[00:08] <mythos> nice...
[12:34] <mm_arm> Hi, ubuntu-arm team. I want to build my own pre-installed ubtuntuimage quite similar to online distributed "Pre-Installed OMAP/OMAP4 Images". But I could not find anz information about how to build such an image. I need to build my own image b/c 1st: I need armel (not armhf) and 2nd: I need to make changes to the rootfs before istributing it.
[12:34] <mm_arm> Short: How do you crate the preinstalled images? And could I do so too?
[12:35] <twb> I imagine the short version is debootstrap
[12:36] <mm_arm> Ok. I can use debootstrap. This would result in an tar.gz. But what about the fat boot partition and its contents?
[12:37] <twb> debootstrap generates a chroot
[12:37] <ogra_> you could just modify an existing image ... but since you want armel that wont help
[12:37] <twb> Making it bootable is outside the scope of debootstarp
[12:37] <ogra_> note that armel will very likely go away very soon though
[12:37] <twb> Basically you'd want to install a kernel, do misc. other stuff like create fstab and hosts, and then finally set up a bootloader
[12:38] <mm_arm> unfortunately we are currently depend on a 3rd party software that is available as armel only
[12:40] <mm_arm> could i simply use the fat-partition of upstream prebuild images 1:1?
[12:40] <twb> http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/twb-bootstrap shows something vaaaguely similar that I'm doing
[12:41] <twb> There might be other stuff to automate a lot of it, but I am not aware of anything that is currently maintained and recommended.  People directly involved in Ubuntu arm probably know better
[12:41]  * twb is just a user
[12:47] <mm_arm> ok. thanks. But you don't know how upstream "original" images have been created?
[12:48] <ogra_> the rootfs is created using live-build
[12:48] <ogra_> they are made bootable by non-public scripts in the debian-cd and cdimage projects
[13:02] <mm_arm> thanks. And do you know how they handle "self contained" installation process? Or could you guide me to the doc
[13:07] <infinity> rsalveti: Care to poke at compiz on quantal?
[13:08] <infinity> ogra_: Or you, since you're intimately familiar with GLES compiz. :P
[13:12] <ogra_> infinity, i'm on it, already discussed with didrocks that we will drop Werror for now (we dont have GL drivers anyway so compiz wuldnt run)
[13:12] <ogra_> just starting a testbuild with the error drop here
[13:12] <infinity> That seems like the wrong fix. :P
[13:12] <infinity> But I guess it works for now.
[13:13] <ogra_> its good as temporary workaround, getting images is more important than bling :)
[13:19] <ogra_> bah, sigh, my chroot is to outdated
[13:20]  * ogra_ dist-upgrades
[13:21]  * infinity wonders if it might be a bad thing that he's lost 7 pounds (~3kg) in the last two days...
[13:21] <ogra_> *envy*
[13:21] <ogra_> must be the chinese food :)
[13:22] <furan> water :P
[13:23] <infinity> ogra_: While I'm blaming you for lack of beer images on ftpmaster reports, do you plan to sort out why flash-kernel depends on linux-base, and then make it stop doing so?
[13:23] <infinity> (I'm assuming the dep is actually to use something from the package, but maybe it's entirely unneeded)
[13:23] <ogra_> infinity, it does so because lool told it to
[13:23] <infinity> Har har.
[13:23] <ogra_> we sorted linux-base though, it should be in main now
[13:24] <infinity> I meant "why" as in "does it use linux-base scripts?"
[13:24] <ogra_> (unless the MIR team is behind still)
[13:24] <infinity> linux-base isn't in main.
[13:24] <ogra_> have you looked into linux-base ?
[13:24] <infinity> Also, why should it be?
[13:24] <ogra_> it only contains a single script
[13:24] <infinity> It doesn't relate to our kernel packages at all.
[13:24] <infinity> But okay.
[13:24] <infinity> *shrug*
[13:24] <ogra_> called linux-version
[13:25] <ogra_> which has a few good functions to determine the latest kernel version
[13:25] <furan> maybe you should call the package linux-version
[13:25] <ogra_> its a debian package
[13:25] <ogra_> they chose that name
[13:25] <infinity> I know it's a Debian package...
[13:25] <ogra_> though by default it also ships perf
[13:25] <infinity> Oh, you were responding to furan. :P
[13:26] <ogra_> yep :)
[13:26] <ogra_> who isnt jetlagged i belive :)
[13:27] <infinity> :P
[13:27]  * ogra_ shakes his head about insane people that roll android 4.0 images for the ac100
[13:28] <infinity> ogra_: Any chance you could try to push some clever (if Debian; the stuff; elif Ubuntu; then nostuff; fi) magic back to Debian for linux-base, so we don't accidentally merge and/or sync the postinst of doom back in later?
[13:29] <infinity> Besides, it seems to be the right thing for other derivatives too (forcing the UUID transition on anyone but Debian seems wrong)
[13:29] <ogra_> i doubt there is a risk of doing that, given that the kernel team always rips perf out too
[13:29] <infinity> Mistakes happen.
[13:29] <infinity> And it would be a pretty grave bug if it slipped by.
[13:29] <ogra_> i'll look into that after i got compiz rolling again
[13:29] <infinity> Granted, only on arm* by default.
[13:29] <infinity> But still.
[13:30] <infinity> Some day, I hear we'll have lots of ARM enterprise users.
[13:30] <ogra_> (for which i need to wait for a dist-upgrade on my panda to finish first)
[13:30] <infinity> And those guys are whiny.
[13:30] <ogra_> let them whine ... as long as they dont stop paying :P
[13:36] <ogra_> infinity, bug 1006717 BTW
[13:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1006717 in eilt "[MIR] linux-base" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006717
[13:37] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah, I already read it.  Hence the postinst comment.
[13:47] <janrinze> lilstevie: you here?
[14:00] <lool> ogra_, infinity: flash-kernel got a dependency on linux-base for the linux-version command (as I recalled by reading the changelog)
[14:01] <ogra_> yeah
[14:01] <lool> it's basically to use the right latest version of the kernel
[14:01] <ogra_> linux-base just ships extra cruft though
[14:02] <ogra_> especially a very evil postinst that partses all possible files for UUID and rewrites them
[14:02] <ogra_> *parses
[14:02] <lool> This was done for Debian, I don't know what the kernel team thinks of this for Ubuntu
[14:02] <ogra_> we dropped the postinst in ubuntu
[14:02] <lool> it's a good idea to keep this logic in only one place though
[14:02] <ogra_> essentially linux-base only contains linux-version and the depending perl module now
[14:03] <ogra_> (in ubuntut that is)
[17:22] <angs> what demo file do I need to install for beaglebone?
[17:25] <angs> anyone alive?
[17:25] <prpplague> angs: i didnt think there was any official support for beaglebone from ubuntu
[17:25]  * prpplague looks
[17:26] <GrueMaster> prpplague: How much different is the bbone from the beagle/beagleXM?
[17:27] <GrueMaster> I know our omap image supports both beagleboard & XM.
[17:27] <angs> it says there is a support for beaglebone from ubuntu http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm
[17:27] <prpplague> angs: not directly from ubuntu
[17:27] <angs> but I wonder why the documentation is for beagleboard http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[17:28] <prpplague> angs: thats not on the ubuntu wiki
[17:28] <angs> beaglebone also use arm7a
[17:29] <angs> I see on the net some people use ubuntu on beaglebone
[17:29] <prpplague> angs: yea, if you read the instructions, they are downloading images and hacking them with a custom kernel
[17:29] <angs> I just wonder where is the image files
[17:29] <prpplague> angs: it isn't official ubuntu support
[17:29] <angs> prpplague: thanks for the information
[17:30] <prpplague> angs: from the instructions there are no pre-built binaries to download
[17:30] <angs> even if I install ubuntu on beaglebone, so I will have trouble to find support, right?
[17:30] <prpplague> angs: you have to build them yourself
[17:30] <prpplague> angs: most likely, at least no real support here, you will need to get it over in #beagle
[17:30] <angs> I am a beginner in linux, I guess it is better for me to find another distribution
[17:31] <angs> #beagle people usually do not reply, #angstrom as well
[17:31] <prpplague> angs: ahh ok there are some pre-built images on the page
[17:31] <angs> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM?
[17:32] <prpplague> angs: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Precise_12.04_armhf
[17:32] <angs> thanks
[18:36] <angs> I installed ubuntu-12.04-r1-minimal-armhf on my embedded board(beaglebone). I am trying to connect it by "ssh root@192.168.0.101" but it doesnt work.
[18:36] <angs> what should I do?
[18:44] <infinity> That isn't an official Ubuntu image.
[18:44] <angs> it worked after I reboot 3 times
[18:45] <angs> to install packages to my board, which category do I need to select on here http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[18:45] <infinity> Just use apt...
[18:45] <infinity> apt-get install foo bar
[18:45] <infinity> Same as on any other architecture.
[18:45] <angs> thanks
[18:52] <angs> why there is no official ubuntu image for beaglebone although there is an official image for beagleboard?