| pjotr | Hello, in my opinion the number of icons on the default Xubuntu desktop, is rather excessive. How about reducing that number a bit? | 09:47 |
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| pjotr | Removing the "removable devices" icons has some technical disadvantages, so maybe they better stay. The trash can icon is also useful on the desktop, I think. But perhaps the shortcuts for "Home" and "File System" can be disabled in the default settings? | 09:47 |
| pjotr | shortcuts = icons | 09:47 |
| laite | heh, home & filesystem are the only ones I keep on my desktop =P | 09:51 |
| baizon | i got Home, file system, trash and 2 shortcut :) | 09:55 |
| ochosi | the number of items on the default desktop seems to be a really interesting issue to some... | 10:12 |
| ochosi | somehow it pops up every now and then | 10:12 |
| ochosi | maybe xubuntu is too good already, because people keep whining on such a high level :} | 10:12 |
| astraljava | Indeed. Let's break it horribly for quantal, so people will have some real topics to discuss. *smirk* | 10:28 |
| ochosi | :) | 10:31 |
| GridCube | knome, im lost, what else im supposed to do on the wiki comparizon? | 12:53 |
| ochosi | GridCube: what i'd expect from the comparison is something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMusicPlayer | 13:03 |
| ochosi | or this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMailClient | 13:03 |
| ochosi | GridCube: if you're thinking "yuck, this looks like a lot of work", then yes, i can confirm that :) (that's why there haven't been tons of real application comparisons) | 13:13 |
| GridCube | :) | 13:18 |
| GridCube | ok | 13:18 |
| GridCube | welp, most of that can be copypasted :D | 13:20 |
| knome | GridCube, don't | 13:20 |
| knome | GridCube, please, you need to go through it yourself to be able to actually give a objective proposal | 13:20 |
| knome | *an | 13:21 |
| knome | and things are probably also better | 13:21 |
| ochosi | also, if everything gets copypasted only, we'll end up with exaile again :) | 13:21 |
| knome | hehe | 13:21 |
| GridCube | well no i meant the part about use cases, thats pretty much the same | 13:22 |
| knome | GridCube, i'd still say; please go through it yourself | 13:22 |
| GridCube | knome, i am | 13:22 |
| knome | GridCube, by all means use the old spec as a reference | 13:22 |
| knome | GridCube, but don't copy-paste | 13:23 |
| knome | it *is* hard work, especially if you want to stay objectibe | 13:23 |
| knome | s/b/v/ | 13:23 |
| GridCube | it just i dont feel like any of the work will actually matter because it feels like it has been decided that "i just dont like it" | 13:23 |
| ochosi | in fact there are a few things i prefer structurally in the mailclient comparison, that's why i linked it as well | 13:23 |
| knome | GridCube, to me, it looks like you have decided that you don't like gmb, and that's why you don't want to propose that as default | 13:24 |
| ochosi | GridCube: that is fine as well, then we'll most likely stick to gmusicbrowser (there haven't really been many public complaints) | 13:24 |
| knome | GridCube, don't let prejudice get you :) | 13:24 |
| knome | GridCube, that's too easy - anbody can do that with *no* work | 13:25 |
| ochosi | well in fact there's also the option to compile a list of proposed changes to gmusicbrowser. much can be dealt with at the layout-level | 13:25 |
| ochosi | knome: which reminds me: click the search-icon > advanced search (that is in fact "create filter from search") | 13:25 |
| knome | GridCube, ^ and we're actually working on making our layout more intuitive (there's even a blueprint for that) | 13:26 |
| knome | (a shimmer project blueprint) | 13:26 |
| knome | anyway, i got to go | 13:26 |
| knome | i'll be back later today | 13:26 |
| knome | see you! | 13:26 |
| ochosi | seeya | 13:26 |
| GridCube | ochosi, in order to do a comparison like the one in the mail client i would need to reduce the amount of option to 2 or 3 | 13:27 |
| ochosi | GridCube: yes, i think you can try to rule out a few anyway | 13:27 |
| GridCube | mmhm yes | 13:28 |
| ochosi | no need to compare _all_ of them :) | 13:28 |
| GridCube | but the thing is, there are music players, like audacious or like decibel, that "just play music", no default media library or anything, so what should i do then? | 13:28 |
| ochosi | well i guess that's a big decision, should it be library-capable or not | 13:29 |
| GridCube | rule them out? compare only media players that have music libraries? | 13:29 |
| GridCube | because if we do that then we can simply tell people to use parole to play music | 13:29 |
| ochosi | well ideally the music player would have both | 13:29 |
| ochosi | yeah | 13:30 |
| ochosi | parole is actually ok on the simple-playlist level | 13:30 |
| ochosi | it's far from perfect | 13:30 |
| GridCube | and have only one media player | 13:30 |
| GridCube | yes | 13:30 |
| ochosi | but maybe astraljava can help improve it a bit | 13:30 |
| ochosi | personally i think it's good to have a separate music player | 13:30 |
| ochosi | simply it's a very common usecase | 13:31 |
| ochosi | *because | 13:31 |
| GridCube | :/ well | 13:43 |
| bluesabre | I feel like a lot of the lightweight, Xfce-recommended players suffer from being ugly. http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps#multimediaplayback | 13:47 |
| bluesabre | Can we not have pretty and resource-friendly? :) | 13:47 |
| ochosi | i think in this case something like beatbox would be an option | 13:48 |
| ochosi | but i have no clue how stable it is atm | 13:48 |
| bluesabre | Haven't used it in a while. | 13:49 |
| ochosi | me neither | 13:49 |
| bluesabre | Don't really have any music on this computer, but it handles podcasts well so far =) | 13:55 |
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| astraljava | ochosi: Talking about parole? | 18:04 |
| ochosi | astraljava: yeah. GridCube and me were talking about what the default music player should be able to do in xubuntu | 18:05 |
| ochosi | and the basic playback/list thing is already covered by parole | 18:05 |
| ochosi | so i argued that library-management wouldn't a bad basic feature | 18:05 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Right on. I'm still at my bro's, I thought I'd end up at home earlier than yesterday... but he had beer. *smirk* | 18:05 |
| ochosi | hehe | 18:05 |
| ochosi | lucky you | 18:06 |
| astraljava | So can't start working on it tonight either. :D | 18:06 |
| ochosi | neither do i have a bro, nor do i have beer at home :'( | 18:06 |
| astraljava | Tomorrow I'm talking rubbi^WQA stuff with gnome. | 18:06 |
| ochosi | ah right | 18:06 |
| ochosi | you mean in person? | 18:06 |
| astraljava | Yep. They're cooking indian-style tortillas. :) | 18:11 |
| ochosi | gah, you lucky bastard! | 18:12 |
| astraljava | *smirk* | 18:12 |
| ochosi | i can't help myself, this looks pretty fantastic imo: http://0rax0.deviantart.com/art/GNOME-Shell-eOS-262479724 | 18:14 |
| ochosi | i mean the whole color-scheme seems pretty balanced | 18:14 |
| ochosi | very bright though, no sure how it would be in everyday use | 18:14 |
| bluesabre | too much white | 18:14 |
| ochosi | probably | 18:15 |
| ochosi | thing is: this is just a shell-theme | 18:15 |
| bluesabre | true | 18:15 |
| ochosi | so no idea what the gtk theme should look like | 18:15 |
| bluesabre | Not going to see that white very often | 18:15 |
| ochosi | probably greybird would work well with it | 18:15 |
| ochosi | i'm sometimes thinking about making greybird's menus white | 18:16 |
| ochosi | mainly because it's easier to read | 18:16 |
| astraljava | Well it looks really cool to me as well. | 18:24 |
| ochosi | I'd love to make the xfce headers look like the "Home Applications System" towards the lower end of the screenshot-composition | 18:29 |
| ochosi | astraljava: just pushed a new branch to greybird with bright menus, happy testing! | 20:57 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Don't know when I get my xubuntu machine up and running, but thanks! :) | 21:08 |
| ochosi | astraljava: test it tomorrow @knome ;) | 21:08 |
| knome | astraljava, tomorrow at ours maybe. :) | 21:08 |
| astraljava | Sure. | 21:09 |
| knome | astraljava, http://typewith.me/p/xubuntu-qa-20120601 | 21:28 |
| ochosi | knome, astraljava: selected-panel-item with bright menu: http://imagebin.org/214665 | 22:08 |
| ochosi | the hover-effect on indicators and window-buttons is the same blue color btw | 22:09 |
| knome | ochosi, we need to add software-properties-gtk to settings manager | 22:44 |
| ochosi | knome: well, feel free to start a blueprint or bugreport so we can add items to that list | 22:44 |
| ochosi | there are so many more... | 22:44 |
| knome | Unit193, ^ | 22:44 |
| ochosi | (jockey, ...) | 22:44 |
| knome | Unit193, want to help? :) | 22:45 |
| Unit193 | <knome> that's something to add to the settings manager btw <--- I thought, alright, I've done it a few times, I know how to now. :D | 22:45 |
| Unit193 | knome: Yes I do. | 22:45 |
| knome | Unit193, would you like to gather a list of things we want to add to settings manager? | 22:45 |
| knome | Unit193, or even, list of things we *could* add to the settings manager | 22:46 |
| knome | Unit193, because yeah, it's rather easy to cherry-pick from those then :) | 22:46 |
| knome | it's really useful to have all the xubuntu wiki pages in history ;) | 22:49 |
| knome | Unit193, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps | 22:49 |
| knome | since our *current* strategy document doesn't talk about blueprints... | 22:52 |
| knome | i'm going to just escalate this to "approved" and create a blueprint for it. | 22:52 |
| ochosi | good | 22:52 |
| Unit193 | Running debsums now to figure out what I already edited. :P | 22:52 |
| knome | ;) | 22:52 |
| knome | i mean, even with the new proposed SD, it would only mean i'd need to ask lionel first.. :P | 22:53 |
| Unit193 | language-selector.desktop, jockey-gtk.desktop, time.desktop, users.desktop, alacarte.desktop, ubuntuone-installer.desktop(?) | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | zenmap, but that's unrelated. :P | 22:57 |
| ochosi | Unit193: configure wine? | 22:58 |
| knome | Unit193, feel free to add any - i think "installers" don't really belong in settings manager, but at this point every idea is welcome | 22:58 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: This is a list of things I've *already* changed. | 22:58 |
| ochosi | ah | 22:58 |
| ochosi | ok | 22:58 |
| ochosi | (and there's the pulseaudio-stuff, pavucontrol and the equalizer) | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | knome: Run ubuntuone-installer | 22:59 |
| knome | Unit193, NOOOOOO | 22:59 |
| knome | ;) | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | Poorly named. | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | It's installed, that's the config. | 22:59 |
| knome | mm-hhm | 23:01 |
| ochosi | afaik the config will be qt-only in 12.10 :( | 23:05 |
| ochosi | or wait, is it already in 12.04? | 23:05 |
| Unit193 | Well that's annoying for anything other than KDE, but as I require VLC, no problem. | 23:07 |
| knome | Unit193, there's now some stuff you should be aware of: | 23:09 |
| Unit193 | !info ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk quantal | 23:09 |
| ubottu | ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk (source: ubuntuone-control-panel): Ubuntu One Control Panel - transitional dummy package. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 1 kB, installed size 35 kB | 23:09 |
| knome | Unit193, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/Quantal lists you as the assignee (along with 'community') for this blueprint | 23:10 |
| knome | Unit193, it also has a link to the spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps (add any apps you think are worth adding here) | 23:10 |
| ochosi | !info ubuntu-one-control-panel-gtk precise | 23:10 |
| ubottu | Package ubuntu-one-control-panel-gtk does not exist in precise | 23:10 |
| knome | Unit193, and the blueprint itself is at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-settings-manager-launchers | 23:10 |
| ochosi | !info ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk precise | 23:10 |
| ubottu | ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk (source: ubuntuone-control-panel): Ubuntu One Control Panel - transitional dummy package. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 1 kB, installed size 35 kB | 23:10 |
| Unit193 | Depends: ubuntuone-control-panel-qt | 23:11 |
| knome | Unit193, there shouldn't be much more work items for the blueprint, but if there is, you can add them like the following example: | 23:11 |
| knome | Unit193, [launchpad-nick] What to do: STATUS | 23:11 |
| Unit193 | Yep, seen the style, thanks. | 23:11 |
| knome | Unit193, ok, good | 23:11 |
| knome | Unit193, but as i said, there shouldn't be many surprises. :) | 23:11 |
| Unit193 | (I read all the -team mail that comes in) | 23:12 |
| knome | Unit193, i'll try to get that blueprint approved for Q as soon as possible, so it shows up on status.ubuntu.com too | 23:12 |
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