[09:49] <mwak> hi
[13:18] <jcastro> m_3: ping me when you're around!
[13:36] <m_3> jcastro: yo
[13:36] <m_3> greetings from Utah!
[13:43] <benji> I wasted a little time the other day because a relation was in an error state and I didn't notice it in the juju status output.  That got me thinking about colorizing the output to make errors pass less silently.  If there that functionality is desirable, I'll cook up a branch.
[13:44] <benji> I suspect it will be off by default and those who want it on will use an alias to enable it.
[13:53] <hazmat> benji, that sounds nice.. it be nice to start to have it as a juju-jitsu command..
[13:54] <hazmat> benji, i always run things in emacs shells and escape codes cause foobar... but i'm probably one of a small few in that regard
[13:55] <benji> hazmat: not having used juju-jitsu, what is the attraction of having that functionality there?  It is a proving ground for inclusion in juju-proper?
[13:55] <hazmat> benji, i think of it as such
[13:55] <benji> yeah, as much as I like colorized output, making it the default is not really feasible
[13:56] <hazmat> benji, the primary benefit of jitsu is it needs no coordination or acceptance, its very JFDI friendly
[13:56] <hazmat> benji, if you want to just do it core, that also sounds good, just drop an email proposal to the list.
[13:57] <benji> I'll think abotu which would be the best approach.  Thanks for the input!
[14:03] <jcastro> jamespage: you're going to europython right?
[14:08] <jcastro> jimbaker: there's nothing left to do for the Usenix config management thing other than for you to go and execute right?
[15:01] <jimbaker> jcastro, correct
[15:01] <jcastro> mramm: ^^^ I think you might both be there
[15:01] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: ping me once you're free, I'll be here for 3 more hours
[15:05] <zooko> Hi folks!
[15:05] <zooko> Please suggest a charm that I can copy and edit in order to create a charm for Tahoe-LAFS.
[15:05] <zooko> There is one distinguished coordinating server plus any number of other servers.
[15:06] <zooko> The other servers can come and go without any response being required on anyone's part, so there's no configuration change or anything required to add or subtract servers.
[15:06] <zooko> So, it ought to be pretty simple.
[15:10] <jcastro> jimbaker: ^^^
[15:13] <jimbaker> zooko, you can browse the charms at http://jujucharms.com/charms - off the top of my head, i don't remember which ones have implemented a leader election (via a peer relationship) but they're out there. there's a charm helper for that
[15:15] <jimbaker> zooko, want to get together for coffee today?
[15:17] <jimbaker> zooko, probably the cassandra charm is a good place to start, see for example, http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/cassandra/hooks/cluster-relation-joined
[15:20] <hazmat> there's a known issue with smaller unit sequence as leader
[15:21] <jimbaker> hazmat, so is there a bug in the cassandra charm?
[15:21] <marcoceppi> the peer.sh is still experimental as it's hard to guarantee that the leader will always exists based on lowest unit number
[15:22] <hazmat> jimbaker, yes, but its timing dependent
[15:22] <hazmat> if you add one unit, wait a while, then add more, its fine
[15:22] <hazmat> but if you have a bunch coming up at once for the initial deploy -n 5 for example
[15:22] <hazmat> then they may come up and not see a stable leader till unit/1 shows up
[15:23] <zooko> jimbaker: thanks!
[15:23] <zooko> jimbaker: it is simpler than that -- there is no leader election. The distinguished server ("introducer") is a different type of server from the others and is created specifically by the human.
[15:23] <zooko> jimbaker: I'd love to! But, I can't, because I'm responsible for three boys while I work today and all this week. :-)
[15:23] <jimbaker> zooko, that makes things easier
[15:23] <zooko> And, I need to pack us all up for a two-month trip to Canada.
[15:24] <zooko> Yes, I think Tahoe-LAFS should be fairly simple to charmify.
[15:24] <zooko> You create one introducer, then you get a string from it which identifies it and you configure any number of storage servers, giving them that string.
[15:24] <zooko> That's almost all that needs to be done.
[15:25] <jimbaker> zooko, sounds straightforward
[15:40] <jcastro> lynxman: you're set for reviews on Wednesday (reminder)
[15:47] <negronjl> 'morning all
[15:48] <jcastro> hi!
[15:48] <jcastro> SpamapS: around?
[15:53] <m_3> negronjl: yo!
[15:53] <negronjl> m_3: 'morning
[17:25] <surgemcgee> How can I get my unit out of debug mode? The debug-hooks shell quit after prolonged activiaty. Now is remains in it's perma debug state. Blah
[17:25] <surgemcgee> *in-activaty
[17:27] <SpamapS> surgemcgee: kill the shell under tmux
[19:13] <jcastro> imbrandon: I appreciate you taking a screenshot of the HP account #'s instead of something I could copy and paste. :p
[19:13] <imbrandon> jcastro: i totaly thought i sent both, one was a joke
[19:13] <imbrandon> heh
[19:14] <imbrandon> i'm sorry if i did not send the other right behind it, twas my intention
[19:14] <imbrandon> heh
[19:14] <jcastro> it's ok, if some other random person with a close enough digit gets free HP cloud instead it's not my fault. :)
[19:14] <imbrandon> was supose to look like yours on the wiki :)
[23:18] <adam_g> is it currently not possible to push to / create quantal charm branches? ie, lp:~gandelman-a/charms/quantal/mysql/testing ?
[23:37] <vila> adam_g: I ran into the same issue last week. Got no definitive answer. Let me know if you learn more (I'm not there, I'm sleeping ;)