[01:54] <veebull> Unit193, Found the problem.
[01:54] <Unit193> Ah! What'd you have?
[01:55] <veebull> somehow - and I have no idea how, as it was literally a fresh install, booted it up and opend lxterminal...
[01:55] <veebull> the checkbox for 'main' repos in software-properties-gtk was *un-checked*
[01:55] <veebull> apparently that somehow over-rides /etc/apt/sources.list?!?
[01:56] <Unit193> /etc/apt/preferences.d/ /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ could be
[01:56] <veebull> checked that box, ran 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and suddenly there was a whole poop-load of packages with updates ;)
[01:57] <veebull> plus I could install 'main' stream packages like vim-gtk, openssh-server, etc.
[01:57] <veebull> all seems to be functioning normally now
[01:57] <veebull> Interesting thread on it @ askubuntu.com that covers it more or less:
[01:57] <veebull> http://askubuntu.com/questions/140246/how-do-i-resolve-unmet-dependencies
[01:58] <Unit193> Wow, I do not like that it overrides the main list.  I'll have to check what it modified.
[01:59] <veebull> yah... that was somewhat of a shocker to me.  and like I said... I'm *pretty* sure I didn't un-check that box... hadn't really had an opportunity yet, but no idea how else it might have occurred.
[02:04] <Unit193> Weird, mine was edited in sources.list...
[11:01] <JainAmber> Hello
[11:02] <JainAmber> What is the name of the program used to create bootable (L)ubuntu USB drives?
[11:03] <JainAmber> I guess 'usb-creator-gtk' (?)
[11:06] <JainAmber> Thanks to apt-cache search, 'usb-creator-gtk' was what I was looking for ...
[11:15] <Unit193> Yep, that's the default one.
[12:09] <bolosaur> Hi.
[12:09] <bolosaur> I recently installed lubuntu
[12:09] <bolosaur> and it keeps crashing all the time.
[12:09] <bolosaur> The program manager always crashes when I launch it, and aside from that the system itself just keeps crashing randomly.
[12:09] <bolosaur> Are there any other lightweight distros I can try?
[12:10] <LordOfTime> you realize "crashes" always have reasons for happening, right?  if you stick around long enough, someone can come around and explain how/what to do
[12:10] <LordOfTime> as well, this is why live images are useful...
[12:10] <LordOfTime> boot into the environment, see if it works or dies on your hardware
[12:11] <bolosaur> I installed it on a VMware guest machine.
[12:12] <bolosaur> I've been able to run Ubuntu, Mint, Windows 7, DOS and Windows 8 perfectly fine on the same machine.
[12:12] <bolosaur> So I'm sure the platform is somewhat OK to run a linux distro on.
[12:12] <bolosaur> Basically it's been crashing a lot ever since I installed it.
[12:42] <epzil0n> hello folks, just installed Lubuntu 12.04 and i love it, works great on my netbook :)
[12:43] <epzil0n> wonder about one thing though, if i find a PPA for say Firefox Aurora for Ubuntu 12.04 will the same PPA work on Lubuntu too?
[12:46] <Unit193> Yep, though you'll have to  make sure it's a good ppa.
[12:47] <epzil0n> well i hope so, it's for Firefox Aurora and i checked for it on several sites and it's the same one :P
[12:50] <epzil0n> One other thing that puzzles me is about the network manager, i was trying to install Debian LXDE but that one could never connect to my wi-fi interface, i believed that LXDE was using the same manager for all distributions but appearently
[12:50] <epzil0n> not..
[12:51] <epzil0n> as far as i can see Lubuntu uses the gnome network manager right?
[12:51] <Unit193> nm-applet, yep.
[12:52] <epzil0n> hmm, odd that it was not present in Debian LXDE then.. well i'm happy with Lubuntu so doesn't really matter anymore :)
[12:57] <epzil0n> so it uses network-manager and network-manager-gnome, saw that now when i'm trying to get my vpn service up and running and need pptp support
[14:44] <mi3> hi!
[15:55] <theshadow> Alright, yesterday I was able to get my vostro laptop screen with a second screen connected via HDMI to output correctly, today I'm trying to get my third screen connected via VGA to work but all I get is "xrandr: cannot find crtc for output HDMI1" in the Display Settings the "DVI Monitor" is unchecked for "Turn On" and if I check it and apply nothing happens. Does anyone have any idea how I can debug
[15:55] <theshadow>  this?
[16:17] <Bulletrulz> I AM PISSED
[16:17] <Bulletrulz> stupid ubuntu channel kicking people
[16:18] <Bulletrulz> all i  said is i hate steve jobs
[16:18] <Bulletrulz> anyone here
[16:20] <Unit193> theshadow: Have you tried using something more like arandr?
[16:22] <Unit193> !appeals |You know about this?
[17:11] <theshadow> Unit193: yes, it's the one reporting the error from xrandr.
[18:40] <rolandb> am i safe to assume that adding a lubuntu install to a USB stick just requires a seperate partition and a GRUB edit?
[18:46] <rolandb> is replacing pcmanfm a good idea?
[18:48] <holstein> rolandb: if you dont like pcmanfm, id say its a good idea.. not really any reason to "replace" it... just install and use whatever you prefer
[18:49] <holstein> rolandb: you should be able to install to whatever hard drive you choose, should that me a USB stick or whatever you like
[18:50] <rolandb> will nautilus work or...?
[18:52] <holstein> rolandb: sure.. but i find by the time you trade big things back in to LXDE, you might as well just run one of the other DE's
[18:58] <rolandb> well its just that pcmanfm has quite a few annoying bugs
[18:59] <rolandb> size on disk and hanging when dragging from archives... so i wanna change it. is there another lightweight fm that works good?
[18:59] <holstein> lots of them... i think thunar is one of the big ones
[18:59] <subman> I have dual monitors and they work just fine, but I have to make adjustments in ARandR every time I boot up.  Is there a way to make the changes permanent?
[19:01] <rolandb> holstein, am I gonna have to change my panels or do anything cuz of xfce?
[19:01] <holstein> subman: maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xrandr#Making_xrandr_changes_persistent
[19:02] <holstein> rolandb: XFCE is not LXDE.. so if you change from LXDE to XFCE, yes, that would be changing panels and more
[19:02] <holstein> rolandb: i would literally just not use pcmanfm... and use another fm in LXDE
[19:04] <rolandb> holstein, and I can do that with thunar ya?
[19:04] <subman> holstein, thanks, but it doesn't really explain in depth how to do it.  Just the concept really.
[19:10] <holstein> subman: there are a few options there... i personally would just set it.. you can also try grabbing the xorg.conf from a live CD after you get it the way you want it.. sometimes i do that with knoppix
[19:10] <holstein> rolandb: you can install and use thunar if you like.. sure
[19:14] <subman> holstein, Yeah, I guess I'll just stick to doing it manually every reboot.
[19:16] <holstein> subman: just know how to move/edit that xorg.conf if you break something, and it wont hurt to experiment around
[19:17] <subman> holstein, yes but I have no idea on how to get the information for my specific hardware to put in there.
[19:18] <holstein> subman: i use a live CD.. such as knoppix
[19:21] <subman> holstein, Not sure I understand how a live CD will be different then trying to set it up in Lubuntu
[19:22] <holstein> subman: i fire up knoppix... configure the graphics... copy the xorg.conf and put it in place in the ubuntu install
[19:23] <subman> what do you mean by 'configure the graphics'?  Are there some special tools in knoppix not available in Lubuntu?  Or are you doing that just to be safe with your Lubuntu installation
[19:24] <holstein> subman: i do that because it works... the tools write a functional xorg.conf file
[19:24] <subman> holstein, ah, so it is different.
[19:25] <holstein> there are ways to do that in lubuntu/ubuntu, from the recovery console.. from the terminal, but it didnt work for me as well as just using knoppix and editing as needed
[19:25] <holstein> subman: the tools are the same
[19:29] <Farinet> Good evening
[19:31] <Farinet> Just a question: When i understand right, hibernation means the computer suspends to disk (writes a file with the actual state to the disk), correct?
[19:32] <Farinet> Now, with lubuntu 12.04 (intel), i've the problem, that the computer hangs while it reads the file from disk. Can i change or check something in a related config file, by instance?
[19:32] <Farinet> TIA a lot!
[19:37] <holstein> not sure.. i dont usually hibernate.. i feel like it takes the same amount of time as just shutting down, and thats all i was interested in was the time savings
[19:37] <holstein> Farinet: is the hard drive tested OK?
[19:37] <Farinet> yes
[19:38] <Farinet> As for the time needed you're right, but hibernation - at least for me - sometimes is useful to save an actual work state . . .
[19:39] <holstein> maybe you are expecting to much from the current swap space?
[19:40] <holstein> AFAIK, hibernate saves the ram state to swap space, or something like that
[19:40] <Farinet> ah ... the file is written to the swap partition?
[19:40] <holstein> Farinet: the ram state, AFAIK
[19:41] <holstein> maybe read something like http://chriseiffel.com/everything-linux/step-by-step-how-to-get-hibernate-working-for-linux-ubuntu-11-04-mint-11/
[19:41] <Farinet> Well, if suspending to ram (in my case = 2 gig) works, suspend to swap should work as well (swap is bigger!)
[19:42] <holstein> in theory
[19:42] <subman> holstein, Is there somewhere one can make a request to have some kind of even semi-automatic way developed for Lubuntu that makes it easy for the common, everyday user to add a second monitor and have the settings stay permanent?  Surly XRandR could be modified to do so?
[19:43] <holstein> subman: im sure there is a mailing list.. but xorg.conf is the way to do it.. it works... and arandr works well
[19:44] <subman> holstein, I understand that but not easy for the common user at all.  arandr works great but must be done every reboot.
[19:44] <subman> See what I'm getting at?
[19:44] <holstein> well, lubuntu is arguably for "the common user"
[19:45] <subman> That's what I thought.  Modifying xorg.conf is not a common user solution.
[19:45] <subman> Hey, just my thoughts.
[19:45] <holstein> for me, i dont expect this functionality from LXDE
[19:45] <subman> Ah, that could be.  I could be a more unique case for Lubuntu users
[19:46] <holstein> if i want dual montiors, im usually on a system that doesnt need "light"
[19:46] <holstein> but, thats just me
[19:46] <holstein> subman: you want a tool, ask for one, but im pretty sure the answer will be something like "there are tools" or, "feel free and write one"
[19:46] <subman> Yeah, thought so.  Thanks for your help though, greatly appreciated.
[19:47] <holstein> subman: try the mailing list though... im not subscibed to the lubuntu one
[19:47] <subman> No, I'm sure you are right.
[19:48] <subman> Distro does not match my requirements, that's all.  No big problem.
[19:49] <holstein> well, for now it might not
[19:50] <subman> Oh I won't scrap it.  It will still be installed.
[19:51] <subman> And it's not like I reboot 5 times a day.  It is just a pita when I do have to do it.
[19:51] <subman> I've found I cannot live without at least two monitors anymore!
[19:51] <holstein> subman: we are using arandr in ubuntustudio, and talking aobut how to make those settings persistent
[19:52] <holstein> its been on my list of things to help test, ive just been busy for a few months
[19:52] <subman> holstein, what does ubuntu do differently?
[19:52] <holstein> subman: i dont know the specifics enough to answer that
[19:53] <holstein> not intelligently at least ;)
[19:54] <subman> You cannot use Xorg -configure because the display is in use, correct?
[19:55] <holstein> subman: you can, but that never gave me good results like i got with knoppix
[19:55] <holstein> that was 10.04 with gnome though
[19:56] <subman> I get the following:
[19:56] <subman> Fatal server error:
[19:56] <subman> Server is already active for display 0
[19:56] <subman> 	If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[19:56] <subman> 	and start again.
[19:56] <subman> Ops, sorry about htat
[19:56] <holstein> you can do it from the recover kernel i know
[19:56] <holstein> recovery*
[19:56] <Unit193> !xorg
[19:56] <holstein> doesnt matter... you just need an xorg.conf, and thats over in ubuntu
[19:57] <holstein> well, not over, but not really used like it was
[19:57] <Unit193> Bah, meant xorgconf
[19:57] <holstein> Unit193: hello!
[19:57] <Unit193> Hello, I was just in the other channel(s). :P
[19:59] <Farinet> holstein: thanks for the link. I#ll check that out
[20:02] <subman> !xorgconf
[23:37] <benonsoftware> hi