| raevol | is facebook getting DDoSed or do the computer gods just hate me today | 01:03 |
|---|---|---|
| pleia2 | I'm not having problems, but comments I've seen elsewhere on the internets do seem to indicate they're having some trouble | 01:04 |
| raevol | whew. that makes me feel better | 01:05 |
| raevol | i spent all day at work trying to get my NIC on my work computer to function | 01:05 |
| raevol | no success | 01:05 |
| raevol | facebook is lagging so hard I can't close facebook tabs... | 01:12 |
| MarkDude | philipballew, I tagged you in a pic on FB nfrom UDS | 01:20 |
| MarkDude | the official pics | 01:20 |
| * pleia2 tagged jyo | 01:22 | |
| pleia2 | lookin bored! | 01:22 |
| MarkDude | Yep a few more pics in tehre to be tagged | 01:23 |
| raevol | facebook completely inaccessible now | 01:29 |
| philipballew | wheres the photo officially located? | 01:31 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: http://www.pixoulphotography.com/ | 01:31 |
| * MarkDude would have been shocked if there was a pic of me in group photo- and blue shirt was visible | 01:32 | |
| pleia2 | http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Quantal-Quetzal/23155798_KrM3PW has the gallery | 01:32 |
| akk | Wow, finding anyone in the group pic is not easy! | 01:34 |
| MarkDude | There are fb pics | 01:39 |
| MarkDude | The pics cant be tagged, until approved | 01:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | people all over irc are complaining that fb is down | 01:39 |
| philipballew | I am next to jono | 01:39 |
| philipballew | up for me DonkeyHotei | 01:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | i am prone to hyperbole | 01:40 |
| akk | I think I found pleia2, haven't found myself yet and I even know where I was standing. | 01:40 |
| pleia2 | I'm in the back left | 01:41 |
| DonkeyHotei | by "people all over irc" i mean one person in this channel and one other person in a completely unrelated channel (in the boston area) | 01:41 |
| pleia2 | not easy to see really | 01:41 |
| akk | Ah, yes, there's philipballew -- he and pleia2 both have hands in front of their faces (in the pic I'm looking at). | 01:41 |
| philipballew | jono's are iirc | 01:42 |
| * akk tries one without hands | 01:42 | |
| philipballew | those are better imo | 01:43 |
| gua | hah wow, dustin kirkland was right behind me | 02:36 |
| philipballew_ | sounds scary | 02:47 |
| gua | philipballew_: speaking of stalking, i think i spy a certain someone in this photo: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Quantal-Quetzal/23155798_KrM3PW#!i=1865964211&k=tW922WT&lb=1&s=A | 02:48 |
| gua | can't hide anywhere, not at uds | 02:49 |
| philipballew_ | gua, I bet its fun to be a uds photographer | 02:52 |
| * MarkDude thinks the few pics he took there were fun to take. Being a pro would make it more fun, IMHO | 03:16 | |
| akk | I love how facebook says "Mark has tagged two photos of you" and includes a link to the first one, and no way to find the second one. | 03:18 |
| akk | Such a great UI, can't imagine why the stock isn't soaring. | 03:18 |
| pleia2 | lol | 03:18 |
| pleia2 | I never could grok facebook, I mostly stay away from it for fear I'll click on something and spam all my friends | 03:19 |
| akk | heh, yeah | 03:19 |
| akk | I like being able to connect with non-techies I'd never hear from otherwise | 03:20 |
| akk | but I wish all those people would go to a site that actually works, instead :) | 03:20 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I use it for my family mostly | 03:20 |
| MarkDude | Yep | 03:22 |
| MarkDude | Its great for tech outliers | 03:22 |
| MarkDude | to sorta get them involved. The other day FB locked me out of an event I created- WHILE it was happening | 03:23 |
| akk | It kills me how non-techies gravitate toward these things like facebook and forums that I can't figure out how to use. How do they manage to use them? | 03:23 |
| MarkDude | I could not add any updates or comment to TELL folks where to meet at Carnaval | 03:23 |
| akk | lovely! | 03:23 |
| * MarkDude just wishes he had some granular control, dont tell me what I want to see, let me create some filters | 03:24 | |
| MarkDude | First would be *ville | 03:24 |
| MarkDude | Eff all of that | 03:24 |
| MarkDude | Sry for swearing, I had to spend a few days blocking apps, just so I could make my feed readable | 03:25 |
| akk | Agreed, email me everything (or offer an RSS feed or whatever) and let me filter. | 03:25 |
| akk | Showing me some randomly chosen selection of stuff in a random order, mixing in some old stuff I've already seen, just makes me decide it's not worth the effort. | 03:26 |
| akk | MarkDude, you were talking earlier about mjg's post about what fedora is doing re secure boot -- has Ubuntu decided what they're doing yet? | 03:30 |
| MarkDude | Im not sure, RH paying MS money is a bit odd- | 03:32 |
| * MarkDude is going to have to read up on it. I expect some more questions on this at events | 03:32 | |
| akk | Yeah, infuriating (I'm infuriated at MS, not RH). | 03:33 |
| MarkDude | Yep, bad precedent | 03:33 |
| MarkDude | RH is really defensive, most choices they make are about avoiding lawsuits | 03:34 |
| MarkDude | As long as it avoids being sued, its generally ok :D | 03:35 |
| * MarkDude 's opinions are his own, not that of any projects he is involved with | 03:35 | |
| akk | I don't have a problem with RH doing what they need to do -- I'm not sure there is any good solution for distro vendors. | 03:35 |
| MarkDude | I agree | 03:36 |
| akk | mjg does a good job of outlining the problem and why they chose this solution. | 03:36 |
| akk | (as usual -- he's always very reasonable) | 03:36 |
| MarkDude | Fedora will have money to cover the costs, as will RH | 03:36 |
| MarkDude | The idea of all the other Distros not being able to do so- bugs me on a deep level | 03:37 |
| akk | Yep. | 03:37 |
| akk | At least it sounds like people who are clueful will be able to change the BIOS to turn off signing. | 03:38 |
| akk | So users of Gentoo, Arch, Debian etc. (the techie distros) should be fine. | 03:38 |
| * scientes is bugged by UEFI in general | 03:38 | |
| akk | And Puppy is okay for a while, it's not for new hardware anyway. | 03:38 |
| scientes | akk, umm no gentoo cannot possibly participate | 03:39 |
| MarkDude | Intel is making efforts with CoreBoot | 03:39 |
| scientes | cause this requires central signing off all kernel and bootloader code | 03:39 |
| scientes | MarkDude, errrrrr, they have attacked coreboot in the past | 03:39 |
| akk | scientes: Anyone who's knowledgeable enough to install gentoo is techie enough to get into BIOS menus and turn off the signing. | 03:39 |
| scientes | amd has been doing MUCH better than intel on coreboot | 03:39 |
| MarkDude | Wont that make some of this moot? At least for the hardware they are making open? | 03:39 |
| scientes | the big companies developing coreboot are AMD and Google | 03:40 |
| scientes | (they want to use it for the chromebook) | 03:40 |
| MarkDude | Well all of this crap may be sorted in court | 03:40 |
| MarkDude | in a few years | 03:40 |
| MarkDude | <sigh> | 03:40 |
| scientes | cause its not just about getting signing | 03:40 |
| scientes | will fedora have two differn't kernels? | 03:41 |
| scientes | in order to set these complicated policies? | 03:41 |
| DonkeyHotei | google beat oracle | 03:41 |
| MarkDude | YAY for Oracle beatdowns | 03:41 |
| akk | The chromebook boot is even weirder than UEFI, as far as booting other OSes. | 03:41 |
| scientes | or will it require selinux on the UEFI secureboot kernel in order to force this? with embedded rules inside the kernel? | 03:41 |
| scientes | akk, indeed, but they have been pushing coreboot so that FOSS can do what it wants regarding boot | 03:42 |
| akk | And more restrictive -- they have the same signing requirement but you can't turn it off. | 03:42 |
| MarkDude | Hmmmm | 03:43 |
| scientes | akk, there is documented root for chrome books | 03:43 |
| scientes | its just that you get a REALLY ugly boot screen, that cant be turned off, when in root mode | 03:43 |
| akk | scientes: You can install another distro that uses their signed kernel. You can't install a distro that needs a different kernel, or build your own kernel. | 03:43 |
| MarkDude | History tells me that akk is right, altho this will soon start to get over my head | 03:43 |
| akk | I'm actually quoting from d -- he has chromebooks (dual-boot but with google's signed kernel), I don't. | 03:44 |
| DonkeyHotei | signed coreboot? whiskey tango foxtrot | 03:44 |
| scientes | akk, also they are changing the kernel, cause the kernel allow alot of stuff via user-space (root user) that gives direct access to hardware, like user-mode-setting with X | 03:44 |
| scientes | akk, oh well then you might be right | 03:45 |
| * scientes does not like chromeos at all | 03:45 | |
| scientes | but i the same time im not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater---Google's work on coreboot is awesome | 03:46 |
| scientes | AFAIK | 03:46 |
| scientes | DonkeyHotei, i don't think the coreboot is signed, just everything after it | 03:46 |
| akk | d says: in theory, you could build your own kenrel (for a chromebook) and sign it ... but in practice, nobody's actually managed it. | 03:46 |
| akk | (mostly because not many have bothered to try) | 03:47 |
| scientes | its like most of googles code: http://food.sndimg.com/img/recipes/22/78/2/large/picrIZyXg.jpg | 03:47 |
| philipballew_ | our own epicvision has run into problems getting people to like ubuntu http://epikvision.blogspot.com/2012/05/quell-flames-shift-gears-educate-b4.html | 03:55 |
| DonkeyHotei | scientes: if the coreboot doesn't need anything signed, then signing doesn't matter | 03:56 |
| scientes | DonkeyHotei, im just saying that i think coreboot is first, and whatever is first doesn't have anything to watch the watcher | 03:56 |
| DonkeyHotei | exactly | 03:58 |
| gua | i don't see why microsoft needs to be involved in the signing, just have verisign do it | 05:15 |
| scientes | gua, they don't have the mozilla root certs installed | 05:18 |
| scientes | its not about WHO you are talking to, its about not permitting anything that can lead to arbitrary code execution | 05:18 |
| scientes | in kernel mode | 05:18 |
| scientes | but thats not really what it is about | 05:18 |
| gua | lots of people have a general distrust of MS though. tons of articles around about 'distros having to pay MS' | 05:19 |
| scientes | its really about enabling state malware to be installed | 05:19 |
| gua | beholden to MS isn't something people are aching to be exactly | 05:19 |
| scientes | gua, well, the pci signing is limited to only one signature, so you are going to have microsoft's key installed to boot a computer with UEFI secure boot | 05:19 |
| gua | scientes: yeah, being able to have multiple signatures would be one of the first things to change | 05:19 |
| gua | in UEFI 2.0 | 05:20 |
| scientes | gua, no, no UEFI+1 | 05:20 |
| gua | although i wonder how much last-minute changes can go in | 05:20 |
| scientes | just coreboot | 05:20 |
| gua | eh | 05:20 |
| scientes | UEFI needs to die | 05:20 |
| scientes | gua, and you have no ideahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U | 05:20 |
| gua | are mfrs going to go with coreboot? | 05:20 |
| scientes | the signing format is so much a siemese twim to windows, that the signing format has "WIN" in the binary | 05:20 |
| scientes | its just moving the windows code signing system into a place where it can subvert linux and freedom | 05:21 |
| gua | scientes: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html | 05:21 |
| scientes | ...even more | 05:21 |
| scientes | gua, yes i read | 05:21 |
| gua | is what i'm referring to | 05:21 |
| scientes | that talk i linked to is the same person who writes that blog | 05:21 |
| gua | yeah, i think i've watched that talk | 05:22 |
| gua | is mark shuttleworth in the group picture? i can't seem to find him | 06:40 |
| philipballew_ | I did not see him | 06:50 |
| === mdrmike is now known as mdrmike|afk | ||
| * MarkDude got a mention for Partimus http://www.itworld.com/node/279368 | 19:04 | |
| MarkDude | Altho , maybe not what they were hoping for | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: I wish you wouldn't drag us into this :( | 19:12 |
| MarkDude | I did not | 19:15 |
| MarkDude | B Proffit listed Partimus as a Linux Distro | 19:15 |
| * MarkDude has also made very clear- opinions are his own | 19:16 | |
| akk | "free Expo passes (a coveted OSCON perk)"? For some reason I thought expo passes were free (I know passes to talks very much aren't). | 19:23 |
| akk | It's too bad -- the dotcom area is always by far the most interesting of the OSCON expo hall. | 19:24 |
| bkerensa | akk: Expo Passes used to be free they started charging for them this year | 19:28 |
| bkerensa | akk: you mean the dot org? :P | 19:28 |
| akk | oops, yeah, dot org, duh | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | I am hoping this makes it more interesting, no fedora and ubuntu booths means there are two booths which may be used by dotorgs you've never heard of and may be interesting :) | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | there is limited space, I think the big distros can do a favor to little guys by stepping aside from time to time | 19:42 |
| MarkDude | Rumor has it both tables will be there for the Distros | 19:42 |
| bkerensa | lol | 19:42 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: where do you come up with this? :P | 19:43 |
| MarkDude | Possibly involving the 2 sharing a booth | 19:43 |
| bkerensa | Im sure things would have been fine either way :) | 19:43 |
| MarkDude | Cue the odd Couple them song | 19:43 |
| MarkDude | theme | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | it's not that odd, I really don't see this division between the ubuntu and fedora communities that you always go on about | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | I work with plenty of fedora folks | 19:44 |
| MarkDude | <sarcasm font> implied | 19:44 |
| bkerensa | yeah and I let you take a photo with me :P | 19:44 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:44 |
| * MarkDude made that suggestion | 19:44 | |
| MarkDude | We are all on the same Penguin Team | 19:44 |
| * bkerensa has a Redhat notebook somewhere | 19:44 | |
| bkerensa | anyways moving on | 19:45 |
| bkerensa | How is the weather in California? | 19:45 |
| MarkDude | pleia2, thats not fair- I was waering the Friends sticker at UDS for a real reason | 19:45 |
| MarkDude | Perfect bkerensa thats why we pay so much to live here | 19:45 |
| bkerensa | heh | 19:45 |
| MarkDude | Thats cool - you pay a fair amount to support the bike freaks | 19:46 |
| bkerensa | its 73 and overcast here :D | 19:46 |
| MarkDude | Yay- freak bikes | 19:46 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: We have more bicyclists and runners than any other city ;) | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: I'm sorry if you feel that way, but jokes don't come across well in IRC and I work very hard to break down barriers between communities, you do often make comments about Fedora vs Ubuntu which feels like it undermines that | 19:46 |
| bkerensa | And thats my cue to go run errands | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: they are cleaning the windows in my building today, have to keep windows closed during this nice weather! stuffy in here :) | 19:47 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:47 |
| * MarkDude 's Linux is a cult - directly addresses that | 19:47 | |
| bkerensa | I really do have to go run errands :P seeya guys enjoy the sun | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | see you | 19:47 |
| MarkDude | The enemy is Apple | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | why do we need an enemy? :) | 19:47 |
| MarkDude | If there is an enemy that is | 19:47 |
| MarkDude | :D | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | I thought you california people were all peace-loving! | 19:48 |
| MarkDude | Mostly | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:48 |
| akk | ha, you should see bay area people fight for parking spaces | 19:48 |
| MarkDude | For what its worth- Im still known as the Ubuntu Guy- in Fedora by many. I am given a hard time for liking Ubuntu so much | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | at least they don't shoot each other over them (there are some things I don't miss about Philly :)) | 19:49 |
| MarkDude | the jokes are the same | 19:49 |
| MarkDude | Taking me too serious is not advised, sarcasm font is implied unless other wise stated | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Neighbors-Shoot-Each-Other-Over-Parking-Spot-125402973.html | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | ah fun | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: fair enough | 19:49 |
| * MarkDude is Man Of La Mancha- chasing windwills and such | 19:50 | |
| MarkDude | :D | 19:50 |
| * MarkDude wants to go to FOSScon, heard there are Masters degrees in profanity there | 19:50 | |
| pleia2 | (amusingly, the parking spot incident I was thinking about was a different one, in 2006 or so, nice to see things don't change) | 19:50 |
| akk | ouch | 19:50 |
| akk | And in truth, I don't see much fighting over parking spots here (but OTOH I'm not in SF or Berkeley). | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | mostly here in SF I just see people driving without paying attention (so they cut people off, don't let people in, block intersections) | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | but I think that's mostly tourists driving and being lost | 19:52 |
| * MarkDude has seen old ladies flip the bird over parking spots inSF | 19:52 | |
| raevol | so | 19:53 |
| raevol | when you have pidgin open with the buddy list and conversation window | 19:53 |
| raevol | and you alt+tab to show desktop, so both windows get minimized | 19:53 |
| raevol | you can't get the buddy list to restore without completely closing the conversation window | 19:53 |
| raevol | :( | 19:53 |
| akk | We get plenty of that down here, people driving while texting or talking on phones so not paying attention. | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | philly did a funny texting while walking april fools joke | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | the mayor proposed a texting section of the sidewalk, they did a video, during which the mayor was speaking and someone texting kept wandering by oblivious and interrupting the segment :) | 19:56 |
| akk | haha | 19:59 |
| akk | I saw two people almost walk into each other in Portland, both fixated on gmaps or something on their phones. :) | 20:00 |
| === izdubar is now known as MarkDude | ||
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