[02:00] <shakes808> What was that dropbox link from earlier?
[02:03] <Blazeix> shakes808: https://grepular.com/Protecting_Your_GNU_Linux_System_from_Dropbox
[02:11] <shakes808> thank you
[09:37] <brousch> A python.org membership reminder just emailled my password to me in plain text
[11:40] <shakes808> good morning
[11:44] <brousch> snap-l: do you have blender installed?
[11:44] <brousch> My mind was blown last night
[11:45] <snap-l> Yeah, I've installed it recently.
[11:45] <snap-l> It's changed a LOT with 2.5+
[11:46] <brousch> Have you hovered over any button/sliders/widget?
[11:48] <brousch> And pull down the python console
[11:48] <snap-l> unfortunately I'm on 2.49 on this machine
[11:48] <snap-l> but I have seen 2.5+ on my laptop
[11:49] <snap-l> and yeah, it's freaking amazing
[11:49] <snap-l> it's like a while new program
[11:49] <rick_h_> morning
[11:49] <brousch> It shows you the Python method that will be called when you click the widget
[11:50] <snap-l> brousch: That I didn't know
[11:50] <brousch> And then the console shows you everything that you've done
[11:50] <snap-l> Very cool
[11:50] <brousch> I want that everywhere!
[12:37] <snap-l> brousch: WTF is this tweet
[12:37] <brousch> Someone's presentation on why you don't need design patterns
[12:37] <brousch> in Python
[12:37] <snap-l> Yeah, I heard about that.
[12:37] <snap-l> Still want to know the lingo so I can sound smart
[12:38] <snap-l> Oh, yeah, that's a defibrillator pattern
[12:42] <brousch> Is that an actual design pattern?
[12:45] <shakes808> So off topic for a second: I was just in Google Play looking at the music selection. I went under Metal and guess what was #1 for Top Albums?
[12:47] <snap-l> Warrant?
[12:47] <snap-l> Oh, wait, I've got this one
[12:48] <snap-l> Evanescence
[12:48] <snap-l> Guns and Roses
[12:48] <snap-l> Five Finger Death Punch
[12:48] <shakes808> lol Evanescence and G'n'R were in there4
[12:48] <shakes808> NOPE
[12:48] <shakes808> BON JOVI
[12:48] <snap-l> Not on my radar
[12:48] <shakes808> Since when is Bon f'n Jovi Metal?
[12:48] <snap-l> OOh, not songs
[12:48] <brousch> Did one of them die?
[12:48] <snap-l> Bon Jovi greatest hits, eh?
[12:48] <shakes808> no albums
[12:49] <shakes808> yea
[12:49] <snap-l> I got no beef with BonJovi. It got me to the good stuff
[12:49] <brousch> You sicken me
[12:50] <snap-l> You need Bon Jovi to pay for the artists that aren't going to break 1m records.
[12:50] <shakes808> lol and others in "METAL" are Chevelle, Alice In Chains, Three Days Grace, Insane Clown Posse, Seether, Alter Bridge .... These are not metal lol
[12:50] <snap-l> At least under the old model
[12:50] <shakes808> I don't have a problem with some Bon Jovi, he is just not "Metal"
[12:50] <snap-l> shakes808: You must have a slightly different screen
[12:51] <snap-l> mine has cannibal corpse as an artist spotlight
[12:51] <snap-l> shakes808: Hate to break it to you, but Bon Jovi is metal
[12:51] <snap-l> false metal, maybe
[12:51] <shakes808> I don't see any CC on my screen
[12:51] <snap-l> shakes808: You need to do more youtube listening. ;)
[12:52] <shakes808> I seen some Marilyn, Five Finger, ?Queens of the Stone Age?, Slash, G'n'R as the top 6
[12:52] <shakes808> HA HA
[12:52] <snap-l> Or do a podcst. :)
[12:52] <shakes808> I listen to your podcast every now and again, when I remember lol
[12:52] <snap-l> There's a new episode out now.
[12:52] <snap-l> Instrumetalcast #6
[12:53] <shakes808> Where is the spotlight section that you speak of?
[12:53] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/05/31/open-metalcast-instrumetalcast-6-tragedy-of-slow-and-low/
[12:54] <snap-l> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Screenshot.png
[12:54] <snap-l> shakes808: ^
[12:55] <shakes808> That isn't on my screens
[12:56] <shakes808> I don't see that layout anywhere
[12:56] <snap-l> Maybe I have it because fo clean living or something :)
[12:57] <shakes808> lol
[12:59] <shakes808> interesting, you are on the same network and Google Play should be the same across the board, wonder why they are different?
[13:02] <snap-l> Do you have flash blocking? :)
[13:02] <shakes808> Not that I am aware of
[13:03] <shakes808> The way I am seeing it now is how I have always seen Google Play. Rooted or not.
[13:04] <shakes808> Flash is working on my phone, just loaded up www.realmofthemadgod.com
[13:05] <shakes808> and that is all flash
[13:05] <snap-l> I'm using the website. That's why. :)
[13:06] <shakes808> lol
[13:06] <shakes808> oh, i am on the app
[13:38] <brousch> More interesting than the title implies: https://grepular.com/Protecting_Your_GNU_Linux_System_from_Dropbox
[13:39] <snap-l> brousch: I posted that yesterday.
[13:39] <snap-l> I think the title is misleading, but it's interesting to see what can be done to help isolate a process
[13:40] <brousch> Right
[13:40] <brousch> I skipped it the first 2 times I saw it because I figured it was just paranoid crap
[14:20] <nullspace> why does it seem like everyday on 12.04 there is a completely new batch of updates...
[14:21] <rick_h_> because you've subscribed to a daily ppa?
[14:23] <nullspace> I have extras.ubuntu.com but I don't think that's a ppa
[14:23] <rick_h_> just guessing/tossing it out there
[14:23] <nullspace> would make sense
[14:23] <rick_h_> I know between the FF nightly and Chrome dev I tend to get updates very often
[14:24] <brousch> nullspace: I have a random spattering of updates every day
[14:24] <brousch> It seems like they're rarely the same things being updated
[14:25] <nullspace> yeah
[14:31] <greg-g> I'm having the weirdest internet experiences in MPLS
[14:32] <greg-g> last night I couldn't connect to FB (I know I know, I haven't logged in for months, but I was just getting a couple people's emails - old friends from college I'm going to meet up with tonight)
[14:32] <brousch> MPLS?
[14:32] <greg-g> and now, Google Calendar isn't loading. But everything else (all websites I try and low level ping/ssh are fine)
[14:32] <greg-g> Minneapolis, MN
[14:33] <brousch> Could it be a keyword filter?
[14:33] <greg-g> it'd be hilarious
[14:33] <brousch> You could have cuss words in your calendar titles
[14:33] <greg-g> I wouldn't put it past my buddy, but I'm now at a coffee shop
[14:33] <greg-g> Yeah, Minneasotans don't cuss
[14:34] <brousch> Sure they do, gosh darn it
[14:34] <MaskedDriver> facebook was having issues for everyone last night I believe
[14:34] <greg-g> MaskedDriver: wow, did the world explode and I didn't notice?
[14:34] <MaskedDriver> it would appear so
[14:35]  * MaskedDriver enjoys trolling on Facebook
[14:35] <greg-g> weird, google.com isn't loading over http[s]
[14:35] <MaskedDriver> Someone puts a post or something that isn't funny or sad or something, then just comment with "lol"
[14:35] <MaskedDriver> greg-g: working for me
[14:37] <greg-g> this is weird
[14:37] <MaskedDriver> which browser? could be browser-specific
[14:37] <MaskedDriver> or did your browser's entire https protocol break?
[14:39] <brousch> MitM
[14:39] <brousch> You been h4x0rd!
[14:39] <MaskedDriver> RUN
[14:40] <brousch> Mail me your laptop. I'll fix it for you
[14:44] <greg-g> Fx Nightly and hmmm, https for our internal CC wiki isn't responding
[14:44] <greg-g> I am being haxored
[14:45] <greg-g> "SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length."
[14:49] <snap-l> greg-g: Try ssh tunneling to a known good machine
[14:49] <snap-l> like your colo or something
[14:49] <snap-l> might be some wonkiness along your router-path
[14:49] <greg-g> snap-l: Chromium doesn't complain about SSL and connects to those sites. i blame Fx Nightly doing something crazy
[14:50] <snap-l> greg-g: And reason +1 why I don't follow nightlies. :)
[14:50] <snap-l> save for Banshee
[14:50] <greg-g> :)
[14:50] <greg-g> Fx nightly was doing great for a while, just the past 2 weeks have been rough
[14:53] <snap-l> Blazeix: Hmm, I think there's some wonkiness with the MUG theme
[14:53] <snap-l> http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=1
[14:53] <snap-l> Trying to get the ical list from civicrm, but the theme wants to fire.
[14:54] <snap-l> Wondering if that's a bug with civicrm or WP
[14:54] <MaskedDriver> where are these mug meetings?
[14:54] <MaskedDriver> nvm.. I can read
[14:55] <snap-l> http://www.mug.org/meetings/
[14:55] <snap-l> ;)
[14:55] <MaskedDriver> lol yeah.. I figured it out. I'm good like that
[14:56] <MaskedDriver> Farmington Hills not to far from me
[14:56] <snap-l> All are welcome, admission is free.
[14:56] <MaskedDriver> I'll probably stop by sometime in the next few months. June is a crazy month for me, unfortunately
[14:57] <snap-l> np
[14:57] <MaskedDriver> new to MI (well, a year) and haven't gotten involved in any FOSS groups yet
[14:58] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: There's a few you should attend
[14:58] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Ubuntu MI Loco (you're soaking in it)
[14:58] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: MUG (You're aware of it)
[14:58] <devinheitmueller> MaskedDriver: I would definitely encourage it.  I moved to Detroit for a year and met lots of great people at MUG.
[14:58] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Coffee House Coders (should you be of a developer-bent)
[14:58] <MaskedDriver> snap-l: aye... I was the head of the Columbus, OH Really Local Community for about a year
[14:59] <MaskedDriver> when paultag headed up the LoCo
[14:59] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Were you at Ohio Linuxfest?
[14:59] <snap-l> Yeah, I know paultag
[14:59] <MaskedDriver> not the last couple years. conflicted with my yearly Mackinac trip
[14:59] <MaskedDriver> thinking about attending this year though since it's later in the month
[14:59] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Hah, too funny
[15:00] <snap-l> we made the trip down, and you made the trip way way up
[15:00] <MaskedDriver> :)
[15:01] <MaskedDriver> snap-l: yeah. you heading down to OLF this year?
[15:02] <snap-l> planning on it
[15:03] <MaskedDriver> not sure who's in charge of the Ubuntu booth this year
[15:03] <MaskedDriver> haven't talked to the OH group for about a year
[15:03] <snap-l> Yeah, we did a combined Lococast / ubuntu MI booth
[15:03] <snap-l> we being rick_h_ and I
[15:04] <MaskedDriver> I'm assuming jacob will have at least some sort of part in the planning of that. I'd assume gilbert will do some stuff too
[15:04] <rick_h_> I'm going to be in VA for OLF this year
[15:04] <rick_h_> snap-l: ^
[15:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's nowhere near OLF
[15:05] <snap-l> will be a hell of a trek to the convention center. ;)
[15:05] <rick_h_> yea, a few states over
[15:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: But I think you'll manage.
[15:05] <rick_h_> yea, might just run over for dinner
[15:05] <MaskedDriver> funny.. they change the dates that work better for me, but screw over other people
[15:06] <MaskedDriver> can't please everybody all the time
[15:06] <rick_h_> well, we moved our annual VA trip down into the fall to be cooler this year (well later summer I guess not sure)
[15:06] <snap-l> Yeah, that's the nature of the beast.
[15:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: You do realize by doing that, Mother Nature will make it 90 with 90% humidity
[15:06] <snap-l> just for you.
[15:07] <MaskedDriver> rick_h_: aye.. I'm just hoping Mackinac Island will be as nice as it was last year.. 70-80 degrees
[15:07] <rick_h_> snap-l: well last year it was 95% with 90% humidity
[15:07] <rick_h_> sorry, 95degrees with 90% humidity
[15:07] <snap-l> yeah, gathered. :)
[15:07] <rick_h_> I don't want to drive to VA for the week and be able to let the boy outside for fear he'll kill himself
[15:07] <rick_h_> last year sucked
[15:07] <MaskedDriver> makes all the walking and biking far more bareable than the 50-60 we had the previous couple years
[15:08] <rick_h_> we had to kill days of stuff due to heat, so July4 is no longer the target VA date
[15:09] <brousch> MaskedDriver: You go to Mackinac every year?
[15:09] <MaskedDriver> brousch: I do. For the 8-mile race thing they have every September
[15:10] <MaskedDriver> my fat @$$ doesn't run but my g/f's brother and mom do
[15:12] <MaskedDriver> The_Machine: you end up toying around with any Distros yet?
[15:20] <The_Machine> not yet.
[15:20] <MaskedDriver> The_Machine: :(
[15:20] <The_Machine> Went to carnival, watched 2 episodes of Mad Men with the wife, slept, started work
[15:20] <MaskedDriver> gotcha
[15:20] <The_Machine> i'm realizing though, the idea of putting ubuntu as my primary laptop OS is not the best
[15:20] <MaskedDriver> oh?
[15:21] <The_Machine> as I need to be able to bring up certain windows apps right away
[15:21] <The_Machine> for instance, vsphere client
[15:21] <The_Machine> to administer esxi/vcenter hosts
[15:21] <The_Machine> I could do it in a VM
[15:21] <rick_h_> RDS or virtual machine
[15:21] <The_Machine> but if my desktop OS someone is misbehaving
[15:21] <The_Machine> somehow
[15:21] <rick_h_> setup a machine with that stuff and remote desktop into it
[15:21] <The_Machine> I travel all around (consulting)
[15:21] <MaskedDriver> rick_h_: this
[15:21] <The_Machine> so unless I carry two laptops, it's not likely
[15:22] <The_Machine> I could make an ubuntu VM, but it isn't really immersion
[15:22] <The_Machine> damn, I need a clone.
[15:22] <The_Machine> (of myself)
[15:22] <MaskedDriver> Dual-boot?
[15:22] <MaskedDriver> Ubuntu when you don't need Windows
[15:22] <The_Machine> could dual boot.  that's the next option.
[15:22] <The_Machine> Actually
[15:22] <The_Machine> windows when I can't do what I need in ubuntu
[15:22] <MaskedDriver> I tri-boot my laptop
[15:22] <The_Machine> i would use ubuntu all of the time
[15:22] <MaskedDriver> Ubuntu, Win 7, Win 8
[15:22] <The_Machine> my HDD is small though
[15:22] <The_Machine> see, i considered putting the release preview of 8 on
[15:23] <The_Machine> but I think i might run into just as many problems as with ubuntu
[15:23] <The_Machine> with certain app incompatabilities
[15:23] <The_Machine> (like, Sonicwall VPN client, or..  whatever)
[15:23] <The_Machine> Citrix clients, vsphere clients
[15:23] <The_Machine> hehe
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> I used Win8 as my daily driver on my gaming machine until I got my Naga 2012 Edition mouse and their synapse client didn't work
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> had to go back to Win7
[15:23] <brousch> You can usually find an open source app that does the same things as a closed source application, which is preferable to running under wine when you can
[15:24] <The_Machine> brousch, not with this kind of stuff
[15:24] <The_Machine> google "vsphere client esxi 4.1 linux" and you'll see what i mean.
[15:24] <brousch> Yeah, sounds like you're locked into a lot of Windows-only programs
[15:24] <The_Machine> everyone just bitches about it
[15:24]  * The_Machine nods
[15:24] <brousch> Fix that first ;)
[15:24] <The_Machine> paycheck or ubuntu, let's see..  HMMM..
[15:25] <brousch> s/or/and/
[15:25] <The_Machine> i hate win fanboys
[15:25] <The_Machine> but that's what my boss is
[15:25] <The_Machine> and he'll never change.
[15:26] <The_Machine> (though, i did get him to start using ESX and iphone) :P
[15:26] <The_Machine> windows mobile 6.  disgusting.
[15:28] <brousch> Find a new boss!
[15:28] <The_Machine> I'm going to soon enough.
[15:28] <The_Machine> actually
[15:28] <The_Machine> so I'm assuming you guys work in IT?
[15:29] <The_Machine> are you specialized or an "everything" janitor like me?
[15:29] <The_Machine> my resume has been kind of tricky
[15:29] <brousch> I'm a generalist
[15:29] <The_Machine> same
[15:29] <brousch> Where are you located?
[15:29] <The_Machine> how the hell do you advertise that on your resume though?
[15:29] <The_Machine> Bloomfield Twp
[15:29] <brousch> List all the things that entails, emphasizing the most relevant skills for whatever job you're apply for
[15:30] <The_Machine> so you tailor it?
[15:30] <The_Machine> what about your "dice.com" resume or whatever you would call it?
[15:30] <The_Machine> the general one that's up there?
[15:30] <brousch> I haven't had a resume in 12 years, but I would tailor it
[15:30] <The_Machine> I haven't updated mine since this new job
[15:30] <The_Machine> but I don't feel like I can brag about any particular skills
[15:30] <The_Machine> but I can brag about being a generalist?
[15:30] <brousch> I guess I would make the Dice one non-tailored, so it would be really long
[15:30] <The_Machine> (does that make sense?)
[15:31] <brousch> Yes
[15:31] <The_Machine> I can say I know exchange, sql, filesystems, permissions, networking, filrewalls, routers, vpns, ..  the list would go on for hours
[15:31] <The_Machine> i could just keep typing technologies I can implement
[15:31] <The_Machine> but i'm not a *master* at them necessarily
[15:32] <brousch> Very good skillset
[15:32] <The_Machine> like a specialized Exchange Admin who can deploy 10,000 mailboxes without some heavy learning
[15:32] <brousch> For the right kind of company
[15:32] <The_Machine> oh yea
[15:32] <brousch> Those are the jobs you should look for
[15:32] <The_Machine> and I could probably run about 20 small businesses all on my own
[15:32] <The_Machine> as long as I had a gimp to be my hands once in a while
[15:32] <brousch> That's another good route
[15:32] <The_Machine> That's essentially what I do now, but for someone else
[15:33] <The_Machine> and i don't have to deal with a lot of the business BS
[15:33] <brousch> I know several self-employed people in GR who are the IT guy for many companies
[15:33] <The_Machine> so far i've liked it
[15:33] <The_Machine> (not having to deal with many business aspects..  non paying customers, etc)
[15:33]  * The_Machine nods
[15:33] <The_Machine> it's a decent living, and i'll probably be able to do it for the next 20 years
[15:34] <The_Machine> until the cloud and cell devices are so ubiquitous
[15:34] <The_Machine> that everything has redundant connections to multiple towers
[15:34] <brousch> heh, interesting you bring that up
[15:34] <The_Machine> and nothing is hosted on a client
[15:34] <The_Machine> so then the world is truly "cloud ready"
[15:34] <brousch> https://plus.google.com/110804743960557196086/posts/SWD2tN17FHL
[15:34] <The_Machine> because Chrome OS is retarded at this point.
[15:34] <brousch> ChromeOS is very nice for my kid!
[15:34] <The_Machine> sure thing
[15:35] <The_Machine> i'm talking 100+ employee companies
[15:35] <The_Machine> all relying on a T1 because they're locked into a 3 year contract
[15:35] <The_Machine> because of a decision by "purchasing" because it seemed like a good idea at the time
[15:35] <The_Machine> etc.
[15:35] <The_Machine> once LTE really takes off
[15:35] <The_Machine> and you can get dual radios in devices
[15:35] <The_Machine> then a 2 x 21 mbps connection to two different carriers
[15:35] <The_Machine> and IPV6
[15:36] <The_Machine> can connect to an app in the cloud..  with redundnacy
[15:36] <brousch> We have Comcast business. It's hella fast and has been reliable
[15:36] <The_Machine> yea, most of my clients do too
[15:39] <The_Machine> and I can't say better things
[15:39] <The_Machine> oh, hey
[15:39] <The_Machine> are you getting bouncebacks when you send to @hotmail.com right now?
[15:39] <The_Machine> (assuming that you are using your comcast connection for mail)
[15:39] <The_Machine> the comcast IP block is being blacklisted by hotmail right now in this region
[15:40] <brousch> People still use hotmail?
[15:40] <The_Machine> lots of people, unfortunately
[15:40] <brousch> We use Google Apps
[15:40] <snap-l> Yes, my mom uses hotmail
[15:40] <snap-l> even though she hates it
[15:41] <brousch> Yo mama so n00b she still use Hotmail!
[15:41] <brousch> Sorry
[15:41] <snap-l> brousch: my momma so newb she doesn't use snopes
[15:42] <greg-g> apropos to this conversation:
[15:42] <greg-g> Moglen, claims that Facebook’s days as a dominant platform are numbered, because we will soon have decentralized social platforms, based on projects such as FreedomBox, users will operate their own federated platforms and form collective social platforms based on their own hardware, retain control of their own data, etc.
[15:42] <greg-g> I can understand and share Moglen’s enthusiasm for such a vision, however this is not the observable history of our communications platforms, not the obvious direction they seem to be headed, and there is no clear reason to believe this will change.
[15:42] <greg-g> The trajectory that Moglen is using has centralized social media as the starting point and distributed social media as the place we are moving toward. But in actual fact, distributed social media is where we started, and centralized platforms are where we have arrived.
[15:42] <greg-g> http://www.dmytri.info/privacy-moglen-ioerror-rp12/
[15:43] <brousch> I agree with the anti-Moglen
[15:43] <snap-l> sent me a list of forwards that was a veritable clusterbleep of misinformation
[15:43] <brousch> Very, very few people want to run their own social network infrastructure
[15:43] <greg-g> I'm a fan of moglen, but the point this guy rasises (we're going decentralized to centralized) is true, and scary.
[15:44] <snap-l> greg-g: Facebook will die off soon, but it won't be because of the Freedombox, no matter how successful
[15:44] <The_Machine> google apps is a wise choice
[15:44] <The_Machine> do you pay for the premium?
[15:44] <greg-g> never said it would :)
[15:44] <snap-l> greg-g: but yes, we're moving back to the mainframe
[15:44] <snap-l> all of the work that the PC revolution did is being pulled apart
[15:44] <snap-l> software as service, etc.
[15:44] <The_Machine> I'll never give up my HDD
[15:44] <The_Machine> fuck that
[15:45] <The_Machine> i don't want anyone else owning my data
[15:45] <snap-l> The_Machine: You won't have to, but you won't have much to do with it
[15:45] <The_Machine> except freenode :P  you can have my speech, freenode.
[15:45] <snap-l> your bank is SaaS
[15:45] <snap-l> your e-mail will be SaaS
[15:45] <snap-l> your friends will be SaaS
[15:45] <The_Machine> I won't have much to say
[15:45] <The_Machine> I won't have many friends, i guess
[15:45] <The_Machine> and my bank will have to take some gold deposits.
[15:46] <snap-l> The_Machine: Good luck with that. :)
[15:46] <The_Machine> cause I'm starting to see the light when it comes to ditching my currency
[15:46] <The_Machine> anyway
[15:46] <The_Machine> Think about this
[15:46] <The_Machine> MS windows phone campaign was kind of a "ditch technology" pitch
[15:46] <greg-g> uh oh
[15:46] <snap-l> The_Machine: I'm very amused when people start talking about gold. :)
[15:47] <greg-g> oh, I thought it was going to be a gold standard conversation :)
[15:47] <greg-g> I had a long debate with my buddy last night re monetary policy
[15:47] <The_Machine> because they see that there's a HUGE segment of people who really don't want to wrap themselves up in their phones
[15:47] <The_Machine> and the internet, and constantly be connected
[15:47] <The_Machine> if anything, there's going to be a large segment that outright refuses to
[15:47] <greg-g> (this is the @pete from identi.ca, for those that are subjected to our long identi.ca conversations)
[15:48] <The_Machine> I'm not a technophobe by any means, if anything..  i would consider myself somewhat bleeding edge
[15:48] <The_Machine> if not for anything because i'm a tech news junkie
[15:48] <The_Machine> (too broke to be an early adopter)
[15:48] <The_Machine> and a sysadmin, etc.
[15:48] <snap-l> The_Machine: It amuses me too when people say they're not going to use a service
[15:48] <The_Machine> but I don't see the benefit of SaaS and I'll actively give my business to places that maintain a B&M presence
[15:48] <The_Machine> snap-l, not if there's competition offering something else
[15:48] <snap-l> because it's like being the owner of the first phone
[15:49] <snap-l> if there's nobody to call, it's rather pointless
[15:49] <The_Machine> hmm
[15:49] <snap-l> and if everyone else uses something else, you're stuck
[15:49] <The_Machine> that' sa little too utility for the analogy though
[15:49] <The_Machine> nope - i don't have to use facebook
[15:49] <jrwren> The_Machine: where are you at? are you interested in security?
[15:49] <The_Machine> no matter how many people think it's the bees knees
[15:49] <snap-l> The_Machine: You're right. You don't. I don't.
[15:50] <The_Machine> jrwren, I've always been security minded..  but I'm not really a coder.
[15:50] <snap-l> but if people continue to use it, and Facebook doesn't offer interoperability, then you're outside of the conversation htere.
[15:50] <The_Machine> I live in Bloomfield Twp, and I travel all over tri county doing onsite and remote sys admin
[15:50] <jrwren> we need QA people too.
[15:50] <The_Machine> jrwren, right now i'm kind of a generalist - wouldn't mind being security-focused though.  I guess it depends on what it entails.
[15:51] <The_Machine> brb, have to change some DNS records
[15:51] <snap-l> My biggest gripe is we have protocols for forums (usenet) but we've managed to kill them off
[15:51] <snap-l> I really wish more forums used usenet.
[15:51] <snap-l> (personal beef)
[15:51] <The_Machine> sad that you have to pay for usenet
[15:52] <The_Machine> i leeched off of an employers account fo ra long time, then they closed it
[15:52] <The_Machine> doh.
[15:52] <snap-l> Sad that it's to the point where you have to pay for usenet.
[15:52] <The_Machine> yep
[15:52] <snap-l> Google Groups is a poor substitute
[15:52] <MaskedDriver> usenet can be hosted. depending on the scale of the forums, they could easily be managed by a small group of people
[15:52] <The_Machine> heh, i love nzbs :P
[15:52] <The_Machine> at least over torrents
[15:52] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Yeah, but it's finding someone that'l feed you.
[15:52] <brousch> Same with email. Used to be everyone had their own email server, now most people use Hotmail|Yahoo|Gmail
[15:53] <snap-l> I still host my own
[15:53] <The_Machine> brousch, well when providers block port 25..
[15:53] <brousch> Most people
[15:53] <The_Machine> and make you have workarounds
[15:53] <The_Machine> also, hosting usually means licensing
[15:53] <greg-g> even CC uses gmail hosted email :(
[15:53] <The_Machine> means spam filtering
[15:53] <The_Machine> means security and accounts and admin
[15:53] <MaskedDriver> The_Machine: 90% of them will open if you call in
[15:53] <The_Machine> MaskedDriver, i did not know that.
[15:53] <brousch> The_Machine: We pay for the Google Apps business version. We have a few people over the ~7GB email limit of the free version
[15:53] <MaskedDriver> I have Uverse and Port 25 was closed. They seemed satisfied that I knew what Port 25 was in general. Didn't ask too many questions
[15:55] <MaskedDriver> The_Machine: your argument on licensing assumes you're using Exchange :) You can use something like Postfix for mail
[15:55] <brousch> Spam filtering was my biggest PITA when we hosted our own email
[15:56] <MaskedDriver> brousch: aye
[15:56] <nullspace> once you get a Postfix server running its a dream but the trick is to get one up and configed correctly
[15:56] <jrwren> The_Machine: you can get free usenet on ipv6.
[15:56] <MaskedDriver> nullspace: it's not THAT difficult lol
[15:56] <jrwren> and if you don't have native ipv6, use tunnelbroker
[15:57] <MaskedDriver> jrwren: link?
[15:57] <nullspace> MaskedDriver: no not difficult, tedeious I'd think so
[15:57] <MaskedDriver> nullspace: aye, if you want it secure
[15:57] <jrwren> MaskedDriver: he.net
[15:57] <nullspace> and who wouldn't
[15:58] <MaskedDriver> nullspace: I can think of some people
[15:58] <nullspace> apprently they care if email gets logged as spam or not
[15:58] <The_Machine> I was talking about the "most people" comment though
[15:58] <MaskedDriver> jrwren: need to have an IPv6 enabled host or router though
[15:58] <The_Machine> when it comes to licensing, etc.
[15:58] <The_Machine> and now that google does that for free..  meh
[15:59] <The_Machine> but I can't say I'm hyped up about them having access to all data
[15:59] <The_Machine> cause you know that the NSA or whoever has access to all of that too
[15:59] <The_Machine> FBI, etc.
[15:59] <jrwren> MaskedDriver: every OS supports ipv6 these days.
[15:59] <MaskedDriver> jrwren: guess it does say "or"
[15:59] <MaskedDriver> was thinking about my router. I know it doesn't support it
[15:59] <jrwren> go http://tunnelbroker.net/ and follow the  guides.
[16:00] <MaskedDriver> yeah I'm there, looking at it
[16:00] <jrwren> yeah, its not easy to get your whole lan on. it is easy to get a single host on.
[16:00] <MaskedDriver> boss probably wouldn't like me messing with my work rig, so I'll wait til I get home to play around
[16:00] <MaskedDriver> assuming this will break the crap out of my domain setup though
[16:01] <jrwren> MaskedDriver: google "ipv6 usenet" and there are even blog posts that talk about the nbz you mentioned.
[16:01] <jrwren> I don't know about nbz
[16:01] <jrwren> why would ipv6 break your domain setup?
[16:01] <MaskedDriver> jrwren: that was The_Machine
[16:01] <MaskedDriver> communicating across the domain
[16:01] <jrwren> MaskedDriver: ah, sorry.
[16:01] <jrwren> The_Machine: ^^^
[16:01] <jrwren> I don't even know what that means.
[16:02] <jrwren> what does "communicating across the domain " mean?
[16:02] <MaskedDriver> jrwren: when I log in to my computer, it communicates with 192.168.1.77
[16:02] <MaskedDriver> if I'm using ipv6 it'll think, "wtf is this?"
[16:02] <MaskedDriver> and I can't log in
[16:02] <jrwren> that is ipv4 and has nothing to do with ipv6.
[16:02] <jrwren> you run dual stack.
[16:02] <jrwren> it won't effect anything.
[16:02] <MaskedDriver> assumign I do it correctly lol
[16:02] <jrwren> simply don't touch your ipv4 config
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[16:05]  * MaskedDriver is a developer, not a network admin
[16:05] <MaskedDriver> I don't know much about ipv6
[16:07] <jrwren> just talking about usenet and its accessibility. ipv6 makes it accessible
[16:08] <MaskedDriver> yeah
[16:08] <MaskedDriver> regardless, it's not that expensive
[16:09] <MaskedDriver> I move around different services regularly, taking advantage of any promotions they have going on
[16:13] <jrwren> ha!
[16:19] <The_Machine> talk to you guys later..  forgot I have an appointment!
[17:39] <brousch> snap-l: Did you submit your PyGame talk to PyOhio yet?
[17:39] <snap-l> brousch: No, I didn't.
[17:39] <brousch> Booooooo
[17:40] <snap-l> got a few things to take care of before then, and not sure I want to split my time that way.
[17:41] <greg-g> splitting time? Isn't that the modus operandi?
[17:41] <snap-l> heh
[17:44] <brousch> SPLIT IT NOW
[18:09] <rick_h_> we shold tinker with this some time: https://dev.launchpad.net/yellow/Termbeamer
[18:10] <snap-l> That's pretty snazzy.
[18:37]  * nullspace is a meat popcicle 
[18:38] <MaskedDriver> not random at all
[18:38] <snap-l> And there is the random thought for the day.
[18:38] <snap-l> Join us tomorrow for another nullspace random thought
[18:39]  * brousch thinks nullspace is either watching The Fifth Element or has his junk stuck in the freezer door
[18:48] <nullspace> oh and IRC is full of contextually related sentances and full fleshed out segways?
[18:49] <nullspace> I'd argue the whole of IRC is a a few conversations within a vast field of random thoughts
[18:50] <rick_h_> I'd say it's a noodle system. You throw the thought/link at the wall and see if it strikes up a conversation
[18:50] <snap-l> nullspace: Right, but eventually it becomes a tapestry when we give it some context.
[18:50] <rick_h_> I think we've estalished meat popsicles don't really get the communication juices flowing
[18:51] <snap-l> https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=meat+popsicle
[18:51] <rick_h_> yea, that didn't help
[18:52] <jjesse> wow so i apparently i turned off safe search at one time
[18:52] <MaskedDriver> probably ruined my day in fact
[18:52] <jjesse> that is the wrong query to put into google
[18:52] <jjesse> at work
[18:52] <MaskedDriver> jjesse: at anywhere
[18:52] <rick_h_> though I am curious about the next 10 ads snap-l gets from google
[18:52] <snap-l> jjesse: You're welcome. :)
[18:52] <jjesse> thanks :)  why am i getting an email from Human Resources :)
[18:52] <snap-l> jjesse: That's what safe search moderate is for. :)
[18:53] <snap-l> and separate browsers. :)
[18:53] <MaskedDriver> snap-l: doesn't change the fact that it's querying "meat popsicle"
[18:53] <snap-l> and VMs
[18:53] <MaskedDriver> hr might have a question about that... in general
[18:53] <MaskedDriver> VMs don't trick the smart sysadmin
[18:54] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: No, but SSH tunnels might put them off the scent.
[18:54] <snap-l> Thank god for SSH connectivity at work.
[18:54] <MaskedDriver> snap-l: aye
[18:55] <MaskedDriver> you assume, as well, that everyone has the ability to install software to allow them to do such things
[18:55] <MaskedDriver> group policy ftw
[18:55] <snap-l> I don't care about everyone else. I care that I have SSH connectivity
[18:55] <MaskedDriver> :)
[18:57] <snap-l> You're all very nice people, but you're all just speedbumps if it means I can get away from an oncoming bus. ;)
[18:57] <snap-l> (note: I'm motly kidding)
[18:57] <nullspace> rick_h_: the scroll back speaks otherwise about communication juices flowing, in more ways than one, guh-rooosss
[19:04] <jrwren> nullspace: lol @ meat popcicle
[19:07] <jrwren> termbeamer jus tautomates what you can do manually with tmux already?
[19:10] <snap-l> jrwren: Looks that way
[21:48] <rick_h_> Blazeix: so dock came in
[21:48] <rick_h_> Blazeix: verdict is that it kind of fits, have to hold down to hit contacts for charging, no audio out
[21:49] <rick_h_> will hope that 4.0.4 helps with some of it, I'm wondering if the larger battery is giving me grief. I'll test the wife's stock phone tonight
[22:46] <rick_h_> Blazeix: so no better fit with the wife's phone
[23:13] <snap-l> ugh
[23:13] <snap-l> So, it's useless then?
[23:17] <Blazeix> bummer, are you going to return it?
[23:20] <rick_h_> I'm not sure I can to the google play store.
[23:20] <rick_h_> I think I'll wait a few and see if the update comes
[23:21] <rick_h_> if I can use it for playing podcasts/weather/etc display on the desk I'll keep it, but not sure yet