[07:44] just as short question, maybe someone knows: how can I enable pulseaudio to keep on playing, even when switching to another user ? (12.04) [07:45] phaidros: I haven't investigated this. It seems it is configured for one user session only [07:48] You want to play music with one user, and then switch to another user to do something else? [07:49] ailo: exactly, and I want the sound to not stop .. as this is really annoying when switching back and forth :) [07:50] afaik one could configure pulse as a system service, but there should be a way to do that on a user level .. [07:54] any ideas? [07:55] phaidros: I just tried doing this in Debian, and it worked (all though it says during boot something about "per user session" for PA) [07:56] phaidros: At which point is audio stopped? When you switch to the login screen, or when you login with the new user? [07:56] I'm on Debian Wheezy which is in many ways quite similar to 12.04 [07:57] I did make sure the new user is apart of "audio" groups [07:57] I could try without it [07:57] ailo: sound stops as soon as I see the login screen [07:57] Ok, so then it is a config thing [07:58] both users here are group audio, as both can play sound .. just not continuously the same sound :D [07:58] any idea where that might be configured? [08:01] The audio group is actually not important for PA [08:01] Or, I don't think so anyway [08:01] It is needed to get realtime privilige though [08:02] There's some confusion on that. It seems audio groups is used for two different things or something [08:03] ailo: realtime is only granted when adjusting so in /etc/sysctl.conf (e.g. for group audio) .. so it is not directly related to the audio group in general (imho) [08:04] afaics the membership of group audio grants access to the sound system [08:04] tho, both is no issue here. I still wonder where the "session" is configured and that it "stops" (or better pauses) when switching to a login screen [08:06] phaidros: You can't have access to realtime with jack, if you're not a member of audio group [08:06] While PA is supposed to use another method [08:07] On Ubuntustudio, you become a member by default, for the first user [08:08] But the second will lack membership to some groups, as well as audio group [08:08] phaidros: There are some setting files for PA at /etc/pulse/* [08:09] I don't know much about how pulse is configured, but I guess google is a friend [08:09] pulse is a member of audio group, but to use pulse you should not need to be [08:11] ailo: yeah, /etc/pulse is a way, but that is a global pulse server .. tho, I am looking for a way to configure that with pulse as it is running ootb [08:13] They are global settings for PA, not for a global server [08:13] If you make settings in /etc/pulse, they affect all users, not only one [08:14] Let me make a diff between ubuntustudio and debian to find out what the difference is [08:15] thanx! [08:25] ailo: any hints? [08:26] phaidros: I only have one clue. I will try change the setting, and see what happens [08:26] bbs [08:31] phaidros: Ok, so I think I may have found it [08:31] Wait, let me try one more thing [08:44] phaidros: I just tried switching users on Ubuntu Studio, and that worked too [08:44] phaidros: Perhaps this only happens when you start a flash players stream? [08:46] I read something about playing flash has worked before, when switching users, but it's not only audio. Also video, so that is interrupted as soon as you get to login screen [08:46] With audio files on hard disk, I don't have this problem. They keep playing [08:47] Ok, gotta go. Hope things get sorted out [13:29] hola [17:49] hey [17:50] not actually an ubuntu studio install per se, but i've got ubuntustudio-audio installed on my vanilla 12.04 install and i'm having jack issues [17:50] mainly that there is no system output in patchage or the qjackctl patcher thingy [17:50] i tried installing pulseaudio-module-jack, but that didn't seem to help [17:55] dutchie: no output from what? [17:56] qjackctl makes no output [17:56] nor does patchage [17:56] i would try running jack as root... [17:56] sudo qjackctl [17:56] if that works, then you can assume the config is good [17:56] holstein: output to headphones/speakers [17:56] then, if it doesnt work as normal user, you can assume its permissions [17:57] then, when JACK is running as normal user, i would route something simple such as yoshimi or zynaddsubfx to the output [17:57] OR, something like audacious set to use JACK as output [17:58] there is no output to route yoshimi to [17:59] dutchie: is JACK running? [17:59] http://imgur.com/ihpww [17:59] dutchie: do you have it configured properly? [17:59] jack seems to be running fine, at least the console output from qjackctl says so [17:59] dutchie: do you have is set to "duplex" in qjackctl's "setup" [18:00] dutchie: sure, but maybe not configured to work with your hardware [18:00] dutchie: i would close jack and start qjackctl as root [18:00] when you see JACK running as root on your card, and all looks as it should, then you can move on to as normal user [18:01] same error with root [18:01] dutchie: well, its not an "error" [18:02] well, no [18:02] dutchie: if you dont have it configured to use your device properly in duplex mode [18:02] OR, if the alsa drivers are not supporting the device [18:02] dutchie: is it set up in duplex mode? [18:02] yes [18:03] dutchie: you are in the audio tab in "connect" ? [18:03] yes [18:03] dutchie: i would remove the pulse sync thing, thats not the issue [18:03] ok [18:04] you can try going one way or the other with alsa [18:05] what do you mean? [18:05] dutchie: upgrading or downgrading [18:06] i usually try some live CD's... [18:07] oh right [18:21] well i just rebooted and now there is a system output [18:22] \o/ [18:24] now i just have to work out what system/capture_{1,2} and system/playback{1..6} are [18:27] yeah? [18:27] just route to them all [18:28] foolproof! [18:42] hmm, can't seem to record anything [18:44] dutchie: with? [18:44] anything [18:45] from? [18:45] tried ardour, qtractor, audacity [18:45] use ardour [18:45] route *every* input ot *every* output [18:45] its likely you are just getting used to the way it looks/feels [18:45] do you need JACK? [18:46] maybe you'd be OK with pavucontrol and audacity [18:46] this is the sort of thing i'm not sure about [18:47] keep it simple [18:47] i have a feeling i'm going to be woefully underequipped for what i want to do hardware-wise [18:47] route a piece of software to another peice of software [18:47] test JACK connections that way [18:47] makes sense [18:47] if you are using an internal sound card, i would just get *any* USB device [18:47] you can ask in #opensourcemusicians about what is the best around now [18:47] what i want to do is record some singing, and put it on top of some synthy type stuff [18:48] best for the cash [18:48] dutchie: "recording some singing" is quite challenging [18:48] lets say you want to do that professionally [18:48] you would go somewhere and pay $80/hour [18:49] you are trying to repicate that harware workflow on a sound card that cost 18 cents [18:49] im not saying it cant be done, but you are going to get sub-par results [18:49] quality is not a huge issue, it's basically supposed to be a romantic surprise for my girlfriend [18:49] i would get an all in one USB device with a preamp [18:49] OR, just use what you got, and deal with it [18:49] OR record the tracks, take them to a studio and sing over them [18:50] dutchie: its *drastic* the difference [18:50] they are not equivalent tools [18:50] the USB device with the preamp is something i would say to use if you are not worried about the quality [18:50] the internal sound card and mic you are using now is just not for that purpose at all [18:50] thats for skype at best [18:51] *nods* [18:51] depending on what you are doing, you might knock it out in an hour at a studio [18:51] OR, grab a device for $60 somewhere (or $30 used) [18:52] fair enough [18:52] so the singing is going to be hard, but what about the synthy type stuff? [18:53] software synths are just that [18:53] they are generated "in the box" [18:53] so, that'll sound the same on your box, or some studio machine [18:53] doesnt matter [18:53] you'll sound the same as if you are paying $80/hour [18:53] yep, i got that [18:55] what would the actual workflow be? put something together in a midi sequencer, feed that into a synth and twiddle dials until cool noises come out? or have i got the wrong end of the stick? [18:55] nah [18:55] its all open, so the workflow can literally be what you like [18:55] i dont do a lot of midi [18:55] i would suggest asking in #opensourcemusicians [18:56] most folks use qtractor as a sequencer [18:56] there are lots of synths and samplers.. but sampling gets into the hardware again [18:56] assuming you want to use your own samples [18:56] otherwise, the tracks are as good as the samples you use [18:57] right [18:57] with JACK, and a nice interface, you can run out to hardware modules, or effects [18:57] the only limitations with JACK and these open tools are your imagination, skill and cash flow [18:58] awesome, thanks a lot [18:58] if we were anywhere nearby i'd probably buy you a drink by now [18:58] hehe.. well, check out my CD... [18:59] http://holstein.bandcamp.com/