| ojwb | morning? | 01:28 |
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| ajmitch | in australia, it is | 01:28 |
| ojwb | i just noticed nobody else seems to have said it yet today | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | you joined too late this morning | 01:28 |
| ojwb | hmm | 01:28 |
| * ojwb should be on permanently | 01:28 | |
| ajmitch | by 10:37 we'd already bitched about redhat | 01:29 |
| ojwb | perhaps there were network issues | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | looks like you disappeared at 2:52 this morning | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | olly came back though | 01:29 |
| * ajmitch wishes the ubuntu software centre wasn't so slow | 01:31 | |
| olly | so i did | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | between it & update-apt-xapian-index that it spawns, it's using 700MB of RAM | 01:31 |
| ojwb | while it's nice to see xapian's world domination advancing, having apt-xapian-index there by default can be problematic | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | it's used heavily by the software centre, and it's not lightweight | 01:33 |
| ojwb | i don't think it tries to tune itself for small systems | 01:33 |
| ojwb | it would benefit from a tunable max memory usage threshold, which xapian doesn't currently have | 01:34 |
| kcj | Morning. | 01:34 |
| ojwb | but it probably could tune the document flush threshold | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | right, it's still climbing in memory usage | 01:35 |
| ojwb | one of the many things on my "would be nice to poke at" list | 01:35 |
| * ajmitch decided to get the new humble indie bundle, though it'd be a good test of installing via the software centre | 01:35 | |
| ajmitch | little things to fix, like still having to click 'buy' after having bought it :) | 01:36 |
| ojwb | ajmitch: what do you get if you install xapian-tools and run: delve /var/cache/software-center/xapian | 01:36 |
| ojwb | on debian testing, I only have 2135 entries | 01:36 |
| ojwb | i guess ubuntu's must be larger | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | probably a lot larger on my system, I've got a number of apt sources | 01:37 |
| ojwb | actually, I can check the old laptop | 01:37 |
| ojwb | 2380 | 01:38 |
| ojwb | the apt-xapian-index is larger though - 33637 | 01:38 |
| ojwb | on 36421 on debian testing | 01:39 |
| ojwb | or | 01:39 |
| ojwb | are you just measuring in top? | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | was just looking at resident size in top | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | & swearing as I waited for firefox to swap back in at times | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | number of documents = 2583 | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | /usr/share/software-center/update-software-center-channels is still running & making my laptop fans spin :) | 01:42 |
| ojwb | /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index -f seems to peak at about 228M resident for me | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | highest I saw was about 530MB before I got distracted by a phone call | 01:46 |
| ojwb | and at 152M if I patch it to do: | 01:48 |
| ojwb | import os | 01:48 |
| ojwb | os.environ['XAPIAN_FLUSH_THRESHOLD'] = '1000' | 01:48 |
| lifeless | 'morning' | 01:48 |
| ojwb | that's not the software centre one, which may contain more per entry | 01:48 |
| ojwb | but i don't have /usr/share/software-center/update-software-center-channels on either machine | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | both debian? | 01:49 |
| ojwb | debian and oneiric I think | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | might be new in precise then | 01:49 |
| ojwb | oh natty | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | old | 01:49 |
| ojwb | i didn't claim it wasn't... | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | precise has software-center 5.2, sid has 5.1.2debian2 | 01:50 |
| ojwb | i'll update the ubuntu one at some point, but life's too busy to have to fix it if it doesn't go cleanly, so I'm holding off for now | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | yeah it took me quite some time to bother upgrading my desktop at home | 01:51 |
| ojwb | the issues should be similar in character though | 01:54 |
| ojwb | lowering the flush threshold seems to reliably reduce the peak from 228 to 152 and makes it take about twice as long (33 secs to 1m15 with a warm cache) | 01:55 |
| ojwb | which for a low memory system is a good trade-off, especially if it'll get swappy at the higher value | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | the majority of the bugs on apt-xapian-index in LP look to be automated crash bugs | 01:55 |
| * ojwb wonders who decided launchpad wasn't getting enough bugs | 01:56 | |
| ajmitch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/655831 looks to cover it being slow | 01:56 |
| ojwb | and like all the bugs I've seen, it degenerates into a meta discussion | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | of course | 01:58 |
| ojwb | i mean all the bugs about this | 01:58 |
| mwhudson | there needs to be a "you must be smarter than this stick -> | to post on this bug" feature | 01:59 |
| ojwb | though it's a bit of a feature of bug trackers | 01:59 |
| mwhudson | well, not smarter i guess | 01:59 |
| ojwb | and launchpad suffers particularly | 01:59 |
| mwhudson | "have more insight than" | 01:59 |
| mwhudson | ojwb: the downside of targeting human beings as users! | 01:59 |
| ojwb | yeah | 01:59 |
| ojwb | though the computer reported bugs don't seem much better | 01:59 |
| * ojwb likes spending most of his time on a project where the users are almost all developers | 02:00 | |
| ojwb | and even then they fail to tell you minor details like the version of the software half the time | 02:00 |
| ajmitch | problem is, developers can have opinions | 02:01 |
| ojwb | how dare they | 02:01 |
| * ajmitch should unsubscribe from ubuntu-devel-discuss | 02:02 | |
| mwhudson | i presume debian-legal is still a thing? | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | it still exists | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | mwhudson: you mentioned figlet yesterday | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2012/05/msg00022.html | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | now relicensed to BSD | 02:04 |
| * ojwb will file a debian bug against apt-xapian-index - enrico's likely to respond sanely and addressing it for wheezy is probably the priority right now | 02:04 | |
| mwhudson | ajmitch: hee hee | 02:05 |
| alberto | #channels | 11:14 |
| ojwb | morning | 21:43 |
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| kcj | Morning. | 22:42 |
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