/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/04/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

dholbachgood morning07:02
benonsoftwareEvening dholbach07:09
dholbachhey benonsoftware07:09
benonsoftwareHow was your weekend?07:10
dholbachgreat - I went to a Balkan music party on Friday and Saturday had a couple of friends over07:10
dholbachhow about yourself?07:11
benonsoftwareAll week I've been sick, today is the best I've been. But I'm looking forward to school tomorrow07:12
dholbachoh damn :-/07:13
dholbachI hope you're up to speed soon again07:13
benonsoftwareThanks07:14
benonsoftwareKeynote for iPad is so... limited :/07:16
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jcastrocjohnston: what's up with the line?14:06
jcastrohttp://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/jorge.html14:06
jcastrobkerensa: yo so you still want me to submit for an hp account for you?14:14
jonoMr dholbach14:58
jonoshall we?14:59
dholbachhey jono14:59
dholbachyep, just a sec14:59
dholbachlet's do it15:00
jonodholbach, invite sent15:01
jonojcastro, marcoceppi btw, we are so close to having all the AU Accomplishments documented15:01
marcoceppijono: I know! I'm wrapping up my last batch now15:02
jonomarcoceppi, :-)15:02
dholbachjono, sponsoring queue this morning: 103, now: 82 :)15:29
dholbachstill some way to go, but we're getting there15:29
jonodholbach, :-)15:29
jonoyeah lets get this under a more manageable state15:30
jonodholbach, can you blog asking people to help too?15:30
dholbachsure15:30
bkerensajcastro: yeah :)15:30
jonodpm, all set15:30
dpmjono, yep15:31
dholbachjono, done15:42
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jonodpm, chatting in #is about the ticket16:17
jonothey are looking into it16:17
dholbachalright my friends - see you all tomorrow again16:32
jussiany canonical folks about at the moment ?16:42
czajkowskijussi: sup16:43
jussiczajkowski: Ill PM16:43
czajkowskiok16:43
jcastro<--- late lunch16:53
jonomhall119, about set?17:01
mhall119yup17:02
jonomhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/38010f5225942696d10c0e03351131cc20a053fc?authuser=0&hl=en-US17:05
jcastrobkerensa: you still use cloudflare?17:23
bkerensajcastro: of course17:23
jcastroI signed up last week17:23
jcastro1.2 GB bandwidth saved by CloudFlare17:23
jcastroI think my bill on AWS will be teeny17:23
bkerensajcastro: how many requests saved?17:25
jcastro38,28917:25
bkerensajcastro: nice17:32
jcastrobkerensa: I still need your tenantID and all that if you want in on this round17:32
bkerensajcastro: lol I sent it17:33
jono upvote please: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ukhfz/nearly_10000_humble_indie_bundle_ubuntu_software/17:33
jcastrohmmm no17:33
jcastroAre you sure you sent it to me or HP?17:33
bkerensajcastro: sent again... it should have been in the original part of the e-mail maybe it got truncated17:34
cprofittjono: bought mine yesterday -- will blog about it tonight17:34
jcastrono worries, that's why I checked17:34
jonocprofitt, :-)17:34
bkerensajono: you and jcastro and co need to make a secret reddit acct ;) self promo or promo of company stuff will get you banned from reddit or muted :P17:36
bkerensajust a heads up17:36
bkerensa:P17:36
mhall119wow, the twitter feed on the 12.04 installer is pretty cool17:41
mhall119jono: is that 10,000 total app downloads, or 10,000 bundle purchases?17:43
bkerensamhall119: yeah it is... I wonder how it works with no internet connection17:44
jonomhall119, bundles17:46
marcoceppiEpic, glad to be one of the 10k!17:53
mhall119popey: do you have the fingerprint reader working on your x220?17:57
popeymhall119: i havent tried, so no18:02
jcastrohey popey18:04
jcastroI tend to default to blaming you for things like this18:05
popeyhmm?18:05
jcastrobut has anyone noticed that we have things here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows18:05
jcastroand on other parts I am sure18:05
jcastrothat actually are not the ubuntu way?18:05
jcastrohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows/Philosophy18:06
jcastrothis one in particular18:06
popeywhat about them?18:06
jcastrolinux is about choice18:07
jcastroblah blah18:07
* popey marks as 'opinion'18:07
jcastroright18:07
jcastrobut look where it's hosted, etc.18:07
jcastrohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/146179/ubuntu-philosophy-question18:07
jcastrowhen you write opinion on doc pages18:07
jcastropeople ask questions18:07
jcastroanyway, I am just whining to you18:09
jcastrobecause this is the sort of thing that is usually your fault18:09
popeyi blame you for not deleting it yet18:09
jcastrowhy do we even have stuff like this on the wiki18:10
popeyits more of a blog post than anything18:10
jcastroI mean, we _have_ a vetted community philosophy page18:10
popeyit was all written by one guy18:10
jcastroI can't tell, I get 500 erros when I select info on the wiki18:11
jcastroheh18:11
popeyi managed to get that to load18:11
snap-l"Linux has a long, smooth learning curve." That's hot.18:12
jcastro"Windows' learning curve has created a strict caste system - users are expected to give up when they hit a wall, developers are supposed to attend the seminar or read the book. Linux's learning curve has created a more egalitarian system - everyone is supposed to follow the learning curve as far as they can, and no further."18:13
jcastrounder the social mobility part18:13
jcastroheh18:13
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1023629/18:14
popeydear zeitgeist. die18:14
jcastropopey: also hey did you see RAID5/6 isn't far away18:14
popeyseriously. i have _no_ idea what my laptop is doing now18:14
jcastronot this upcoming kernel, the next one probably18:15
popeybut it's being eaten alive by deamons18:15
czajkowskinyom nyom munch munch18:15
czajkowskitasty laptop heheh18:15
snap-lpopey: Zeitgeist detected your laptop wasn't running at peak temperature, and is compensating18:17
popeyclearly18:19
snap-lYou can modify that behavior by removing the "dasblinkenlights" parameter under gconf18:19
snap-l(note: not really)18:19
jonoballoons, about set?18:27
balloonsman time flies18:28
balloonsI'm ready18:29
jonoballoons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2b896a228445057f7f9160de00c036767ebce445?authuser=0&hl=en-US18:31
balloonsheh.. too much for this pc :-)18:32
balloons4 workspaces means 4x as much stuff going on :-)18:32
jonoballoons, can you join?18:34
balloonsjono, it's timing out18:34
balloonstrying..18:34
jonook18:34
balloonsswitching browsers18:34
cjohnstonjcastro: whats the problem with status?18:41
jcastrocjohnston: my line is starting on the wrong place19:08
jcastroit should be at 41, not 35.19:09
jcastrobut whatever, I closed some things to get back unda19:09
jcastrobkerensa: up for some HN spreading-the-word later?19:23
jcastroI have something awesome19:24
bkerensajcastro: HN?19:27
jcastrohackernews yo19:27
bkerensajcastro: oh yeah let me know19:27
balloonsjcastro, you have a surprise for HN?19:27
* balloons remembers seeing an interesting juju discussion on there once19:27
jcastronot surprise19:27
jcastrowell sort of19:27
jcastroit's just normal awesomeness19:27
jcastronot like, earth shattering, just cool19:28
balloonsjust normal awesomeness :-) I like it19:28
jcastrobkerensa: hey have you ever measured the impact of Facebook's like button JS?19:30
jcastroit's basically a steaming pile.19:30
bkerensajcastro: its impact in traffic? or impact in load times?19:31
jcastroload times19:31
cjohnstonjcastro: it starts below done not at the top. so if you had 50 items and 45 were done when it reset, the line would start at 519:32
balloonsjcastro, http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/9372419:32
jcastroballoons: not as a user19:32
jcastroas a person who puts one on my blog19:32
bkerensajcastro: The Facebook Script adds about 32 milliseconds to load19:32
jcastrohttp://informationarchitects.net/blog/sweep-the-sleaze/19:33
jcastroI found this interesting19:33
jcastroand it was waaay longer than 32 on mine19:33
bkerensajcastro: do you minify all js on your page?19:33
bkerensa:d19:33
jcastroso I ditched it, but I kept the HN and G+ ones since that's probably what my audience is on19:33
jcastroremoving FB also reduces the wrong-audience19:34
jcastroso I can skillfully evade the "unity sucks" crowd19:34
balloonsjcastro, ahh.. you mean you added a "like" button to your blog for facebook?19:34
jcastro:)19:34
balloonslol -- why would do propagate such madness?19:35
jcastroballoons: yeah, so I did the value vs. load time thought this weekend.19:35
* balloons should do a load time check on his blog19:35
jcastrohttp://loadimpact.com/19:37
jcastrothis one is quick and easy19:37
bkerensajcastro: all traffic has value to me imho19:38
bkerensaeven if they are haters19:38
bkerensahaters are my biggest fans :P19:38
marcoceppijcastro: sweet site19:40
bkerensajcastro: http://whichloadsfaster.com/19:40
jcastrohttp://whichloadsfaster.com/?l=www.benjaminkerensa.com&r=jorgecastro.org19:42
bkerensajcastro: im doing stuff in the backend right now ;)19:43
jcastrowell, you know  me, had to go for it19:44
jcastromwahaha19:44
balloonsbah jorge, you beat me easily too..19:49
balloonsthat s3 static stuff is SO quick19:49
bkerensaballoons: nah its not that19:50
czajkowskijcastro: does fitbit work on Ubuntu ?19:50
jcastronot really19:50
balloonsbkerensa, ohh what is it?19:50
bkerensaballoons: its the fact that he uses html5 and has no images and stripped down JS19:50
bkerensa:D19:50
balloonsI know I have a couple of fat js that run19:50
bkerensahe is running a barebones site practically19:50
jcastroI have tons of images19:50
bkerensapeh19:50
jcastrothough I cut down on the amount on the front page because my page size was 1.2 megs or something19:50
bkerensahttp://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/EP18nC4Xt/benjaminkerensa.com <--- load times historically19:52
bkerensajcastro: wow you do have a lot of content19:52
bkerensa>.<19:52
jcastroI  just now cut it down to like the last 10 posts19:52
bkerensa1.4mb19:52
jcastroinstead of 25 or whatever I had it before19:52
bkerensamy site is 55kb total19:53
bkerensa:D19:53
bkerensa555kb*19:53
* bkerensa is looking for a cartoon artist of sorts to re-design my blog :P19:54
bkerensajcastro: do you hard code your sharing scripts or use a plugin?19:56
jcastrothey're built into octopress19:56
jcastrothough I had to manually hack in the HN one19:56
mhall119bkerensa: you should talk to doctormo19:56
bkerensamhall119: I was thinking more like outsourcing to a 15 year old on deviantart :)19:59
bkerensa:P19:59
bkerensajono: http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Magazine/Archive/2012/13/Ubuntu-Developer-Summit-Quantal-Quetzal20:59
bkerensathere is a pdf copy of my article which lands in the july print issue ^20:59
cprofittnice bkerensa21:00
jonobkerensa, cool!21:02
popeyjcastro: passed a link to your btrfs post to my mate who helps them out...21:05
popey"Is he a big ubuntu person?"21:05
popey"(Obviously, not as important as you are, but...)"21:05
popey21:05
jcastroI would say I'm just some guy21:05
jcastroI mean, you wouldn't trust me for filesystem advice would you?21:06
popeyi would say the same tbh21:06
popeyloving btrfs also btw ☺21:07
popeyi mentioned btrfs to cking at the party yesterday21:07
jcastroi'm more thinking "well if popey and jorge can do this, and I'm sitting here with LVM like a chump ..."21:07
popeyhis wife was stood next to him... she shook her had and sucked air through her teeth.. "Ooh, you tried that didn't you?"21:07
jcastrohahahah21:07
cprofittmy LUG had Chris Mason come talk to us about btrfs two years ago... looks like its time to get him in again.21:09
bkerensaIs it not true that btrfs is not a good option over ext4?21:12
jcastronot for your default fs yet21:12
jcastrobut as my blog says, if you have a bunch of disks and are sick of mdadm/lvm and all that noise ...21:13
popeyI'm loving btrfs21:14
bkerensahmm21:14
popeybeing able to live add/remove disks is pretty awesome21:15
jcastropopey: it's taking almost all my willpower to NOT to just take my old disks, buy that esata card21:15
jcastroand just tack them on like you're doing21:15
jcastropopey: how good are you with btrfs math?21:16
jcastrolike figuring out useful space?21:16
popeyno21:16
popeyi have 8x2TB disks.. yet btrfs fi df /srv says...21:21
popeyData, RAID1: total=6.77TB, used=3.07TB21:21
popeyso yeah, no idea21:21
marcoceppiI got the general run around on how to compute space, but it's still a little fuzzy21:36
cjohnstonjcastro: I just rechecked your chart.. it is correct21:48
jcastrok ta21:49
cjohnstondont worry.. i had surgery this morning, but I'm still here for you :-P21:49
popeymarcoceppi: jcastro if you're _only_ using RAID1 then just use df and divide by 221:56
jcastroright21:56
popeytheir argument is you could have a mix of RAID1 and other RAID levels so it's impossible to determine the potential free space21:57
popeybecause you dont know what RAID level data you're going to write in the future21:57
daker-cloudoh dear Feisty & Edgy https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/139022:06
jcastrohey jono23:58
jcastroeasy badge: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/accomplishments23:58
jcastrocreate a tag wiki there23:58
cjohnstonjcastro: do you have a deleted 20 wiki pages badge?23:59

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