[00:35] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (riley_ appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) [01:48] HI all, just wanted to point out that the flood bots seem to disagree on setting +j [01:49] bots are just +j'ing and -j'ing eternally [01:49] reisio, yep, just mentioned that :-) [01:55] smw: you cheater [01:55] :-P [01:55] and as usual, an -ops channel proves itself nothing but an excuse to get angry people to talk somewhere other than public [01:56] smw: Hopefully it should be fixed now... [01:57] cool. thanks [02:39] Jordan_U: I have done some cleaning some time ago, others might have as well. eir doesn't have an autoremove of bans in #ubuntu by default. [02:40] Myrtti: I looked at the ban tracker and the bans were removed by eir. I'm almost cetain that I never set a ban duration with eir without also adding a comment at the same time. [02:40] Jordan_U: yes, and I've done some cleaning by setting eir to remove some of the bans [02:41] Myrtti: Ahh, that makes sense. Thank you and sorry for leaving a mess to be cleaned up. [02:41] I can't remember offhand if any of them were yours tho [02:41] no worries, I've given up now. [02:41] Myrtti: Given up on? [02:41] on eir, since there's different opinions on what is supposed to be used, again. [02:43] Well that's fun. [02:45] I agree [06:09] o.O [06:14] ? [06:14] clearly a troll [06:15] ah, just caught up to the -offtopic happenings [06:15] safdsf <--- new nick [06:16] in the space of 2 minutes, asked how to register in shattoloworth blog, and if there were single women [06:16] and never could manage to spell Shuttleworth correctly, just for bonus points [06:17] he got close: shuttlworth [06:17] still needed to buy a vowel [06:17] hehe [06:17] Perhaps that's part of his problem. Keeps going to markshattlowowororoth.com or something [06:19] heh [06:25] never responded to my PM , just finally quit the channel [08:49] * globalbot (~globalbot@unaffiliated/suborbital/bot/djglobalbot) has joined #ubuntu [08:49] suborbital? [08:51] I believe he is not a solid person [08:51] and is currently banned [08:51] indeed [08:51] remove the bot [08:51] hm, gone already [08:52] change the ban to suborbital/* in the cloak ban [08:53] thanks, that'll work too [08:53] done [08:58] Earlier today there was a problem with the floodbots flooding the channel with constant setting of +j then -j. With the help of fn-troll I eventually solved the problem by issuing "sync" (after trying hook/unhook unsuccessfully). 1: To whom should this problem be reported and 2: Next time there is a problem with the bots who should I ping to get someone who has a clue about them? [08:58] LjL, ^ [08:58] l-j-l is always a good bet [08:59] Jordan_U: was one of the bots missing? [08:59] oCean: There were three floodbots, just as there are now. [09:00] They were giving wildly different user counts from "status" though. [09:00] hm, that should be ok. But, l-j-l is the one to talk to :) [09:03] At one point Floodbot2 thought that #ubuntu had 1565 users, Floodbot3 thought #ubuntu had 1506 users, and Floodbot1 thought #ubuntu had 39 users :) [09:17] there had recently been a split? [09:38] Jordan_U: worst case, you can issue "restart botname" [11:43] hello djglobalbot [11:44] djglobalbot: as you know, there is a no-idling policy in this channel. Is there anything you need from us? [11:46] ikonia, did you make that ban a forward? [11:48] doesn't seem to be a banforward [11:50] just a regular troll [11:54] sooo. [11:55] im not a bot. [11:55] your cloak might want to be updated then. [11:56] just a host-mask if *you* will. [11:56] possibly also your nick. [11:56] i have to lose my nick too? [11:56] bahh [11:56] forget that. [11:57] globalbot: it really doesn't matter. we have a no-idling policy here, the main point is that. [11:57] * marienz eyes globalbot [11:57] /[art [11:57] globalbot: so please expose your issue if you have one [11:57] * marienz dons freenode staff hat [11:57] globalbot: please only use bot-cloaked accounts for bots [11:57] +oh [11:58] marienz, thanks :) [11:58] I'll just let that slide for now, though [12:00] hey. you have to unban me 1st. [12:00] no we don't [12:00] globalbot: uh... or else? [12:00] man ok. fine. [12:01] oh he means from this channel [12:01] probably [12:03] with obvious exceptions, we should probably review the ban list here [12:03] not only here :( [12:04] well yes, but especially here. [12:06] did I get it right that the ban on his mask was set and he did evade it with his bot? [12:06] indeed [12:06] then we changed the banmask to unaffiliated/suborbital* [12:07] he was evading with his bot's account in #ubuntu too [12:07] in short, dude should not have multiple cloaks [12:08] right, his bot just lost it's bot cloak, you can remove that from any lists it is on [12:09] if he uses other means for evading bans, feel free to contact us [12:09] well, he'll now have an ip/host that won't be in our lists [12:10] his normal account is still cloaked [12:10] but he'll now be able to join with the uncloaked account, no? [12:11] true [12:11] yes [12:12] elky: yes, I am aware of this problem. you can set a quiet on his accountname, which you can see in nickservs info [12:12] or the ident, which you see as well [12:13] the idents "root" currently, so not the best move [12:13] I'd say it's a very good move ;) [12:13] hehe [12:13] in #ubuntu-de we forwarded root users, but yes, that's a matter of opinion [12:13] forward, maybe, outright ban, i definitely wouldn't [12:13] can't do that in #ubuntu [12:14] we could forward root ideant to #ubuntu-root with a message about what a bad idea blah blah blah it is ? [12:14] ident* [12:14] also the last time he joined he had (~globalbot@unaffiliated/suborbital/bot/djglobalbot). << which doesn't look like root to me [12:15] IdleOne: technically yes, I am not aware off all your local channel rules, unfortunately [12:15] IdleOne: we could, to me it seems overkill though [12:15] honest mistake. [12:15] LjL: agreed [12:16] what was the mistake? [12:17] suborbital: what was the mistake? [12:18] i stated i was a bot i didnt mean to pass myself as a ban evader [12:18] suborbital: the thing is, you used your bot cloak in #ubuntu as well while you were banned. that is not easily excusable. [12:18] i unfortubnately have *far* more worse probs to deal with atm. [12:18] right, but you ban evaded. What I want to know is why were you banned in the first place? [12:19] i am not denying that i didnt. [12:19] although i did get pass. [12:20] I didn't understand that last sentence [12:20] i think i need new veins in my left lower leg :) [12:20] suborbital: Do you know what you did that got you banned ? [12:21] the 1st time or when i ban evaded? [12:21] i dont remeber the 1st time. [12:21] unforunately [12:22] well we have logs dont we$? [12:22] We do. [12:23] From what I can see you got banned because of silliness and repeated silliness after being asked to stop that had nothing to do with ubuntu [12:23] then you ban evaded with your bot cloak and continued [12:25] suborbital: We do have a nice channel for silliness called #ubuntu-offtopic if you would like to join it, but #ubuntu is for Ubuntu related support and nothing else. [12:25] ohhh. [12:25] seee. [12:25] !guidelines | have a read [12:25] have a read: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [12:26] after you read the guidelines and if you agree to abide by them in all the Ubuntu channels we can remove the ban(s) [12:28] swceet. [12:28] lemme go read them then :) [12:29] Code of Conduct must *always* be followed [12:29] yes [12:29] do not spam #voices with spam [12:29] We know the guidelines very well no need to paste them here. If you have any questions please ask and I will be happy to try and answer [12:30] err im just reading them out loud, just so *we* are clear / i dont want to evade *bans* again [12:30] suborbital: "We" are clear, the problem is that you don't seem to be clear on the guidelines :) [12:31] i havent read them. well i am now :) [12:31] i broke the bot rule and the anooying one lol [12:31] Inability to follow instructions isn't a good lack-of-skill to demonstrate. [12:32] so we good now? i wont break any more rulez. [12:33] suborbital: I'm not so sure you are being serious. I feel like you are mocking us. [12:34] mmm, i wouldnt like to feel that way. [12:34] i dont know what makes you so sure i would feel that\ [12:34] I'm not inclined to remove the ban for now. What we can do is see how things go in #ubuntu-offtopic and if we see you are serious about being a part of the ubuntu community we can revisit the ban in #ubuntu in a couple of weeks. [12:34] no rush. [12:35] atleast in can chill here in the meantime :) [12:35] okie dokie, appreciate your understanding. Please part this channel now that we are done. :) [12:35] * suborbital lol baberuth style [12:35] actually you can't chill here, we have a no idle policy [12:37] @mark #ubuntu-ops suborbital agreed to see how things go in -ot and if they are willing to actually be a good netizen in our channels. Not so sure this is worth the time but will try. [12:37] The operation succeeded. [13:32] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from server_) [15:38] szal called the ops in #ubuntu (bonny) [15:39] hmm [15:39] not certain if spambot or mispaste [15:40] looks more of a mispaste (or intentional paste if intentional) [17:17] In #ubuntu, sergeantcupcake said: ubottu: How is LTS different from the normal releases? [17:18] hello sergeantcupcake How can i help you? [17:19] IdleOne: Hi!! I was asking how Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is different from normal releases [17:20] well that question is better suited for #ubuntu but basically the LTS means it will be supported for 5 years [17:20] Long Term Support [17:21] IdleOne: I don't really have any idea how I got on this channel. I asked that question on #ubuntu and got forwarded here. Why? [17:21] not sure [17:21] IdleOne: Well, thank you for your time. God bless [17:35] the bot told him that his suggestion for "how" factoid was sent here [17:39] yup, saw that afterwards and told him in #u [19:08] llutz called the ops in #ubuntu (Anastasius keeps trolling) [19:10] I believe wubi would explain the behaviour he's got? [19:11] much as i hate to admit it, i think he's trolling :( [19:11] Maybe not then... [19:11] it would but he knows better then to use wubi [19:11] not his first go at the rodeo [20:31] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from r00k19) [22:36] everning [22:37] who can I talk to about getting unbanned from #ubuntu? [22:37] subthalamus: one moment. [22:39] subthalamus: do you remember why you were banned? [22:40] mneptok: um, I insisted I was running ubuntu [22:40] mneptok: the op in question would likely say I was rude or something [22:40] mneptok: sorry, dont remember their name [22:41] subthalamus: #ubuntu is a support channel for Ubuntu only. not generic Linux questions. [22:41] yes [22:41] 2012-05-17T21:07:34 if u needed a way to check that php5-curl was installed and what version on ANY linux distro, where would u look? [22:42] 2012-05-17T21:08:28 IdleOne: apt-cache doesn't exist on non debian distros [22:42] mneptok: sounds like me [22:42] subthalamus: #ubuntu is a support channel for Ubuntu only. not generic Linux questions. [22:43] mneptok: read a little further please [22:43] subthalamus: i have. [22:43] subthalamus: the root cause is you asking offtopic questions. [22:44] that is debatable but I'm prepared to stick to those restrictions in the future [22:44] subthalamus: anything after that is just window dressing. no? [22:44] I've used the channel many times in the past [22:44] and helped out there as well [22:44] mneptok: no, they asked a flawed question to determine if I had ubuntu or not [22:45] subthalamus: the !offtopic factoid is used with such frequency that if you have used the channel, you cannot help but have seen it. not to mention the /topic. [22:45] and then assumed i didnt when they got an answer they were not expecting [22:45] 2012-05-17T21:07:34 if u needed a way to check that php5-curl was installed and what version on ANY linux distro, where would u look? [22:45] ^^^ THAT was your first question ^^^ [22:46] #ubuntu is not for "ANY Linux distro" [22:46] mneptok: yessir [22:47] i don;t know how to make this more clear. you started with a wholly offtopic question. that's the problem. anything that happened after that is because of that problem. [22:47] mneptok: it is unfortunate you cannot see my situation [22:48] if apt was broken, how would u do what I wanted to do? [22:48] subthalamus: i'm happy to make this a discussion of offtopic-ness, but if you really want to drag what other people said and what other people asked for into it, i will by no means stop you. [22:48] u realize that is not why they banned me right? [22:49] I'm prepared to not ask that definition of off topic questions ever again [22:49] subthalamus: alright, so if you have a problem with the situation after the offtopic-ness you need resolved, you'll need to speak to IdleOne. [22:50] "yeah, i was offtopic. that was dumb." would have ended the ban right here. but you have your own road. safe journeys to you on it. [22:50] * mneptok wanders off [22:51] IdleOne: are you available? [22:53] mneptok: kindly advise me how IdleOne can be reached? [22:54] I presume they were the offending party? [23:02] I'm dismayed by this lack of professionalism [23:03] anybody willing to assist me please? [23:03] !ops [23:03] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! [23:03] subthalamus called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [23:03] Howdy subthalamus. [23:03] hi [23:04] do u c history or need me to explain? [23:04] subthalamus: I think we're getting a bit late in the night to get in touch with that op. [23:05] Pricey: you agree with mneptok's evaluation of the situation as well?!? [23:06] subthalamus: I haven't run through the logs but quickly skimming what's happenned here, I agree it'd probably be best for you to return tomorrow and ask IdleOne :-) [23:07] Pricey: it was because IdleOne wasnt professional to begin with that I'm in this situation, why would you subject somebody to this level of inconvenience? [23:08] subthalamus: Is 24h to cooldown really a big inconvenience? You've got a wealth of other support avenues open to you. [23:09] apparently that was may 17th..? [23:09] Pricey: I don't need support thank you [23:09] Aha, my mistake. [23:09] Apologies. [23:10] no worries... [23:13] Pricey: u still there? [23:17] subthalamus: Sorry, just los tmy net connection. [23:18] yes? [23:21] you guys use a quassel backend or something? [23:22] irccloud? [23:24] Pricey: ? [23:25] subthalamus: Pretty sure we all do different things. [23:26] Pricey: are you still considering my situation or just toying with me? [23:28] subthalamus: I'm sticking to what I said earlier I'm afraid. As per mnepto.k, you'd do best to come back tomorrow and ask for IdleOn.e. [23:29] Pricey: can you explain your reasoning please? [23:30] Pricey: when a police officer falsely imprisons somebody, you dont appeal to that police officer [23:30] subthalamus: But when a second then makes a decision, you probably won't find a third to easily disagree. [23:31] Pricey: the decision being to refer the appeal to the offending officer... [23:31] subthalamus: I haven't actively operated in Ubuntu channels for some time. There doesn't seem to be anyone else active so I hoped to at least give you a response, if only to reaffirm what you were already told. [23:32] Pricey: yet you are in the best position to circumvent this "corruption" [23:34] I asked about irccloud/quassel because you were disconnected by didnt part the channel [23:34] *but [23:34] I run irssi on a remote machine. [23:36] is this typical, making people waste all of this time to get unbanned? [23:38] if you make it harder to get unbanned than to use a different username/VPN/IP, it kind of defeats the purpose dont you think? [23:38] it even looks like the web applet works for me... [23:53] subthalamus: suggesting you're going to ban evade isn't going to make your ban shorter, quite the contrary [23:54] LjL: not suggesting I'll "ban evade", just there will be one less person in the IRC to help out [23:54] But if you evade and we don't catch you because you behave so well. Then I don't think either side will complain. [23:55] Pricey: i guess everybody using the web applet is potentially evading a ban [23:55] this is all backwards guys [23:56] subthalamus: you'll find that you can't speak from the web applet [23:56] subthalamus: what is backwards? the fact that you weren't using Ubuntu yet insisted you should get support for whatever you were using in #ubuntu? [23:57] LjL: how should one respond when they are accused of something they didn't do? [23:57] I've already denied it [23:58] what more can I do? [23:58] you want access to my system?!? [23:59] subthalamus: so lsb_release doesn't work, apt-cache doesn't work, but you're using Ubuntu? i have little trouble understanding that IdleOne might have found that hard to believe [23:59] I explained this