[01:48] <smw> HI all, just wanted to point out that the flood bots seem to disagree on setting +j
[01:49] <reisio> bots are just +j'ing and -j'ing eternally
[01:49] <smw> reisio, yep, just mentioned that :-)
[01:55] <reisio> smw: you cheater
[01:55] <smw> :-P
[01:55] <reisio> and as usual, an -ops channel proves itself nothing but an excuse to get angry people to talk somewhere other than public
[01:56] <Jordan_U> smw: Hopefully it should be fixed now...
[01:57] <smw> cool. thanks
[02:39] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: I have done some cleaning some time ago, others might have as well. eir doesn't have an autoremove of bans in #ubuntu by default.
[02:40] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: I looked at the ban tracker and the bans were removed by eir. I'm almost cetain that I never set a ban duration with eir without also adding a comment at the same time.
[02:40] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: yes, and I've done some cleaning by setting eir to remove some of the bans
[02:41] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: Ahh, that makes sense. Thank you and sorry for leaving a mess to be cleaned up.
[02:41] <Myrtti> I can't remember offhand if any of them were yours tho
[02:41] <Myrtti> no worries, I've given up now.
[02:41] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: Given up on?
[02:41] <Myrtti> on eir, since there's different opinions on what is supposed to be used, again.
[02:43] <Jordan_U> Well that's fun.
[02:45] <Myrtti> I agree
[06:09] <elky> o.O
[06:14] <Madpilot> ?
[06:14] <bazhang> clearly a troll
[06:15] <Madpilot> ah, just caught up to the -offtopic happenings
[06:15] <bazhang> safdsf   <--- new nick
[06:16] <elky> in the space of 2 minutes, asked how to register in shattoloworth blog, and if there were single women
[06:16] <Madpilot> and never could manage to spell Shuttleworth correctly, just for bonus points
[06:17] <bazhang> he got close: shuttlworth
[06:17] <Madpilot> still needed to buy a vowel
[06:17] <bazhang> hehe
[06:17] <elky> Perhaps that's part of his problem. Keeps going to markshattlowowororoth.com or something
[06:19] <Madpilot> heh
[06:25] <bazhang> never responded to my PM , just finally quit the channel
[08:49] <oCean> * globalbot (~globalbot@unaffiliated/suborbital/bot/djglobalbot) has joined #ubuntu
[08:49] <oCean> suborbital?
[08:51] <ikonia> I believe he is not a solid person
[08:51] <ikonia> and is currently banned
[08:51] <oCean> indeed
[08:51] <ikonia> remove the bot
[08:51] <oCean> hm, gone already
[08:52] <ikonia> change the ban to suborbital/* in the cloak ban
[08:53] <oCean> thanks, that'll work too
[08:53] <ikonia> done
[08:58] <Jordan_U> Earlier today there was a problem with the floodbots flooding the channel with constant setting of +j then -j. With the help of fn-troll I eventually solved the problem by issuing "sync" (after trying hook/unhook unsuccessfully). 1: To whom should this problem be reported and 2: Next time there is a problem with the bots who should I ping to get someone who has a clue about them?
[08:58] <bazhang> LjL, ^
[08:58] <ikonia> l-j-l is always a good bet
[08:59] <oCean> Jordan_U: was one of the bots missing?
[08:59] <Jordan_U> oCean: There were three floodbots, just as there are now.
[09:00] <Jordan_U> They were giving wildly different user counts from "status" though.
[09:00] <oCean> hm, that should be ok. But, l-j-l is the one to talk to :)
[09:03] <Jordan_U> At one point Floodbot2 thought that #ubuntu had 1565 users, Floodbot3 thought #ubuntu had 1506 users, and Floodbot1 thought #ubuntu had 39 users :)
[09:17] <IdleOne> there had recently been a split?
[09:38] <LjL> Jordan_U: worst case, you can issue "restart botname"
[11:43] <oCean> hello djglobalbot
[11:44] <oCean> djglobalbot: as you know, there is a no-idling policy in this channel. Is there anything you need from us?
[11:46] <elky> ikonia, did you make that ban a forward?
[11:48] <LjL> doesn't seem to be a banforward
[11:50] <IdleOne> just a regular troll
[11:54] <globalbot> sooo.
[11:55] <globalbot> im not a bot.
[11:55] <elky> your cloak might want to be updated then.
[11:56] <globalbot> just a host-mask if *you* will.
[11:56] <elky> possibly also your nick.
[11:56] <globalbot> i have to lose my nick too?
[11:56] <globalbot> bahh
[11:56] <globalbot> forget that.
[11:57] <LjL> globalbot: it really doesn't matter. we have a no-idling policy here, the main point is that.
[11:57]  * marienz eyes globalbot
[11:57] <globalbot>  /[art
[11:57] <LjL> globalbot: so please expose your issue if you have one
[11:57]  * marienz dons freenode staff hat
[11:57] <marienz> globalbot: please only use bot-cloaked accounts for bots
[11:57] <globalbot> +oh
[11:58] <elky> marienz, thanks :)
[11:58] <marienz> I'll just let that slide for now, though
[12:00] <globalbot> hey. you have to unban me 1st.
[12:00] <IdleOne> no we don't
[12:00] <LjL> globalbot: uh... or else?
[12:00] <globalbot> man ok. fine.
[12:01] <LjL> oh he means from this channel
[12:01] <oCean> probably
[12:03] <elky> with obvious exceptions, we should probably review the ban list here
[12:03] <oCean> not only here :(
[12:04] <elky> well yes, but especially here.
[12:06] <Fuchs> did I get it right that the ban on his mask was set and he did evade it with his bot?
[12:06] <oCean> indeed
[12:06] <oCean> then we changed the banmask to unaffiliated/suborbital*
[12:07] <elky> he was evading with his bot's account in #ubuntu too
[12:07] <elky> in short, dude should not have multiple cloaks
[12:08] <Fuchs> right, his bot just lost it's bot cloak, you can remove that from any lists it is on
[12:09] <Fuchs> if he uses other means for evading bans, feel free to contact us
[12:09] <elky> well, he'll now have an ip/host that won't be in our lists
[12:10] <ikonia> his normal account is still cloaked
[12:10] <elky> but he'll now be able to join with the uncloaked account, no?
[12:11] <ikonia> true
[12:11] <IdleOne> yes
[12:12] <Fuchs> elky: yes, I am aware of this problem. you can set a quiet on his accountname, which you can see in nickservs info
[12:12] <Fuchs> or the ident, which you see as well
[12:13] <ikonia> the idents "root" currently, so not the best move
[12:13] <Fuchs> I'd say it's a very good move ;)
[12:13] <oCean> hehe
[12:13] <Fuchs> in #ubuntu-de we forwarded root users, but yes, that's a matter of opinion
[12:13] <LjL> forward, maybe, outright ban, i definitely wouldn't
[12:13] <ikonia> can't do that in #ubuntu
[12:14] <IdleOne> we could forward root ideant to #ubuntu-root with a message about what a bad idea blah blah blah it is ?
[12:14] <IdleOne> ident*
[12:14] <Fuchs> also the last time he joined he had  (~globalbot@unaffiliated/suborbital/bot/djglobalbot).   << which doesn't look like root to me
[12:15] <Fuchs> IdleOne: technically yes, I am not aware off all your local channel rules, unfortunately
[12:15] <LjL> IdleOne: we could, to me it seems overkill though
[12:15] <suborbital> honest mistake.
[12:15] <IdleOne> LjL: agreed
[12:16] <IdleOne> what was the mistake?
[12:17] <IdleOne> suborbital: what was the mistake?
[12:18] <suborbital> i stated i was a bot i didnt mean to pass myself as a ban evader
[12:18] <LjL> suborbital: the thing is, you used your bot cloak in #ubuntu as well while you were banned. that is not easily excusable.
[12:18] <suborbital> i unfortubnately have *far* more worse probs to deal with atm.
[12:18] <IdleOne> right, but you ban evaded. What I want to know is why were you banned in the first place?
[12:19] <suborbital> i am not denying that i didnt.
[12:19] <suborbital> although i did get pass.
[12:20] <IdleOne> I didn't understand that last sentence
[12:20] <suborbital> i think i need new veins in my left lower leg :)
[12:20] <IdleOne> suborbital: Do you know what you did that got you banned ?
[12:21] <suborbital> the 1st time or when i ban evaded?
[12:21] <suborbital> i dont remeber the 1st time.
[12:21] <suborbital> unforunately
[12:22] <suborbital> well we have logs dont we$?
[12:22] <IdleOne> We do.
[12:23] <IdleOne> From what I can see you got banned because of silliness and repeated silliness after being asked to stop that had nothing to do with ubuntu
[12:23] <IdleOne> then you ban evaded with your bot cloak and continued
[12:25] <IdleOne> suborbital: We do have a nice channel for silliness called #ubuntu-offtopic if you would like to join it, but #ubuntu is for Ubuntu related support and nothing else.
[12:25] <suborbital> ohhh.
[12:25] <suborbital> seee.
[12:25] <IdleOne> !guidelines | have a read
[12:26] <IdleOne> after you read the guidelines and if you agree to abide by them in all the Ubuntu channels we can remove the ban(s)
[12:28] <suborbital> swceet.
[12:28] <suborbital> lemme go read them then :)
[12:29] <suborbital> Code of Conduct must *always* be followed
[12:29] <Tm_T> yes
[12:29] <suborbital> do not spam #voices with spam
[12:29] <IdleOne> We know the guidelines very well no need to paste them here. If you have any questions please ask and I will be happy to try and answer
[12:30] <suborbital> err im just reading them out loud, just so *we* are clear / i dont want to evade *bans* again
[12:30] <IdleOne> suborbital: "We" are clear, the problem is that you don't seem to be clear on the guidelines :)
[12:31] <suborbital> i havent read them. well i am now :)
[12:31] <suborbital> i broke the bot rule and the anooying one lol
[12:31] <elky> Inability to follow instructions isn't a good lack-of-skill to demonstrate.
[12:32] <suborbital> so we good now? i wont break any more rulez.
[12:33] <IdleOne> suborbital: I'm not so sure you are being serious. I feel like you are mocking us.
[12:34] <suborbital> mmm, i wouldnt like to feel that way.
[12:34] <suborbital> i dont know what makes you so sure i would feel that\
[12:34] <IdleOne> I'm not inclined to remove the ban for now. What we can do is see how things go in #ubuntu-offtopic and if we see you are serious about being a part of the ubuntu community we can revisit the ban in #ubuntu in a couple of weeks.
[12:34] <suborbital> no rush.
[12:35] <suborbital> atleast in can chill here in the meantime :)
[12:35] <IdleOne> okie dokie, appreciate your understanding. Please part this channel now that we are done. :)
[12:35]  * suborbital lol baberuth style
[12:35] <IdleOne> actually you can't chill here, we have a no idle policy
[12:37] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu-ops suborbital agreed to see how things go in -ot and if they are willing to actually be a good netizen in our channels. Not so sure this is worth the time but will try.
[15:39] <Myrtti> hmm
[15:39] <Myrtti> not certain if spambot or mispaste
[15:40] <Tm_T> looks more of a mispaste (or intentional paste if intentional)
[17:18] <IdleOne> hello sergeantcupcake How can i help you?
[17:19] <sergeantcupcake> IdleOne: Hi!! I was asking how Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is different from normal releases
[17:20] <IdleOne> well that question is better suited for #ubuntu but basically the LTS means it will be supported for 5 years
[17:20] <IdleOne> Long Term Support
[17:21] <sergeantcupcake> IdleOne: I don't really have any idea how I got on this channel. I asked that question on #ubuntu and got forwarded here. Why?
[17:21] <IdleOne> not sure
[17:21] <sergeantcupcake> IdleOne: Well, thank you for your time. God bless
[17:35] <Myrtti> the bot told him that his suggestion for "how" factoid was sent here
[17:39] <IdleOne> yup, saw that afterwards and told him in #u
[19:10] <Pricey> I believe wubi would explain the behaviour he's got?
[19:11] <LjL> much as i hate to admit it, i think he's trolling :(
[19:11] <Pricey> Maybe not then...
[19:11] <IdleOne> it would but he knows better then to use wubi
[19:11] <IdleOne> not his first go at the rodeo
[22:36] <subthalamus> everning
[22:37] <subthalamus> who can I talk to about getting unbanned from #ubuntu?
[22:37] <mneptok> subthalamus: one moment.
[22:39] <mneptok> subthalamus: do you remember why you were banned?
[22:40] <subthalamus> mneptok: um, I insisted I was running ubuntu
[22:40] <subthalamus> mneptok: the op in question would likely say I was rude or something
[22:40] <subthalamus> mneptok: sorry, dont remember their name
[22:41] <mneptok> subthalamus: #ubuntu is a support channel for Ubuntu only. not generic Linux questions.
[22:41] <subthalamus> yes
[22:41] <mneptok> 2012-05-17T21:07:34 <subthalamus> if u needed a way to check that php5-curl was installed and what version on ANY linux distro, where would u look?
[22:42] <mneptok> 2012-05-17T21:08:28 <subthalamus> IdleOne: apt-cache doesn't exist on non debian distros
[22:42] <subthalamus> mneptok: sounds like me
[22:42] <mneptok> subthalamus: #ubuntu is a support channel for Ubuntu only. not generic Linux questions.
[22:43] <subthalamus> mneptok: read a little further please
[22:43] <mneptok> subthalamus: i have.
[22:43] <mneptok> subthalamus: the root cause is you asking offtopic questions.
[22:44] <subthalamus> that is debatable but I'm prepared to stick to those restrictions in the future
[22:44] <mneptok> subthalamus: anything after that is just window dressing. no?
[22:44] <subthalamus> I've used the channel many times in the past
[22:44] <subthalamus> and helped out there as well
[22:44] <subthalamus> mneptok: no, they asked a flawed question to determine if I had ubuntu or not
[22:45] <mneptok> subthalamus: the !offtopic factoid is used with such frequency that if you have used the channel, you cannot help but have seen it. not to mention the /topic.
[22:45] <subthalamus> and then assumed i didnt when they got an answer they were not expecting
[22:45] <mneptok> 2012-05-17T21:07:34 <subthalamus> if u needed a way to check that php5-curl was installed and what version on ANY linux distro, where would u look?
[22:45] <mneptok> ^^^ THAT was your first question ^^^
[22:46] <mneptok> #ubuntu is not for "ANY Linux distro"
[22:46] <subthalamus> mneptok: yessir
[22:47] <mneptok> i don;t know how to make this more clear. you started with a wholly offtopic question. that's the problem. anything that happened after that is because of that problem.
[22:47] <subthalamus> mneptok: it is unfortunate you cannot see my situation
[22:48] <subthalamus> if apt was broken, how would u do what I wanted to do?
[22:48] <mneptok> subthalamus: i'm happy to make this a discussion of offtopic-ness, but if you really want to drag what other people said and what other people asked for into it, i will by no means stop you.
[22:48] <subthalamus> u realize that is not why they banned me right?
[22:49] <subthalamus> I'm prepared to not ask that definition of off topic questions ever again
[22:49] <mneptok> subthalamus: alright, so if you have a problem with the situation after the offtopic-ness you need resolved, you'll need to speak to IdleOne.
[22:50] <mneptok> "yeah, i was offtopic. that was dumb." would have ended the ban right here. but you have your own road. safe journeys to you on it.
[22:50]  * mneptok wanders off
[22:51] <subthalamus> IdleOne: are you available?
[22:53] <subthalamus> mneptok: kindly advise me how IdleOne can be reached?
[22:54] <subthalamus> I presume they were the offending party?
[23:02] <subthalamus> I'm dismayed by this lack of professionalism
[23:03] <subthalamus> anybody willing to assist me please?
[23:03] <subthalamus> !ops
[23:03] <Pricey> Howdy subthalamus.
[23:03] <subthalamus> hi
[23:04] <subthalamus> do u c history or need me to explain?
[23:04] <Pricey> subthalamus: I think we're getting a bit late in the night to get in touch with that op.
[23:05] <subthalamus> Pricey: you agree with mneptok's evaluation of the situation as well?!?
[23:06] <Pricey> subthalamus: I haven't run through the logs but quickly skimming what's happenned here, I agree it'd probably be best for you to return tomorrow and ask IdleOne :-)
[23:07] <subthalamus> Pricey: it was because IdleOne wasnt professional to begin with that I'm in this situation, why would you subject somebody to this level of inconvenience?
[23:08] <Pricey> subthalamus: Is 24h to cooldown really a big inconvenience? You've got a wealth of other support avenues open to you.
[23:09] <subthalamus> apparently that was may 17th..?
[23:09] <subthalamus> Pricey: I don't need support thank you
[23:09] <Pricey> Aha, my mistake.
[23:09] <Pricey> Apologies.
[23:10] <subthalamus> no worries...
[23:13] <subthalamus> Pricey: u still there?
[23:17] <Pricey> subthalamus: Sorry, just los tmy net connection.
[23:18] <subthalamus> yes?
[23:21] <subthalamus> you guys use a quassel backend or something?
[23:22] <subthalamus> irccloud?
[23:24] <subthalamus> Pricey: ?
[23:25] <Pricey> subthalamus: Pretty sure we all do different things.
[23:26] <subthalamus> Pricey: are you still considering my situation or just toying with me?
[23:28] <Pricey> subthalamus: I'm sticking to what I said earlier I'm afraid. As per mnepto.k, you'd do best to come back tomorrow and ask for IdleOn.e.
[23:29] <subthalamus> Pricey: can you explain your reasoning please?
[23:30] <subthalamus> Pricey: when a police officer falsely imprisons somebody, you dont appeal to that police officer
[23:30] <Pricey> subthalamus: But when a second then makes a decision, you probably won't find a third to easily disagree.
[23:31] <subthalamus> Pricey: the decision being to refer the appeal to the offending officer...
[23:31] <Pricey> subthalamus: I haven't actively operated in Ubuntu channels for some time. There doesn't seem to be anyone else active so I hoped to at least give you a response, if only to reaffirm what you were already told.
[23:32] <subthalamus> Pricey: yet you are in the best position to circumvent this "corruption"
[23:34] <subthalamus> I asked about irccloud/quassel because you were disconnected by didnt part the channel
[23:34] <subthalamus> *but
[23:34] <Pricey> I run irssi on a remote machine.
[23:36] <subthalamus> is this typical, making people waste all of this time to get unbanned?
[23:38] <subthalamus> if you make it harder to get unbanned than to use a different username/VPN/IP, it kind of defeats the purpose dont you think?
[23:38] <subthalamus> it even looks like the web applet works for me...
[23:53] <LjL> subthalamus: suggesting you're going to ban evade isn't going to make your ban shorter, quite the contrary
[23:54] <subthalamus> LjL: not suggesting I'll "ban evade", just there will be one less person in the IRC to help out
[23:54] <Pricey> But if you evade and we don't catch you because you behave so well. Then I don't think either side will complain.
[23:55] <subthalamus> Pricey: i guess everybody using the web applet is potentially evading a ban
[23:55] <subthalamus> this is all backwards guys
[23:56] <LjL> subthalamus: you'll find that you can't speak from the web applet
[23:56] <LjL> subthalamus: what is backwards? the fact that you weren't using Ubuntu yet insisted you should get support for whatever you were using in #ubuntu?
[23:57] <subthalamus> LjL: how should one respond when they are accused of something they didn't do?
[23:57] <subthalamus> I've already denied it
[23:58] <subthalamus> what more can I do?
[23:58] <subthalamus> you want access to my system?!?
[23:59] <LjL> subthalamus: so lsb_release doesn't work, apt-cache doesn't work, but you're using Ubuntu? i have little trouble understanding that IdleOne might have found that hard to believe
[23:59] <subthalamus> I explained this