| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (riley_ appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) | 00:35 |
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| smw | HI all, just wanted to point out that the flood bots seem to disagree on setting +j | 01:48 |
| reisio | bots are just +j'ing and -j'ing eternally | 01:49 |
| smw | reisio, yep, just mentioned that :-) | 01:49 |
| reisio | smw: you cheater | 01:55 |
| smw | :-P | 01:55 |
| reisio | and as usual, an -ops channel proves itself nothing but an excuse to get angry people to talk somewhere other than public | 01:55 |
| Jordan_U | smw: Hopefully it should be fixed now... | 01:56 |
| smw | cool. thanks | 01:57 |
| Myrtti | Jordan_U: I have done some cleaning some time ago, others might have as well. eir doesn't have an autoremove of bans in #ubuntu by default. | 02:39 |
| Jordan_U | Myrtti: I looked at the ban tracker and the bans were removed by eir. I'm almost cetain that I never set a ban duration with eir without also adding a comment at the same time. | 02:40 |
| Myrtti | Jordan_U: yes, and I've done some cleaning by setting eir to remove some of the bans | 02:40 |
| Jordan_U | Myrtti: Ahh, that makes sense. Thank you and sorry for leaving a mess to be cleaned up. | 02:41 |
| Myrtti | I can't remember offhand if any of them were yours tho | 02:41 |
| Myrtti | no worries, I've given up now. | 02:41 |
| Jordan_U | Myrtti: Given up on? | 02:41 |
| Myrtti | on eir, since there's different opinions on what is supposed to be used, again. | 02:41 |
| Jordan_U | Well that's fun. | 02:43 |
| Myrtti | I agree | 02:45 |
| elky | o.O | 06:09 |
| Madpilot | ? | 06:14 |
| bazhang | clearly a troll | 06:14 |
| Madpilot | ah, just caught up to the -offtopic happenings | 06:15 |
| bazhang | safdsf <--- new nick | 06:15 |
| elky | in the space of 2 minutes, asked how to register in shattoloworth blog, and if there were single women | 06:16 |
| Madpilot | and never could manage to spell Shuttleworth correctly, just for bonus points | 06:16 |
| bazhang | he got close: shuttlworth | 06:17 |
| Madpilot | still needed to buy a vowel | 06:17 |
| bazhang | hehe | 06:17 |
| elky | Perhaps that's part of his problem. Keeps going to markshattlowowororoth.com or something | 06:17 |
| Madpilot | heh | 06:19 |
| bazhang | never responded to my PM , just finally quit the channel | 06:25 |
| oCean | * globalbot (~globalbot@unaffiliated/suborbital/bot/djglobalbot) has joined #ubuntu | 08:49 |
| oCean | suborbital? | 08:49 |
| ikonia | I believe he is not a solid person | 08:51 |
| ikonia | and is currently banned | 08:51 |
| oCean | indeed | 08:51 |
| ikonia | remove the bot | 08:51 |
| oCean | hm, gone already | 08:51 |
| ikonia | change the ban to suborbital/* in the cloak ban | 08:52 |
| oCean | thanks, that'll work too | 08:53 |
| ikonia | done | 08:53 |
| Jordan_U | Earlier today there was a problem with the floodbots flooding the channel with constant setting of +j then -j. With the help of fn-troll I eventually solved the problem by issuing "sync" (after trying hook/unhook unsuccessfully). 1: To whom should this problem be reported and 2: Next time there is a problem with the bots who should I ping to get someone who has a clue about them? | 08:58 |
| bazhang | LjL, ^ | 08:58 |
| ikonia | l-j-l is always a good bet | 08:58 |
| oCean | Jordan_U: was one of the bots missing? | 08:59 |
| Jordan_U | oCean: There were three floodbots, just as there are now. | 08:59 |
| Jordan_U | They were giving wildly different user counts from "status" though. | 09:00 |
| oCean | hm, that should be ok. But, l-j-l is the one to talk to :) | 09:00 |
| Jordan_U | At one point Floodbot2 thought that #ubuntu had 1565 users, Floodbot3 thought #ubuntu had 1506 users, and Floodbot1 thought #ubuntu had 39 users :) | 09:03 |
| IdleOne | there had recently been a split? | 09:17 |
| LjL | Jordan_U: worst case, you can issue "restart botname" | 09:38 |
| oCean | hello djglobalbot | 11:43 |
| oCean | djglobalbot: as you know, there is a no-idling policy in this channel. Is there anything you need from us? | 11:44 |
| elky | ikonia, did you make that ban a forward? | 11:46 |
| LjL | doesn't seem to be a banforward | 11:48 |
| IdleOne | just a regular troll | 11:50 |
| globalbot | sooo. | 11:54 |
| globalbot | im not a bot. | 11:55 |
| elky | your cloak might want to be updated then. | 11:55 |
| globalbot | just a host-mask if *you* will. | 11:56 |
| elky | possibly also your nick. | 11:56 |
| globalbot | i have to lose my nick too? | 11:56 |
| globalbot | bahh | 11:56 |
| globalbot | forget that. | 11:56 |
| LjL | globalbot: it really doesn't matter. we have a no-idling policy here, the main point is that. | 11:57 |
| * marienz eyes globalbot | 11:57 | |
| globalbot | /[art | 11:57 |
| LjL | globalbot: so please expose your issue if you have one | 11:57 |
| * marienz dons freenode staff hat | 11:57 | |
| marienz | globalbot: please only use bot-cloaked accounts for bots | 11:57 |
| globalbot | +oh | 11:57 |
| elky | marienz, thanks :) | 11:58 |
| marienz | I'll just let that slide for now, though | 11:58 |
| globalbot | hey. you have to unban me 1st. | 12:00 |
| IdleOne | no we don't | 12:00 |
| LjL | globalbot: uh... or else? | 12:00 |
| globalbot | man ok. fine. | 12:00 |
| LjL | oh he means from this channel | 12:01 |
| oCean | probably | 12:01 |
| elky | with obvious exceptions, we should probably review the ban list here | 12:03 |
| oCean | not only here :( | 12:03 |
| elky | well yes, but especially here. | 12:04 |
| Fuchs | did I get it right that the ban on his mask was set and he did evade it with his bot? | 12:06 |
| oCean | indeed | 12:06 |
| oCean | then we changed the banmask to unaffiliated/suborbital* | 12:06 |
| elky | he was evading with his bot's account in #ubuntu too | 12:07 |
| elky | in short, dude should not have multiple cloaks | 12:07 |
| Fuchs | right, his bot just lost it's bot cloak, you can remove that from any lists it is on | 12:08 |
| Fuchs | if he uses other means for evading bans, feel free to contact us | 12:09 |
| elky | well, he'll now have an ip/host that won't be in our lists | 12:09 |
| ikonia | his normal account is still cloaked | 12:10 |
| elky | but he'll now be able to join with the uncloaked account, no? | 12:10 |
| ikonia | true | 12:11 |
| IdleOne | yes | 12:11 |
| Fuchs | elky: yes, I am aware of this problem. you can set a quiet on his accountname, which you can see in nickservs info | 12:12 |
| Fuchs | or the ident, which you see as well | 12:12 |
| ikonia | the idents "root" currently, so not the best move | 12:13 |
| Fuchs | I'd say it's a very good move ;) | 12:13 |
| oCean | hehe | 12:13 |
| Fuchs | in #ubuntu-de we forwarded root users, but yes, that's a matter of opinion | 12:13 |
| LjL | forward, maybe, outright ban, i definitely wouldn't | 12:13 |
| ikonia | can't do that in #ubuntu | 12:13 |
| IdleOne | we could forward root ideant to #ubuntu-root with a message about what a bad idea blah blah blah it is ? | 12:14 |
| IdleOne | ident* | 12:14 |
| Fuchs | also the last time he joined he had (~globalbot@unaffiliated/suborbital/bot/djglobalbot). << which doesn't look like root to me | 12:14 |
| Fuchs | IdleOne: technically yes, I am not aware off all your local channel rules, unfortunately | 12:15 |
| LjL | IdleOne: we could, to me it seems overkill though | 12:15 |
| suborbital | honest mistake. | 12:15 |
| IdleOne | LjL: agreed | 12:15 |
| IdleOne | what was the mistake? | 12:16 |
| IdleOne | suborbital: what was the mistake? | 12:17 |
| suborbital | i stated i was a bot i didnt mean to pass myself as a ban evader | 12:18 |
| LjL | suborbital: the thing is, you used your bot cloak in #ubuntu as well while you were banned. that is not easily excusable. | 12:18 |
| suborbital | i unfortubnately have *far* more worse probs to deal with atm. | 12:18 |
| IdleOne | right, but you ban evaded. What I want to know is why were you banned in the first place? | 12:18 |
| suborbital | i am not denying that i didnt. | 12:19 |
| suborbital | although i did get pass. | 12:19 |
| IdleOne | I didn't understand that last sentence | 12:20 |
| suborbital | i think i need new veins in my left lower leg :) | 12:20 |
| IdleOne | suborbital: Do you know what you did that got you banned ? | 12:20 |
| suborbital | the 1st time or when i ban evaded? | 12:21 |
| suborbital | i dont remeber the 1st time. | 12:21 |
| suborbital | unforunately | 12:21 |
| suborbital | well we have logs dont we$? | 12:22 |
| IdleOne | We do. | 12:22 |
| IdleOne | From what I can see you got banned because of silliness and repeated silliness after being asked to stop that had nothing to do with ubuntu | 12:23 |
| IdleOne | then you ban evaded with your bot cloak and continued | 12:23 |
| IdleOne | suborbital: We do have a nice channel for silliness called #ubuntu-offtopic if you would like to join it, but #ubuntu is for Ubuntu related support and nothing else. | 12:25 |
| suborbital | ohhh. | 12:25 |
| suborbital | seee. | 12:25 |
| IdleOne | !guidelines | have a read | 12:25 |
| ubottu | have a read: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 12:25 |
| IdleOne | after you read the guidelines and if you agree to abide by them in all the Ubuntu channels we can remove the ban(s) | 12:26 |
| suborbital | swceet. | 12:28 |
| suborbital | lemme go read them then :) | 12:28 |
| suborbital | Code of Conduct must *always* be followed | 12:29 |
| Tm_T | yes | 12:29 |
| suborbital | do not spam #voices with spam | 12:29 |
| IdleOne | We know the guidelines very well no need to paste them here. If you have any questions please ask and I will be happy to try and answer | 12:29 |
| suborbital | err im just reading them out loud, just so *we* are clear / i dont want to evade *bans* again | 12:30 |
| IdleOne | suborbital: "We" are clear, the problem is that you don't seem to be clear on the guidelines :) | 12:30 |
| suborbital | i havent read them. well i am now :) | 12:31 |
| suborbital | i broke the bot rule and the anooying one lol | 12:31 |
| elky | Inability to follow instructions isn't a good lack-of-skill to demonstrate. | 12:31 |
| suborbital | so we good now? i wont break any more rulez. | 12:32 |
| IdleOne | suborbital: I'm not so sure you are being serious. I feel like you are mocking us. | 12:33 |
| suborbital | mmm, i wouldnt like to feel that way. | 12:34 |
| suborbital | i dont know what makes you so sure i would feel that\ | 12:34 |
| IdleOne | I'm not inclined to remove the ban for now. What we can do is see how things go in #ubuntu-offtopic and if we see you are serious about being a part of the ubuntu community we can revisit the ban in #ubuntu in a couple of weeks. | 12:34 |
| suborbital | no rush. | 12:34 |
| suborbital | atleast in can chill here in the meantime :) | 12:35 |
| IdleOne | okie dokie, appreciate your understanding. Please part this channel now that we are done. :) | 12:35 |
| * suborbital lol baberuth style | 12:35 | |
| IdleOne | actually you can't chill here, we have a no idle policy | 12:35 |
| IdleOne | @mark #ubuntu-ops suborbital agreed to see how things go in -ot and if they are willing to actually be a good netizen in our channels. Not so sure this is worth the time but will try. | 12:37 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 12:37 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from server_) | 13:32 |
| ubottu | szal called the ops in #ubuntu (bonny) | 15:38 |
| Myrtti | hmm | 15:39 |
| Myrtti | not certain if spambot or mispaste | 15:39 |
| Tm_T | looks more of a mispaste (or intentional paste if intentional) | 15:40 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu, sergeantcupcake said: ubottu: How is LTS different from the normal releases? | 17:17 |
| IdleOne | hello sergeantcupcake How can i help you? | 17:18 |
| sergeantcupcake | IdleOne: Hi!! I was asking how Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is different from normal releases | 17:19 |
| IdleOne | well that question is better suited for #ubuntu but basically the LTS means it will be supported for 5 years | 17:20 |
| IdleOne | Long Term Support | 17:20 |
| sergeantcupcake | IdleOne: I don't really have any idea how I got on this channel. I asked that question on #ubuntu and got forwarded here. Why? | 17:21 |
| IdleOne | not sure | 17:21 |
| sergeantcupcake | IdleOne: Well, thank you for your time. God bless | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | the bot told him that his suggestion for "how" factoid was sent here | 17:35 |
| IdleOne | yup, saw that afterwards and told him in #u | 17:39 |
| ubottu | llutz called the ops in #ubuntu (Anastasius keeps trolling) | 19:08 |
| Pricey | I believe wubi would explain the behaviour he's got? | 19:10 |
| LjL | much as i hate to admit it, i think he's trolling :( | 19:11 |
| Pricey | Maybe not then... | 19:11 |
| IdleOne | it would but he knows better then to use wubi | 19:11 |
| IdleOne | not his first go at the rodeo | 19:11 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from r00k19) | 20:31 |
| subthalamus | everning | 22:36 |
| subthalamus | who can I talk to about getting unbanned from #ubuntu? | 22:37 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: one moment. | 22:37 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: do you remember why you were banned? | 22:39 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: um, I insisted I was running ubuntu | 22:40 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: the op in question would likely say I was rude or something | 22:40 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: sorry, dont remember their name | 22:40 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: #ubuntu is a support channel for Ubuntu only. not generic Linux questions. | 22:41 |
| subthalamus | yes | 22:41 |
| mneptok | 2012-05-17T21:07:34 <subthalamus> if u needed a way to check that php5-curl was installed and what version on ANY linux distro, where would u look? | 22:41 |
| mneptok | 2012-05-17T21:08:28 <subthalamus> IdleOne: apt-cache doesn't exist on non debian distros | 22:42 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: sounds like me | 22:42 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: #ubuntu is a support channel for Ubuntu only. not generic Linux questions. | 22:42 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: read a little further please | 22:43 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: i have. | 22:43 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: the root cause is you asking offtopic questions. | 22:43 |
| subthalamus | that is debatable but I'm prepared to stick to those restrictions in the future | 22:44 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: anything after that is just window dressing. no? | 22:44 |
| subthalamus | I've used the channel many times in the past | 22:44 |
| subthalamus | and helped out there as well | 22:44 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: no, they asked a flawed question to determine if I had ubuntu or not | 22:44 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: the !offtopic factoid is used with such frequency that if you have used the channel, you cannot help but have seen it. not to mention the /topic. | 22:45 |
| subthalamus | and then assumed i didnt when they got an answer they were not expecting | 22:45 |
| mneptok | 2012-05-17T21:07:34 <subthalamus> if u needed a way to check that php5-curl was installed and what version on ANY linux distro, where would u look? | 22:45 |
| mneptok | ^^^ THAT was your first question ^^^ | 22:45 |
| mneptok | #ubuntu is not for "ANY Linux distro" | 22:46 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: yessir | 22:46 |
| mneptok | i don;t know how to make this more clear. you started with a wholly offtopic question. that's the problem. anything that happened after that is because of that problem. | 22:47 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: it is unfortunate you cannot see my situation | 22:47 |
| subthalamus | if apt was broken, how would u do what I wanted to do? | 22:48 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: i'm happy to make this a discussion of offtopic-ness, but if you really want to drag what other people said and what other people asked for into it, i will by no means stop you. | 22:48 |
| subthalamus | u realize that is not why they banned me right? | 22:48 |
| subthalamus | I'm prepared to not ask that definition of off topic questions ever again | 22:49 |
| mneptok | subthalamus: alright, so if you have a problem with the situation after the offtopic-ness you need resolved, you'll need to speak to IdleOne. | 22:49 |
| mneptok | "yeah, i was offtopic. that was dumb." would have ended the ban right here. but you have your own road. safe journeys to you on it. | 22:50 |
| * mneptok wanders off | 22:50 | |
| subthalamus | IdleOne: are you available? | 22:51 |
| subthalamus | mneptok: kindly advise me how IdleOne can be reached? | 22:53 |
| subthalamus | I presume they were the offending party? | 22:54 |
| subthalamus | I'm dismayed by this lack of professionalism | 23:02 |
| subthalamus | anybody willing to assist me please? | 23:03 |
| subthalamus | !ops | 23:03 |
| ubottu | Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! | 23:03 |
| ubottu | subthalamus called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () | 23:03 |
| Pricey | Howdy subthalamus. | 23:03 |
| subthalamus | hi | 23:03 |
| subthalamus | do u c history or need me to explain? | 23:04 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: I think we're getting a bit late in the night to get in touch with that op. | 23:04 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: you agree with mneptok's evaluation of the situation as well?!? | 23:05 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: I haven't run through the logs but quickly skimming what's happenned here, I agree it'd probably be best for you to return tomorrow and ask IdleOne :-) | 23:06 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: it was because IdleOne wasnt professional to begin with that I'm in this situation, why would you subject somebody to this level of inconvenience? | 23:07 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: Is 24h to cooldown really a big inconvenience? You've got a wealth of other support avenues open to you. | 23:08 |
| subthalamus | apparently that was may 17th..? | 23:09 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: I don't need support thank you | 23:09 |
| Pricey | Aha, my mistake. | 23:09 |
| Pricey | Apologies. | 23:09 |
| subthalamus | no worries... | 23:10 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: u still there? | 23:13 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: Sorry, just los tmy net connection. | 23:17 |
| subthalamus | yes? | 23:18 |
| subthalamus | you guys use a quassel backend or something? | 23:21 |
| subthalamus | irccloud? | 23:22 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: ? | 23:24 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: Pretty sure we all do different things. | 23:25 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: are you still considering my situation or just toying with me? | 23:26 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: I'm sticking to what I said earlier I'm afraid. As per mnepto.k, you'd do best to come back tomorrow and ask for IdleOn.e. | 23:28 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: can you explain your reasoning please? | 23:29 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: when a police officer falsely imprisons somebody, you dont appeal to that police officer | 23:30 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: But when a second then makes a decision, you probably won't find a third to easily disagree. | 23:30 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: the decision being to refer the appeal to the offending officer... | 23:31 |
| Pricey | subthalamus: I haven't actively operated in Ubuntu channels for some time. There doesn't seem to be anyone else active so I hoped to at least give you a response, if only to reaffirm what you were already told. | 23:31 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: yet you are in the best position to circumvent this "corruption" | 23:32 |
| subthalamus | I asked about irccloud/quassel because you were disconnected by didnt part the channel | 23:34 |
| subthalamus | *but | 23:34 |
| Pricey | I run irssi on a remote machine. | 23:34 |
| subthalamus | is this typical, making people waste all of this time to get unbanned? | 23:36 |
| subthalamus | if you make it harder to get unbanned than to use a different username/VPN/IP, it kind of defeats the purpose dont you think? | 23:38 |
| subthalamus | it even looks like the web applet works for me... | 23:38 |
| LjL | subthalamus: suggesting you're going to ban evade isn't going to make your ban shorter, quite the contrary | 23:53 |
| subthalamus | LjL: not suggesting I'll "ban evade", just there will be one less person in the IRC to help out | 23:54 |
| Pricey | But if you evade and we don't catch you because you behave so well. Then I don't think either side will complain. | 23:54 |
| subthalamus | Pricey: i guess everybody using the web applet is potentially evading a ban | 23:55 |
| subthalamus | this is all backwards guys | 23:55 |
| LjL | subthalamus: you'll find that you can't speak from the web applet | 23:56 |
| LjL | subthalamus: what is backwards? the fact that you weren't using Ubuntu yet insisted you should get support for whatever you were using in #ubuntu? | 23:56 |
| subthalamus | LjL: how should one respond when they are accused of something they didn't do? | 23:57 |
| subthalamus | I've already denied it | 23:57 |
| subthalamus | what more can I do? | 23:58 |
| subthalamus | you want access to my system?!? | 23:58 |
| LjL | subthalamus: so lsb_release doesn't work, apt-cache doesn't work, but you're using Ubuntu? i have little trouble understanding that IdleOne might have found that hard to believe | 23:59 |
| subthalamus | I explained this | 23:59 |
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