[09:47] Hello, in my opinion the number of icons on the default Xubuntu desktop, is rather excessive. How about reducing that number a bit? [09:47] Removing the "removable devices" icons has some technical disadvantages, so maybe they better stay. The trash can icon is also useful on the desktop, I think. But perhaps the shortcuts for "Home" and "File System" can be disabled in the default settings? [09:47] shortcuts = icons [09:51] heh, home & filesystem are the only ones I keep on my desktop =P [09:55] i got Home, file system, trash and 2 shortcut :) [10:12] the number of items on the default desktop seems to be a really interesting issue to some... [10:12] somehow it pops up every now and then [10:12] maybe xubuntu is too good already, because people keep whining on such a high level :} [10:28] Indeed. Let's break it horribly for quantal, so people will have some real topics to discuss. *smirk* [10:31] :) [12:53] knome, im lost, what else im supposed to do on the wiki comparizon? [13:03] GridCube: what i'd expect from the comparison is something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMusicPlayer [13:03] or this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMailClient [13:13] GridCube: if you're thinking "yuck, this looks like a lot of work", then yes, i can confirm that :) (that's why there haven't been tons of real application comparisons) [13:18] :) [13:18] ok [13:20] welp, most of that can be copypasted :D [13:20] GridCube, don't [13:20] GridCube, please, you need to go through it yourself to be able to actually give a objective proposal [13:21] *an [13:21] and things are probably also better [13:21] also, if everything gets copypasted only, we'll end up with exaile again :) [13:21] hehe [13:22] well no i meant the part about use cases, thats pretty much the same [13:22] GridCube, i'd still say; please go through it yourself [13:22] knome, i am [13:22] GridCube, by all means use the old spec as a reference [13:23] GridCube, but don't copy-paste [13:23] it *is* hard work, especially if you want to stay objectibe [13:23] s/b/v/ [13:23] it just i dont feel like any of the work will actually matter because it feels like it has been decided that "i just dont like it" [13:23] in fact there are a few things i prefer structurally in the mailclient comparison, that's why i linked it as well [13:24] GridCube, to me, it looks like you have decided that you don't like gmb, and that's why you don't want to propose that as default [13:24] GridCube: that is fine as well, then we'll most likely stick to gmusicbrowser (there haven't really been many public complaints) [13:24] GridCube, don't let prejudice get you :) [13:25] GridCube, that's too easy - anbody can do that with *no* work [13:25] well in fact there's also the option to compile a list of proposed changes to gmusicbrowser. much can be dealt with at the layout-level [13:25] knome: which reminds me: click the search-icon > advanced search (that is in fact "create filter from search") [13:26] GridCube, ^ and we're actually working on making our layout more intuitive (there's even a blueprint for that) [13:26] (a shimmer project blueprint) [13:26] anyway, i got to go [13:26] i'll be back later today [13:26] see you! [13:26] seeya [13:27] ochosi, in order to do a comparison like the one in the mail client i would need to reduce the amount of option to 2 or 3 [13:27] GridCube: yes, i think you can try to rule out a few anyway [13:28] mmhm yes [13:28] no need to compare _all_ of them :) [13:28] but the thing is, there are music players, like audacious or like decibel, that "just play music", no default media library or anything, so what should i do then? [13:29] well i guess that's a big decision, should it be library-capable or not [13:29] rule them out? compare only media players that have music libraries? [13:29] because if we do that then we can simply tell people to use parole to play music [13:29] well ideally the music player would have both [13:30] yeah [13:30] parole is actually ok on the simple-playlist level [13:30] it's far from perfect [13:30] and have only one media player [13:30] yes [13:30] but maybe astraljava can help improve it a bit [13:30] personally i think it's good to have a separate music player [13:31] simply it's a very common usecase [13:31] *because [13:43] :/ well [13:47] I feel like a lot of the lightweight, Xfce-recommended players suffer from being ugly. http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps#multimediaplayback [13:47] Can we not have pretty and resource-friendly? :) [13:48] i think in this case something like beatbox would be an option [13:48] but i have no clue how stable it is atm [13:49] Haven't used it in a while. [13:49] me neither [13:55] Don't really have any music on this computer, but it handles podcasts well so far =) === bluesabre is now known as bluesabre_ [18:04] ochosi: Talking about parole? [18:05] astraljava: yeah. GridCube and me were talking about what the default music player should be able to do in xubuntu [18:05] and the basic playback/list thing is already covered by parole [18:05] so i argued that library-management wouldn't a bad basic feature [18:05] ochosi: Right on. I'm still at my bro's, I thought I'd end up at home earlier than yesterday... but he had beer. *smirk* [18:05] hehe [18:06] lucky you [18:06] So can't start working on it tonight either. :D [18:06] neither do i have a bro, nor do i have beer at home :'( [18:06] Tomorrow I'm talking rubbi^WQA stuff with gnome. [18:06] ah right [18:06] you mean in person? [18:11] Yep. They're cooking indian-style tortillas. :) [18:12] gah, you lucky bastard! [18:12] *smirk* [18:14] i can't help myself, this looks pretty fantastic imo: http://0rax0.deviantart.com/art/GNOME-Shell-eOS-262479724 [18:14] i mean the whole color-scheme seems pretty balanced [18:14] very bright though, no sure how it would be in everyday use [18:14] too much white [18:15] probably [18:15] thing is: this is just a shell-theme [18:15] true [18:15] so no idea what the gtk theme should look like [18:15] Not going to see that white very often [18:15] probably greybird would work well with it [18:16] i'm sometimes thinking about making greybird's menus white [18:16] mainly because it's easier to read [18:24] Well it looks really cool to me as well. [18:29] I'd love to make the xfce headers look like the "Home Applications System" towards the lower end of the screenshot-composition [20:57] astraljava: just pushed a new branch to greybird with bright menus, happy testing! [21:08] ochosi: Don't know when I get my xubuntu machine up and running, but thanks! :) [21:08] astraljava: test it tomorrow @knome ;) [21:08] astraljava, tomorrow at ours maybe. :) [21:09] Sure. [21:28] astraljava, http://typewith.me/p/xubuntu-qa-20120601 [22:08] knome, astraljava: selected-panel-item with bright menu: http://imagebin.org/214665 [22:09] the hover-effect on indicators and window-buttons is the same blue color btw [22:44] ochosi, we need to add software-properties-gtk to settings manager [22:44] knome: well, feel free to start a blueprint or bugreport so we can add items to that list [22:44] there are so many more... [22:44] Unit193, ^ [22:44] (jockey, ...) [22:45] Unit193, want to help? :) [22:45] that's something to add to the settings manager btw <--- I thought, alright, I've done it a few times, I know how to now. :D [22:45] knome: Yes I do. [22:45] Unit193, would you like to gather a list of things we want to add to settings manager? [22:46] Unit193, or even, list of things we *could* add to the settings manager [22:46] Unit193, because yeah, it's rather easy to cherry-pick from those then :) [22:49] it's really useful to have all the xubuntu wiki pages in history ;) [22:49] Unit193, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps [22:52] since our *current* strategy document doesn't talk about blueprints... [22:52] i'm going to just escalate this to "approved" and create a blueprint for it. [22:52] good [22:52] Running debsums now to figure out what I already edited. :P [22:52] ;) [22:53] i mean, even with the new proposed SD, it would only mean i'd need to ask lionel first.. :P [22:57] language-selector.desktop, jockey-gtk.desktop, time.desktop, users.desktop, alacarte.desktop, ubuntuone-installer.desktop(?) [22:57] zenmap, but that's unrelated. :P [22:58] Unit193: configure wine? [22:58] Unit193, feel free to add any - i think "installers" don't really belong in settings manager, but at this point every idea is welcome [22:58] ochosi: This is a list of things I've *already* changed. [22:58] ah [22:58] ok [22:59] (and there's the pulseaudio-stuff, pavucontrol and the equalizer) [22:59] knome: Run ubuntuone-installer [22:59] Unit193, NOOOOOO [22:59] ;) [22:59] Poorly named. [22:59] It's installed, that's the config. [23:01] mm-hhm [23:05] afaik the config will be qt-only in 12.10 :( [23:05] or wait, is it already in 12.04? [23:07] Well that's annoying for anything other than KDE, but as I require VLC, no problem. [23:09] Unit193, there's now some stuff you should be aware of: [23:09] !info ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk quantal [23:09] ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk (source: ubuntuone-control-panel): Ubuntu One Control Panel - transitional dummy package. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 1 kB, installed size 35 kB [23:10] Unit193, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/Quantal lists you as the assignee (along with 'community') for this blueprint [23:10] Unit193, it also has a link to the spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps (add any apps you think are worth adding here) [23:10] !info ubuntu-one-control-panel-gtk precise [23:10] Package ubuntu-one-control-panel-gtk does not exist in precise [23:10] Unit193, and the blueprint itself is at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-settings-manager-launchers [23:10] !info ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk precise [23:10] ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk (source: ubuntuone-control-panel): Ubuntu One Control Panel - transitional dummy package. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 1 kB, installed size 35 kB [23:11] Depends: ubuntuone-control-panel-qt [23:11] Unit193, there shouldn't be much more work items for the blueprint, but if there is, you can add them like the following example: [23:11] Unit193, [launchpad-nick] What to do: STATUS [23:11] Yep, seen the style, thanks. [23:11] Unit193, ok, good [23:11] Unit193, but as i said, there shouldn't be many surprises. :) [23:12] (I read all the -team mail that comes in) [23:12] Unit193, i'll try to get that blueprint approved for Q as soon as possible, so it shows up on status.ubuntu.com too