[00:30] ooh, ubuntu.com is down [00:33] weird. Didn't know ubuntu.com used Drupal [00:34] marcoceppi: quick, write a charm for ubuntu.com! ;) [07:09] good morning [08:22] ello folks [08:40] *whee* http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120531172522459 [12:10] breaking news: US judge makes sensible judgement on copyright case [12:14] or: sensible judge makes judgement on copyright case [12:14] ;) [12:17] mhall119: not all that surprising considering the judge previously said he had some programming experience, but not with Java [12:30] yeah, anybody with any programming knowledge will understand the need to reproduce APIs [12:30] I would *love* to know what went through the Oracle legal team's minds when they found out he was a programmer [12:32] oh nice, there's a Humble Bundle widget on https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/limbo/ now [12:35] I think Oracle's legal team already lost the SCO case in the past ;) [13:24] I'm sure Oracle will appeal that they needed a MBA as a judge, not a filty hippie developer [14:09] jono: when do you need the accomplishment files for AU done by? [14:10] In order to make it in to the 0.2 release [14:10] marcoceppi, Tuesday [14:10] jono: cool, I'll see if we can't have them done by the weekend [14:11] marcoceppi, thanks so much! [14:26] I'll be able to do some today after I get 2 things out of the way [14:27] jcastro: yeah, I've been sneaking a few in here and there when time presents itself [14:28] heh I'm opposite [14:28] I don't want to sneak them in I want to do each one detailed in one go [14:30] I wish I had time to sit and do them all [14:32] the fun things always happen in the middle of something busy [14:32] heh [14:32] this would have been real fun in the lul the last few days after UDS, where my brain is more jelly [14:33] htorque is working on a few right now [14:33] <3 [14:33] jono: ^ [14:34] nice! [14:35] marcoceppi, jcastro btw, I merged the branch into lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments so make your merge proposal into that [14:35] I already updated the question instructions [14:35] I saw your edit [14:35] cool [14:35] the site notifies me when you edit stuff [14:35] George Edison wrote and indicator for the site, it's basically awesome [14:35] cool [14:36] and he's written like 3 charms [14:36] he's basically a ninja [14:40] ah nice, he's doing all the "P"s [14:49] marcoceppi: jrg got that data dump to chipaca so you can mark off that work item [14:49] low hanging fruit ftw! [14:49] jcastro: \o/ [14:50] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/jorge.html [14:50] yay! screwed by the line, again! [14:51] 31 work items? [14:51] I did something wrong [14:53] I prefer the way you do it [14:53] go more granular [14:54] so you can bust them out in chunks [14:54] "Document charmer governance on the wiki page." can be like 3 or 4 individual steps, etc. [14:54] but whatever [14:57] jono: would you mind writing the summary and steps for the "member of an approved loco team" accomplishment? I'm not sure what to say [14:58] mhall119, will do when I am done with calls [14:59] mhall119, dholbach, jcastro, dpm, balloons kick of the demo jam without me, going to be a few mins late, on a call with Rick [14:59] jono, ok [14:59] marcoceppi: popey: 4.7TB copied over onto btrfs [14:59] ~2 days [14:59] nice, I'm still re-balancing after adding a disk yesterday [15:00] and converting to a RAID0 [15:00] dpm, are you starting it? [15:00] jono: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/approved-loco-team has the current accomplishment [15:01] marcoceppi: does it balance eventually or is that something I should be doing after major things like adding/removing disks? [15:01] dholbach, would you mind doing it? My laptop is low on resources and I'm closing things down as crazy to ensure the hangout works [15:01] sure [15:01] jcastro: there is no auto rebalancing, but it should only be used if you add a disk and your previous disk are nearly full [15:03] dholbach, thanks, joining in now... [15:03] dholbach, so Real and Barca are playing in Tangier [15:04] nice :) [15:04] \o/ btrfs club! [15:04] dpm, can you invite me? [15:04] jono, done [15:05] balloons, you joining us? [15:07] cjohnston, do you know why i am not here http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/people.html ? i don't have something like this http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/daker.html [15:11] jono, dholbach, mhall119, balloons, jcastro, could one of you guys invite me back? [15:11] thanks :) === scott-work_ is now known as scott_work [16:20] jono: ah, we have a call apparently [16:22] jcastro, yeah, can we push it back a little [16:22] stuck in a discussion [16:24] me too [16:24] I need to eat, etc. [16:25] have a great weekend everyone [16:35] jono: any idea where people file bugs on the games? [16:35] jcastro, no idea [16:46] popey: hi? [16:46] * nigelb leaves a message in PM [16:50] jcastro, mhall119, someone just pointed me to http://hanynowsky.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/integration-of-java-swing-applications-with-unity-global-menu-in-ubuntu-12-04/ - you might already have seen it, but I thought you might be interested in any case [16:52] whoa dude [16:52] we need that [16:52] mhall119: ^^^^ [16:54] http://code.google.com/p/java-swing-ayatana/downloads/list [16:57] jcastro: dpm: nice! [16:57] I wonder if we can patch this into OpenJDK [16:58] rather that making Java developers add it on a per-app basis [17:29] jcastro: you have any idea what kind of juju material you are bringing up next month? (any brochures?) [17:36] we have these trifold pamphlet things [17:36] why? [17:37] hey balloons [17:37] up for a dumb idea? [17:38] who isn't? [17:38] jcastro, always :-) [17:38] btw, hello from Minneapolis :) [17:38] http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/desktop-environments-ram-use/ [17:38] do we have a graph of memory consumption of like unity and friends over time? [17:38] greg-g: heya! It's looking like Ann Arbor, house shopping. [17:39] whoa! [17:39] nice! [17:39] * greg-g is a bit jealous [17:39] balloons: so what I was thinking [17:39] was basically, how do we know/ensure that things in the default desktop just don't keep ballooning [17:40] so like today I did a fresh install [17:40] and went into top [17:40] and i was like "what _is_ all this crap" [17:40] and then I got all unix 1990's ... [17:40] but anyway, surely there's a happy medium of making sure we're leaner ootb and whatnot [17:40] jcastro: hah. killitall [17:41] jcastro: can you bring some trifolds so we have something to give to people interested in Ubuntu/Cloud [17:42] I was planning on bringing a bunch [17:42] cool [17:42] people are getting more and more interested in Juju up here [17:42] I'll see about just getting your loco a bunch [17:42] <tgm4883> bkerensa, how much do you know about juju/other similar types of software? [17:42] ^ [17:42] :D [17:42] or you can have the spares or something, we'll work something out [17:42] jcastro, lol.. you didn't like that top had changed? [17:43] install htop, more pretty colours and you can worry about the numbers of threads as well as the number of processes [17:43] balloons: I think we should just treat default memory usage like we treat boot time [17:43] measured and setting goals and stuff [17:43] ahh.. there was some discussion about that at UDS actually [17:44] ah ok so someone is talking about it [17:44] <--- good enough for me, just wanted to see it on someone's radar, somewhere. [17:44] bkerensa: speaking of charms and whatnot, you and otto link up wrt. subway stuff? [17:47] bkerensa: jono: the Humble guys are doing an AMA on reddit in like 15 minutes [17:47] it'd be awesome to ask them some ubuntu/linux questions, show support, etc. [17:48] jcastro: wrt? [17:48] jcastro: yeah I will go do u have link to the AMA? [17:49] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA probably [17:49] found it [17:49] :D [17:49] ask me in 11 minutes! [17:56] I would like to do an AMA, jcastro [17:56] how do I do it? [17:56] you just post [17:56] rick did one [17:57] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/rw6iu/iama_directory_of_engineering_for_canonical_i/ [17:57] to prove your identity you need to like link to your lp page (or something) and then put something on there to show you control the account [17:58] https://launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3 [17:58] I already did that, I have flair :-) [17:58] cool [17:58] flair is only for the ubuntu subreddit [17:58] oh [17:58] so what do I do? [17:58] you basically post just what Rick Did [17:59] oh I see [17:59] but in your launchpad page put "I'm doing an AMA today!" so that the AMA moderators know you are you [17:59] I will do it for next week [17:59] yeah, you probably don't want to go up against the humble bundle today, heh [17:59] how do I set the time for my AMA? [17:59] you just do it whenever [17:59] the AMA subreddit is always constantly just going [18:00] but there is a Upcoming IAmAs [18:00] not really, some people say "We'll be doing an AMA next week!" [18:00] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/rpnqk/ubuntu_engineering_manager_is_a_redditor_should/ [18:00] for rick's I gauged interest on the ubuntu subreddit first [18:01] cool, I will ask if people would be interested in one first [18:01] jono: don't go here, you'll spend your whole weekend there: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/top/ [18:01] jono: maybe gauge interest on like twitter/G+ first? [18:01] I mean, you're going up against Neil degrasse Tyson, and he knows science! [18:02] jcastro: they didnt put up the AMA post for Humble Bundle although it was on schedule to start at 2pm :P [18:03] slackers [18:05] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ufxqo/iama_would_you_folks_be_interested_if_i_did_one_i/ [18:05] I posted in the Ubuntu sub-reddit to ask [18:09] Man, Ask Mark would be so much more efficient/better if it was on reddit instead of irc [18:09] * jcastro runs away from pleia2 before it's too late ... [18:09] * pleia2 shakesfist [18:10] man htorque did all the P accomplishments [18:10] * jcastro hurries on his silly oscon paperwork [18:11] mhall119, I need a success email address for the ubuntu-hour accom [18:11] for the test [18:14] jcastro: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ufxcg/were_humble_indie_bundle_v_creators_of/c4v19yp [18:14] boom ^ [18:25] jono: I'm going to go back and make them a little better too, will have an updated MP this afternoon [18:29] thanks mhall119! [18:46] * jcastro upboats bkerensa [18:54] jcastro, just landed a chunk of awesome docs from htorque [18:55] yeah he's amazing [18:57] so we are not far from completion [18:57] jcastro, can you write some more docs? [19:02] yeah I just claimed "T" [19:03] I've branched [19:03] I'll have something for you in a bit [19:03] jcastro, sweet, thanks! [19:04] good Friday afternoon [19:04] stuff [19:04] popey: hey [19:04] jcastro: yeah it's just I have deadlines for oscon and LF Cloud thing today in my way [19:04] but I just finished that [19:04] popey: hey, is your webapps chromium bamf thing in -updates yet? [19:04] or proposed? [19:06] proposed, but there's a further issue [19:06] jono: I've got a few things for you to merge in [19:06] well, try it :D [19:06] marcoceppi, cool! [19:06] let me get the proposal up [19:06] thanks marcoceppi [19:07] we are not far from having them all complete [19:07] can anyone else here help? [19:07] 1/3 of the way it looks like [19:08] jono proposed the merge against the main branch [19:08] the link format is just normal html for these right? [19:09] jcastro: that's what I assume, or rather, have been using [19:09] marcoceppi, reviewing now [19:10] jcastro: we might need to do a once over to make sure all the subcategories and depends are setup correctly [19:10] after all the files are done [19:11] marcoceppi, looks good, but you are adding subcats incorrectly [19:11] there is no subcategory field [19:11] oh? [19:11] categories look like this: [19:11] category=Ask Ubuntu:Bounty [19:11] category = Ask Ubuntu:Publicity [19:11] the subcat is after the ':' [19:12] who removed the category link on the meta post? [19:12] marcoceppi, I will fix the ones you just submitted though [19:12] fuuuuuuuu, I've got a lot of fixing to do [19:12] they're all like that IIRC [19:12] rather, all the ones I've been doing [19:13] I'll wait for your clean up and then fix the rest with my next batch of accomplishments [19:13] jono: you edited out the link to the categories [19:14] jcastro, did I? [19:14] yeah [19:14] readding [19:14] no wonder people keep asking [19:14] hmm [19:15] marcoceppi, could you fix the remaining ones that have subcategory? [19:16] jono: definitely, next merge proposal will have those updated [19:16] I need to head out, I'll be back in an hour or so [19:16] marcoceppi: subblime is awesome for this [19:16] also, marcoceppi, while you do that, could you remove "badges" from the cats, so "Membership badges" should just be "Membership" [19:16] I have all mine open in tabs and it's so fast you can bash it out [19:16] just makes it consistent with the other ones [19:16] I fixed this for the ones you just submitted [19:16] jcastro's have badges too IIRC [19:16] yes [19:17] I say we leave them and sed/awk them out later [19:17] jcastro, can you do that now?\ [19:17] so we get them fixed for new contributors [19:17] otherwise we'll have to double the size of the post to explain all the categories [19:17] I say do it at the end [19:17] why do we need to double the post? [19:17] because meta SO has them all categorized for us [19:17] oh I see [19:17] jono: your pal Mark is something else :P [19:17] http://www.itworld.com/node/279368 [19:17] you got the cats from meta [19:17] we'd have to list all the badges and all the categories again [19:17] gotcha [19:18] jcastro, that makes sense [19:18] right [19:18] so make them all consistently wrong, so we can mass edit, instead of hand editing as they come in [19:18] MarkDude got his conversation on our loco channel in the news so to speak ;p [19:18] I told him not to cause a fuss :P [19:19] Mark is being lame here [19:19] it's funny he thinks OSCON is about OSS. [19:19] oh wait, was that outloud? :) [19:20] brb lunch [19:23] jcastro: lol [19:23] jcastro: yeah I told him to pipe down that nonsense on our channel and not bring Ubuntu into it :P [19:28] I just got the accomplishments-contributor trophy \o/ [19:30] * marcoceppi is heading out. [19:30] hehe [19:34] jono: And then click on "Propose for merging" and then add a decription, paste in lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments for the branch you want to propose into (NOT TRUNK!) and click "Submit". [19:34] the NOT TRUNK is out of date now right? [19:34] since you merged it all? [19:45] jcastro, hey, your summaries are still too short I think [19:45] see how marcoceppi fleshed out a wider summary in each one [19:45] Oh I was putting the work into the tips and pitfalls [19:45] and the steps. [19:45] jcastro, yep NOT TRUNK is out of date [19:46] ok fixing the not trunk [19:46] jcastro, can you flesh out the full accomplishment? shouldnt take too long [19:46] yeah I'll finish these next 2 I am doing and then go back and polish those [19:46] thanks jcastro [19:48] Oh I see what you did there [19:48] eh? [19:48] I've been describing the badge in the tips and stuff [19:48] ok no problem [19:53] \o/ huats [19:58] jono: attend-uds and loco-portal-events-accomplishments MPs are ready [19:58] mhall119, thanks, added the Attend UDS one [19:59] mhall119, I literally just added it [19:59] I also added the missing test [19:59] mhall119, I already merged in the other events related ones that you added [20:00] jono: I added some more stuff to that branch [20:00] fixes to the global jam and ubuntu hour scripts [20:00] and added sub-categories [20:02] mhall119, ahhh I will try and merge and see what happens [20:02] mhall119, there are diff conflicts [20:03] mhall119, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/loco-portal-events-accomplishments/+merge/108410 [20:04] ok so I have 2 new ones, but I need to go back and fix up the other ones [20:04] so I commit and push [20:04] and then pull and merge to "catch up" right? [20:06] oh dude, UDS badge! Nice! [20:07] can anyone explain this bzr thing I'm seeing here? [20:07] bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Use the missing command to see how. [20:07] Use the merge command to reconcile them. [20:08] this seems to happen when jono commits to trunk and then I push and then do a pull [20:08] amd I doing this right? [20:09] jono: I merged in the changes from trunk [20:10] jono: ok my last 2 should be awesome [20:10] hmm, nevermind [20:10] it appears my 2 merge proposals are no colliding [20:10] thanks mhall119 [20:10] ok I have no idea what happened here [20:10] jcastro, cool [20:11] ok so I did 2 new ones, pushed to a new branch, and then proposed it [20:11] but the diff shows things from my other MP in there. [20:12] jono: the one for being a member of an approved loco team is just needing a summary and steps, and it'll be ready [20:13] * mhall119 is done with his accomplishments work items [20:13] \o/ [20:13] mhall119, ftw [20:14] jcastro, I am going to merge these in, thanks, but we need the summaries expanding some more [20:14] the other bits look awesome [20:14] yeah I can do that [20:14] but i'm stuck now [20:14] thanks, man [20:14] do I wait for your merge, then pull, merge? [20:14] I am confused on how I make my local branch stay up to date [20:14] jcastro, I just merged to trunk [20:15] now you pull [20:15] aha! [20:15] ok [20:15] it worked that time [20:17] thanks mhall119! [20:22] jcastro: I follow the feature branch method [20:22] Ok I need to know what that is at some point. :) [20:22] keep a clean, up to date 'trunk' branch, and split from it for each feature [20:23] split like, "bzr branch trunk-dir new-dir"? [20:23] mhall119, so I need a working email address for ubuntu hour [20:23] would yours work fine? [20:23] jcastro: http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/sharing-your-development-environment-across-branches/ [20:23] ta [20:23] jono: it will now that I've fixed the script, yes [20:23] mhall119, what is your email address for LP? [20:24] the only ubuntu hour I've attended, the global event was "The Ubuntu Hour", not just "Ubuntu Hour" [20:24] jono: mhall119@ubuntu.com should work [20:25] jono: it should all be in my branch [20:25] mhall119, you didnt update the tests [20:25] mhall119, I just fixed the test [20:26] now we have 100% test coverage again :-) [20:26] oh, I did fix the test, but merging your changes from trunk set it to what you had [20:26] np [20:27] it is sorted now [20:27] cool [20:30] jono: do you want me to make an MP for the approved-loco-team script, then you can just add the summary and steps when you merge it? [20:31] or do you want to send me an MP to that branch with your text, and I'll merge it and submit it to trunk [20:39] jcastro: what's the current charm count? [20:39] 84 [20:39] wow, nice [20:39] 5ish more incoming [20:39] we've only recently cleaned out the queue enough to hit the charm contest entrants [20:39] but the queue is down to like 5 [20:40] so we'll be good soon [20:43] it's friday [20:43] time for some NWA. [20:49] jcastro, thanks, merged in the improved summaries [20:50] mhall119, yes please, submit a MP and I will edit it [20:50] ok [20:51] jono: done [20:52] thanks mhall119 [21:11] mhall119, there is a merge conflict in https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/approved-loco-team/+merge/108424 with the CATEGORIES file [21:14] jono: http://askubuntu.com/questions/145256/accomplishment-viewer-not-displaying-askubuntu-badges [21:14] I suspect this is too localized [21:17] jcastro, can I add an ubuntu-accomplishments tag? [21:17] I think you need 300 [21:17] I'll just do it for you [21:17] can you create one for me? [21:18] then I will point support queries there [21:18] thanks! [21:18] done [21:18] you can hover over it [21:18] and then subscribe via email or rss [21:18] cool [21:18] actually dude [21:18] do the tag wiki on it to get the badge [21:18] heh [21:18] man, I forgot about tag wikis [21:18] we're probably pretty behind on that [21:19] I just did the accomplishment description for it [21:19] jcastro, so I will add a link in the help menu to this page [21:19] yeah, one thing you can is this [21:20] link to this: http://www.askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=accomplishments [21:20] so it'll auto tag them [21:20] that will take them right to the question form [21:20] also, say something like "If you have any questions (not bug reports), see _link_" [21:20] don't just say "Problems? Go here!" [21:20] awesome, thanks jcastro [21:20] then people will think it's a bug report place [21:21] and will get their questions closed [21:22] marcoceppi: I think I'm winning, I put an app install link in one of mine [21:23] recommending like shutter for awesome answers [21:23] jcastro: Looks like you just got the overachiever achievement [21:23] it's the only way I can keep up with you! [21:23] That that's a seriously good idea [21:23] All the ones on editing and voting should have that tip [21:27] I am waiting to hit Strunk and White [21:27]