/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/01/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

shakes808What was that dropbox link from earlier?02:00
Blazeixshakes808: https://grepular.com/Protecting_Your_GNU_Linux_System_from_Dropbox02:03
shakes808thank you02:11
brouschA python.org membership reminder just emailled my password to me in plain text09:37
shakes808good morning11:40
brouschsnap-l: do you have blender installed?11:44
brouschMy mind was blown last night11:44
snap-lYeah, I've installed it recently.11:45
snap-lIt's changed a LOT with 2.5+11:45
brouschHave you hovered over any button/sliders/widget?11:46
brouschAnd pull down the python console11:48
snap-lunfortunately I'm on 2.49 on this machine11:48
snap-lbut I have seen 2.5+ on my laptop11:48
snap-land yeah, it's freaking amazing11:49
snap-lit's like a while new program11:49
rick_h_morning11:49
brouschIt shows you the Python method that will be called when you click the widget11:49
snap-lbrousch: That I didn't know11:50
brouschAnd then the console shows you everything that you've done11:50
snap-lVery cool11:50
brouschI want that everywhere!11:50
snap-lbrousch: WTF is this tweet12:37
brouschSomeone's presentation on why you don't need design patterns12:37
brouschin Python12:37
snap-lYeah, I heard about that.12:37
snap-lStill want to know the lingo so I can sound smart12:37
snap-lOh, yeah, that's a defibrillator pattern12:38
brouschIs that an actual design pattern?12:42
shakes808So off topic for a second: I was just in Google Play looking at the music selection. I went under Metal and guess what was #1 for Top Albums?12:45
snap-lWarrant?12:47
snap-lOh, wait, I've got this one12:47
snap-lEvanescence12:48
snap-lGuns and Roses12:48
snap-lFive Finger Death Punch12:48
shakes808lol Evanescence and G'n'R were in there412:48
shakes808NOPE12:48
shakes808BON JOVI12:48
snap-lNot on my radar12:48
shakes808Since when is Bon f'n Jovi Metal?12:48
snap-lOOh, not songs12:48
brouschDid one of them die?12:48
snap-lBon Jovi greatest hits, eh?12:48
shakes808no albums12:48
shakes808yea12:49
snap-lI got no beef with BonJovi. It got me to the good stuff12:49
brouschYou sicken me12:49
snap-lYou need Bon Jovi to pay for the artists that aren't going to break 1m records.12:50
shakes808lol and others in "METAL" are Chevelle, Alice In Chains, Three Days Grace, Insane Clown Posse, Seether, Alter Bridge .... These are not metal lol12:50
snap-lAt least under the old model12:50
shakes808I don't have a problem with some Bon Jovi, he is just not "Metal"12:50
snap-lshakes808: You must have a slightly different screen12:50
snap-lmine has cannibal corpse as an artist spotlight12:51
snap-lshakes808: Hate to break it to you, but Bon Jovi is metal12:51
snap-lfalse metal, maybe12:51
shakes808I don't see any CC on my screen12:51
snap-lshakes808: You need to do more youtube listening. ;)12:51
shakes808I seen some Marilyn, Five Finger, ?Queens of the Stone Age?, Slash, G'n'R as the top 612:52
shakes808HA HA12:52
snap-lOr do a podcst. :)12:52
shakes808I listen to your podcast every now and again, when I remember lol12:52
snap-lThere's a new episode out now.12:52
snap-lInstrumetalcast #612:52
shakes808Where is the spotlight section that you speak of?12:53
snap-lhttp://openmetalcast.com/2012/05/31/open-metalcast-instrumetalcast-6-tragedy-of-slow-and-low/12:53
snap-lhttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Screenshot.png12:54
snap-lshakes808: ^12:54
shakes808That isn't on my screens12:55
shakes808I don't see that layout anywhere12:56
snap-lMaybe I have it because fo clean living or something :)12:56
shakes808lol12:57
shakes808interesting, you are on the same network and Google Play should be the same across the board, wonder why they are different?12:59
snap-lDo you have flash blocking? :)13:02
shakes808Not that I am aware of13:02
shakes808The way I am seeing it now is how I have always seen Google Play. Rooted or not.13:03
shakes808Flash is working on my phone, just loaded up www.realmofthemadgod.com13:04
shakes808and that is all flash13:05
snap-lI'm using the website. That's why. :)13:05
shakes808lol13:06
shakes808oh, i am on the app13:06
brouschMore interesting than the title implies: https://grepular.com/Protecting_Your_GNU_Linux_System_from_Dropbox13:38
snap-lbrousch: I posted that yesterday.13:39
snap-lI think the title is misleading, but it's interesting to see what can be done to help isolate a process13:39
brouschRight13:40
brouschI skipped it the first 2 times I saw it because I figured it was just paranoid crap13:40
nullspacewhy does it seem like everyday on 12.04 there is a completely new batch of updates...14:20
rick_h_because you've subscribed to a daily ppa?14:21
nullspaceI have extras.ubuntu.com but I don't think that's a ppa14:23
rick_h_just guessing/tossing it out there14:23
nullspacewould make sense14:23
rick_h_I know between the FF nightly and Chrome dev I tend to get updates very often14:23
brouschnullspace: I have a random spattering of updates every day14:24
brouschIt seems like they're rarely the same things being updated14:24
nullspaceyeah14:25
greg-gI'm having the weirdest internet experiences in MPLS14:31
greg-glast night I couldn't connect to FB (I know I know, I haven't logged in for months, but I was just getting a couple people's emails - old friends from college I'm going to meet up with tonight)14:32
brouschMPLS?14:32
greg-gand now, Google Calendar isn't loading. But everything else (all websites I try and low level ping/ssh are fine)14:32
greg-gMinneapolis, MN14:32
brouschCould it be a keyword filter?14:33
greg-git'd be hilarious14:33
brouschYou could have cuss words in your calendar titles14:33
greg-gI wouldn't put it past my buddy, but I'm now at a coffee shop14:33
greg-gYeah, Minneasotans don't cuss14:33
brouschSure they do, gosh darn it14:34
MaskedDriverfacebook was having issues for everyone last night I believe14:34
greg-gMaskedDriver: wow, did the world explode and I didn't notice?14:34
MaskedDriverit would appear so14:34
* MaskedDriver enjoys trolling on Facebook14:35
greg-gweird, google.com isn't loading over http[s]14:35
MaskedDriverSomeone puts a post or something that isn't funny or sad or something, then just comment with "lol"14:35
MaskedDrivergreg-g: working for me14:35
greg-gthis is weird14:37
MaskedDriverwhich browser? could be browser-specific14:37
MaskedDriveror did your browser's entire https protocol break?14:37
brouschMitM14:39
brouschYou been h4x0rd!14:39
MaskedDriverRUN14:39
brouschMail me your laptop. I'll fix it for you14:40
greg-gFx Nightly and hmmm, https for our internal CC wiki isn't responding14:44
greg-gI am being haxored14:44
greg-g"SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length."14:45
snap-lgreg-g: Try ssh tunneling to a known good machine14:49
snap-llike your colo or something14:49
snap-lmight be some wonkiness along your router-path14:49
greg-gsnap-l: Chromium doesn't complain about SSL and connects to those sites. i blame Fx Nightly doing something crazy14:49
snap-lgreg-g: And reason +1 why I don't follow nightlies. :)14:50
snap-lsave for Banshee14:50
greg-g:)14:50
greg-gFx nightly was doing great for a while, just the past 2 weeks have been rough14:50
snap-lBlazeix: Hmm, I think there's some wonkiness with the MUG theme14:53
snap-lhttp://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=114:53
snap-lTrying to get the ical list from civicrm, but the theme wants to fire.14:53
snap-lWondering if that's a bug with civicrm or WP14:54
MaskedDriverwhere are these mug meetings?14:54
MaskedDrivernvm.. I can read14:54
snap-lhttp://www.mug.org/meetings/14:55
snap-l;)14:55
MaskedDriverlol yeah.. I figured it out. I'm good like that14:55
MaskedDriverFarmington Hills not to far from me14:56
snap-lAll are welcome, admission is free.14:56
MaskedDriverI'll probably stop by sometime in the next few months. June is a crazy month for me, unfortunately14:56
snap-lnp14:57
MaskedDrivernew to MI (well, a year) and haven't gotten involved in any FOSS groups yet14:57
snap-lMaskedDriver: There's a few you should attend14:58
snap-lMaskedDriver: Ubuntu MI Loco (you're soaking in it)14:58
snap-lMaskedDriver: MUG (You're aware of it)14:58
devinheitmuellerMaskedDriver: I would definitely encourage it.  I moved to Detroit for a year and met lots of great people at MUG.14:58
snap-lMaskedDriver: Coffee House Coders (should you be of a developer-bent)14:58
MaskedDriversnap-l: aye... I was the head of the Columbus, OH Really Local Community for about a year14:58
MaskedDriverwhen paultag headed up the LoCo14:59
snap-lMaskedDriver: Were you at Ohio Linuxfest?14:59
snap-lYeah, I know paultag14:59
MaskedDrivernot the last couple years. conflicted with my yearly Mackinac trip14:59
MaskedDriverthinking about attending this year though since it's later in the month14:59
snap-lMaskedDriver: Hah, too funny14:59
snap-lwe made the trip down, and you made the trip way way up15:00
MaskedDriver:)15:00
MaskedDriversnap-l: yeah. you heading down to OLF this year?15:01
snap-lplanning on it15:02
MaskedDrivernot sure who's in charge of the Ubuntu booth this year15:03
MaskedDriverhaven't talked to the OH group for about a year15:03
snap-lYeah, we did a combined Lococast / ubuntu MI booth15:03
snap-lwe being rick_h_ and I15:03
MaskedDriverI'm assuming jacob will have at least some sort of part in the planning of that. I'd assume gilbert will do some stuff too15:04
rick_h_I'm going to be in VA for OLF this year15:04
rick_h_snap-l: ^15:04
snap-lrick_h_: That's nowhere near OLF15:05
snap-lwill be a hell of a trek to the convention center. ;)15:05
rick_h_yea, a few states over15:05
snap-lrick_h_: But I think you'll manage.15:05
rick_h_yea, might just run over for dinner15:05
MaskedDriverfunny.. they change the dates that work better for me, but screw over other people15:05
MaskedDrivercan't please everybody all the time15:06
rick_h_well, we moved our annual VA trip down into the fall to be cooler this year (well later summer I guess not sure)15:06
snap-lYeah, that's the nature of the beast.15:06
snap-lrick_h_: You do realize by doing that, Mother Nature will make it 90 with 90% humidity15:06
snap-ljust for you.15:06
MaskedDriverrick_h_: aye.. I'm just hoping Mackinac Island will be as nice as it was last year.. 70-80 degrees15:07
rick_h_snap-l: well last year it was 95% with 90% humidity15:07
rick_h_sorry, 95degrees with 90% humidity15:07
snap-lyeah, gathered. :)15:07
rick_h_I don't want to drive to VA for the week and be able to let the boy outside for fear he'll kill himself15:07
rick_h_last year sucked15:07
MaskedDrivermakes all the walking and biking far more bareable than the 50-60 we had the previous couple years15:07
rick_h_we had to kill days of stuff due to heat, so July4 is no longer the target VA date15:08
brouschMaskedDriver: You go to Mackinac every year?15:09
MaskedDriverbrousch: I do. For the 8-mile race thing they have every September15:09
MaskedDrivermy fat @$$ doesn't run but my g/f's brother and mom do15:10
MaskedDriverThe_Machine: you end up toying around with any Distros yet?15:12
The_Machinenot yet.15:20
MaskedDriverThe_Machine: :(15:20
The_MachineWent to carnival, watched 2 episodes of Mad Men with the wife, slept, started work15:20
MaskedDrivergotcha15:20
The_Machinei'm realizing though, the idea of putting ubuntu as my primary laptop OS is not the best15:20
MaskedDriveroh?15:20
The_Machineas I need to be able to bring up certain windows apps right away15:21
The_Machinefor instance, vsphere client15:21
The_Machineto administer esxi/vcenter hosts15:21
The_MachineI could do it in a VM15:21
rick_h_RDS or virtual machine15:21
The_Machinebut if my desktop OS someone is misbehaving15:21
The_Machinesomehow15:21
rick_h_setup a machine with that stuff and remote desktop into it15:21
The_MachineI travel all around (consulting)15:21
MaskedDriverrick_h_: this15:21
The_Machineso unless I carry two laptops, it's not likely15:21
The_MachineI could make an ubuntu VM, but it isn't really immersion15:22
The_Machinedamn, I need a clone.15:22
The_Machine(of myself)15:22
MaskedDriverDual-boot?15:22
MaskedDriverUbuntu when you don't need Windows15:22
The_Machinecould dual boot.  that's the next option.15:22
The_MachineActually15:22
The_Machinewindows when I can't do what I need in ubuntu15:22
MaskedDriverI tri-boot my laptop15:22
The_Machinei would use ubuntu all of the time15:22
MaskedDriverUbuntu, Win 7, Win 815:22
The_Machinemy HDD is small though15:22
The_Machinesee, i considered putting the release preview of 8 on15:22
The_Machinebut I think i might run into just as many problems as with ubuntu15:23
The_Machinewith certain app incompatabilities15:23
The_Machine(like, Sonicwall VPN client, or..  whatever)15:23
The_MachineCitrix clients, vsphere clients15:23
The_Machinehehe15:23
MaskedDriverI used Win8 as my daily driver on my gaming machine until I got my Naga 2012 Edition mouse and their synapse client didn't work15:23
MaskedDriverhad to go back to Win715:23
brouschYou can usually find an open source app that does the same things as a closed source application, which is preferable to running under wine when you can15:23
The_Machinebrousch, not with this kind of stuff15:24
The_Machinegoogle "vsphere client esxi 4.1 linux" and you'll see what i mean.15:24
brouschYeah, sounds like you're locked into a lot of Windows-only programs15:24
The_Machineeveryone just bitches about it15:24
* The_Machine nods15:24
brouschFix that first ;)15:24
The_Machinepaycheck or ubuntu, let's see..  HMMM..15:24
brouschs/or/and/15:25
The_Machinei hate win fanboys15:25
The_Machinebut that's what my boss is15:25
The_Machineand he'll never change.15:25
The_Machine(though, i did get him to start using ESX and iphone) :P15:26
The_Machinewindows mobile 6.  disgusting.15:26
brouschFind a new boss!15:28
The_MachineI'm going to soon enough.15:28
The_Machineactually15:28
The_Machineso I'm assuming you guys work in IT?15:28
The_Machineare you specialized or an "everything" janitor like me?15:29
The_Machinemy resume has been kind of tricky15:29
brouschI'm a generalist15:29
The_Machinesame15:29
brouschWhere are you located?15:29
The_Machinehow the hell do you advertise that on your resume though?15:29
The_MachineBloomfield Twp15:29
brouschList all the things that entails, emphasizing the most relevant skills for whatever job you're apply for15:29
The_Machineso you tailor it?15:30
The_Machinewhat about your "dice.com" resume or whatever you would call it?15:30
The_Machinethe general one that's up there?15:30
brouschI haven't had a resume in 12 years, but I would tailor it15:30
The_MachineI haven't updated mine since this new job15:30
The_Machinebut I don't feel like I can brag about any particular skills15:30
The_Machinebut I can brag about being a generalist?15:30
brouschI guess I would make the Dice one non-tailored, so it would be really long15:30
The_Machine(does that make sense?)15:30
brouschYes15:31
The_MachineI can say I know exchange, sql, filesystems, permissions, networking, filrewalls, routers, vpns, ..  the list would go on for hours15:31
The_Machinei could just keep typing technologies I can implement15:31
The_Machinebut i'm not a *master* at them necessarily15:31
brouschVery good skillset15:32
The_Machinelike a specialized Exchange Admin who can deploy 10,000 mailboxes without some heavy learning15:32
brouschFor the right kind of company15:32
The_Machineoh yea15:32
brouschThose are the jobs you should look for15:32
The_Machineand I could probably run about 20 small businesses all on my own15:32
The_Machineas long as I had a gimp to be my hands once in a while15:32
brouschThat's another good route15:32
The_MachineThat's essentially what I do now, but for someone else15:32
The_Machineand i don't have to deal with a lot of the business BS15:33
brouschI know several self-employed people in GR who are the IT guy for many companies15:33
The_Machineso far i've liked it15:33
The_Machine(not having to deal with many business aspects..  non paying customers, etc)15:33
* The_Machine nods15:33
The_Machineit's a decent living, and i'll probably be able to do it for the next 20 years15:33
The_Machineuntil the cloud and cell devices are so ubiquitous15:34
The_Machinethat everything has redundant connections to multiple towers15:34
brouschheh, interesting you bring that up15:34
The_Machineand nothing is hosted on a client15:34
The_Machineso then the world is truly "cloud ready"15:34
brouschhttps://plus.google.com/110804743960557196086/posts/SWD2tN17FHL15:34
The_Machinebecause Chrome OS is retarded at this point.15:34
brouschChromeOS is very nice for my kid!15:34
The_Machinesure thing15:34
The_Machinei'm talking 100+ employee companies15:35
The_Machineall relying on a T1 because they're locked into a 3 year contract15:35
The_Machinebecause of a decision by "purchasing" because it seemed like a good idea at the time15:35
The_Machineetc.15:35
The_Machineonce LTE really takes off15:35
The_Machineand you can get dual radios in devices15:35
The_Machinethen a 2 x 21 mbps connection to two different carriers15:35
The_Machineand IPV615:35
The_Machinecan connect to an app in the cloud..  with redundnacy15:36
brouschWe have Comcast business. It's hella fast and has been reliable15:36
The_Machineyea, most of my clients do too15:36
The_Machineand I can't say better things15:39
The_Machineoh, hey15:39
The_Machineare you getting bouncebacks when you send to @hotmail.com right now?15:39
The_Machine(assuming that you are using your comcast connection for mail)15:39
The_Machinethe comcast IP block is being blacklisted by hotmail right now in this region15:39
brouschPeople still use hotmail?15:40
The_Machinelots of people, unfortunately15:40
brouschWe use Google Apps15:40
snap-lYes, my mom uses hotmail15:40
snap-leven though she hates it15:40
brouschYo mama so n00b she still use Hotmail!15:41
brouschSorry15:41
snap-lbrousch: my momma so newb she doesn't use snopes15:41
greg-gapropos to this conversation:15:42
greg-gMoglen, claims that Facebook’s days as a dominant platform are numbered, because we will soon have decentralized social platforms, based on projects such as FreedomBox, users will operate their own federated platforms and form collective social platforms based on their own hardware, retain control of their own data, etc.15:42
greg-gI can understand and share Moglen’s enthusiasm for such a vision, however this is not the observable history of our communications platforms, not the obvious direction they seem to be headed, and there is no clear reason to believe this will change.15:42
greg-gThe trajectory that Moglen is using has centralized social media as the starting point and distributed social media as the place we are moving toward. But in actual fact, distributed social media is where we started, and centralized platforms are where we have arrived.15:42
greg-ghttp://www.dmytri.info/privacy-moglen-ioerror-rp12/15:42
brouschI agree with the anti-Moglen15:43
snap-lsent me a list of forwards that was a veritable clusterbleep of misinformation15:43
brouschVery, very few people want to run their own social network infrastructure15:43
greg-gI'm a fan of moglen, but the point this guy rasises (we're going decentralized to centralized) is true, and scary.15:43
snap-lgreg-g: Facebook will die off soon, but it won't be because of the Freedombox, no matter how successful15:44
The_Machinegoogle apps is a wise choice15:44
The_Machinedo you pay for the premium?15:44
greg-gnever said it would :)15:44
snap-lgreg-g: but yes, we're moving back to the mainframe15:44
snap-lall of the work that the PC revolution did is being pulled apart15:44
snap-lsoftware as service, etc.15:44
The_MachineI'll never give up my HDD15:44
The_Machinefuck that15:44
The_Machinei don't want anyone else owning my data15:45
snap-lThe_Machine: You won't have to, but you won't have much to do with it15:45
The_Machineexcept freenode :P  you can have my speech, freenode.15:45
snap-lyour bank is SaaS15:45
snap-lyour e-mail will be SaaS15:45
snap-lyour friends will be SaaS15:45
The_MachineI won't have much to say15:45
The_MachineI won't have many friends, i guess15:45
The_Machineand my bank will have to take some gold deposits.15:45
snap-lThe_Machine: Good luck with that. :)15:46
The_Machinecause I'm starting to see the light when it comes to ditching my currency15:46
The_Machineanyway15:46
The_MachineThink about this15:46
The_MachineMS windows phone campaign was kind of a "ditch technology" pitch15:46
greg-guh oh15:46
snap-lThe_Machine: I'm very amused when people start talking about gold. :)15:46
greg-goh, I thought it was going to be a gold standard conversation :)15:47
greg-gI had a long debate with my buddy last night re monetary policy15:47
The_Machinebecause they see that there's a HUGE segment of people who really don't want to wrap themselves up in their phones15:47
The_Machineand the internet, and constantly be connected15:47
The_Machineif anything, there's going to be a large segment that outright refuses to15:47
greg-g(this is the @pete from identi.ca, for those that are subjected to our long identi.ca conversations)15:47
The_MachineI'm not a technophobe by any means, if anything..  i would consider myself somewhat bleeding edge15:48
The_Machineif not for anything because i'm a tech news junkie15:48
The_Machine(too broke to be an early adopter)15:48
The_Machineand a sysadmin, etc.15:48
snap-lThe_Machine: It amuses me too when people say they're not going to use a service15:48
The_Machinebut I don't see the benefit of SaaS and I'll actively give my business to places that maintain a B&M presence15:48
The_Machinesnap-l, not if there's competition offering something else15:48
snap-lbecause it's like being the owner of the first phone15:48
snap-lif there's nobody to call, it's rather pointless15:49
The_Machinehmm15:49
snap-land if everyone else uses something else, you're stuck15:49
The_Machinethat' sa little too utility for the analogy though15:49
The_Machinenope - i don't have to use facebook15:49
jrwrenThe_Machine: where are you at? are you interested in security?15:49
The_Machineno matter how many people think it's the bees knees15:49
snap-lThe_Machine: You're right. You don't. I don't.15:49
The_Machinejrwren, I've always been security minded..  but I'm not really a coder.15:50
snap-lbut if people continue to use it, and Facebook doesn't offer interoperability, then you're outside of the conversation htere.15:50
The_MachineI live in Bloomfield Twp, and I travel all over tri county doing onsite and remote sys admin15:50
jrwrenwe need QA people too.15:50
The_Machinejrwren, right now i'm kind of a generalist - wouldn't mind being security-focused though.  I guess it depends on what it entails.15:50
The_Machinebrb, have to change some DNS records15:51
snap-lMy biggest gripe is we have protocols for forums (usenet) but we've managed to kill them off15:51
snap-lI really wish more forums used usenet.15:51
snap-l(personal beef)15:51
The_Machinesad that you have to pay for usenet15:51
The_Machinei leeched off of an employers account fo ra long time, then they closed it15:52
The_Machinedoh.15:52
snap-lSad that it's to the point where you have to pay for usenet.15:52
The_Machineyep15:52
snap-lGoogle Groups is a poor substitute15:52
MaskedDriverusenet can be hosted. depending on the scale of the forums, they could easily be managed by a small group of people15:52
The_Machineheh, i love nzbs :P15:52
The_Machineat least over torrents15:52
snap-lMaskedDriver: Yeah, but it's finding someone that'l feed you.15:52
brouschSame with email. Used to be everyone had their own email server, now most people use Hotmail|Yahoo|Gmail15:52
snap-lI still host my own15:53
The_Machinebrousch, well when providers block port 25..15:53
brouschMost people15:53
The_Machineand make you have workarounds15:53
The_Machinealso, hosting usually means licensing15:53
greg-geven CC uses gmail hosted email :(15:53
The_Machinemeans spam filtering15:53
The_Machinemeans security and accounts and admin15:53
MaskedDriverThe_Machine: 90% of them will open if you call in15:53
The_MachineMaskedDriver, i did not know that.15:53
brouschThe_Machine: We pay for the Google Apps business version. We have a few people over the ~7GB email limit of the free version15:53
MaskedDriverI have Uverse and Port 25 was closed. They seemed satisfied that I knew what Port 25 was in general. Didn't ask too many questions15:53
MaskedDriverThe_Machine: your argument on licensing assumes you're using Exchange :) You can use something like Postfix for mail15:55
brouschSpam filtering was my biggest PITA when we hosted our own email15:55
MaskedDriverbrousch: aye15:56
nullspaceonce you get a Postfix server running its a dream but the trick is to get one up and configed correctly15:56
jrwrenThe_Machine: you can get free usenet on ipv6.15:56
MaskedDrivernullspace: it's not THAT difficult lol15:56
jrwrenand if you don't have native ipv6, use tunnelbroker15:56
MaskedDriverjrwren: link?15:57
nullspaceMaskedDriver: no not difficult, tedeious I'd think so15:57
MaskedDrivernullspace: aye, if you want it secure15:57
jrwrenMaskedDriver: he.net15:57
nullspaceand who wouldn't15:57
MaskedDrivernullspace: I can think of some people15:58
nullspaceapprently they care if email gets logged as spam or not15:58
The_MachineI was talking about the "most people" comment though15:58
MaskedDriverjrwren: need to have an IPv6 enabled host or router though15:58
The_Machinewhen it comes to licensing, etc.15:58
The_Machineand now that google does that for free..  meh15:58
The_Machinebut I can't say I'm hyped up about them having access to all data15:59
The_Machinecause you know that the NSA or whoever has access to all of that too15:59
The_MachineFBI, etc.15:59
jrwrenMaskedDriver: every OS supports ipv6 these days.15:59
MaskedDriverjrwren: guess it does say "or"15:59
MaskedDriverwas thinking about my router. I know it doesn't support it15:59
jrwrengo http://tunnelbroker.net/ and follow the  guides.15:59
MaskedDriveryeah I'm there, looking at it16:00
jrwrenyeah, its not easy to get your whole lan on. it is easy to get a single host on.16:00
MaskedDriverboss probably wouldn't like me messing with my work rig, so I'll wait til I get home to play around16:00
MaskedDriverassuming this will break the crap out of my domain setup though16:00
jrwrenMaskedDriver: google "ipv6 usenet" and there are even blog posts that talk about the nbz you mentioned.16:01
jrwrenI don't know about nbz16:01
jrwrenwhy would ipv6 break your domain setup?16:01
MaskedDriverjrwren: that was The_Machine16:01
MaskedDrivercommunicating across the domain16:01
jrwrenMaskedDriver: ah, sorry.16:01
jrwrenThe_Machine: ^^^16:01
jrwrenI don't even know what that means.16:01
jrwrenwhat does "communicating across the domain " mean?16:02
MaskedDriverjrwren: when I log in to my computer, it communicates with 192.168.1.7716:02
MaskedDriverif I'm using ipv6 it'll think, "wtf is this?"16:02
MaskedDriverand I can't log in16:02
jrwrenthat is ipv4 and has nothing to do with ipv6.16:02
jrwrenyou run dual stack.16:02
jrwrenit won't effect anything.16:02
MaskedDriverassumign I do it correctly lol16:02
jrwrensimply don't touch your ipv4 config16:02
MaskedDriver<nods>16:04
* MaskedDriver is a developer, not a network admin16:05
MaskedDriverI don't know much about ipv616:05
jrwrenjust talking about usenet and its accessibility. ipv6 makes it accessible16:07
MaskedDriveryeah16:08
MaskedDriverregardless, it's not that expensive16:08
MaskedDriverI move around different services regularly, taking advantage of any promotions they have going on16:09
jrwrenha!16:13
The_Machinetalk to you guys later..  forgot I have an appointment!16:19
brouschsnap-l: Did you submit your PyGame talk to PyOhio yet?17:39
snap-lbrousch: No, I didn't.17:39
brouschBooooooo17:39
snap-lgot a few things to take care of before then, and not sure I want to split my time that way.17:40
greg-gsplitting time? Isn't that the modus operandi?17:41
snap-lheh17:41
brouschSPLIT IT NOW17:44
rick_h_we shold tinker with this some time: https://dev.launchpad.net/yellow/Termbeamer18:09
snap-lThat's pretty snazzy.18:10
* nullspace is a meat popcicle 18:37
MaskedDrivernot random at all18:38
snap-lAnd there is the random thought for the day.18:38
snap-lJoin us tomorrow for another nullspace random thought18:38
* brousch thinks nullspace is either watching The Fifth Element or has his junk stuck in the freezer door18:39
nullspaceoh and IRC is full of contextually related sentances and full fleshed out segways?18:48
nullspaceI'd argue the whole of IRC is a a few conversations within a vast field of random thoughts18:49
rick_h_I'd say it's a noodle system. You throw the thought/link at the wall and see if it strikes up a conversation18:50
snap-lnullspace: Right, but eventually it becomes a tapestry when we give it some context.18:50
rick_h_I think we've estalished meat popsicles don't really get the communication juices flowing18:50
snap-lhttps://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=meat+popsicle18:51
rick_h_yea, that didn't help18:51
jjessewow so i apparently i turned off safe search at one time18:52
MaskedDriverprobably ruined my day in fact18:52
jjessethat is the wrong query to put into google18:52
jjesseat work18:52
MaskedDriverjjesse: at anywhere18:52
rick_h_though I am curious about the next 10 ads snap-l gets from google18:52
snap-ljjesse: You're welcome. :)18:52
jjessethanks :)  why am i getting an email from Human Resources :)18:52
snap-ljjesse: That's what safe search moderate is for. :)18:52
snap-land separate browsers. :)18:53
MaskedDriversnap-l: doesn't change the fact that it's querying "meat popsicle"18:53
snap-land VMs18:53
MaskedDriverhr might have a question about that... in general18:53
MaskedDriverVMs don't trick the smart sysadmin18:53
snap-lMaskedDriver: No, but SSH tunnels might put them off the scent.18:54
snap-lThank god for SSH connectivity at work.18:54
MaskedDriversnap-l: aye18:54
MaskedDriveryou assume, as well, that everyone has the ability to install software to allow them to do such things18:55
MaskedDrivergroup policy ftw18:55
snap-lI don't care about everyone else. I care that I have SSH connectivity18:55
MaskedDriver:)18:55
snap-lYou're all very nice people, but you're all just speedbumps if it means I can get away from an oncoming bus. ;)18:57
snap-l(note: I'm motly kidding)18:57
nullspacerick_h_: the scroll back speaks otherwise about communication juices flowing, in more ways than one, guh-rooosss18:57
jrwrennullspace: lol @ meat popcicle19:04
jrwrentermbeamer jus tautomates what you can do manually with tmux already?19:07
snap-ljrwren: Looks that way19:10
rick_h_Blazeix: so dock came in21:48
rick_h_Blazeix: verdict is that it kind of fits, have to hold down to hit contacts for charging, no audio out21:48
rick_h_will hope that 4.0.4 helps with some of it, I'm wondering if the larger battery is giving me grief. I'll test the wife's stock phone tonight21:49
rick_h_Blazeix: so no better fit with the wife's phone22:46
snap-lugh23:13
snap-lSo, it's useless then?23:13
Blazeixbummer, are you going to return it?23:17
rick_h_I'm not sure I can to the google play store.23:20
rick_h_I think I'll wait a few and see if the update comes23:20
rick_h_if I can use it for playing podcasts/weather/etc display on the desk I'll keep it, but not sure yet23:21

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