[17:02] <pleia2> sending out the meeting reminder for this evening reminded me that I was recently out with my fiance's colleagues and they kept going on about what "bi-weekly" meant
[17:02] <pleia2> ...even after googling for the answer and discovering that it could either mean twice a week or every other week
[17:02] <pleia2> it was funny for the first 10 minutes, then "ok seriously, stop" :)
[17:03] <grantbow> lol
[17:03] <pleia2> hey grantbow!
[17:03] <pleia2> was nice to see you yesterday :)
[17:03] <grantbow> u2!
[17:04] <grantbow> I did some edits on that doc and have much of an email drafted
[17:04] <pleia2> great
[17:04] <pleia2> I've been drafting a more personal blog post in my head about what it's feeling like to develop partimus past infancy
[17:04] <grantbow> :-)
[17:04] <pleia2> might get it out after the foundation center class on wednesday
[17:05] <grantbow> I think after the class you will realize just how much in infancy we are
[17:05] <grantbow> amazingly
[17:05] <pleia2> yeah, I expect so
[17:05] <grantbow> I hope others can join us
[17:06] <grantbow> if anyone here is interested in nonprofit "Grant Writing" http://grantspace.org/Classroom/Training-Calendar/San-Francisco/Proposal-Writing-Basics-2012-06-06-San-Francisco-CA
[17:07] <grantbow> our 8 years and strong programs" done on a shoestring position us very strongly for funding
[17:07] <MarkDude> True
[17:07] <grantbow> "programs"
[17:07] <grantbow> hiya MarkDude
[17:07] <MarkDude> Hey there
[17:08]  * MarkDude is catching up on backlog.Wants to set up a time soon for working on the laptops.
[17:08] <MarkDude> And asking for more laptops
[17:08] <MarkDude> We can get some money from taking non-working hardware to ECS
[17:08] <grantbow> the 20 from intuit or others?
[17:09] <MarkDude> Yep
[17:09] <pleia2> we have to close the loop with james and christian on them, I don't know where the are at the moment and what james wants to do install-wise (use old imaging server to just toss 10.04 on, go to 12.04?)
[17:09]  * MarkDude spoke with Christian on weekend
[17:09] <pleia2> james has been starting to look into 12.04
[17:09]  * grantbow tried :-)
[17:09] <grantbow> yeah
[17:09] <MarkDude> Whatever you folks decide is great. WHats the burnin or testing work like
[17:10] <grantbow> I haven't tested memory footprint on identical hardware yet
[17:10]  * MarkDude is gonna ask the board for title *geek at large* :)
[17:10] <pleia2> well, first there is the hardware analysis and makings ure they're all the same
[17:10] <grantbow> maybe we should look at xubuntu ;-)
[17:11] <pleia2> xubuntu \o/
[17:11] <pleia2> unity is cool, but xfce may make more sense giving where we are coming from on this
[17:11] <grantbow> before 10.04 partimus did some deployments of xubuntu
[17:11] <pleia2> yeah, I remember running into a few over the years :)
[17:12] <pleia2> 12.04 is a xubuntu lts for 3 years, so it certainly is an option
[17:12] <MarkDude> We could always use Sax Coffee for doing some installs. Plus, this area of Coco County has more donations we can get
[17:12] <grantbow> MarkDude: the 20 from intuit or others?
[17:13]  * MarkDude wants to get others. MORE
[17:13] <MarkDude> MOAR laptops
[17:13] <grantbow> I haven't heard if Christian has received them yet
[17:13] <MarkDude> There are some teachers at the schools that might need machines too
[17:13] <MarkDude> Not yet, from what he said
[17:13] <grantbow> k
[17:14] <pleia2> MarkDude: that's a bit far for us to to drag an imaging server :\ and is there really space to set up a network there?
[17:14]  * MarkDude should be able to get at least one RH machine donated.
[17:14] <grantbow> not really
[17:14] <pleia2> we probably want to stick to downtown SF since most of our volunteers and schools are in SF
[17:14] <MarkDude> Ubuntu running on a former RH machine soulds great
[17:15] <MarkDude> Thats what I assumed
[17:15] <grantbow> however if imaging servers can be deployed with juju... :-O
[17:15] <MarkDude> I figure we may end up doing a DVLUG meeting there.
[17:15] <pleia2> grantbow: haha, still need to bring lots of physical hardware to a coffee shop and set up a network, even if we can deploy them on the fly :)
[17:16] <grantbow> pleia2: yeah
[17:16] <MarkDude> The owners are willing to have laptops given to them to hold for us
[17:16] <grantbow> MarkDude: we'll see. How much do you want to volunteer for dvlug?
[17:16] <dragon> grantbow: `aws deploy ubuntu 12.04 amd64` :P
[17:16] <grantbow> dragon: +1
[17:16] <MarkDude> The idea of a small box of donation waiting for us sounds great
[17:16] <pleia2> we don't really have trouble finding space in SF, so I don't think making everyone drive out of the city makes a lot of sense :\
[17:17]  * MarkDude has decided that focusing on laptops is sumthin I am able to maintain
[17:17] <dragon> MarkDude: schedule permitting, count me in for installs!
[17:17] <dragon> as long as it's a party, I'm in.
[17:17] <MarkDude> Avoiding spreading myself to thin, by focusing on some of my strongpoints
[17:17] <pleia2> installs are really just plug system into network, pxeboot, make sure it installs :)
[17:18]  * MarkDude learned a fair amount from Free Geek and their laptop program
[17:18] <pleia2> (and fix anything that goes wrong along the way, bad hardware, etc)
[17:18] <MarkDude> Hardware. Thats a strongpoint of mine. Software, not so much
[17:18] <dragon> That PXE boot part has always excited me. Never got it to work at home.
[17:18] <grantbow> volunteer role - ubuntu installer :-)
[17:18] <pleia2> the install server has an image that sets all defaults, installs packages we need and all that
[17:19] <pleia2> the ones we have are still built for 10.04, but they work quite well
[17:19] <dragon> Install server needs to be the DHCP too, though.
[17:20] <MarkDude> Free Geek was doing work on deploying 12.04
[17:20] <pleia2> on the CACS network it was also the main server for the lab, so did DHCP as well as squid, dansguardian and all the stuff needed to run the network
[17:20] <pleia2> MarkDude: james howard is working on 12.04 for us
[17:20] <dragon> That'll make it easier to setup.
[17:21] <MarkDude> I should put James in toiuch  with Vagrant from FG
[17:21] <pleia2> dragon: yeah, it works really well :)
[17:21] <MarkDude> So when will the Unity or XFCE thing be sorted?
[17:21] <dragon> It'll be nice to have a ready-to-go image of a PXE server setup. (unless we've already got one)
[17:21] <pleia2> MarkDude: we don't really have an ETA
[17:21] <MarkDude> Fair enough.
[17:22] <pleia2> dragon: the ones we have are built for 10.04
[17:22] <dragon> pleia2: Can't they emit just any image?
[17:22] <pleia2> so still usable if we stick to 10.04, and we can for now, but we'll see how the 12.04 research goes
[17:22]  * MarkDude will work on formal letter to the board. I know that we have some high specs for laptops needed
[17:23]  * MarkDude thinks that P3's should not be used at the schools. BUT, those are decnt enough for giving to volunteers
[17:23]  * dragon reads up a little more on PXE boot.
[17:23] <pleia2> dragon: not really, config files change, as do package names, so a lot of little things need to be looked after when we go to try to ship with a much newer version
[17:23] <grantbow> dragon: school lab in a box https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zs4_G-hvTDho1K9lP4Nrcz3BqPdw7gIczESu5f7V114/edit
[17:24] <pleia2> particularly in this case since we're going from gtk2 and gnome2 to gtk3 and unity, also the java packages are all changed, so all our customizations and default apps need to be reviewed
[17:24] <MarkDude> Free Geek gets volunteers by giving hardware- more so stuff they dont sell. A big portion of their costs are covered by a few selcet items being sold - some in their store, more via online sales
[17:24] <grantbow> dragon: what's your gmail?
[17:24] <dragon> grantbow: aadityabhatia
[17:25] <dragon> grantbow: I have read access.
[17:25] <grantbow> if you want to edit it let me know
[17:26] <dragon> will do
[17:29] <MarkDude> When in doubt- always give dragon full access
[17:29] <MarkDude> :D
[17:30] <MarkDude> Oh, Christian and I are gonna go to the Community Manager Breakfast in SF
[17:31]  * MarkDude figures there are some great CMs there, and he will be able to get some more peers for helping in the mission :)
[17:31] <dragon> document looks good
[17:31] <MarkDude> Its like a secret Cabal type group. You have to be invited.
[17:31] <dragon> it'll be fun to upgrade to 12.04.
[17:31] <MarkDude> Christian will have the secret handshake
[17:32] <grantbow> http://t.co/GlS3S1Bk cool
[17:32]  * MarkDude would prefer we not use Unity. But only offers that opinion. 
[17:32]  * MarkDude will be more than happy if we do go that route.
[17:32] <MarkDude> Im happy with *the grown-ups deciding* :D
[17:32] <dragon> What's the team's opinion on Gnome 3?
[17:33] <MarkDude> lol
[17:33] <pleia2> gnome-shell isn't supported in the LTS, so it's not really an option for us
[17:33] <dragon> Oh.
[17:33]  * MarkDude thinks Gnome 3 sucks slightly less than Unity, but KDE is the real winner in all of this
[17:34]  * MarkDude is predicting KDE has good things in store.
[17:34] <dragon> Perhaps that's why Gnome didn't load after I upgraded. (I didn't have time to figure, so powered off and moved on.)
[17:34] <dragon> MarkDude: too much eye candy could be blindening. :P
[17:34] <pleia2> dragon: well it should work :)
[17:35] <MarkDude> However it gets sorted, Im cool with it. KDE does not require you use ALL the widgets
[17:35] <grantbow> MarkDude: have you met Evan yet, the organizer of that meetup?
[17:35] <MarkDude> Yes-
[17:35] <pleia2> it's just not in main, so support for it isn't guarenteed to extend for the whole LTS perioud
[17:35]  * MarkDude has gone a few times
[17:35]  * dragon reverted his main machine to gnome-fallback, a partially upgraded version of gnome 2. That's on 11.04.
[17:35] <MarkDude> Evan rocks.
[17:35] <grantbow> cool
[17:35] <pleia2> MarkDude: our machines aren't powerful enough for KDE
[17:35] <dragon> s/11.04/11.10/
[17:35] <pleia2> it's really either Ubuntu or Xubuntu here
[17:36] <MarkDude> The group also has Sarah Manley, Jenna Langer, and some other names you may know
[17:36] <dragon> pleia2: fair enough. Works for personal use, but not a selling point.
[17:36] <pleia2> dragon: yep :)
[17:36] <MarkDude> pleia2, just let me know. MarkDude has no horse in this race. Happy to take orders here :)
[17:37] <pleia2> anyway, back to work and adventures for me, I'll be around this evening for our 7pm meeting
[17:37] <MarkDude> Cool
[17:37] <pleia2> MarkDude: yep, we'll let you know :)
[17:38] <grantbow> dnsmasq is the other D I was trying to think of yesterday!!!
[17:38]  * MarkDude wants to bring up the idea of having a picnic co-sponsered by Ubuntu Cali and local Fedora folks.
[17:38] <MarkDude> Unless that might be a hassle, in which case I am tottally fine with just droppping the idea
[17:39] <pleia2> er, isn't that what a geeknic is?
[17:39]  * MarkDude already has sponsorships maybe lined up. Money from non-distros
[17:39] <grantbow> money sometimes has strings
[17:39] <MarkDude> Yes pleia2 - I am really focused on commonalities
[17:39] <MarkDude> Money wont be taken if there are strings
[17:40] <akk> unless the strings are attached to festive balloons
[17:40] <MarkDude> Sponsors would be able to give SWAG or shirts with their logo
[17:40] <grantbow> akk +1
[17:40] <MarkDude> No talks, or anything
[17:40] <MarkDude> Give us the money, ALL you get is a THANK YOU :)
[17:41] <akk> and people wearing your shirts around advertising your company/distro
[17:41] <MarkDude> If this seems like a hassle, it can be tabled in order to keep it copacetic
[17:42] <MarkDude> With Linux Picnic being a nogo- I think we can put together a smaller event.
[17:42] <akk> Linux picnic is dead?
[17:42] <dragon> I think so.
[17:42]  * MarkDude is not really sure we need to have wifi at picnics- lol
[17:42] <akk> Did something bad happen last year?
[17:42] <MarkDude> akk - yes
[17:42] <grantbow> "it's not dead yet!"
[17:43] <grantbow> -- Monty Python
[17:43] <MarkDude> A true open Source project
[17:43] <dragon> akk: no, it's just a tad quiet, like before a tsunami.
[17:43] <MarkDude> its dead, no its not. Maybe it is
[17:43] <MarkDude> :D
[17:43] <pleia2> akk: as far as I know there just weren't volunteers this year, no one reserved the park or stepped up to lead it
[17:43] <akk> Wifi at picnics is way cool, in a completely unnecessary gilding-the-lily kind of way.
[17:43] <dragon> Yeah, they said the only reason to have wif was to be geeky.
[17:44] <MarkDude> its life notwithstanding- people can volunteer for tasks like that.
[17:44] <pleia2> (as I'm sure dragon can agree, it's a lot of work :))
[17:44] <dragon> It's not very useful anymore, given how we all are forced to pay for data plans with our smartphones.
[17:44] <MarkDude> I figure we need to work on our Frisbee skills as a group - more importatly lol
[17:44] <dragon> pleia2: +1
[17:44] <akk> dragon: forced? somehow I get by without one.
[17:45] <dragon> akk: Lucky you! AT&T?
[17:45] <akk> We finally got a mifi a few months ago, but haven't used it very much so far.
[17:45]  * MarkDude is hooked on data plans, Dropbox and syncing of pics and videos is such a time saver
[17:46] <akk> Been using the cr48 with its free 100M plan and can't seem to use that up, so don't have to dip into the prepaid mifi.
[17:46] <MarkDude> akk, maybe you need to start posting pics of cats, in order to use more data. You know- the IMPORTANT stuff XD
[17:47] <MarkDude> The internets always need MOAR catpics
[17:47] <akk> MarkDude: Yes, there's definitely a need for more cat pictures on the internet. :)
[17:47] <MarkDude> +infinity
[17:48]  * MarkDude now has people seeking him out to take pics of tehir cats, and add meme-like quotes
[17:48]  * akk has gotten some good snake pictures lately, but there seems to be oddly little demand for those
[17:48] <MarkDude> Now is the time for our evil plans.... etc
[17:48]  * MarkDude is interested in snake pics
[17:49] <akk> It's a good spring for snakes -- seeing them everywhere I go hiking. (harmless ones, not rattlesnakes)
[17:50] <MarkDude> Even rattle snakes are not bad
[17:50] <akk> Rattlesnakes are cool as long as I see them in time to keep my distance.
[17:50]  * MarkDude makes sure to make lots of noise - rattlers are nice and get out of your way when you do that
[17:51] <akk> Well, thumping, anyway ... they can't hear noise in general, no ears.
[17:51] <MarkDude> Yep, loud steps
[17:51] <akk> I've seen a few who were pretty laid-back and didn't move when I stamped, though.
[17:51] <MarkDude> and kick the weeds
[17:51] <MarkDude> Actually been forever since I seen one up close
[17:52] <akk> I see them maybe once a year, a lot less often than other snakes.
[17:54] <akk> And I've never seen one (in the wild) angry, rattling or coiling ... they're always just sunning themselves.
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> reptiles are cold-blooded, so they have to
[17:55] <MarkDude> G is cold-blooded also. The 2nd choice for a nickname for him was the iceman
[17:56] <MarkDude> Since he has icewater running thru his veins
[17:56] <MarkDude> :D
[17:56] <MarkDude> DMFG works better tho, IMHO
[17:56] <DonkeyHotei> d'oh-mfg?
[17:57] <MarkDude> Dangerous MFing G
[17:57] <MarkDude> in the hizzouse
[18:00] <DonkeyHotei> sorry to say this: i'm not him, but if i were, i would probably have punched you by now for all the grantbow this and grantbow that
[18:00] <scientes> ....................
[18:01] <MarkDude> Sn9, like I stated earlier, he has icewater running in his veins
[18:01] <MarkDude> Ask the who's who in FOSS, and most will agree on the DMFG title
[18:01] <DonkeyHotei> i'm just glad it's not me
[18:02] <MarkDude> scientes, I am friends with both DonkeyHotei and grantbow . Its in good humor
[18:02] <scientes> ok, just making sure
[18:02] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei, is one of the few that says, MarkDude is saying crazy shit? I can out do him
[18:02] <scientes> seemed to be getting alittle off-toic ;)
[18:02] <MarkDude> He does well at it
[18:03] <scientes> even for a social channel :D
[18:03] <MarkDude> scientes, fair enough. I just hope that people dont take me serious when I am participating in tomfoolery
[18:03] <scientes> jkjkjk
[18:04] <MarkDude> :D
[18:04] <DonkeyHotei> scientes: technically, #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic is supposed to be the social channel, but it is fail
[18:04] <MarkDude> Maybe if there were more folks that idled in #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic
[18:04] <MarkDude> Not really DonkeyHotei
[18:04] <scientes> DonkeyHotei, that is too much
[18:05] <MarkDude> We have had some FOSS discussions in there
[18:05] <MarkDude> The CoC still applies there, but we have more wiggle room to talk there
[18:06] <DonkeyHotei> of most of the related channels i can think of, this one tends to be the most social
[18:06]  * MarkDude likes talking about Fedora fails in there. There are numerous to talk about. Its not logged, thats good for talking freely about how to learn from fails
[18:10] <DonkeyHotei> at one point, i stayed in #ubuntu-us-fl for a while, and they're far more social than this channel
[18:14] <MarkDude> Yep - they are very social
[18:15] <MarkDude> Fedora's India channel is the most formal channel I idle in
[18:16] <MarkDude> It is practice there to preface EVERY sentence with the persons nick
[18:16] <MarkDude> When they have meetings, you can only speak after you type a !
[18:16] <MarkDude> and are called on
[18:17]  * MarkDude thinks that Cali Team has the best meetings. The flow works really well, and others could learn from it :)
[18:17] <scientes> MarkDude, holy moley
[18:17] <scientes> re: india
[18:18] <scientes> i've never seen formal IRC, i can hardly imagine it
[18:18] <MarkDude> Yep. There is a clear line dividing people there- usually at age 35
[18:18] <MarkDude> under they are more loose
[18:18] <MarkDude> Over, I always use folks titles when speaking to them
[18:19] <scientes> well thats just good practice
[18:21] <akk> In India, you mean?
[18:21] <akk> I don't really see that here -- CA is pretty informal at all ages.
[18:22] <scientes> sir
[18:22] <scientes> sir
[18:22] <DonkeyHotei> i don't feel comfortable around people who are that loose
[18:22] <scientes> what is your problem sir
[18:22] <scientes> sir
[18:24] <DonkeyHotei> i'm very asocial by nature and it takes a lot of energy and effort to dabble in socialization
[18:28] <MarkDude> You sirs and madams are correct
[20:22] <philipballew> Best tool to completely wipe someones hd so it can never be seen again?
[20:22] <scientes_> philipballew, dban
[20:25] <philipballew> alright. seems good enough scientes
[20:26] <MarkDude> dban.org
[20:26] <MarkDude> set it to level 7 I think for complete wipe
[20:26] <MarkDude> altho 3 passes apears to be decent
[20:30] <philipballew> yeah, got a core 2 laptop from a insurance agent. I can have it if I wipe it.
[20:34] <MarkDude> philipballew, for peace of mind- you can send link to them
[20:34] <MarkDude> It really helps professional folks feel safe with it
[20:34] <MarkDude> Even the folks in Canada that use the Royal Canadian MP version to wipe
[20:35] <MarkDude> Free Geek Vancouver does that
[20:35] <philipballew> Free Geek Auburn is about to as well
[20:36] <MarkDude> Hmmm, are they on the FG startup list?
[20:36] <philipballew> no, I have yet to do anything with this group I created 15 seconds ago. :)
[20:37] <MarkDude> Fair enough
[22:51] <MarkDude> grantbow, here is what I was talking about on Fri
[22:51] <MarkDude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
[23:10] <MarkDude> Does anybody know what channel does the LocoCouncil idle in ?
[23:12] <MarkDude> They only use U-meeting I guess. and are not in same channel otherwise?
[23:37] <pleia2> MarkDude: #ubuntu-locoteams
[23:38] <MarkDude> perfect pleia2
[23:38] <MarkDude> ty MarkDude has to make sure that folks know that I was the person behind the Twitter account
[23:42] <MarkDude> Cleaning up messes and such :)