[02:51] <JontheEchidna> "So the official Oracle implementation of Java is new, now?"
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> "No, it's not new, it's ImplementationFactory.getInstance()"
[02:57] <rbelem> Darkwing, pong
[03:40] <Darkwing> rbelem: you get anything working?
[07:05] <apachelogger> "Don't forget the firmwares for Wifi, DVB-TV and so.."
[07:05] <apachelogger> I don't even get that
[07:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nice one :P
[07:25] <Riddell> hi all
[07:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: hello (:
[07:26] <Tm_T> Riddell: how was the time off? (:
[07:27] <Riddell> I'd like to say relaxing but being me I was doing other useful community activities :)
[07:27] <Tm_T> sounds familiar
[09:59] <afiestas> hey, anybody knows if fuse module is loaded on Kubuntu 12.04 ?
[09:59] <apachelogger> isn't that on-demand loaded?
[10:00] <apachelogger> i.e. if you load something using fuse the kernel mod is loaded
[10:01] <afiestas> apachelogger: if the user is in the correct group, yes
[10:06] <Riddell> afiestas: packages can add users to groups if needed I think
[10:06] <afiestas> installing an new Kubuntu oina virtualbox to be 100% sure it works
[10:07] <afiestas> The only kubuntu isntall I have is a highly modified one, it works tehre
[10:07] <afiestas> but maybe I added the user to fuse group time ago
[10:08] <Riddell> ubuntu installs gvfs-fuse which might have something to do with it
[10:08] <apachelogger> afiestas: should be working otherwise ntfs would not be working
[10:08] <apachelogger> afiestas: ntfs-3g is based on fuse
[10:09] <afiestas> not really, ntfs-3g is mounted by udev
[10:09] <afiestas> udev doesn't run as your user but as root
[10:10] <afiestas> the question is, Is a normal user able to mount fuse file systems by default on Kubuntu?
[10:10] <afiestas> I need that to do some magic starbuck1 ask me for :p
[10:11] <apachelogger> ah right
[10:12] <apachelogger> afiestas: terribly unlikely that a normal user can insert modules though
[10:12] <Riddell> there is a fuse group on my system, my user isn't in it
[10:12] <afiestas> it is weird, in Ubuntu my user isn-t in fuse group either
[10:12] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1017688/
[10:12] <afiestas> maybe ubuntu is doing the trick on someplace else
[10:13] <afiestas> GNOME uses it, there is a way
[10:13] <afiestas> :p
[10:13] <apachelogger> afiestas: well, gvfs might have to do with it
[10:13] <apachelogger> afiestas: well yes, if you polkit your way to a service that runs as a fuse user
[10:13] <afiestas> then I will polkit too
[10:13] <apachelogger> which generally speaking seems like the safer choice
[10:14] <apachelogger> afiestas: gvfs-fuse
[10:15] <apachelogger> exactly what I said :P
[10:15] <apachelogger> fuse mounts are run in a fusefied user and accessed via dbs
[10:15] <apachelogger> *dbus
[10:17] <afiestas> I know how gvfs works, question is still: How Ubuntu gvfs mounts gvfs-fuse ?
[10:17] <afiestas> via polkit? user?
[10:23] <Riddell> I guess you'd need to look at gvfs-fuse-daemon source to find that out
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:39] <afiestas> apachelogger: Riddellit works well out of the box
[10:40] <afiestas> just installed a new kubuntu, apt-get install fusesmb and use it
[10:41] <Riddell> cool
[10:54] <isemenov> Riddell: ping
[10:55] <isemenov> sorry for the delay, had to answer a phone call
[10:56] <Riddell> hi isemenov 
[10:56] <Riddell> isemenov: so what had we done already?
[10:56] <isemenov> so, if I recall correctly, a month ago we arranged to let me ping oyu when I would have time, and you'd take me through the process in a ubuntu vm
[10:56] <isemenov> nothing yet - I was busy with studies back then :)
[10:56] <Riddell> isemenov: remind me what you're working on that'll need packaged?
[10:57] <isemenov> kde-baseapps
[10:57] <isemenov> and in particular plasma-widget-folderview
[10:58] <Riddell> isemenov: let me set up a machine we can work on
[10:58] <isemenov> ok
[10:58] <Riddell> it'll take a few minutes
[10:58] <Riddell> isemenov: do you have some way of taking notes?
[10:59] <isemenov> well yes, of course
[11:05] <Riddell> isemenov: do you have a launchpad id?
[11:07] <isemenov> Riddell: yes, though I need to recall it, just sec
[11:07] <seaLne> does anyone happen to know all the places akonadi hides config? deleting ~/.local/share/akonadi and stuff in ~/.kde/share/apps didn't seem to get rid of it all. i'm trying to start from fresh in the hope of it not crashing after a second
[11:08] <Riddell> seaLne: ~/.cache will have some?
[11:08] <seaLne> dosen't seem to
[11:08] <Riddell> isemenov: ~ragnarokk91
[11:08] <Riddell> seaLne: ~/.config ?
[11:09] <Riddell> isemenov: ssh ec2-107-22-50-100.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[11:09] <Riddell> run byobu
[11:10] <seaLne> Riddell: ah .config has stuff
[11:10] <isemenov> Riddell: ok, thank you for the reminder
[11:11] <Riddell> isemenov: tell me when you've logged in
[11:12] <isemenov> Riddell: permission denied publickey
[11:12] <Riddell> isemenov: I added this key https://launchpad.net/~ragnarokk91/+sshkeys
[11:13] <isemenov> Riddell: my id_rsa.pub is identical
[11:13] <Riddell> sigh
[11:13] <isemenov> though I have done an os reinstall, but then copied the ~/.ssh folder over
[11:13] <Riddell> isemenov: what does ssh -c  say when you log in?
[11:13] <Riddell> ssh -v  rather
[11:14] <isemenov> it first sas signature correct
[11:15] <isemenov> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/491210/
[11:17] <Riddell> isemenov: try now, does it ask for a password?
[11:17] <isemenov> Riddell: no
[11:18] <isemenov> Riddell: I've re-uploaded the key to launchpad
[11:18] <Riddell> isemenov: ssh ubuntu@ec2-107-22-50-100.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[11:18] <isemenov> Riddell: works now!
[11:19] <isemenov> ok, now I will run byobu
[11:19] <Riddell> isemenov: groovy, you're in
[11:19] <Riddell> isemenov: so, what do you want to know?
[11:19] <Riddell> we can look at how to get the existing packaging
[11:19] <isemenov> Riddell: nice :) was the error on your side or my side?
[11:20] <Riddell> isemenov: user needed to be "ubuntu"
[11:20] <Riddell> we can look at how to build a package
[11:20] <isemenov> Riddell: my goal at the moment is to take an existing package, patch it, and re-package
[11:21] <Riddell> isemenov: we store our packaging in bzr so I guess checking that out is the first step
[11:21] <Riddell> bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps I think
[11:22] <Riddell> actually that might not work
[11:22] <Riddell> isemenov: but type that in see what it does
[11:22] <isemenov> Riddell: denied publickey again
[11:22] <isemenov> if that command was intended to be ran in byobu
[11:22] <Riddell> yeah I haven't uploaded my ssh keys onto this machine (so you don't steal them!)
[11:23] <Riddell> yep
[11:23] <Riddell> try  bzr branch instead of co
[11:23] <apachelogger> afiestas: fusesmb also does the same only without dbus :)
[11:24] <isemenov> Riddell: same thing
[11:24]  * apachelogger did not remember there was a fusesmb actually ^^
[11:24] <afiestas> apachelogger: ?
[11:26] <isemenov> Riddell: be back in 5 min ok? another phone call here. should be the last one
[11:26] <Riddell> ok
[11:27] <Riddell> isemenov: I've used http instead of ssh for the checkout, on your machine you probably want to set it up with ssh to launchpad working so you can push branches and changes
[11:29] <apachelogger> afiestas: fuse from user without fuse access
[11:29] <afiestas> without fuse access?
[11:32]  * Riddell lunches
[11:53] <isemenov_away> Riddell: let me apologise for the dealy, now I'm finally back
[11:54] <isemenov_away> >on your machine you probably want to set it up with ssh to launchpad working
[11:54] <isemenov_away> do you mean that packagers do use their own machines for packaging? are you using this cloud machine just ot be able to show me the process interactively?
[11:55] <Riddell> you can use whatever machine you want
[11:55] <isemenov_away> ok
[11:55] <Riddell> but it'll need ssh if you want to push the packaging branch to bzr (as we do in kubuntu packaging)
[11:56] <Riddell> and it'll need gpg if you want to sign the package needed before upload to ubuntu or a launchpad PPA
[11:56] <Riddell> this machine is so I can show you interactively, but I also use cloud machines quite a bit for packaging
[11:57] <Riddell> isemenov_away: have you seen what we branched from bzr ?
[11:57] <isemenov_away> yes
[11:57] <Riddell> isemenov_away: seen the patches directory?
[11:58] <Riddell> that's where patches go, they're managed by a tool called quilt so you can add new ones and apply and unapply them without getting too confused
[11:58] <Riddell> although quilt is another tool to learn
[11:59] <isemenov_away> ok
[11:59] <Riddell> isemenov_away: is that kubuntu_folderwidget_drawing.diff one a patch you're familiar with?
[12:01] <Riddell> "  * Add kubuntu_26_folderwidget_drawing.diff from upstream, fix
[12:01] <Riddell>     rendering of box on folderwidget
[12:01] <Riddell> "
[12:01] <Riddell> says the changelog
[12:01] <Riddell> isemenov_away: one of yours?
[12:01] <isemenov_away> Riddell: yes, seen it , should be mine
[12:01] <Riddell> groovy
[12:01] <isemenov_away> that one goes with qt 4.8.1 patched
[12:01] <isemenov_away> look in qt-x11 4.8.1 patches, should be there
[12:01] <isemenov_away> something with.. let's see.. qt-dnd-x11.cpp or similar
[12:02] <Riddell> kubuntu_33_shaped_drag.diff looks like it
[12:02] <Riddell>   * Add kubuntu_33_shaped_drag.diff fixes LP: #987855
[12:02] <Riddell>     "problem in Qt dragging when all of the window target has been
[12:02] <Riddell>      shaped out for input"
[12:03] <Riddell> isemenov_away: want to remove that patch as a first packaging task?
[12:04] <isemenov_away> Riddell: doesn;t quite look like it
[12:04] <isemenov_away> it is about using ARGB for the drag pixmap
[12:05] <Riddell> isemenov_away: so not this one? http://paste.kde.org/491228/
[12:05] <isemenov_away> Riddell: no, definitely not
[12:05] <Riddell> isemenov_away: this one? http://paste.kde.org/491240/
[12:05] <isemenov_away> Riddell: yep
[12:05] <Riddell>   * Add kubuntu_30_translucent_drag_pixmap.diff
[12:05] <Riddell>    - use a translucent drag pixmap if compositing is active
[12:05] <Riddell> isemenov_away: ok so we can remove the patch from the kubuntu packaging
[12:06] <Riddell> cd into kde-baseapps
[12:06] <Riddell> remove the file
[12:06] <isemenov_away> uhm why remove it?
[12:06] <Riddell> isemenov_away: because we don't need it any more
[12:06] <isemenov_away> it's nt accepted in qt 4 yet
[12:06] <isemenov_away> or is it?
[12:06] <Riddell> remove the kde-baseapps one
[12:06] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:06] <Riddell> since we have the qt one
[12:07] <isemenov_away> ahh gotcha
[12:07] <isemenov_away> or no wait
[12:07] <isemenov_away> the one in kde-baseapps is complemantary
[12:07] <Riddell> ok
[12:07] <Riddell> not to be removed then
[12:08] <isemenov_away> it enables the halos
[12:08] <Riddell> isemenov_away: let's do some kde-baseapps changes then
[12:08] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:08] <Riddell> isemenov_away: what kde-baseapps source do you want to use?
[12:08] <Riddell> this machine has kdelibs 4.8 so I don't know if 4.9 beta will work with it
[12:10] <isemenov_away> Riddell: well there are no unofficial patches for folderview yet, except.. there is one debug patch
[12:11] <isemenov_away> that's for some people xperiencing a particular bug, which I don't have
[12:11] <Riddell> isemenov_away: let's just play around
[12:11] <Riddell> isemenov_away: get the kde-baseapps source with  apt-get source kde-baseapps
[12:12] <isemenov_away> Riddell: is that root?
[12:13] <Riddell> I don't understand your question
[12:13] <Riddell> you just downloaded the kde-baseapps source and packaging from ubuntu 12.04
[12:13] <Riddell> ls  will reveal what's there
[12:13] <isemenov_away> noo, I mean, how do we run apt, is the user root?
[12:14] <Riddell> apt-get source  just downloads to current directory
[12:14] <Riddell> so no need for root
[12:14] <Riddell> apt-get install  will need root
[12:14] <isemenov_away> ok, I see
[12:17] <isemenov_away> Riddell: I'll give you the patch in a sec
[12:17] <Riddell> don't give it to me, add it yourself!
[12:18] <Riddell> look around the you just downloaded and I'll help you add it
[12:18] <isemenov_away> oh sure, I mean, it will be ready in a sec
[12:19] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:21] <isemenov_away> Riddell: ok, there it is
[12:22] <Riddell> isemenov_away: now we need to copy that packaging to the source we downloaded and hope it still works (the packaging is intended for 4.8.80 while the source is 4.8.0)
[12:22] <Riddell> isemenov_away: from the home dir go into kde-baseapps-4.8.3
[12:23] <Riddell> isemenov_away: that apt-get source downloads it and applies the current packaging and patches
[12:23] <Riddell> so remove those old patches with   quilt pop -a
[12:24] <isemenov_away> Riddell: why aren't they required any more?
[12:25] <isemenov_away> ok, done
[12:25] <Riddell> isemenov_away: because we want to remove the old packaging downloaded with the 4.8.3 source and replace it with the newer packaging we got out of bzr
[12:25] <Riddell> this might break as I say since they're intended for different kde-baseapps versions
[12:25] <Riddell> remove the debian/ directory
[12:26] <isemenov_away> done
[12:26] <Riddell> isemenov_away: and copy in the one from bzr in ~/kde-baseapps
[12:27] <Riddell> isemenov_away: see if the patches apply with   quilt push -a
[12:27] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:27] <isemenov_away> one failed
[12:27] <Riddell> damn they don't
[12:27] <Riddell> ok scrap this idea
[12:28] <Riddell> isemenov_away: start again
[12:28] <Riddell> apt-get source kde-baseapps
[12:28] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:29] <Riddell> isemenov_away: inside there add your patch again in debian/patches
[12:31] <isemenov_away> done
[12:31] <Riddell> isemenov_away: add the filename to debian/patches/series
[12:31] <Riddell> isemenov_away: on a separate line
[12:32] <Riddell> you missed the new line
[12:32] <Riddell> no no
[12:32] <Riddell> isemenov_away: in debian/patches/series
[12:34] <Riddell> isemenov_away: cd kde-baseapps-4.8.3
[12:34] <Riddell> isemenov_away: vi debian/patches/series
[12:35] <isemenov_away> Riddell: done I think
[12:36] <isemenov_away> I've messed up the name first, then got it correct
[12:36] <Riddell> ok sorted
[12:36] <Riddell> isemenov_away: now to see if it applies
[12:36] <Riddell> quilt push
[12:36] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:36] <Riddell> yay
[12:36] <Riddell> isemenov_away: now add a changelog entry
[12:36] <Riddell> dch -i
[12:37] <Riddell> and put in a human readable line to say added folderview-debug-scrollbar.diff to do foo
[12:37] <isemenov_away> just sec need to re-check the patch
[12:37] <isemenov_away> the descrition must be wrong.. let's see
[12:38] <isemenov_away> ok it's fine
[12:38] <isemenov_away> now ets' add a description
[12:38] <Riddell> groovy
[12:40] <Riddell> isemenov_away: mind and include the patch filename so we can grep for it later
[12:40] <isemenov_away> Riddell: oh its not vim.. how do I quit this dch?
[12:41] <Riddell> emacs :)
[12:41] <isemenov_away> ..
[12:41] <Riddell> just edit  debian/changelog manually now
[12:41] <isemenov_away> combo is?
[12:41] <Riddell> I quit it
[12:41] <isemenov_away> yes, how? 
[12:42] <Riddell> control-x control-c
[12:42] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:44] <Riddell> isemenov_away: nah quit that
[12:44] <Riddell> control-x control-c
[12:44] <Riddell> the template has already been added
[12:44] <Riddell> so just edit it manually with vi or whatever you prefer
[12:47] <isemenov_away> template.. whaere's that
[12:47] <Riddell> isemenov_away: debian/changelog
[12:48] <Riddell> that's the file we're editing
[12:48] <Riddell> dch -i just adds a handy template to the top of it
[12:48] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:49] <Riddell> add the filename
[12:49] <Riddell> fix the name and e-mail
[12:50] <Riddell> change the version number to 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1isemenov1
[12:50] <isemenov_away> ok
[12:50] <Riddell> and change the distro release back to precise from quantal
[12:51] <Riddell> groovy
[12:51] <isemenov_away> Riddell: ok, added
[12:51] <Riddell> save that
[12:51] <isemenov_away> how do I save the file?
[12:51] <Riddell> umm dunno, I don't use vi
[12:52] <isemenov_away> ah it's vim? ok thank you :)
[12:52] <isemenov_away> did you change it to vim for me?
[12:52] <Riddell> no you did
[12:52] <Riddell> you ran  vi debian/changelog
[12:52] <isemenov_away> oh.. sorry.. I'm a bit tired yoday, lagging a bit
[12:52] <isemenov_away> right I did that myself
[12:53] <Riddell> so now you are usually best advised to run a test compile
[12:53] <Riddell> make sure it all still works and makes .deb binary packages
[12:53] <Riddell> that'll take some time to compile I guess
[12:53] <Riddell> but not so long now that kdebase is split up
[12:53] <Riddell> debuild   is the command to start it
[12:53] <Riddell> and it'll probably complain about some missing build dependencies
[12:54] <isemenov_away> Riddell: see the error in the shell
[12:55] <Riddell> isemenov: yeah it's saying it needs a bunch of other packages to get it compiles
[12:55] <Riddell> there's a handy command that should help
[12:55] <Riddell> sudo /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends
[12:55] <Riddell> "Unmet build dependencies:" is the main line of interest there
[12:55] <isemenov> oh right
[12:56] <isemenov> just sec
[12:58] <Riddell> isemenov: groovy
[12:58] <Riddell> try a  debuild  again
[13:01] <Riddell> isemenov: that'll probably take a while, this is a cheap ec2 machine so not very fast
[13:01] <Riddell> isemenov: when it's done we need to check for new files (does your patch add any?) and that it still installs
[13:02] <isemenov> Riddell: nice, I need some 15 min to have lunch
[13:03] <Riddell> eat well
[13:03] <isemenov> Riddell: it dos not add new installation files, though when plasma-deskoi runs, it will create a file in ~/.kde.share
[13:03] <isemenov> ty :)
[13:29] <Riddell> isemenov_away: it's done compiling, now it needs to build the .deb binary packages which also takes a few minutes
[13:32] <isemenov_away> Riddell: nice
[13:32] <isemenov_away> are those messages errors or warnings?
[13:33] <Riddell> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: Can't extract name and version from library name `libkdeinit4_kfmclient.so'
[13:33] <Riddell> just warnings
[13:33] <Riddell> it is trying to get the binary symbols out of libraries which can be used for binary compatibility changes
[13:33] <Riddell> but that doesn't matter for kdeinit stubs
[13:34] <Riddell> shouldn't be long now
[13:39] <Riddell> isemenov: awooga
[13:39] <Riddell> that succeeded, it's just saying it can't do the digital signature because it doesn't have your gpg key
[13:40] <isemenov> Riddell: just sec, I'll be back
[13:41] <Riddell> isemenov: so to summarise so far, we downloaded the source package from precise
[13:41] <Riddell> we added a patch and used quilt to apply it
[13:41] <Riddell> we added a changelog entry to debian/changelog
[13:41] <Riddell> and built the package
[13:41] <Riddell> we should now have lots of .deb binary packages in ~
[13:51] <isemenov> Riddell: o I'm back
[13:51] <Riddell> isemenov: you can look into a .deb binary package with lesspipe
[13:51] <isemenov> so, this has all been done with your pre-setup machine
[13:52] <isemenov> nice
[13:52] <Riddell> it's just an ubuntu box like any other running 12.04 (precise)
[13:52] <Riddell> it's compiled against kdelibs from 12.04 so those package will only install with 12.04
[13:52] <Riddell> isemenov: cd debian  so we can take a look around
[13:53] <isemenov> Riddell: so we dont need chroot or anything like that?
[13:53] <isemenov> the guide I've seen at the ubunti packaging page included that - what you've been doing is a lot simpler than that
[13:53] <Riddell> isemenov: you don't /need/ a chroot but then it'll compile against what your main system is
[13:53] <Riddell> if your main system is what you want to compile against and you don't mind installing test packages on it that's fine
[13:53] <isemenov> Riddell: or, to be exact, against my configured environment
[13:54] <Riddell> a chroot is one way to work around that
[13:54] <Riddell> using an ec2 machine like this is another
[13:54] <isemenov> because if I have the full kde source tree here, and run KDE with a custom ~/.bashrc to use the local KDE installation
[13:54] <isemenov> that should be enough I guess
[13:55] <isemenov> just switch to KDE/4.8 in all the directories and build
[13:55] <Riddell> isemenov: .deb packages can only install into /usr
[13:55] <Riddell> unless you do a lot of fiddling
[13:56] <isemenov> Riddell: correct
[13:56] <isemenov> but can I *build( them in my environent?
[13:56] <Riddell> yep
[13:56] <Riddell> but to test them you'd need to install them
[13:56] <isemenov> then I will install tehm onto the main system, and log into the main user, running from /
[13:56] <Riddell> which is into /usr
[13:56] <Riddell> yes
[13:56] <Riddell> I do that a lot but it's a slight risk if you install say a faulty kdelibs
[13:57] <isemenov> well.. then I can use a vm
[13:57] <Riddell> that's another way yes
[13:57] <Riddell> isemenov: so you could scp that plasma folderview .deb to a local system and install it and test it, assuming you have a system with kubuntu 12.04 on it
[13:58] <Riddell> there's a few things we can do on this ec2 machine to test it's in good order
[13:58] <Riddell> we can also build the source packge and upload it to a PPA (which needs gpg signing and a PPA to put it into)
[13:59] <isemenov> ok, could you elaborate on the PPA way one please
[13:59] <isemenov> *way please
[13:59] <isemenov> I'll have to do that soon
[13:59] <Riddell> isemenov: do you know what a PPA is?
[14:00] <isemenov> well it's a package repository that you can request at launchpad
[14:00] <isemenov> and they will keep it running for you, AFAIU
[14:01] <Riddell> yep, we could put it into mine
[14:01] <isemenov> I think I had created one long time ago
[14:01] <Riddell> there's none on https://launchpad.net/~ragnarokk91
[14:02] <Riddell> we could also put it into https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/lab
[14:02] <isemenov> now to run a PPA, I need a gpg signature set up. correct?
[14:03] <Riddell> the source package needs signed before being uploaded yes
[14:03] <Riddell> you're not currently in the cyberspace team
[14:04] <Riddell> I can add you to it if you think you can sign the package yourself
[14:04] <isemenov> well just show me how to do that
[14:05] <Riddell> do you have a gpg key?
[14:05] <isemenov> do I need any permissions or approval?
[14:05] <isemenov> I think I don't
[14:05] <isemenov> at least I have not done any gpg set up on my machine
[14:05] <Riddell> mm, I think I last did it a decade ago
[14:06] <Riddell> isemenov: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[14:06] <Riddell> see "Using GPG to manage OpenPGP keys"
[14:08] <isemenov> ok
[14:14] <afiestas> mmm codec install in Amarok
[14:14] <afiestas> doesn't seem to work on 12.04
[14:14] <afiestas> it always says "MPEG-blabalbal you need codecs" I click on search it seems to install something
[14:14] <afiestas> then I try to reproduce, and I'm asked again
[14:15] <afiestas> I haven't updated kubuntu, so maybe repos are outdated
[14:15]  * afiestas tries rebooting
[14:20] <afiestas> worked after reboot
[14:20] <Ezim> afiestas, thats windows problem solving or hoping :).
[14:21] <afiestas> windows problem?
[14:21] <Ezim> afiestas, yes... rebooting :)
[14:21] <agateau> Riddell: hey, I am trying to fix an FTBFS for massif-visualizer on quantal arm: I have the fix, but last time I tried to build it in my cowbuilder arm, qmake segfaulted :/
[14:21] <agateau> Riddell: should I just get the fix in and cross fingers? :) (it's your usual qreal vs double bug)
[14:23] <Riddell> agateau: quite possibly, it's not well tested
[14:24] <Riddell> agateau: I can't think of any other way
[14:24] <Riddell> I don't know what the cowbuilder is
[14:24] <Riddell> you could also see if ScottK has arm machines to log into
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: it's like pbuilder, but does copy-on-write
[14:25] <agateau> Riddell: related to that, I created a packaging bzr branch for massif-visualizer: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/+junk/massif-visualizer+trunk . how do I turn it into the official packaging branch?
[14:27] <Riddell> by using it :)
[14:27] <Riddell> add this to debian/control
[14:27] <Riddell> Vcs-Browser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kwallet
[14:27] <Riddell> Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kwallet
[14:27] <Riddell> or the equivalent
[14:28] <Riddell> keeping it under +junk it's very professional looking :)
[14:28] <Riddell> you could have it under the kubuntu-packaging project if you think that's a useful place for it
[14:29] <Riddell> you could find a team to put it under if you want to have more people be able to commit to it, ~kubuntu-packagers (but I don't think you're in that) or ~kubuntu-members or ~cyberspace or whatever
[14:31] <agateau> Riddell: kubuntu-packaging looks appropriate indeed
[14:31] <Riddell> are you a member?
[14:31] <agateau> not sure
[14:31]  * agateau checks
[14:31] <Riddell> oh yes all kubuntu-members are
[14:31] <agateau> yup
[14:32] <Riddell> and pick a suitable project too
[14:32] <agateau> so I should push it to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/massif-visualizer?
[14:32] <Riddell> if it a kubuntu package?
[14:32] <agateau> yes, it's the package I created during my rotation in desktop team last cycle
[14:32] <agateau> it's in precise
[14:32] <Riddell> yeah but is it part of KDE?
[14:33] <agateau> massif-visualizer is a kde frontend to massif
[14:33] <Riddell> ok go for it then
[14:33] <agateau> ok
[14:41] <starbuck1> whats massif? :)
[14:41] <agateau> starbuck1: a valgrind tool to monitor memory usage
[14:43] <starbuck1> who/what is valgrind?
[14:43] <starbuck1> http://valgrind.org/
[14:43] <starbuck1> ?
[14:43] <agateau> starbuck1: that's it
[14:48] <ScottK> arm boxes are up.
[14:50] <agateau> ScottK: cool, how can I test a package there?
[14:50] <ScottK> Give me a .dsc and I'll try to build it is simplest, but I will only be here on and off today.
[14:51] <Daviey> ScottK: Are the arm boxes going to be exposed to other MOTU's at some point?
[14:52] <ScottK> We have some for Kubuntu dev's and some for MOTU, but the MOTU boxes are dead at the moment.
[14:52] <ScottK> I need to get them fixed.
[14:53] <agateau> ScottK: ok, otherwise I just put the package in a bzr branch if it's simpler
[14:54] <ScottK> Grabbing a .dsc is easier for me, just not right at the moment.
[14:56] <Riddell> didrocks: I see you did bug 357235, can you point me to some code that gets ssh keys?
[14:57] <Riddell> didrocks: cos I can't work out how to do it from launchpadlib
[14:58] <agateau> ScottK: ok, sent to you by email
[15:23] <agateau> debfx: hi, fyi: just released plasma-widget-menubar 0.1.18, which contains the fix for your crash-at-startup bug
[15:40] <didrocks> Riddell: sure, one sec :)
[15:43] <didrocks> launchpad.me.gpg_keys is a collection of gpg keys
[15:44] <didrocks> I think I did the same for ssh keys, (I only used the gpg key in quickly, but exposed both IIRC)
[15:45] <didrocks> Riddell: yep, it's the same with ssh keys: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#ssh_key launchpad.me.ssh_keys is what you look for
[15:55] <ScottK> agateau: Need to set up the box to build for quantal first, so it'll be a bit.
[15:55] <agateau> ScottK: sure, no problem
[16:12] <debfx> agateau: my bug? I've never used the global menubar
[16:13] <agateau> debfx: mmm
[16:13] <agateau> debfx: I must have mixed user names
[16:21] <agateau> ok, now with the correct nickname,
[16:21] <agateau> Tm_T: hi, fyi: just released plasma-widget-menubar 0.1.18, which contains the fix for your crash-at-startup bug
[16:22]  * Darkwing sighs
[16:22] <Darkwing> why is the open source world so full of consipiricy people??
[16:22] <agateau> sorry debfx, I shouldn't have trusted my memory :)
[16:22] <agateau> s/open source//
[16:22] <kubotu> agateau: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[16:23] <Darkwing> Every time I push a community update all I get is "How does Blue Systems make money and why are they helping"
[16:23] <jussi> its a good question... :D
[16:24] <Darkwing> Yeah but, this is too far... http://www.wonderly.com/2012/05/kubuntu-updates/#comment-220
[16:25] <jussi> dude, what is that guy on?
[16:25]  * Darkwing wants to start handing out tin-foil hats
[16:36] <BluesKaj> Huh?
[16:50] <apachelogger> I think the CIA is involved
[16:57] <jussi> apachelogger: you say that everytime...
[17:11] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, as AmerCIA :)
[17:11] <ScottK> agateau: Build is started.
[18:45]  * Mamarok wonders why she is the only one running or Kubuntu council :(
[18:45] <Mamarok> could we give that another announcement, please?
[18:45] <Mamarok> deadline is next weekend already
[18:50] <Riddell> Mamarok: me too!
[18:50] <Riddell> Mamarok: blog it?
[18:50] <Mamarok> Riddell: heya, welcome back :)
[18:50] <Mamarok> I am about to :)
[18:52] <Riddell> Mamarok: your blog is on planet ubuntu right?
[18:57] <Mamarok> it is, yes
[19:10] <Mamarok> Riddell: can I reuse your canoe pic you used for the 9.10 announcement? Caption: We Need You!
[19:11] <Riddell> Mamarok: sure
[19:12] <Mamarok> could you resend it? It's not on your people.coanonical.com space anymore ;)
[19:12] <Riddell> Mamarok: do you know the filename
[19:12] <Riddell> ?
[19:13] <Mamarok> canoe.jpg it was
[19:13] <yofel> Riddell's back \o/
[19:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/canoe.jpg
[19:13]  * yofel gives Darkwing a hug - good post IMO
[19:13] <Riddell> hi yofel 
[19:13] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks a lot :)
[19:14] <yofel> er, yours, not #220
[19:29]  * Mamarok could need some support: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyriamSchweingruber
[19:30] <highvoltage> what are you applying for, Mamarok?
[19:33] <Mamarok> highvoltage: well, the Kubuntu Council :)
[19:33] <highvoltage> aah
[19:33] <Mamarok> Riddell: blogged: http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/archives/551
[19:37] <genii-around> If there's 12 members in the council what number is considered quorum?
[19:40] <genii-around> Ah, I need more coffee. 
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: the post still doesn't answer some of the questions raised by the comments in your blog :P
[19:42] <shadeslayer> though something is better than nothing :)
[19:42] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: seen my comment?
[19:42] <yofel> oh, 4.8.4 uploaded
[19:42] <yofel> I'll update the pad if anyone wants to work on it
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: the one about you running for KC?
[19:43] <Mamarok> no, on drakwings blog
[19:43] <shadeslayer> nope
[19:44] <shadeslayer> I don't see your comment here : http://www.wonderly.com/2012/05/kubuntu-community-update/#comments
[19:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://dot.kde.org/2012/05/31/meet-blue-systems%E2%80%94akademy-2012-platinum-sponsor doesn't help as well :P
[19:45] <Mamarok> funny, I am sure I left a comment
[19:47] <shadeslayer> Maybe it triggered the spam filter or sth
[19:48] <Mamarok> ah, wait, wrong blog entry, my comment is on the previous blog entry
[19:48] <shadeslayer> checking
[19:48] <Mamarok> "What makes you think the government is involved? Why not think of a philanthropist? Shuttleworth is not the only wealthy individual interested in Free Software out there "
[19:48] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:48] <Mamarok> AFAIK Clemens is from a very wealthy family from the food business in Germany
[19:49] <jtechidna> From what I've heard, he made his fortunes managing a meat packaging facility
[19:49] <shadeslayer> Best. Conspiracy. Theory. Ever
[19:49] <Mamarok> one of the big meat producing factories
[19:50] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: and no, the family background is not a conspiracy :)
[19:50] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nah, I was talking about Blue Systems being a shell company etc
[19:50] <jtechidna> they will put subliminal messages in the ksplash theme so that everybody will buy their hotdogs :P
[19:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:50] <Mamarok> ah, you mean the "government is behind it" one? Yeah, good laugh
[19:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:51] <jtechidna> then once the world is dependent on Germany's hotdogs
[19:51] <jtechidna> they will be cut off and at Germany's mercy!
[19:51] <shadeslayer> one of the more hilarious theories behind Blue Systems though :P
[19:52] <shadeslayer> also, I'm woefully ignorant of about 80% of the Ubuntu community :(
[19:53] <shadeslayer> alright, back to studies, cya 
[19:53] <shadeslayer> wendar: fwiw you can now use nvflash with SBKv2 devices, see androidroot.mobi :D
[19:54] <shadeslayer> There's also a modified OLife image that you can use to properly flash ubuntu and dual boot and stuff
[20:04] <genii-around> Is there a way to get Kubuntu to use apport instead of kcrash ?
[20:04] <yofel> there's some env var to disable drkonqi
[20:05] <yofel> !ninjas
[20:05] <yofel> I've updated the pad for 4.8.4 for those that want to work on it, and added both calligra updates too
[20:06] <yofel> genii-around: one of these: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables#Troubleshooting_and_Debugging
[20:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: which tablet do you have again?
[20:11] <genii-around> yofel: Thanks
[20:25] <Mamarok> can somebody please close bug 110502? It is totally outdated and about a version we don't ship nor support anymore since quite some time
[20:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: ASUS Transformer ( TF101 is the model name )
[21:02] <Mamarok> bug 369970 should be closed as Wont Fix, we don not support Amarok 1.x anymore since 10.2009...
[21:02] <Mamarok> and even longer so upstream.
[21:03] <Mamarok> who has rights enough to close these two as wont fix?
[21:04]  * micahg wonders why it didn't expire
[21:04] <micahg> oh, right, not 2 months yet
[21:05] <Mamarok> well, somebody commented on it with a totally unrelated comment
[21:05] <micahg> Mamarok: no, they tested it and said it was likely fixed :)
[21:07] <Mamarok> which is totally unrelated, they didn't test version 1.4.10 which was the last of the 1.x series. Amarok 2.x has a different codebase, that bug never was in Amarok 2.x
[21:07] <Mamarok> so that test is useless
[21:07] <micahg> umm, for the bugsquad person triaging the bug, the fact that the bug never existed in 2.x was unknown 
[21:08] <micahg> so, that person did the right thing
[21:08] <Mamarok> well, that is one more reasonto not have those bugs in launchpad anymore
[21:08] <Mamarok> micahg: asking doesn't hurt, even for triagers
[21:08] <micahg> well, general Kubuntu policy AIUI is to not have KDE bugs in LP unless they are integration bugs
[21:09] <Mamarok> one more reason to have this closed, especially since this bug is obsolete since more than 2 years :)
[21:10] <micahg> Mamarok: so, I'd suggest marking it invalid as you say the 2.x code base was never affected (and that's all we have in lucid+)
[21:10] <Mamarok> OK, will do
[21:10] <micahg> hardy is the only release available with 1.4 and it's not supported on the desktop anymore anyways
[21:11] <Mamarok> OK, done for both
[21:17] <Mamarok> so what with the reports that shouldn't be in launchpad anymore like bug 894496, how can I remove the amarok (Ubuntu) reference? the upstream bug is reference already
[21:19] <micahg> Mamarok: you need bug control permissions to do that I think
[21:19] <Mamarok> I marked it as invalid with a comment
[21:20] <micahg> and that person has been asked not to make frankenbugs like that
[21:20] <micahg> no, I meant to remove the task
[21:20]  * micahg does that
[21:21] <Mamarok> ah, right, these multi-package bugs are annoying indeed
[21:21] <micahg> done
[22:09]  * apachelogger thought he'd never get out of uni today -.-
[22:20] <apachelogger>  Ravi K Sharma is no kubuntu member FWIW
[22:25] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I know, that's why I said "all Kubuntu members"
[22:26] <apachelogger> kk ^^
[22:28] <Mamarok> btw: Riddell, ScottK: I hope you run again, don't you
[22:29] <apachelogger> they already renominated
[22:29]  * Mamarok wonders what became of neversfelde, haven't seen him in a while
[22:29] <apachelogger> somewhere up the thread I think
[22:31] <Mamarok> renominated how? must have missed then when my mail resend went berserk
[22:32] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-May/006101.html
[22:33] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-May/006096.html
[22:33] <Mamarok> yep, that never ended in my inbox though, I wonder what went wrong there
[23:08] <ScottK> agateau: It built.
[23:14]  * ScottK breaks bits of the CoC all over Darkwing's blog.
[23:16] <apachelogger> hope you are proud of yourself
[23:16]  * apachelogger waves fist
[23:37] <benonsoftware> hi
[23:49] <Riddell> hi benonsoftware 
[23:53]  * micahg supports ScottK's comment :)
[23:53] <micahg> FWIW of cource