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jbichaooh, ubuntu.com is down00:30
marcoceppiweird. Didn't know ubuntu.com used Drupal00:33
jbichamarcoceppi: quick, write a charm for ubuntu.com! ;)00:34
dholbachgood morning07:09
czajkowskiello folks08:22
nigelb*whee* http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012053117252245908:40
mhall119breaking news: US judge makes sensible judgement on copyright case12:10
JanCor: sensible judge makes judgement on copyright case12:14
JanC;)12:14
JanCmhall119: not all that surprising considering the judge previously said he had some programming experience, but not with Java12:17
mhall119yeah, anybody with any programming knowledge will understand the need to reproduce APIs12:30
mhall119I would *love* to know what went through the Oracle legal team's minds when they found out he was a programmer12:30
mhall119oh nice, there's a Humble Bundle widget on https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/limbo/ now12:32
JanCI think Oracle's legal team already lost the SCO case in the past  ;)12:35
snap-lI'm sure Oracle will appeal that they needed a MBA as a judge, not a filty hippie developer13:24
marcoceppijono: when do you need the accomplishment files for AU done by?14:09
marcoceppiIn order to make it in to the 0.2 release14:10
jonomarcoceppi, Tuesday14:10
marcoceppijono: cool, I'll see if we can't have them done by the weekend14:10
jonomarcoceppi, thanks so much!14:11
jcastroI'll be able to do some today after I get 2 things out of the way14:26
marcoceppijcastro: yeah, I've been sneaking a few in here and there when time presents itself14:27
jcastroheh I'm opposite14:28
jcastroI don't want to sneak them in I want to do each one detailed in one go14:28
marcoceppiI wish I had time to sit and do them all14:30
jcastrothe fun things always happen in the middle of something busy14:32
jcastroheh14:32
jcastrothis would have been real fun in the lul the last few days after UDS, where my brain is more jelly14:32
jcastrohtorque is working on a few right now14:33
jcastro<314:33
jcastrojono: ^14:33
jononice!14:34
jonomarcoceppi, jcastro btw, I merged the branch into lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments so make your merge proposal into that14:35
jonoI already updated the question instructions14:35
jcastroI saw your edit14:35
jonocool14:35
jcastrothe site notifies me when you edit stuff14:35
jcastroGeorge Edison wrote and indicator for the site, it's basically awesome14:35
jonocool14:35
jcastroand he's written like 3 charms14:36
jcastrohe's basically a ninja14:36
jcastroah nice, he's doing all the "P"s14:40
jcastromarcoceppi: jrg got that data dump to chipaca so you can mark off that work item14:49
jcastrolow hanging fruit ftw!14:49
marcoceppijcastro: \o/14:49
jcastrohttp://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/jorge.html14:50
jcastroyay! screwed by the line, again!14:50
mhall11931 work items?14:51
mhall119I did something wrong14:51
jcastroI prefer the way you do it14:53
jcastrogo more granular14:53
jcastroso you can bust them out in chunks14:54
jcastro"Document charmer governance on the wiki page." can be like 3 or 4 individual steps, etc.14:54
jcastrobut whatever14:54
mhall119jono: would you mind writing the summary and steps for the "member of an approved loco team" accomplishment?  I'm not sure what to say14:57
jonomhall119, will do when I am done with calls14:58
jonomhall119, dholbach, jcastro, dpm, balloons kick of the demo jam without me, going to be a few mins late, on a call with Rick14:59
dpmjono, ok14:59
jcastromarcoceppi: popey: 4.7TB copied over onto btrfs14:59
jcastro~2 days14:59
marcoceppinice, I'm still re-balancing after adding a disk yesterday14:59
marcoceppiand converting to a RAID015:00
dholbachdpm, are you starting it?15:00
mhall119jono: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/approved-loco-team has the current accomplishment15:00
jcastromarcoceppi: does it balance eventually or is that something I should be doing after major things like adding/removing disks?15:01
dpmdholbach, would you mind doing it? My laptop is low on resources and I'm closing things down as crazy to ensure the hangout works15:01
dholbachsure15:01
marcoceppijcastro: there is no auto rebalancing, but it should only be used if you add a disk and your previous disk are nearly full15:01
dpmdholbach, thanks, joining in now...15:03
dakerdholbach, so Real and Barca are playing in Tangier15:03
dholbachnice :)15:04
popey\o/ btrfs club!15:04
jonodpm, can you invite me?15:04
dpmjono, done15:04
jonoballoons, you joining us?15:05
dakercjohnston, do you know why i am not here http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/people.html ? i don't have something like this http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/daker.html15:07
dpmjono, dholbach, mhall119, balloons, jcastro, could one of you guys invite me back?15:11
dpmthanks :)15:11
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jcastrojono: ah, we have a call apparently16:20
jonojcastro, yeah, can we push it back a little16:22
jonostuck in a discussion16:22
jcastrome too16:24
jcastroI need to eat, etc.16:24
dholbachhave a great weekend everyone16:25
jcastrojono: any idea where people file bugs on the games?16:35
jonojcastro, no idea16:35
nigelbpopey: hi?16:46
* nigelb leaves a message in PM16:46
dpmjcastro, mhall119, someone just pointed me to http://hanynowsky.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/integration-of-java-swing-applications-with-unity-global-menu-in-ubuntu-12-04/ - you might already have seen it, but I thought you might be interested in any case16:50
jcastrowhoa dude16:52
jcastrowe need that16:52
jcastromhall119: ^^^^16:52
dpmhttp://code.google.com/p/java-swing-ayatana/downloads/list16:54
mhall119jcastro: dpm: nice!16:57
mhall119I wonder if we can patch this into OpenJDK16:57
mhall119rather that making Java developers add it on a per-app basis16:58
bkerensajcastro: you have any idea what kind of juju material you are bringing up next month? (any brochures?)17:29
jcastrowe have these trifold pamphlet things17:36
jcastrowhy?17:36
jcastrohey balloons17:37
jcastroup for a dumb idea?17:37
greg-gwho isn't?17:38
balloonsjcastro, always :-)17:38
greg-gbtw, hello from Minneapolis :)17:38
jcastrohttp://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/desktop-environments-ram-use/17:38
jcastrodo we have a graph of memory consumption of like unity and friends over time?17:38
jcastrogreg-g: heya! It's looking like Ann Arbor, house shopping.17:38
greg-gwhoa!17:39
greg-gnice!17:39
* greg-g is a bit jealous17:39
jcastroballoons: so what I was thinking17:39
jcastrowas basically, how do we know/ensure that things in the default desktop just don't keep ballooning17:39
jcastroso like today I did a fresh install17:40
jcastroand went into top17:40
jcastroand i was like "what _is_ all this crap"17:40
jcastroand then I got all unix 1990's ...17:40
jcastrobut anyway, surely there's a happy medium of making sure we're leaner ootb and whatnot17:40
greg-gjcastro: hah. killitall17:40
bkerensajcastro: can you bring some trifolds so we have something to give to people interested in Ubuntu/Cloud17:41
jcastroI was planning on bringing a bunch17:42
bkerensacool17:42
bkerensapeople are getting more and more interested in Juju up here17:42
jcastroI'll see about just getting your loco a bunch17:42
bkerensa<tgm4883> bkerensa, how much do you know about juju/other similar types of software?17:42
bkerensa^17:42
bkerensa:D17:42
jcastroor you can have the spares or something, we'll work something out17:42
balloonsjcastro, lol.. you didn't like that top had changed?17:42
AlanBellinstall htop, more pretty colours and you can worry about the numbers of threads as well as the number of processes17:43
jcastroballoons: I think we should just treat default memory usage like we treat boot time17:43
jcastromeasured and setting goals and stuff17:43
balloonsahh.. there was some discussion about that at UDS actually17:43
jcastroah ok so someone is talking about it17:44
jcastro<--- good enough for me, just wanted to see it on someone's radar, somewhere.17:44
jcastrobkerensa: speaking of charms and whatnot, you and otto link up wrt. subway stuff?17:44
jcastrobkerensa: jono: the Humble guys are doing an AMA on reddit in like 15 minutes17:47
jcastroit'd be awesome to ask them some ubuntu/linux questions, show support, etc.17:47
bkerensajcastro: wrt?17:48
bkerensajcastro: yeah I will go do u have link to the AMA?17:48
jcastrohttp://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA probably17:49
bkerensafound it17:49
bkerensa:D17:49
jcastroask me in 11 minutes!17:49
jonoI would like to do an AMA, jcastro17:56
jonohow do I do it?17:56
jcastroyou just post17:56
jcastrorick did one17:56
jcastrohttp://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/rw6iu/iama_directory_of_engineering_for_canonical_i/17:57
jcastroto prove your identity you need to like link to your lp page (or something) and then put something on there to show you control the account17:57
jcastrohttps://launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer317:58
jonoI already did that, I have flair :-)17:58
jonocool17:58
jcastroflair is only for the ubuntu subreddit17:58
jonooh17:58
jonoso what do I do?17:58
jcastroyou basically post just what Rick Did17:58
jonooh I see17:59
jcastrobut in your launchpad page put "I'm doing an AMA today!" so that the AMA moderators know you are you17:59
jonoI will do it for next week17:59
jcastroyeah, you probably don't want to go up against the humble bundle today, heh17:59
jonohow do I set the time for my AMA?17:59
jcastroyou just do it whenever17:59
jcastrothe AMA subreddit is always constantly just going17:59
jonobut there is a Upcoming IAmAs18:00
jcastronot really, some people say "We'll be doing an AMA next week!"18:00
jcastrohttp://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/rpnqk/ubuntu_engineering_manager_is_a_redditor_should/18:00
jcastrofor rick's I gauged interest on the ubuntu subreddit first18:00
jonocool, I will ask if people would be interested in one first18:01
jcastrojono: don't go here, you'll spend your whole weekend there: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/top/18:01
jcastrojono: maybe gauge interest on like twitter/G+ first?18:01
jcastroI mean, you're going up against Neil degrasse Tyson, and he knows science!18:01
bkerensajcastro: they didnt put up the AMA post for Humble Bundle although it was on schedule to start at 2pm :P18:02
jcastroslackers18:03
jonohttp://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ufxqo/iama_would_you_folks_be_interested_if_i_did_one_i/18:05
jonoI posted in the Ubuntu sub-reddit to ask18:05
jcastroMan, Ask Mark would be so much more efficient/better if it was on reddit instead of irc18:09
* jcastro runs away from pleia2 before it's too late ...18:09
* pleia2 shakesfist18:09
jcastroman htorque did all the P accomplishments18:10
* jcastro hurries on his silly oscon paperwork18:10
jonomhall119, I need a success email address for the ubuntu-hour accom18:11
jonofor the test18:11
bkerensajcastro: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ufxcg/were_humble_indie_bundle_v_creators_of/c4v19yp18:14
bkerensaboom ^18:14
mhall119jono: I'm going to go back and make them a little better too, will have an updated MP this afternoon18:25
jonothanks mhall119!18:29
* jcastro upboats bkerensa 18:46
jonojcastro, just landed a chunk of awesome docs from htorque18:54
jcastroyeah he's amazing18:55
jonoso we are not far from completion18:57
jonojcastro, can you write some more docs?18:57
jcastroyeah I just claimed "T"19:02
jcastroI've branched19:03
jcastroI'll have something for you in a bit19:03
jonojcastro, sweet, thanks!19:03
jonogood Friday afternoon19:04
jonostuff19:04
jcastropopey: hey19:04
jcastrojcastro: yeah it's just I have deadlines for oscon and LF Cloud thing today in my way19:04
jcastrobut I just finished that19:04
jcastropopey: hey, is your webapps chromium bamf thing in -updates yet?19:04
jcastroor proposed?19:04
popeyproposed, but there's a further issue19:06
marcoceppijono: I've got a few things for you to merge in19:06
popeywell, try it :D19:06
jonomarcoceppi, cool!19:06
marcoceppilet me get the proposal up19:06
jonothanks marcoceppi19:06
jonowe are not far from having them all complete19:07
jonocan anyone else here help?19:07
jcastro1/3 of the way it looks like19:07
marcoceppijono proposed the merge against the main branch19:08
jcastrothe link format is just normal html for these right?19:08
marcoceppijcastro: that's what I assume, or rather, have been using19:09
jonomarcoceppi, reviewing now19:09
marcoceppijcastro: we might need to do a once over to make sure all the subcategories and depends are setup correctly19:10
marcoceppiafter all the files are done19:10
jonomarcoceppi, looks good, but you are adding subcats incorrectly19:11
jonothere is no subcategory field19:11
marcoceppioh?19:11
jonocategories look like this:19:11
jcastrocategory=Ask Ubuntu:Bounty19:11
jonocategory = Ask Ubuntu:Publicity19:11
jonothe subcat is after the ':'19:11
jcastrowho removed the category link on the meta post?19:12
jonomarcoceppi, I will fix the ones you just submitted though19:12
marcoceppifuuuuuuuu, I've got a lot of fixing to do19:12
marcoceppithey're all like that IIRC19:12
marcoceppirather, all the ones I've been doing19:12
marcoceppiI'll wait for your clean up and then fix the rest with my next batch of accomplishments19:13
jcastrojono: you edited out the link to the categories19:13
jonojcastro, did I?19:14
jcastroyeah19:14
jcastroreadding19:14
jcastrono wonder people keep asking19:14
jcastrohmm19:14
jonomarcoceppi, could you fix the remaining ones that have subcategory?19:15
marcoceppijono: definitely, next merge proposal will have those updated19:16
marcoceppiI need to head out, I'll be back in an hour or so19:16
jcastromarcoceppi: subblime is awesome for this19:16
jonoalso, marcoceppi, while you do that, could you remove "badges" from the cats, so "Membership badges" should just be "Membership"19:16
jcastroI have all mine open in tabs and it's so fast you can bash it out19:16
jonojust makes it consistent with the other ones19:16
jonoI fixed this for the ones you just submitted19:16
marcoceppijcastro's have badges too IIRC19:16
jcastroyes19:16
jcastroI say we leave them and sed/awk them out later19:17
jonojcastro, can you do that now?\19:17
jonoso we get them fixed for new contributors19:17
jcastrootherwise we'll have to double the size of the post to explain all the categories19:17
jcastroI say do it at the end19:17
jonowhy do we need to double the post?19:17
jcastrobecause meta SO has them all categorized for us19:17
jonooh I see19:17
bkerensajono: your pal Mark is something else :P19:17
bkerensahttp://www.itworld.com/node/27936819:17
jonoyou got the cats from meta19:17
jcastrowe'd have to list all the badges and all the categories again19:17
jonogotcha19:17
jonojcastro, that makes sense19:18
jcastroright19:18
jcastroso make them all consistently wrong, so we can mass edit, instead of hand editing as they come in19:18
bkerensaMarkDude got his conversation on our loco channel in the news so to speak ;p19:18
bkerensaI told him not to cause a fuss :P19:18
jonoMark is being lame here19:19
jcastroit's funny he thinks OSCON is about OSS.19:19
jcastrooh wait, was that outloud? :)19:19
jonobrb lunch19:20
bkerensajcastro: lol19:23
bkerensajcastro: yeah I told him to pipe down that nonsense on our channel and not bring Ubuntu into it :P19:23
marcoceppiI just got the accomplishments-contributor trophy \o/19:28
* marcoceppi is heading out.19:30
jcastrohehe19:30
jcastrojono: And then click on "Propose for merging" and then add a decription, paste in lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments for the branch you want to propose into (NOT TRUNK!) and click "Submit".19:34
jcastrothe  NOT TRUNK is out of date now right?19:34
jcastrosince you merged it all?19:34
jonojcastro, hey, your summaries are still too short I think19:45
jonosee how marcoceppi fleshed out a wider summary in each one19:45
jcastroOh I was putting the work into the tips and pitfalls19:45
jcastroand the steps.19:45
jonojcastro, yep NOT TRUNK is out of date19:45
jcastrook fixing the not trunk19:46
jonojcastro, can you flesh out the full accomplishment? shouldnt take too long19:46
jcastroyeah I'll finish these next 2 I am doing and then go back and polish those19:46
jonothanks jcastro19:46
jcastroOh I see what you did there19:48
jonoeh?19:48
jcastroI've been describing the badge in the tips and stuff19:48
jcastrook no problem19:48
popey\o/ huats19:53
mhall119jono: attend-uds and loco-portal-events-accomplishments MPs are ready19:58
jonomhall119, thanks, added the Attend UDS one19:58
jonomhall119, I literally just added it19:59
jonoI also added the missing test19:59
jonomhall119, I already merged in the other events related ones that you added19:59
mhall119jono: I added some more stuff to that branch20:00
mhall119fixes to the global jam and ubuntu hour scripts20:00
mhall119and added sub-categories20:00
jonomhall119, ahhh I will try and merge and see what happens20:02
jonomhall119, there are diff conflicts20:02
jonomhall119, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/loco-portal-events-accomplishments/+merge/10841020:03
jcastrook so I have 2 new ones, but I need to go back and fix up the other ones20:04
jcastroso I commit and push20:04
jcastroand then pull and merge to "catch up" right?20:04
jcastrooh dude, UDS badge! Nice!20:06
jcastrocan anyone explain this bzr thing I'm seeing here?20:07
jcastrobzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Use the missing command to see how.20:07
jcastroUse the merge command to reconcile them.20:07
jcastrothis seems to happen when jono commits to trunk and then I push and then do a pull20:08
jcastroamd I doing this right?20:08
mhall119jono: I merged in the changes from trunk20:09
jcastrojono: ok my last 2 should be awesome20:10
jcastrohmm, nevermind20:10
jcastroit appears my 2 merge proposals are no colliding20:10
jonothanks mhall11920:10
jcastrook I have no idea what happened here20:10
jonojcastro, cool20:10
jcastrook so I did 2 new ones, pushed to a new branch, and then proposed it20:11
jcastrobut the diff shows things from my other MP in there.20:11
mhall119jono: the one for being a member of an approved loco team is just needing a summary and steps, and it'll be ready20:12
* mhall119 is done with his accomplishments work items20:13
mhall119\o/20:13
balloonsmhall119, ftw20:13
jonojcastro, I am going to merge these in, thanks, but we need the summaries expanding some more20:14
jonothe other bits look awesome20:14
jcastroyeah I can do that20:14
jcastrobut i'm stuck now20:14
jonothanks, man20:14
jcastrodo I wait for your merge, then pull, merge?20:14
jcastroI am confused on how I make my local branch stay up to date20:14
jonojcastro, I just merged to trunk20:14
jononow you pull20:15
jcastroaha!20:15
jcastrook20:15
jcastroit worked that time20:15
jonothanks mhall119!20:17
mhall119jcastro: I follow the feature branch method20:22
jcastroOk I need to know what that is at some point. :)20:22
mhall119keep a clean, up to date 'trunk' branch, and split from it for each  feature20:22
jcastrosplit like, "bzr branch trunk-dir new-dir"?20:23
jonomhall119, so I need a working email address for ubuntu hour20:23
jonowould yours work fine?20:23
mhall119jcastro: http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/sharing-your-development-environment-across-branches/20:23
jcastrota20:23
mhall119jono: it will now that I've fixed the script, yes20:23
jonomhall119, what is your email address for LP?20:23
mhall119the only ubuntu hour I've attended, the global event was "The Ubuntu Hour", not just "Ubuntu Hour"20:24
mhall119jono: mhall119@ubuntu.com should work20:24
mhall119jono: it should all be in my branch20:25
jonomhall119, you didnt update the tests20:25
jonomhall119, I just fixed the test20:25
jononow we have 100% test coverage again :-)20:26
mhall119oh, I did fix the test, but merging your changes from trunk set it to what you had20:26
jononp20:26
jonoit is sorted now20:27
mhall119cool20:27
mhall119jono: do you want me to make an MP for the approved-loco-team script, then you can just add the summary and steps when you  merge it?20:30
mhall119or do you want to send me an MP to that branch with your text, and I'll merge it and submit it to trunk20:31
mhall119jcastro: what's the current charm count?20:39
jcastro8420:39
mhall119wow, nice20:39
jcastro5ish more incoming20:39
jcastrowe've only recently cleaned out the queue enough to hit the charm contest entrants20:39
jcastrobut the queue is down to like 520:39
jcastroso we'll be good soon20:40
jcastroit's friday20:43
jcastrotime for some NWA.20:43
jonojcastro, thanks, merged in the improved summaries20:49
jonomhall119, yes please, submit a MP and I will edit it20:50
mhall119ok20:50
mhall119jono: done20:51
jonothanks mhall11920:52
jonomhall119, there is a merge conflict in https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/approved-loco-team/+merge/108424 with the CATEGORIES file21:11
jcastrojono: http://askubuntu.com/questions/145256/accomplishment-viewer-not-displaying-askubuntu-badges21:14
jcastroI suspect this is too localized21:14
jonojcastro, can I add an ubuntu-accomplishments tag?21:17
jcastroI think you need 30021:17
jcastroI'll just do it for you21:17
jonocan you create one for me?21:17
jonothen I will point support queries there21:18
jonothanks!21:18
jcastrodone21:18
jcastroyou can hover over it21:18
jcastroand then subscribe via email or rss21:18
jonocool21:18
jcastroactually dude21:18
jcastrodo the tag wiki on it to get the badge21:18
jcastroheh21:18
marcoceppiman, I forgot about tag wikis21:18
marcoceppiwe're probably pretty behind on that21:18
jcastroI just did the accomplishment description for it21:19
jonojcastro, so I will add a link in the help menu to this page21:19
jcastroyeah, one thing you can is this21:19
jcastrolink to this: http://www.askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=accomplishments21:20
jcastroso it'll auto tag them21:20
jcastrothat will take them right to the question form21:20
jcastroalso, say something like "If you have any questions (not bug reports), see _link_"21:20
jcastrodon't just say "Problems? Go here!"21:20
jonoawesome, thanks jcastro21:20
jcastrothen people will think it's a bug report place21:20
jcastroand will get their questions closed21:21
jcastromarcoceppi: I think I'm winning, I put an app install link in one of mine21:22
jcastrorecommending like shutter for awesome answers21:23
marcoceppijcastro: Looks like you just got the overachiever achievement21:23
jcastroit's the only way I can keep up with you!21:23
marcoceppiThat that's a seriously good idea21:23
marcoceppiAll the ones on editing and voting should have that tip21:23
jcastroI am waiting to hit Strunk and White21:27
jcastroI am going to make that one be totally epic21:27
jonojcastro, Strunk and White is done21:29
jcastrowait for it21:30
jcastroI think I can .... flesh it out more ...21:30
jcastro:-/ tough crowd21:40
jonook, I added an Ask Ubuntu option in the Help menu21:40
mhall119jono: I merged from trunk and fixed the conflict22:10
mhall119jcastro: jono: http://mhall119.com/2012/06/charming-django-with-naguine/22:10
jonothanks mhall11922:12
jonomhall119, nice blog :-)22:13

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