[22:11] <bkerensa> >.<
[22:11]  * bkerensa is not old
[22:11] <MarkDude> Your page says you were born in 1963
[22:11] <bkerensa> WTF
[22:11]  * MarkDude would guess you maybe meant 1973?
[22:12] <MarkDude> Its ok Grandpa, let's tell these damn kids to get off of our lawn
[22:12] <bkerensa> wow fixed
[22:12] <MarkDude> Make sure you are wearign bathrobe while saying so
[22:12] <MarkDude> lol
[22:12] <MarkDude> Figured that mighta slipped by
[22:13] <MarkDude> No more Grandpa Ben, I will have to stick with calling you Uncle Ben
[22:14] <MarkDude> Wow, so you had to put 4 digits for your Bday, and you blew it on TWO of them? :P
[22:15] <philipballew_> bkerensa, I bet your an AARP member as well?
[22:17]  * MarkDude heard he not only dyes the hair on his head, he also does his eyebrows
[22:17] <MarkDude> They are TOO uniform
[22:18] <philipballew_> MarkDude, sooner or later he might have to consider an elderly care living facility.
[22:18] <MarkDude> True. But it wont be too bad
[22:19] <MarkDude> He is able to get free stuff rather easily. He will get some free depends, and maybe viagra
[22:19] <MarkDude> :D
[22:20] <philipballew_> he can review them like he does regularly :)