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didrocksgood morning06:20
pittihey didrocks, ca va?06:50
didrocksguten morgen pitti06:50
didrocksça va bien, et toi? :)06:50
pittije vais bien, merci!06:50
pittisome friends of us visited us over the weekend, was nice; we walked a looooot :)06:51
didrocksoh great :)06:51
didrocksI didn't get a really relaxing week-end as at the ubuntu-fr booth for 2 days, but next one will be a tireless-free one :)06:51
glatzormorning pitti07:06
pittihey glatzor, guten Morgen!07:07
glatzorpitti, could you help me on a gobject problem: I want to to build the sphinx documentation of aptdaemon, but it fails with a failed import: from ._gi import _API, Repository. To reproduce just run python setup.py build_sphinx07:08
pittiglatzor: will try in a sec07:10
pittierror: invalid command 'build_sphinx'07:11
pittioh, I still have my pkcompat-enhancements branch here, hang on07:11
pittiglatzor: hm, pulled trunk, still says that ^07:13
glatzorpitti you need to install python-sphinx07:14
pittioh, silly me; doing07:14
pittibuild succeeded, 29 warnings.07:14
pittiglatzor: right, I get the exception as well07:15
pittiglatzor: apparetnly it tries to import the old static "gobject", too, as the error says07:15
pittiImportError: could not import gobject (error was: ImportError('When using gi.repository you must not import static modules like "gobject". Please change all occurrences of "import gobject" to "from gi.repository import GObject".',))07:15
pittiglatzor: my usual trick for this is to add raise ImportError("not static!") to /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gobject/constants.py07:18
pittito get an exception at the time when the static module is imported07:18
pittiapparently it's done in __import__(self.modname), it probably takes that from the aptdaemon source?07:18
pittiglatzor: there are several imports of "gobject" in the source left, indeed07:19
pitti./aptdaemon/client.py:    import gobject as GObject07:19
pittiand presumably from the old gtkwidgets.py07:19
pittiglatzor: with this trick I only have one error left: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1022653/07:20
pittiglatzor: which applies to "gtkwidgets" indeed; not much we can do about that, I'm afraid; I think it's okay to skip that old module from the docs, though?07:21
glatzorpitti, thanks that seems to be the trick. I just removed the old sources. I missed the import gobject warning although reading the error log several times ...07:23
pittiglatzor: gtkwidgets are gone now? \o/07:23
glatzorno just from the documentation :)07:23
pittiah, good07:23
pittiglatzor: python-aptdaemon.gtkwidgets seems to have zero reverse dependencies left07:24
pittipython-aptdaemon-gtk still has two07:24
Sweetsharkmoin07:25
pittihey Sweetshark, wie gehts?07:28
Sweetsharkpitti: good, I had be to a party weekend in Schwerin. It had been really interesting: Schwerin is just an 1 hour drive from hamburg and its an different world altogether.07:35
pittiSweetshark: indeed; we drove through on a bicycle tour a few years back07:39
Sweetsharkpitti: also culture is different. and it is the capitol of McPomm with mere 100000 inhabitants. That drew a few snide remarks from Hamburg guys/gals ...07:47
* pitti objects to "Mc" Pomm07:51
Sweetsharkpitti: still, not being derogative: it is just different. Some are happy with the way things worked there and like the way life is. while other do not, esp. some of those would loudly claim to love it -- qui s'excuse, s'accuse.07:52
SweetsharkMcPomm is how Mecklenburg expatriates in Hamburg call their home. And there are a lot of them.07:53
pittiwow, I didn't know that07:53
Laneymorning08:04
seb128hey08:06
RAOFseb128: Good morning!08:07
seb128RAOF, hey, how are you?08:07
RAOFI'm the all-singing all-dancing compositor master!08:07
RAOFAlso, I'm fine.08:08
RAOF;)08:08
pittibonjour seb128, hey RAOF08:10
pittiRAOF: nice, making progress with the system compositor?08:10
seb128RAOF, hehe, did you get something working?08:10
RAOFseb128: For sufficiently loose definitions of "working"08:11
seb128pitti, hey our qa friend, how are you? ;-)08:11
RAOFie: the *compositor* (probably) works, but there aren't any clients that support it :)08:11
pittiseb128: I'm great, thanks! we had a nice weekend, some friends came to visit08:11
* RAOF heads to pilates.08:11
didrockssalut seb128, Laney, RAOF!08:12
seb128lut didrocks08:13
Laneyhola!08:13
Laneycómo estás?08:13
SweetsharkWe should add a splash screen with RAOF singing and dancing on opening a unity3D session ...08:15
seb128Laney, hey, how are you?08:15
seb128hey Sweetshark08:15
pittihey Laney08:15
Laneywe had a wet weekend but there were some celebrations for the jubilee :-)08:15
seb128Laney, I saw your unity ftfbs bug, did you talk to didrocks about it? the dx guys have been looking at it for some days08:15
Laneydidrocks already saw it08:16
Laneyand rejected :P08:16
didrocksand already rejected the branches ;)08:16
seb128ok08:16
LaneyI never saw that segfault though, strange08:16
seb128Laney, I need to reply at your email :-(08:16
Laneyheheh08:16
didrocksLaney: reliable for me, between 0 and 2s after looging08:16
didrockslogging*08:16
Laneyoh well, no worries if it's being worked08:16
seb128Laney, if we had waited on the q build to work those bug fixes would still not have been uploaded to the lts proposed08:16
seb128Laney, thanks for assuming we were ignoring issues :p08:17
* Sweetshark doesnt like his precise notebook sometimes hanging on "checking battery state" during boot.08:17
seb128Sweetshark, don't pay attention to the message, that's likely not where it's hanging08:18
Laneyah, didn't mean to accuse, just saw those examples08:19
Laneymaybe something else can be done there08:19
Sweetsharkseb128: right, I even got a vt by ctrl-alt-F2, pstree showed lightdm running happily (even though I didnt saw anything of that). /etc/init.d/lightdm restart then gave me an X.08:20
Sweetsharks/didnt saw/didnt see/08:21
seb128Sweetshark, it does it only sometimes?08:22
Sweetsharkseb128: yep.08:22
seb128Laney, well, the "It's not clear to me what we can do about people not test-building their uploads", I did the unity upload and I did test build and run it so it's a bit offensive08:23
seb128Laney, it just happens that I'm still on precise08:24
seb128Laney, where the build works08:24
Sweetsharkit started a few days ago. Possible changes a) a recent softwate update b) I ran the notebook with battery pack and DVD-drive removed for the first time around that time too.08:25
Sweetsharkseb128: ^08:25
seb128Sweetshark, I don't think we had any recent update that should impact on the boot sequence08:25
Sweetsharkseb128: maybe its just this screen handover to X stuff?08:26
seb128could be08:26
Sweetsharknvidia-drivers do not work since ~January on oneiric on this machine. Nouveau and intel mostly work.08:28
Sweetsharkso the X stuff is somewhat tricky on this machine anyway.08:28
dupondjeSomething changed with gnome-shell recently ? Having a really annoying issue, which I can't seem to solve, and occuring more frequently now08:40
dupondjeIf I login to the gnome-shell, it fails to load completely08:40
dupondjeno errors, nothing :s08:40
seb128dupondje, precise,08:45
seb128?08:45
seb128Sweetshark, could be bug #96948908:46
ubot2`Launchpad bug 969489 in lightdm "lightdm tries (and fails) to start too early?" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96948908:46
seb128Sweetshark, see comment #1908:47
dupondjeseb128: precise indeed08:48
dupondjehad it once a week or so before08:49
dupondjesince last week, almost every startup :s08:49
dupondjequite annoying :)08:49
seb128dupondje, dunno, I don't think many people here are using g-s, maybe ask jbicha when he's around ... did you try to look to .xsession-errors when that happens?08:49
Sweetsharkseb128: could be. Also added a SSD recently so maybe I am just booting too fast08:49
seb128Sweetshark, can you try to change suggested in comment 19?08:49
dupondjeseb128: no errors in .xsession-errors. Can fix it with just going to other console, kill -9 gnome-shell, and then it runs fine.08:50
Sweetsharkseb128: yes, will do. I would need some reboot to see if things get better.08:51
seb128Sweetshark, just change it and see how it goes in the next weeks?08:51
Sweetsharkseb128: yes08:52
Sweetsharklightdm has too many files called lightdm.conf08:57
didrockschanging machine enables to make test suite less machine-dependant :)08:58
didrocksjust 3 remaining issues, all were due to the same logo-thingy08:59
* mvo lols@weboob-qt - there is dating website optimizer in there09:21
ogra_speeding up speed-dating ?09:25
seb128pitti, do you know if there is a blueprint somewhere about the new media size and what images we are aiming at having for q?10:02
pittiseb128: no, I don't think it was discussed at UDS10:03
seb128pitti, not sure if there was a proper UDS session about that10:03
seb128ok10:03
seb128pitti, thanks10:03
pittithis mostly happened at "on the floor" discussions with Rick and Steve, AFAIR10:03
seb128pitti, the floor discussions are biting back :p10:04
seb128i.e no proper record of the plan or anything it seems10:04
pittiseb128: well, Rick already announced it by mail beforehand10:04
pitti"we will reduce our image count to 1"10:04
seb128pitti, right, but there is no proper place to check what is required before i.e we can drop alternate10:05
pittiI think that part (teach ubiquity about LVM etc.) should have a BP10:05
seb128pitti, don't worry, I was just checking there is nothing I didn't find before registering a blueprint10:05
pittiseb128: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-ubiquity-lvm-luks10:06
seb128pitti, thanks10:06
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didrocksmvo: just fixed the crash on linuxmint and other derivatives in software-center (on the oneconf side)11:15
didrockswill spam a little bit less errors.ubuntu.com11:15
didrocksthe tests were the most difficult to write due to potential races :)11:16
didrocksthis could have never worked, which means that elementary, linuxmint, and other derivatives never tested installing anything on a configuration or that they didn't care to get an apport crash at each package installation…11:17
sorendidrocks: "installing on a configuration"? What does that mean?11:28
didrockssoren: I eat some words: "on a configuration different from an ubuntu one"11:29
ogra_hmm, does it really make sense to have mint and frineds on erros.u.c ?11:29
ogra_given that mint suporesses many SRUs and security updates it wouldnt stop reporting, even if a fix was uploaded in ubuntu11:30
seb128ogra_, not sure, it's probably a "how do you filter them out"11:30
seb128ogra_, mint is mostly stock ubuntu with a few of their packages added11:30
ogra_yeah, finding a fiter thats a common denominator between all derivatives might be hard11:31
ogra_seb128, and with things like xorg, compiz, kernel and grub blocked from updates in their hacked update manager11:31
seb128right, well that's not something different on the packages content11:32
ogra_ask mdeslaur, i think he was the one who did an analysis of that bit11:32
seb128not sure if they change their lsb infos, I guess they do11:32
ogra_no, its not, but they wont get fixes we upload11:32
ogra_which means whoopsie will go on collecting issues11:32
seb128well, whoopsie collects the version where it happens11:33
seb128so you can filter out old versions11:33
ogra_ah, yeah11:33
seb128but yeah, we should filter them out, that's just a missing feature11:33
ogra_right11:33
* ogra_ will bring that up in the next foundations meeting11:33
mvodidrocks: very nice, thanks, I have a look in  a bit11:37
mvodidrocks: I assume you submited a MP?11:37
didrocksmvo: sorry, I wasn't clear, I succeed in making that on the OneConf side only, so you don't have to review anything, it was more a FYI :)11:38
mvodidrocks: ah, even better \o/11:39
didrocksalf_: hey, around?11:40
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jbichadupondje: yeah I run gshell half the time, but I don't really use precise and haven't seen that bug11:43
jbichagood morning11:43
mdeslaurseb128: yes, they do change their lsb infos11:49
didrocksogra_: do you have more time now to get some build time on an armel machine?11:54
didrocksogra_: would be nice to be able to fix this compiz issue without me doing 10 uploads11:55
ogra_didrocks, i'm on it12:02
didrocksogra_: thanks :)12:02
dupondjehi jbicha, weird, having it alot last week :(12:35
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dobeyLaney: so basically, you generally never need to vote on your own merge proposals, and only really need to resubmit them if there are very large/differeng changes from the original proposal :)13:04
pittiglatzor: for the install_signature MP, do you want to wait for your python-apt MP to get the AptAuth bits merged?13:04
didrocksmicahg: hey, around?13:05
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Laneydobey: I see, thanks for the education13:39
dobeysure13:40
micahgdidrocks: now I am13:53
ogra_didrocks, still fails :(13:58
seb128cyphermox, hey13:59
seb128cyphermox, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~penguin359/ubuntu/precise/network-manager/fix-for-1005091-precise/+merge/107545 ?13:59
cyphermoxyes, working on it14:00
ogra_didrocks, trying with s/-Werror // now14:00
cyphermoxseb128: I thought I had already commented on it though14:00
seb128cyphermox, you maybe commented on the bug? I was looking at the sponsoring queue and it has the mr14:01
cyphermoxnah, it's because there are multiple merge requests14:01
seb128cyphermox, yeah, just saw that14:01
cyphermoxwtf14:02
cyphermoxseb128: ETOOMANY14:03
seb128hehe14:03
cyphermox;)14:03
glatzorpitti, I don't want to block you. I will merge the changes after the python3 port is done. but in the meantime you could carry the changes as a patch (they don't work with python3 yet)14:03
glatzorpitti, so there isn't any basic objection against your changes.14:04
pittiglatzor: it's not that urgent; not sure when cyphermox wants to start with writing the UI side, but once he does, I can hand him some local branches to run against14:04
pitticyphermox: ^ FYI14:04
glatzorpitti, hopefully I will get the python3 upload ready today or tomorrow14:04
pittiglatzor: cool, thank you!14:04
cyphermoxpitti, glatzor: cool, thanks14:04
Sweetsharkseb128: any news on the 3.5.4 SRU? I applied for MRE in the meantime (no reply yet), but still ...14:05
seb128Sweetshark, slangasek confirmed that the SRU team will not accept it until the TB approve the MRE14:05
desrtgood morning, developers of the ubuntu desktop.  i hope you are all well.14:06
didrocksogra_: still fail, like, more error?14:06
ogra_same error14:06
didrockshow did you fix it? added the virtual?14:06
ogra_i used your patch14:06
didrocksvirtual keyword on the destructor14:06
glatzorpitti, I still see this message in the build log: "g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting". Do you have got any idea what is happening?14:07
didrocksogra_: hum, I didn't send a patch, just the branch with compiz vanilla as I was thinking you were handling the gcc4.7 fixes :)14:07
didrocksogra_: anyway, -Werror will be fine for now14:07
didrocksmicahg: small question on the chromium build: I have no webgl support (no acceleration on the browser), my intel card is pretty descent, any idea?14:07
ogra_didrocks, you gave me a tree that has sed parsing CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS14:07
pittiglatzor: I haven't seen this before, no; I can vaguely remember a pygobject bug about gio being broken for async operations, though14:08
ogra_for gles arches14:08
didrocksogra_: oh right14:08
ogra_thats what i tried building14:08
Sweetsharkseb128: uploading libreoffice_3.4.5+really3.4.4-0ubuntu1 right now, btw ...14:08
ogra_but i think what you drop isnt enough14:08
seb128Sweetshark, ok14:08
didrocksogra_: yeah, seems so14:08
glatzorpitti, I only see those when building on launchpad14:08
pittiglatzor: might be gnome bug 67113914:08
ogra_sadly Werror still shows up everywhere in the flags14:08
ubot2`Gnome bug 671139 in introspection "need (transfer async) for io stream buffers" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67113914:08
micahgdidrocks: not offhand14:09
didrocksmicahg: from the google help, it seems they require mesa 7.9, but it's fine, isn't it?14:09
didrocksmicahg: I had it for a while, but not since last week14:09
micahgit should be14:09
micahgdidrocks: which build are you running?14:10
seb128didrocks, webgl is a configure flag in webkit, not sure if that's the case for chromium as well14:10
ogra_didrocks, it seems like cmake/CompizCommon.cmake has Werror hardcoded14:11
didrocksmicahg: the one we have in quantal14:11
seb128didrocks, we didn't turn it on for the standalone webkit yet14:11
pittiglatzor: does that break the build?14:11
pittiglatzor: we still have a lot of buildds on hardy kernels, some on lucid14:11
didrocksseb128: it's built with it, but I have to use --ignore-gpu-blacklist14:11
glatzormvo, pitti  I think have to admit that I cannot get the test suite of aptdaemon running on the build bot.14:11
pittiglatzor: glib acts up a lot on those old kernels14:11
micahgdidrocks: hrm, maybe there's some bad detection logic there, or the GPU is blacklisted for some other reason14:11
didrocksseb128: I notice, some of my animations for the quickly html template are pretty slow to render :)14:11
glatzorpitti, now the packagekit tests fail again without any changes to them .... https://launchpadlibrarian.net/106846697/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-i386.aptdaemon_0.43%2Bbzr830-0~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:12
didrocksmicahg: who should I talk to?14:12
didrocksogra_: argh, feel free to patch it then :/14:12
ogra_hmpf, k14:12
* micahg would suggest checking for a bug on crbug.com14:12
didrocksok, will have a look then14:13
* ogra_ tries something different14:13
pittiglatzor: so that happens consistently on the buildds, or sometimes on the buildds, and never locally?14:14
glatzorpitti,  the test suits runs without any errors on my local system (in quantal and wheezy). in the build before another test was failing but the once reported to be failed in 830~ppa1 had been successfull.14:15
pittiglatzor: so either a race condition, or it depends on which particular buildd you catch?14:16
glatzorpitti, so I re-uploaded the same source now with an increased version number only to try another buildd14:16
glatzorpitti, I haven't yet looked at the names of the buildds14:16
ogra_didrocks, hacked the cmake file directly for this testbuild, seems with that Werror is gone now, will report back if it survives  the build now14:25
didrocksogra_: excellent, thanks! :)14:25
ogra_well, but thats indeed not the right thing to do for a general upload14:25
ogra_didrocks, ok, survived ... i'm at 53% now (it used to die at 51)14:33
ogra_but i'm not sure how we should hack the file properly without affecting all builds14:34
didrocksogra_: \o/14:35
didrocksogra_: hum, I would say "don't worry for now" as the next version of compiz we will push will have the patch merged14:35
didrocksogra_: so at some point, the real gcc4.7 fixes for the armel part will be neede14:35
didrocksneeded*14:35
ogra_didrocks, well, i need a working binary "yesterday"14:35
ogra_compiz ftbfs makes all arm image builds fail14:36
ogra_which isnt so good for A114:36
ogra_:)14:36
didrocksogra_: indeed, so just push that version14:37
ogra_with the manually hacked cmake ?14:37
ogra_k14:37
didrocksogra_: yep, sounds good to me ;)14:37
ogra_sigh ... though that will be really hard ... the gles patch will fail to apply then since it touches the same file to set the gles options ... i wonder if we shouldnt just disable the gles patch :)14:38
* ogra_ tries that with another testbuild 14:39
didrocksogra_: at this point, just do whatever is best for you :)14:40
didrocks(sorry, in a hangout)14:40
ogra_heh, indeed14:40
didrocksas you told me there is no driver ready yet for armel, the damage seems to be very low :)14:45
ogra_well, we dont care about armel ... but yeah, there is no driver for armhf yet :P14:46
* ogra_ will waer an "armel is dead" T-shirt every day at the next UDS to get that change across :) 14:46
ogra_*wear14:46
ogra_GAH !14:50
ogra_without the gles patch it indeed tries to build crap like cube and dies there14:50
* ogra_ curses, i'm supposed to work on totally different things today, sigh14:51
seb128mvo, hey, do you really need sponsoring for https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/software-properties/fix-policykit-prompt-on-startup/+merge/104655 ? ;-)15:08
mvoseb128: code review I think or did someone do that?15:27
seb128mvo, oh ok, you do code review for those ... it's showing on the sponsoring queue, I was trying to help dholbach with the "there are over 100 items on the queue"15:27
mvoseb128: well, its not required, it just would be nice15:31
seb128mvo, ok, I guess it can stay on the sponsoring queue until that happens ;-)15:32
glatzorpitti, it was really a buildd issue. on mercury all builds fine15:33
glatzoryeah!15:33
pittiglatzor: I blame the hardy kernel then :)15:33
pittigood night everyone!15:33
glatzormvo, pitti, you can now use ppa:aptdaemon-developers/python3 to port your software.15:34
glatzorpitti, good evening martin!15:34
mvoglatzor: awsome, when can I upload?15:35
pittiglatzor: \o/15:42
sgringwejasoncwarner_, ping21:27
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sgringwejasoncwarner_, ping22:32
nsbigWhere do I download the shared library (.so) files for PAM? I tried 'sudo apt-get install pam-modules' and it installs, but pam_access.so is missing.23:24
RAOFnsbig: This isn't a support channel, but pam-modules (at least in Quantal, and I see no reason why this would have changed) is the package which contains pam_access.so.23:29
nsbiglibpam-modules is the package.23:34
RAOFYeah, that one.23:40
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