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[06:51] <popey> Happy Mailman Day!
[07:03] <dwatkins> hi folks
[07:04] <dwatkins> popey: my order from Farnell is still processing - it's tempting to order from RS just because I might get one quicker
[07:04] <popey> thats what i did
[07:05] <popey> also i ordered some other bits from farnell and they say they have shipped them but no delivery tracking thing is available which is annoying
[07:05] <popey> bah, it said "Pending" yesterday not it says "Received"
[07:06] <popey> but I have two emails saying "your order has been shipped" - bah
[07:09] <dwatkins> got a mail from RS: "To help ensure as many people as possible can experience the Raspberry Pi concept, we are initially limiting boards to one per customer"
[07:09] <dwatkins> That was after registering my interest on their site; I think I already filled out that form, but don't appear to have ever received a reply from them previously.
[07:10] <popey> yeah, i got the invitation to order from them
[07:10] <popey> and ordered
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great news. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120531173633275
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> APIs are not subject to copyright - even in the US.
[07:11] <dwatkins> yeah, I was hoping the judge would rule that way - fairly likely seeing as he learned Java for the case and essentially ridiculed them during it, TheOpenSourcerer - assuming I have the right judge/case :)
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - Alsup.
[07:12] <dwatkins> I have huge amounts of respect for a judge prepared to actually learn the language concerned during a case.
[07:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> He scorned one Oracles lawyers when he said "I can code that in 10 minutes. Can you?"
[07:12] <dwatkins> They should make a film out of this ;)
[07:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's the betting Oracle will appeal?
[07:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> I reckon 10:1 on
[07:13] <dwatkins> I hope they get laughed out of the court.
[07:13] <diplo> Morning all
[07:15] <AlanBell> "we would like to appeal this decision, the judge knew what he was talking about, this is clearly unfair and we didn't expect it at all"
[07:15] <dwatkins> awwww diddums
[07:15] <diplo> heh
[07:16] <dwatkins> lawyers met their match
[07:30] <Flex\a> hi guys. noob question i know. I've got a p12 SSL cert that was self generated by a friend of mine. I need to install that into my ubuntu system so that we can connect over SSL. i take it that I can just convert the cert to a .crt file and then where do i put it and what do i do to install it as a trusted CA cert?
[07:30] <Flex\a> its a root cert btw
[07:31] <dwatkins> Wouldn't it be easier to use ssh?
[07:32] <Flex\a> no needs to be ssl
[07:32] <Flex\a> its to test an aplication
[07:33] <dwatkins> I just followed the Apache2 SSL tutorial
[07:34] <dwatkins> You would need to generate your own certificate for your server and install it, then anyone connecting will have to accept that certificate (i.e. add an exception) since it will be self-certified.
[07:35] <Flex\a> no
[07:35] <Flex\a> he has generated his own SSL cert
[07:35] <Flex\a> now i need to install the root cert
[07:35] <Flex\a> so that when i connect to him
[07:35] <Flex\a> it doesnt moan about this is untrusted etc
[07:35] <AlanBell> Flex\a: what are you connecting with?
[07:36] <AlanBell> as in what client end application are you using?
[07:36] <Flex\a> apache / SOAP xml handler
[07:37] <AlanBell> ok, so you need to set up a keyring for that to go in
[07:37] <AlanBell> it doesn't go with the CA certificates
[07:37] <AlanBell> the keyring would go in somewhere that the webserver can read
[07:38] <AlanBell> !info ca-certificates
[07:38] <lubotu3> ca-certificates (source: ca-certificates): Common CA certificates. In component main, is standard. Version 20111211 (precise), package size 165 kB, installed size 373 kB
[07:38] <Flex\a> ah ok - so its not like just installing the root crt and then reconfiguring ca-certificates ?
[07:38] <AlanBell> that packages is where the public CA ones come from
[07:39] <Flex\a> ok, so what do i need to do then? :P
[07:41] <dwatkins> I followed something like this, which worked: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign_ubuntu.html
[07:42] <AlanBell> wrong end dwatkins
[07:43] <Script> < Flex
[07:43] <Script> but thats just how to install SSL certs for using with apache
[07:43] <Script> for him to connect to mme
[07:44] <Script> i need to install his cert so that when i connect to him - it doesnt throw up an error saying this is an untrusted cert
[07:48] <AlanBell> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3346039/how-to-use-php5-soapclientsoapclient-with-client-certificate does that help?
[08:05] <mattt> morning morning
[08:19] <Karti> Hi, could someone please point me to an area that I can look at to see what time my ubuntu computer power failed last night - All help is greatly appreciated
[08:20] <popey> Karti: /var/log/syslog
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[08:29] <dwatkins> schwuk: in your browser, as an exception?
[08:30] <dwatkins> oops, I mean Script
[08:30] <dwatkins> anyway, I imagine that stackoverflow link explains what's necessary
[08:31] <Karti> popey, many thanks. I reviewed syslog.1 and could see the time difference between last known and start time. I am now assuming that this is when it failed so thank you for your help.
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:12] <diplo> Morning brobostigon
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[09:48] <diplo> Rather quiet in 'ere today
[09:49] <AlanBell> BOO
[09:49] <diplo> :)
[09:49] <diplo> All busy getting with work ?
[09:50] <diplo> I really have no will to work today, think I'm ready to go home and curl up in bed
[09:59] <daubers> diplo: ditto
[10:03] <diplo> We have a web application we are going to test in the next few weeks, I would like to get reports on what usages across the board it's using
[10:04] <diplo> Anyone recommend a tool ? Is SAR or something one to use, remember it from my AIX days
[10:04] <diplo> Or is there something better now
[10:10] <JamesTait> And finally, happy Friday, people! :)
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[10:35] <daubers> Can someone explain in simple "not a crypto expert" terms why the whole key signing thing for UEFI would be so expensive?
[10:38] <czajkowski> ello mr.cake man daubers
[10:38] <daubers> i.e. sabdfl has a history of signing stuff, we have things that do automated building, surely Canonical/Fedora/Red Hat/Debian/Whoever have clout with HW manufacturers, and there are already a few distro independant organisations which could involve distros for expertise/kit/whatever? Surely it's just a big thing to organise?
[10:38] <daubers> o/ czajkowski
[10:39] <AlanBell> daubers: Red Hat don't want to have to go to Canonical for signing any more than they want to go to Microsoft
[10:40] <AlanBell> and they don't have the clout for a comprehensive installation of the keys
[10:40] <daubers> AlanBell: Surely they'd be happy to provide assistance in setting up a neutral org (or assisting one) in doing that though?
[10:41] <AlanBell> you would think something would have been worked out
[10:41] <daubers> Isn't this one of those things where OSS people should stop being tribal and come together for the greater good? (and then break up and be tribal again when it's done)
[10:42] <AlanBell> probably, although there is still the problem of getting OEMs to ship the key for an OS they are not pre-installing
[10:43] <daubers> AlanBell: I'm not sure that would be too difficult. The trick would probably be to talk to the chipset manufacturers rather than the OEMs
[10:43] <czajkowski> daubers: we can say how trivial it is, but we're not the managers/shareholders/business people who make the decision across the board
[10:44] <AlanBell> the chipset supports the loading of keys, the OEMs load the keys
[10:44] <AlanBell> as I understand it, anyhow
[10:44] <daubers> AlanBell: Yes, but get the key preloaded onto the chip to begin with :)
[10:45] <AlanBell> I trust they have tried every sensible option, and are left with the distateful one
[10:45] <daubers> czajkowski: I'm not saying it's trivial. Just seems a bit silly trying to avoid the people problem by going with the "let someone else deal with it" option
[10:48] <daubers> Just sounds like incredibly technical people looking at what is a management/policy issues and throwing the baby out with the bathwater
[10:49] <daubers> Hopefully one of the big distro policy people will come out with what's going on soon
[10:49] <popey> ☺
[10:50]  * daubers dislikes the management thing
[10:55] <daubers> Also, I wish the NHS had a thing where I could get a code or something to see if test results where in
[10:55] <AlanBell> anyone got any useful nagios tips?
[10:57] <AlanBell> like "arrgh, don't do it!!!" or "don't run it in a VM on a host you want to monitor" or "do/don't use the Ubuntu packages"
[10:57] <gord> i am in full support of daubers's idea to make the NHS a subsidiary of UPS
[10:57] <daubers> gord: Then they could truely deliver medical support when needed
[11:10] <diplo> rah, actually configured my config for irssi now
[11:11] <diplo> AlanBell: I use it quite a bit, don't use the newest version is what the nagios channel have been saying for a while
[11:12] <diplo> I just use the repos version ( albeit it CentOS 5 ) but it works fine
[11:12] <diplo> Monitor 80-100 hosts, about 2-300 services off the top of my head
[11:13] <diplo> I like it, the guys in support like it. Probably lot's of things I shouldnt do and do wrong but it seems to work.
[11:17] <popey> AlanBell: i would recommend opsview over nagios
[11:17] <popey> its based on nagios, but is easier to admin
[11:18] <diplo> yeah I keep meaning to use that, but it's setup and works and tbh with my work at the moment i really cba
[11:19] <diplo> :)
[11:21] <diplo> Also want to try puppet, I need servers and more time :)
[11:29] <Knightwise> morning !
[11:32] <brobostigon> afternoonings Knightwise
[11:33] <Knightwise> hey brobostigon , how are you today
[11:33] <brobostigon> Knightwise: could be better, feels worse for wear, mostly due to my eczema. and you?
[11:33] <Knightwise> hopping from tech problem to tech problem , but having a general good time :)
[11:34] <brobostigon> :)
[11:36] <Knightwise> and working on a nice project at home ,
[11:36] <brobostigon> Knightwise: did you get those things working on that mac properly, you were talking about the other day. ?
[11:36] <Knightwise> ppc linux on an old imac
[11:43] <AlanBell> ok, thanks popey and diplo, I think I will try nagios first as it is in the repos
[11:45] <AlanBell> hmm, lots of configuration files to edit by hand. Am I doing this wrong?
[11:45] <diplo> Nope
[11:46] <diplo> Lots of config files, but you can copy and paste, it does get very quick after a while
[11:46] <diplo> Or you can try centreon which lays over the top of nagios
[11:46] <diplo> I basically defined What I wanted and worked from there
[11:46] <AlanBell> surely there is a button in the web thingie to say "my server to monitor with nagios-nrpe-server installed is over there ->"
[11:48] <diplo> Nope, that is basically what centreon does
[11:48] <diplo> thats why people are adding to it, I've never understood why that functionality wasn't in there
[11:49] <diplo> Also have NagioSQL
[11:49] <diplo> Another I've been meaning to try
[11:51] <diplo> https://www.icinga.org/
[11:51] <diplo> is the other one
[11:53] <AlanBell> only nagios in the repos though
[11:53] <diplo> Which is why I guess I've stayed as well
[11:53] <diplo> Honestly, very quick to set up new hosts etc once you have the jist(sp?) of it
[11:53] <diplo> Just took me a short while and I seem to actually help others now
[11:54] <diplo> Some really good scripts out there as well for monitoring stuff
[11:54] <diplo> brb shop, any q's just ask away
[11:54] <Knightwise> anyone know any good alternatives for terminator ?
[11:54] <Knightwise> i would like something like that on my mac
[11:55] <Knightwise> just to have split panes and stuff in one terminal
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[11:55] <popey> 12:45:27 < AlanBell> hmm, lots of configuration files to edit by hand. Am I doing this wrong?
[11:55] <popey> exactly the reason I recommeneded opsview
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> puppet?
[12:16] <Knightwise> popey , do you run osx on your mac or just ubuntu ?
[12:35] <popey> Knightwise: osx
[12:35] <popey> its no longer my mac, it's wifeys
[12:35] <Knightwise> did you ever have any problems with keymappings ?
[12:36] <Knightwise> when i want to do Shift F2 and stuff to split my byobu screen , i need to press FN , SHIFT and F2 .. but that doenst seem to work
[12:36] <popey> the keyboard layout is wrong on ubuntu
[12:36] <popey> oh, in osx? pass
[12:37] <Knightwise> yep , found that out too , its not completely correct in ubuntu
[12:37] <Knightwise> but in osx .. cant get it working
[12:37] <Knightwise> i'll google around some more
[12:39] <Knightwise> seems to be a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/byobu/+bug/482623/comments/24
[12:39] <lubotu3> Ubuntu bug 482623 in byobu "Apple keyboard - F buttons don't work" [Low,Confirmed]
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[12:40] <shauno> I'm more surprised when buttons do work.  ubuntu's keymaps for macs are hopeless.  I've slowly been surely trying to write my own from scratch :/
[12:41] <Knightwise> shauno: i hear your pain
[12:41] <Knightwise> since i'm a cross platform user its a real pain in the butt
[12:42] <shauno> atm being rather hampered by linux using windows-style 'accelerators' for menus, which isn't the alt-key behaviour I want
[12:42] <Knightwise> shauno: i'll just use F2 and F3 to switch between windows
[12:43] <Knightwise> but the cool thing was , in the old days , with SCREEN , i COULD do all these things
[13:02] <dwatkins> aha, finally Farnell get in touch
[13:03] <oimon> how do we download amazon mp3 on 12.04?
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> banshee
[13:13] <Azelphur> I've got a drive under warranty that's generating about 50 bad sectors a day, time to return it? :P
[13:16] <oimon> MartijnVdS, banshee still ok for 12.04 64 bit?
[13:16] <oimon> +amazon
[13:19] <oimon> ok, got clamz installed.
[13:19] <oimon> was tricky talking the missus over the phone to get it sorted , but fixed now
[13:22] <popey> Azelphur: didnt we have this conversation yesterday?
[13:22] <Azelphur> popey: I asked ali late last night and he didn't seem too sure, plus the situation has worsened since then
[13:23] <shauno> I abandon disks the moment they give me the slightest reason to distrust them.   You can try faith, but they won't return the favour
[13:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:26] <popey> Azelphur: how are you determining the failed sectors?
[13:26] <Azelphur> disk utility
[13:28] <popey> what? the smart data?
[13:28] <popey> which specific bit?
[13:31] <Azelphur> popey: yea, smart data
[13:31] <popey> which attribute?
[13:31] <Azelphur> reallocated sectors
[13:32] <popey> i wouldn't be bothered by 50
[13:32] <popey> if it climbs alarmingly fast I would worry
[13:32] <Azelphur> it's doing about 50 a day
[13:32] <daubers> Azelphur: Manufacturers wouldn't take it back until it got beyond the thrreshold anyway
[13:32] <popey> oh, 50 a day?
[13:32] <Azelphur> yea
[13:32] <popey> what is it up to now?
[13:32] <Azelphur> 100
[13:32] <Azelphur> 17 > 45 > 100
[13:33] <popey> thats still pretty low
[13:33] <popey> if the disk had been sat on a shelf, not used for some time, and you bought it..
[13:33] <popey> then its possible that none of the sectors that have a problem have been touched, until now, when you chuck data on it
[13:33] <popey> how big is it and how full is it?
[13:33] <Azelphur> 120GB, practically empty
[13:34] <popey> what filesystem?
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> and that's why you fill a disk with zeroes before first use ;)
[13:34] <Azelphur> just the OS
[13:34] <Azelphur> ext4
[13:34] <popey> yeah, write a big file and see if it climbs
[13:34] <popey> dd if=/dev/zero of=~/testfile bs=1M
[13:35] <Azelphur> what sort of number is time to start worrying?
[13:35] <popey> when it climbs rapidly
[13:35] <popey> do the dd and watch the number
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> and/or it maxes out
[13:35] <popey> yeah
[13:36] <Azelphur> yea, I'll go dd some big files on it and see what happens :)
[13:36] <popey> only need one
[13:36] <popey> one giant file
[13:38] <Azelphur> sorry, yea one big file
[13:46] <diplo> AlanBell: Did you notice there was a ppa for icinga ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icinga
[14:02] <popey> bah.. the "totem pressing alt during videos" is back in quantal
[14:08] <daubers> Woot! Ordered Iron Sky to watch post move tomorrow
[14:12] <gord> popey, yell at seb to fix the packaging :)
[14:12] <popey> \o/
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[14:20] <diplo> that out on dvd already daubers ?
[14:20] <diplo> Remember seeing a clip for it at the cinema not so long ago
[14:21] <popey> hah, thats a mad film
[14:29] <ahayzen> Hi, in USC 'paid' for apps get a section called 'Also requires' which is quite neat... why don't the 'free' apps get this feature?... or is it an option when submitting the app to USC?
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[14:32] <popey> ahayzen: such as?
[14:32] <daubers> diplo: yup :) Didn't really get a cinema release, so quite quick to DVD
[14:33] <ahayzen> popey: Amnesia: The Dark Descent in USC says 'Also requires: mouse, OpenGL hardware acceleration'... i see no 'free' games that do that?
[14:34] <popey> ahayzen: dunno where that data comes from tbh
[14:34] <ahayzen> popey: I thought it would be useful to users downloading free apps to know if u need hardware acceleration etc before downloading a massive file to find it doesn't work.
[14:35] <shauno> it'd be even cleverer if USC could check for a certain pool of these and give you green ticks / red crosses against the requirements
[14:36] <diplo> Will pester you on monday on your thoughts
[14:36] <ahayzen> shauno: That would be really cool :)
[14:36] <shauno> mouse & 3daccel being easy examples where USC shouldn't need to ask the user
[14:37] <popey> ahayzen: I'd ask a question on askubuntu.com and give us the URL, I'll see if I can find someone who can answer it
[14:41] <gord> can't we just bother davmor2?
[14:41] <gord> it seems only fair
[14:41] <gord> can i do it?
[14:44] <ahayzen> popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/145091/why-do-some-paid-for-apps-have-a-section-called-also-requires-and-free-apps-do this Ok? (never done AskUbuntu before)
[14:49] <popey> gord: please do! but get him to answer on au :D
[14:49] <popey> if he tries to answer here, I'll kick him
[14:50] <ahayzen> popey: Thanks for the edit :)
[14:50] <popey> n
[14:50] <popey> np
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[15:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] Indicator Color - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/indicator-color/
[15:18] <gord> hum, running two 1920x1200 monitors right now, pretty cool, but i'm only running an xchat instance and one small terminal. kind of feels like a waste...
[15:34] <diplo> .
[15:41] <diplo> ..
[15:41] <DJones> Heh http://goo.gl/gjjT7 silly cat
[15:42] <diplo> error: unexpected character `\15', expected string
[15:42] <diplo> Any ideas on /reload of irssi config
[15:42] <diplo> Can't find a defo answer atm
[15:42] <diplo> All looks ok
[15:42] <diplo> says it for every line
[15:43] <DJones> What are you trying to do, is that from just running "/reload"
[15:43] <diplo> Yep
[15:43] <diplo> I added in some servers etc to config and some channels
[15:43] <diplo> I've gone through and they look same as all the examples on the web
[15:43] <DJones> Manually edited into the config file?
[15:44] <diplo> Just wondering if it's something simple, can't find exactly what caused it
[15:44] <diplo> yeah, not allowed?
[15:44] <DJones> Can you pastebin the config file
[15:44] <diplo> Seems that you could from what I read
[15:44] <diplo> yeah
[15:44] <DJones> I manually edit mine, I'm guessing that one of the lines might not be quite right
[15:46] <diplo> DJones: Thank! I love asking people stuff and after 20-30 mins of looking it was simple
[15:46] <diplo> thanks*
[15:46]  * diplo bangs head
[15:47] <DJones> I guess you've found it
[15:47] <diplo> ^M :( had used my win7 lap to edit it whilst reload from here
[15:47] <diplo> Just dos2unix'd the file, all fine
[15:48] <DJones> Heh
[15:48] <DJones> I edit mine in nano via ssh
[15:48] <diplo> Just changed line endings in the editor, as 95% of my work is in linux.. fairly new install, guess I haven't used it yet
[15:49] <diplo> I normally use vi, was working on PC so used lappy to do it
[15:49] <diplo> That'll teach me
[15:49] <diplo> :P
[15:50] <diplo> Was hoping /reload would connect to new network and channels I'd added
[15:50] <diplo> <-- Irssi newbie here
[15:50] <diplo> Will disconnect and reconnect properly when I get home.
[15:53] <ali1234> "internal error - invalid parameters received"
[15:57] <vedreamer> Anyone using rackspace cloud
[15:57] <vedreamer> ?
[16:38] <brobostigon> any suggestions of a good android maps app, that is more space and resource effeicient than google maps, ?
[16:41] <popey> ali1234: limbo is in the software centre now
[16:41] <popey> unfortunately it's a Windows app with crossover ☹
[16:43] <ali1234> popey: yeah and it doesn't work :(
[16:43] <popey> wfm
[16:43] <ali1234> wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000000 at address 0x487996 (thread 0020), starting debugger...
[16:44] <ali1234> sword and sorcery works though
[16:44] <ali1234> but you have to run it with 'SDL_VIDEO_FULLSCREEN_DISPLAY=0 /opt/swordandsworcery/run.sh' if you have two monitors, otherwise it stretches across both (like all SDL games)
[16:48] <gord> limbo is an xbla game first and foremost, hard to expect anything other than crossover i guess
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[16:58] <popey> had a brief play, it's very good
[16:58] <popey> nicely atmospheric
[16:58] <shauno> I've been playing "Retreiving Hero List ..." for a few days now.  It's rather predictable :/
[17:07] <JamesTait> brobostigon: Have you tried osmand?
[17:07] <brobostigon> JamesTait: it is on my list,
[17:08] <JamesTait> brobostigon: I don't know how it fares wrt being more efficient, tbh.
[17:08] <brobostigon> JamesTait: it certain it bigger in size, 8mb, compared to 6 for google maps.
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[19:10] <ali1234> hmmmmmm... limbo is actually bundled with a 32 bit wine and a custom drive_c
[19:10] <ali1234> so at least it isn't affected by existing wine installation
[19:11] <ali1234> still doesn't work though
[19:15] <ali1234> ok, i managed to make it work... you have to disable second monitor, then it will load up
[19:15] <ali1234> unfortunately when you quit it, you get dumped on a black screen and have to restart X
[19:16] <penguin42> limbo?
[19:16] <ali1234> yes
[19:16] <penguin42> what's that?
[19:16] <ali1234> a game
[19:16] <penguin42> ah
[19:16] <ali1234> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/limbo/
[19:17] <ali1234> running it in a fake desktop will probably solve these problems
[19:20] <ali1234> ah there we go
[19:20] <penguin42> ali1234: You have a reliable X crash?
[19:20] <ali1234> running it with system wine ina virtual desktop seems to work
[19:20] <ali1234> penguin42: it doesn't crash, it just stps redrawing the screen
[19:21] <ali1234> i can move the mouse around and the pointer changes when i mouse over window borders etc
[19:21] <ali1234> but everything is black
[19:21] <penguin42> ali1234: hmm, many reasons - perhaps the game still has a window open covering it all?
[19:21] <ali1234> probably something like that yeah
[19:21] <penguin42> ali1234: But if the game process is gone then it shouldn't happen
[19:21] <ali1234> it's wine so anything can happen
[19:21] <ali1234> anyway using system wine works
[19:22] <popey> ali1234: i ran it dual screen and it was fine, but dumped me to single screen on exit
[19:23] <popey> the randomness of multiscreen and games
[19:23] <ali1234> total width of your desktop?
[19:23] <popey> i have 2 screens, started limbo and it used the whole of one screen, and turned off the other screen
[19:24] <ali1234> yeah that's wine changing the display resolution
[19:24] <ali1234> that doesn't work with nvidia
[19:24] <ali1234> you get one possible choice which is 3200x1200
[19:24] <penguin42> popey: They tend to change res and things like that - it would be interesting to know whether there is an ABI they should  be using that would work, or if there is a missing ABI then it's open for someone to create one
[19:24] <ali1234> clearly limbo doesn't support that resolution and just bombs out with a segfault rather than display a useful error
[19:24] <penguin42> ali1234: I guess that's becuase nvidia doesn't tend to do xrandr
[19:24] <popey> it does now
[19:24] <ali1234> yes, and good for nvidia
[19:25] <ali1234> actually it does present xrandr but there's only one possible configuration
[19:25] <ali1234> i really hate games that change your screen mode and turn off monitors, there's no reason for it
[19:25] <penguin42> popey: Will it actually show the separate heads as randr heads now ?
[19:25] <ali1234> it's a good thing that wine can fake out those games and force them to run windowed, because that actually works and isn't really annoying
[19:26] <ali1234> penguin42: no, it doesn't. still looks like one head to xrandr
[19:26] <ali1234> one display with a relly odd resolution. hence the crash
[19:26] <ali1234> it messes up nearly all games actually
[19:26] <ali1234> most of them just end up with a horribly warped picture though
[19:28] <ali1234> hmm does this game have any controls except for up down left right?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> hm
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> after running vlc, sound in flash (youtube) is accelerated
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> 48000 vs 44100 initialization issues i guess
[19:31] <popey> ali1234: ctrl
[19:31] <popey> assuming limbo?
[19:32] <ali1234> right ctrl only. who comes up with this stuff? :(
[19:32] <popey> i used left
[19:32] <ali1234> left does not work, i tried it like a hundred times
[19:32]  * popey shrugs
[19:32] <popey> !wfm
[19:32] <lubotu3> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[19:32] <ali1234> perhaps that's why they use a custom wine (lol)
[19:32] <popey> perhaps indeed
[19:33] <ali1234> wow, i died
[19:34] <ali1234> ok this is annoying
[19:36] <ali1234> oh, so it's going to be like that
[19:40] <ali1234> argh
[19:41] <popey> ☺
[19:41] <popey> trap?
[19:41] <popey> or drown
[19:41] <ali1234> everything is a trap
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> it's a tarp!
[19:44] <gord> yeah pretty much, i wasn't a huge fan, but its got a lot of critical clout behind it
[19:45] <ali1234> AHAHAHA that's terrible
[19:45] <ali1234> putting something like that so early in a game... seriously
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> \o/ "timeout"
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> i.e. the gnu coreutils "timeout"
[20:00] <gord> is that the gnu diablo III simulator? hi-oooo
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> it kills processes
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> so I can run:
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> timeout 70m dd if=/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 of=recorded_programme.ts
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> ghetto DVR :)
[20:04] <gord> i think there are a bunch of actual dvr solutions out there ;)
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> gord: yes but they tend to require your entire X session to be "theirs"
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> gord: vdr and myth do, anyway
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> and I just want to run a recording in the background while I'm doing other things
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> gord: I'm thinking of building some scripts to automate this all
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> gord: (using at possibly)
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> so I can just say 'at <some time> ~/bin/record.sh "Channel Name" record_time_in_minutes'
[20:06] <popey> a friend of mine does this with scripts
[20:06] <popey> lemme see if he's made them public
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: I use szap and dd
[20:07] <gord> talking of awesome scripts, i made my imapfilter config automatically filter away mail from mailing lists its not seen before, its so good, i didn't even realise it was mailman day today
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> gord: you can configure most mailmen to not mail you every month
[20:08] <gord> eh?
[20:08] <gord> but how would i know its not mailman day?
[20:09] <directhex> MartijnVdS, er, mythtv is split between frontend and daemon. the recording doesn't need x
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> because it won't be sending the notifications at all
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> directhex: but you can't tell it to record without a frontend
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> directhex: and I've never successfully made it tune to a channel
[20:10] <directhex> MartijnVdS, mythweb?
[20:10] <ali1234> you can use the web interface to set recordings
[20:10] <popey> yeah, i used to use that
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> I think I'll stick to my scripts :)
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[23:43] <OY1R> can anyone help me getting a secondary monitor to work?
[23:45] <OY1R> im running 10.04 on a laptop, just got a new monitor but i cant get it to power up, it only shows "No Signal". the old ctr however displays video once plugged in.
[23:45] <OY1R> and i tested the new led monitor with another laptop running vista it worked fine.
[23:45] <dwatkins> Is it enabled in the BIOS, OY1R?
[23:46] <dwatkins> Also, check the function keys which control whether the display is on or not, mirrored etc. depending on the laptop.
[23:46] <OY1R> dwatkins, the monitor is identified in the monitor preferences and set to on
[23:47] <dwatkins> wait, are you using the same port for both CRT and flatpanel?
[23:47] <OY1R> dwatkins, yes
[23:47] <OY1R> tho only one at a time
[23:47] <dwatkins> hmm, what resolution is the display at?
[23:48] <OY1R> laptop is at 1920x1200 and the secondary is 1920x1080
[23:48] <dwatkins> Try setting it to something the flatpanel is very likely to support, like 1024x768 or 1280x1024
[23:50] <OY1R> i have tried all the resolutions in the list.
[23:50] <dwatkins> how about refresh rate?
[23:50] <OY1R> also
[23:50] <penguin42> OY1R: I'm suspicious of the no signal as opposed to wrong signal
[23:50] <penguin42> (although that might be reading too much into it)
[23:50] <dwatkins> puzzling, especially since it works on the other machine
[23:51] <penguin42> OY1R: What inputs does the flat panel have, and which one are you using?
[23:51] <dwatkins> I'm assuming you've also ruled out the cable
[23:51] <OY1R> it has dvi and vga.
[23:51] <OY1R> im using vga
[23:51] <dwatkins> is it selected, though?
[23:51] <OY1R> yea i tried the same cable on a vista laptop it ran fine.
[23:52] <penguin42> OY1R: Did you have to do anything odd on 10.04 to get the CRT to work?
[23:52] <OY1R> it's selected automatically i guess
[23:52] <dwatkins> there may be a button - my Dell flatpanel has a selector to switch between inputs
[23:52] <OY1R> Pendulum, maybe install the nvidea drivers
[23:52]  * penguin42 grrrs at Pendulum
[23:53] <OY1R> hehe
[23:53] <penguin42> OY1R: Hmm, have you got the nvidia drivers installed at the moment ?
[23:53] <OY1R> sri
[23:55] <OY1R> no proprietary drivers are in use according to the "hardware drivers"
[23:55] <dwatkins> What model flatpanel, OY1R?
[23:56] <OY1R> packard bell meastro 220
[23:56] <penguin42> OY1R: Can you pastebin the output of xrandr   with the lcd plugged in please?
[23:56] <OY1R> here or pastebin ?
[23:56] <penguin42> pastebin please
[23:59] <OY1R> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/sUd8vvyn
[23:59] <penguin42> OY1R: hmm - can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?