[00:16] <thumper> mhall119:
[00:16] <thumper> mhall119: ping?
[00:17] <mhall119> thumper: pong
[00:17] <thumper> mhall119: hey, just trying to chase down how to get contributors to sign the copyright assignment thingy
[00:18] <mhall119> well it's not an assignment anymore, right?  It's a broad copyright grant
[00:18] <thumper> mhall119: I have no idea what it is these days
[00:19] <thumper> what is it now?
[00:19] <thumper> and how to they sign / use it?
[00:21] <mhall119> hmmm, ubuntu.com appear to be having some drupal issues atm
[00:23] <mhall119> thumper: it's up on the website somewhere, unfortunately the site appears to be down
[00:23] <thumper> :(
[00:23] <thumper> mhall119: I'm guessing "the website somewhere" could be quite a lot to search through :)
[00:24] <mhall119> yeah
[00:24] <thumper> heh
[00:24]  * thumper has munchies
[00:24] <thumper> time for lunch
[00:25] <mhall119> time for dinner
[01:59] <AnthonyHu> hellow.
[10:53] <jussi> Hrm, I had a thought - perhaps it could be nice to have the indicator icon highlighted a different colour for different things. ie. for empathy or chat messages, it could be blue, for thunderbird or email, it could be green etc etc
[10:56] <jussi> also, can someone explain to me why on one laptop the dash covers the whole screen, and the other only part?
[10:57] <seb128> jussi, the dash depends of the screen resolution, i.e on netbooks where it would take 90% of the screen it doesn't make sense to not take the screen space
[10:57] <seb128> jussi, the color stuff was suggested in the past, there is probably a bug in launchpad about it
[10:58] <jussi> seb128: thats strange, as one is 1366x768 (fullscreen dash) and the other 1280x800 (partial screen dash)
[10:59] <seb128> jussi, you maybe clicked once on the button in the panel?
[10:59] <seb128> it keeps the state
[10:59] <jussi> seb128: so how do I make both of them to be full screen?
[10:59] <seb128> i.e when the dash is open you have control similar to the wm ones on the panel
[11:00] <jussi> (also, as a side note gnome control center crashes all the time, and when I try send a bug, it also crashes :/)
[11:00] <seb128> jussi, you click on small round icon with a square in the left of the unity panel when the dash is open
[11:00] <seb128> the white one
[11:00] <jussi> ahhh, I hadnt seen that thing before
[11:01] <jussi> right, thanks for that!
[11:02] <seb128> jussi, yw
[11:03] <jussi> seb128: Im reportign the bug now with g-c-c via ubuntu-bug, Are the people here those who will help debug/fix? or do I need to go find someone else?
[11:04] <seb128> jussi, if you don't let apport catch the issue and report a bug with the dump the bug is not going to be useful
[11:06] <jussi> seb128: apport crashed when trying to report it...
[11:06] <seb128> did you report that bug?
[11:07] <jussi> not yet - just got through reportign the g-c-c one - here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1007356
[11:08] <seb128> can you get a stacktrace with gdb?
[11:08] <jussi> perhaps, if youll instruct me how to do it?
[11:08] <seb128> jussi, gdb gnome-control-center
[11:08] <seb128> you will get a (gdb) prompt
[11:09] <seb128> type "run" on it and validate
[11:09] <seb128> get the issue, g-c-c will freeze
[11:09] <seb128> go back to where you ran gdb and type "backtrace"
[11:09] <seb128> copy the log to the bug
[11:12] <jussi> seb128: added to the bug
[11:13] <mhr3> seb128, `gdb -b -ex run -ex -bt gnome-control-center` ;)
[11:13] <seb128> mhr3, hehe
[11:13] <mhr3> and ideally pipe it to pastebin :)
[11:14] <seb128> jussi, can you install gnome-control-center-dbgsym libglib2.0-0-dbg libgtk-3-0-dbgsym
[11:14] <jussi> E: Unable to locate package gnome-control-center-dbgsym
[11:14] <jussi> E: Unable to locate package libgtk-3-0-dbgsym
[11:16] <seb128> jussi, you need a ddeb apt source
[11:16] <seb128> jussi, i.e add "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ precise main restricted universe multiverse" to your sources.list (and the same for precise-updates and precise-proposed if you use those)
[11:17] <jussi> what are those and why arent they there already?
[11:17] <seb128> jussi, they are the servers which debug packages, and they are not on by default because debugs are not an user thing
[11:18] <seb128> which->with
[11:18] <seb128> jussi, you are supposed to let apport report the bug and the retracing happens on the server side
[11:18] <seb128> but apport is buggy for you
[11:18] <seb128> you should maybe report the apport issue, get it solved and then submit the bug the normal way
[11:19] <jussi> lets finish this now we have started - sec
[11:22] <jussi> right, installed. now gdb again?
[11:22] <seb128> yes
[11:23] <seb128> same as before
[11:23] <seb128> the log should have debug symbols this time
[11:23] <jussi> put it on the bug ?
[11:23] <seb128> yes
[11:24] <jussi> done
[11:25] <seb128> jussi, do you have unity-2d-common installed? what version?
[11:26] <jussi> jussi@squirrel:~$ apt-cache policy unity-2d-common
[11:26] <jussi> unity-2d-common:
[11:26] <jussi>   Installed: 5.12.0-0ubuntu1
[11:26] <jussi>   Candidate: 5.12.0-0ubuntu1
[11:27] <seb128> jussi, locate com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> jussi@squirrel:~$ locate com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> /home/jussi/ubuntu-tv/trunk/data/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <jussi> /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:27] <seb128> jussi, that's your issue: /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.Unity2d.gschema.xml
[11:28] <seb128> you have a local build leftoever which is missing keys which are in the current version
[11:28] <jussi> ahh
[11:28] <seb128> that's taking over the system version
[11:28] <jussi> thanks very much - let me see if I can somehow uninstall that old ubuntu-tv stuff
[11:29] <seb128> jussi, rm the local schemas dir otherwise
[11:30] <jussi> seb128: works now - thanks incredibly much, and well done for spotting it.
[11:30] <seb128> jussi, you're welcome
[11:31] <jussi> As an added bonus, I now know how to use gdb in a very basic way, which will assist in helping others fix stuff :)
[11:33] <jussi> btw, while I am here, is there a virtual keyboard for unity? Id like to be able to use my touch screen laptop if possible...
[11:34] <seb128> onboard is what is installed with Ubuntu
[11:35] <jussi> thanks
[12:34] <pavolzetor> hi, I wonder why compiz is used instead of clutter
[12:53] <mhall119> Because compiz was way ahead of clutter when the choice was made
[13:18] <JanC> s/clutter/mutter/  ;)
[14:24] <mterry> Hello!  I've got a bamf question.  Say I've got an app that has one window.  Then I close that one window.  Then I open a new window.  It appears that bamf will hide the launcher icon after the first close and not show any icon for the second window.  Is that expected?
[14:27] <mterry> MacSlow, ^ Is someone other than Jason knowledgeable about such bamf stuff?
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, hey, what unity version do you use?
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, package version
[14:27] <mterry> seb128, 5.12-0ubuntu1
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, it's fixed in 1.1
[14:28] <seb128> that's bug #995916
[14:28] <seb128> mterry, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/5.12-0ubuntu1.1
[14:28] <mterry> seb128, you're the best! Let me try it out
[14:29]  * mterry grumbles that they are supposed to upload to quantal first, per SRU process
[14:29] <seb128> mterry, the version was uploaded to quantal but failed to build with the new toolchain, those build issues are being worked
[14:29] <seb128> mterry, ^
[14:29] <mterry> ah
[14:35] <MacSlow> mterry, kamstrup and mhr3 know a bit about it too afaik
[14:37] <mhr3> mterry, Trevinho is the expert ;)
[14:38] <mterry> MacSlow, mhr3: Ah, cool.  But actually the current SRU seems to have fixed my specific problem.
[14:38] <MacSlow> mterry, even better :)
[14:38] <mhr3> it did sound familiar, Trevinho was talking about it on the sprint :)
[14:39] <Trevinho> mhr3: mterry the issue is fixed in trunk
[14:39] <Trevinho> and in proposed
[14:39] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[14:39] <mhr3> sorry to wake you from your slumber :P
[14:39] <seb128> Trevinho, until still doesn't like bamfdaemon to be killed :p
[14:39] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[14:39] <Trevinho> actually was more an unity/bamf issue...
[14:39] <seb128> until->unity
[14:40] <Trevinho> seb128: no? :o
[14:40] <Trevinho> It works to me
[14:40] <seb128> Trevinho, I was testing the "double icons after restarting bamf", I've now icons for stuff I closed that are still displayed as running in the launcher
[14:41] <seb128> i.e I did run gconf-editor, killed bamfdaemon, closed gconf-editor and it's stucked in my launcher as running now
[14:43] <Trevinho> oh seb128 you're playing too much with it :P
[14:43] <Trevinho> bamfdaemon is supposed to restart basically immediately
[14:43] <seb128> lol
[14:43] <Trevinho> yes, that has not been fixed... Let me think...
[14:44] <seb128> Trevinho, well in practice bamfdaemon doesn't segfault a lot nowadays so it's not much of an issue
[14:44] <Trevinho> that's the best thing :)
[14:45] <Trevinho> about the icon issue... well.. bamf deosn't say to unity when it's really up and down, so we can't just check if an app is still valid...
[14:45] <Trevinho> However, maybe I've something in mind that could help
[14:45] <Trevinho> place a bug for that, but it's very low prio at the moment :)
[14:47] <Trevinho> probably bamf-factory could just mark as closed the views that have not be reopened... but it's not that easy right now... with gdbus it could be better
[14:49] <seb128> Trevinho, I will not bother for now, as you said it's low priority ;-)
[15:28] <mterry> mhr3, Trevinho: So I'm swapping between two windows in my app.  And in between (one is hidden, the other isn't shown yet), bamf temporarily hides the launcher icon.  Is there a libunity call I can make to keep the icon around for a while?
[15:37] <mhr3> if there is, it'd be a hack
[15:39] <mhr3> iirc app indicators were capable of such things
[15:41] <mhr3> mterry, but i'd suggest to use a notebook widget :P
[15:41] <mterry> mhr3, I think I found a way around it, by rijiggering when they hide/show
[16:58] <mhall119> tedg: ping
[16:58] <mhall119> tedg: somebody has written some code to get Java Swing window menus in the Global Menu
[16:58] <mhall119> http://hanynowsky.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/integration-of-java-swing-applications-with-unity-global-menu-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[16:58] <tedg> Nice
[16:59] <mhall119> is that something we can patch into our OpenJDK/Icedtea packages so it'll just work for all Swing apps?
[16:59] <tedg> I have no clue.
[17:00] <tedg> Seem possible, but I don't know how all the Java stuff works.
[17:01] <mhall119> seb128: ^^ any idea who I should talk to about carrying a distro patch for OpenJDK to enable Global Menu support?
[17:01] <seb128> mhall119, try doko or email ubuntu-devel list
[17:01] <mhall119> I'll contact the ML, thanks
[17:13] <jussi> small cry...
[17:14] <jussi> it seems totem is not compiled to do tv :/
[22:58] <heavensmile> I just want to say that I really like ubuntu unity