[14:02] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[14:02]  * barry pongs
[14:02] <Laney> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[14:02]  * stgraber waves
[14:03] <Laney> alright?
[14:03]  * jbicha waves
[14:03]  * Laney wonders where in the world tumbleweed is now
[14:04] <tumbleweed> aha, so I am chairing
[14:04] <tumbleweed> Laney: london!
[14:06] <Laney> joy of joys
[14:06] <tumbleweed> that's 3 so far
[14:06]  * micahg is here :)
[14:06] <tumbleweed> oh 4
[14:06] <tumbleweed> 5 even
[14:07] <micahg> I think bdrung and cody-somerville both said they'd be unavailable, so that's probably as good as we'll get
[14:08] <tumbleweed> sorry, bunch of stuff going on aronud me right now
[14:09] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting
[14:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  4 14:09:03 2012 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:09] <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:10] <tumbleweed> stgraber to give cfalco PPU for btpd and mame
[14:10] <micahg> that's done
[14:10] <tumbleweed> micahg to add cfalco to ubuntu-dev
[14:10] <micahg> done
[14:10] <tumbleweed> micahg to create LP team related to the new packageset
[14:10] <micahg> done
[14:10] <tumbleweed> stgraber to create the packageset and make the new team the uploader of it
[14:10] <micahg> done
[14:10] <tumbleweed> micahg to document the packageset
[14:10] <micahg> not yet
[14:11] <tumbleweed> stgraber to review the freeze process with bencer
[14:11] <stgraber> poked highvoltage about it, not sure of exact status
[14:11] <tumbleweed> micahg to add bencer to zentyal packageset
[14:11] <tumbleweed> tumbleweed to chair the next meeting <- doing
[14:12] <tumbleweed> tumbleweed to fix membership monitoring script <- done
[14:12] <stgraber> bencer has been added to the zentyal packageset
[14:12] <micahg> added to packageset (done)
[14:12] <tumbleweed> cody-somerville and bdrung to vote in early meeting poll
[14:13]  * tumbleweed doesn't have the link for that to hand
[14:13] <Laney> they aren't here, so it probably doesn't matter to much :P
[14:13] <Laney> too
[14:14] <tumbleweed> aha, bt appears only cody-somerville still needs to
[14:14] <tumbleweed> ok, on to applications
[14:15] <tumbleweed> #chair stgraber
[14:15] <meetingology> Current chairs: stgraber tumbleweed
[14:15]  * tumbleweed hands the chari to stgraber while I run down the road to a pub. will pick up from there
[14:15] <stgraber> right, so applications (/me loads the agenda)
[14:16] <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron
[14:16] <tumbleweed> jbicha first, I think
[14:16] <tumbleweed> oh, too late :)
[14:16] <stgraber> negronjl: around?
[14:17]  * stgraber gives negronjl a minute, then will go with jbicha 
[14:18] <stgraber> #topic MOTU Applications - Jeremy Bicha
[14:18] <stgraber> jbicha: around?
[14:18] <jbicha> hi!
[14:19] <stgraber> hey, can you introduce yourself quickly? (I think we all know you, but still ... :))
[14:19] <jbicha> I help package GNOME with the Ubuntu Desktop Team and I maintain ubuntu-docs.
[14:21] <jbicha> I'm applying for MOTU because some GNOME-related stuff is in universe & not really suitable for the desktop-extra packageset
[14:22] <jbicha> MOTU also is nice for getting new stuff into Ubuntu, and for the other interesting universe packages
[14:22] <Laney> hrm, unofficial stuff I guess?
[14:22] <Laney> Nothing you'd need for the new flavour, for example/
[14:22] <jbicha> yes
[14:23] <jbicha> the new GNOME flavor if approved would probably overlap with the desktop-extra set
[14:23] <Laney> I hope we can keep it contained within main + desktop-extra
[14:24] <jbicha> but there will still be universe stuff I'm interested in that won't be in either of those two sets
[14:24] <Laney> sure
[14:24] <micahg> jbicha: how much experience have you had with non-GNOME related packaging
[14:24] <jbicha> what I mean is that I'm not sure we need the desktop-extra set if we have a "gnomebuntu" set
[14:25] <micahg> well, also, if there's a new flavor, there's a new seed metapackage (and desktop-extra might disappear)
[14:26] <Laney> if it comes with a fancy auto generated package set, that is very possible
[14:27] <jbicha> micahg: most of what I've worked on has been GNOME, but I've occasionally worked with other things
[14:28] <jbicha> my first Ubuntu upload was for moodle for instance & I worked with the kabikaboo maintainer to get that into Debian & then Ubuntu
[14:29] <jbicha> kabikaboo is a python app for writing novels and such
[14:30] <jbicha> the GNOME stuff usually uses cdbs but I'm fairly comfortable with dh7 as well
[14:32] <micahg> jbicha: is there any reason why you only have one endorsement?
[14:33] <jbicha> micahg: I didn't do a good job of finding endorsements
[14:34] <jbicha> for universe stuff, it looks like dholbach did most of the sponsoring
[14:34]  * dholbach hugs jbicha :)
[14:35] <dholbach> as long as i can remember I never had to ask jbicha to re-do any of his work
[14:35] <dholbach> it was AFAICR tip top work
[14:36] <Laney> jbicha: Do you think you'll get involved with other stuff MOTU does?
[14:36] <dholbach> and he has had upload rights for desktop related stuff for quite a while
[14:36]  * ScottK feels comfortable with jbicha as MOTU as well.
[14:36] <jbicha> Laney: what other stuff?
[14:36] <Laney> mentoring initiatives, sponsoring and stuff like that
[14:36] <Laney> QA activities especially nearer the release
[14:37]  * tumbleweed returns
[14:37] <jbicha> yes I'd like to sponsor more stuff, getting new contributors included is important
[14:39] <jbicha> I look at the nbs and ftbfs trackers and try to fix things where I can
[14:39] <Laney> the active team is pretty small these days, so people are always needed to pitch in with the leg work
[14:39] <barry> jbicha: what's the best python build helper to use these days?
[14:39] <jbicha> barry: dh_python2 :)
[14:40] <barry> jbicha: good answer :)  from a technical (not process) point of view, how would you convert from say py_support or py_central to dh_py2?
[14:41] <jbicha> I basically follow the checklist at http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2
[14:41] <jbicha> remove pycentral and pysupport from debian/control and fix debian/rules
[14:42] <barry> jbicha: two-for-two :)  from a process point of view, how would you handle cases where the debian package uses pysupport or pycentral, but the ubuntu version wants to use dhpy2?
[14:43] <jbicha> generally I'd try to get the change into Debian first
[14:44] <barry> jbicha: what if the debian maintainer doesn't want to use dhpy2, or doesn't respond after a reasonable amount of time?
[14:46] <jbicha> well python-support and pycentral are deprecated so the Debian maintainer ought to consider switching
[14:47] <jbicha> unless the package is shipped on a CD, I don't think dhpy2 alone is worth having a diff from Debian
[14:47] <micahg> jbicha: do you know how to tell if images are affected by your uploads?  (MOTU can break everything except for Desktop and Kubuntu ATM)
[14:47] <barry> jbicha: you're applying for motu, but do you think main v universe influences that decision?
[14:48] <jbicha> I've just learned to use seeded-in-ubuntu for that
[14:49] <jbicha> barry: yes, I don't think we want pysupport or pycentral in main at all and we would diverge from Debian to make that happen
[14:49] <stgraber> jbicha: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce and reading it at least daily?
[14:49] <barry> jbicha: thanks for your answers
[14:49] <jbicha> stgraber: yes, I'm on too many mailing lists :)
[14:50]  * barry thinks you can never be on too many mailing lists :)
[14:50]  * micahg subscribes barry to lkml
[14:51] <stgraber> jbicha: good. Also, would you be allowed to upload non-critical changes to a seeded package in quantal today?
[14:51] <jbicha> stgraber: it's probably a bad idea since we're trying to get Alpha 1 out the door this week
[14:53] <stgraber> good :)
[14:55] <Laney> vote?
[14:56] <stgraber> sounds good
[14:56] <Laney> go go co-chair
[14:56] <stgraber> #vote MOTU for jbicha
[14:56] <meetingology> Please vote on: MOTU for jbicha
[14:56] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:56] <stgraber> +1
[14:56] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[14:57] <Laney> +1
[14:57] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[14:57] <micahg> +0, would've liked to have seen more endorsements and more non-GNOME related work
[14:57] <meetingology> +0, would've liked to have seen more endorsements and more non-GNOME related work received from micahg
[14:57] <barry> +1
[14:57] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[14:58] <stgraber> waiting a bit longer for tumbleweed to reappear
[14:58] <tumbleweed> +1
[14:58] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[14:59] <stgraber> #endvote
[14:59] <meetingology> Voting ended on: MOTU for jbicha
[14:59] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[14:59] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:00] <Laney> \o
[15:00] <jbicha> thank you!
[15:00] <barry> jbicha: congrats!
[15:01] <stgraber> added to the team
[15:01] <Laney> dholbach: get the publicity out!
[15:01] <tumbleweed> #topic Any other Business?
[15:01] <tumbleweed> negronjl still appears to be missing
[15:01] <dholbach> yeehaw
[15:01] <dholbach> congratulations
[15:01] <tumbleweed> ~rodrigo-moya appears to have expired from ubuntu-dev
[15:01] <xnox> well there isn't much time left anyway =)
[15:02] <tumbleweed> stgraber: can you remove his PPU rights?
[15:02] <tumbleweed> xnox: we have a nasty habit of running over
[15:02]  * Laney warms the fire for xnox next time
[15:02] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yep
[15:02] <tumbleweed> (by an hour or so)
[15:02] <tumbleweed> next chair: stgraber?
[15:02]  * xnox notes down to bring olive oil and herbs for Laney 
[15:03] <Laney> sounds good
[15:03] <stgraber> tumbleweed: sure
[15:03] <tumbleweed> anything else?
[15:03] <barry> xnox: are you cooking for us?  maybe we should make that a requirement for all applicants
[15:04] <xnox> barry: I believe Laney is setting me on fire, during the next meeting....
[15:04] <stgraber> tumbleweed: maybe I'm blind but I'm not seeing any PPU for jbicha, only membership in -desktop and -desktop-extra-dev
[15:04] <tumbleweed> stgraber: rodrigo-moya
[15:04] <stgraber> tumbleweed: ah!
[15:04]  * stgraber should read more than just the hilights
[15:05]  * tumbleweed mailed the list, abou tit
[15:05] <stgraber> tumbleweed: rodrigo is also still in ubuntu-desktop
[15:06] <tumbleweed> right. but he was in ubuntu-dev for PPU, so either we re-instate him into ubuntu-dev or remove the PPU rights
[15:06] <stgraber> ok, removed
[15:06] <stgraber> he just had two, couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb
[15:07] <tumbleweed> great, thanks
[15:07] <tumbleweed> #endmeeting
[15:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  4 15:07:16 2012 UTC.
[15:07] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-04-14.09.moin.txt
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[15:07] <barry> thanks tumbleweed
[15:07] <tumbleweed> thanks stgraber :)
[15:07] <tumbleweed> welcome jbicha
[15:08] <ScottK> congratulations jbicha.
[15:50] <negronjl> apologies for the "no show", I read 19:00 UTC instead of 14:00 UTC ... I'll add myself to the next meeting ... I'll make sure to read the correct time this time around :/
[18:00] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:00] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  4 18:00:52 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:00] <mdeslaur> hello
[18:01] <tyhicks> hello
[18:01] <sbeattie> o/
[18:01] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:01] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[18:02] <jdstrand> ACTION: desktop team requested that our regular mozilla testing happen by a certain date
[18:02] <jjohansen> \o
[18:02] <jdstrand> micahg: can you explain what came of this? ^
[18:02] <jdstrand> s/explain/describe/
[18:03] <micahg> sure, we decided that we will do partial testing on weeks 4 and 5 of the 6 week mozilla cycle (ending up in full coverage) in order to catch any show stoppers before release week
[18:04] <jdstrand> micahg: the sum of the partial testing is such that it is not more than 1 full test run. correct?
[18:04] <micahg> correct
[18:05] <jdstrand> that's great. it is consistent with what we wanted in terms of testing and also gives everyone more confidence all along
[18:05] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:05] <jdstrand> micahg: thanks
[18:05] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:06] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week. I am focussing on updates and embargoed issues
[18:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:07] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[18:07] <mdeslaur> I just finished publishing update-manager
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and am currently working on bind9
[18:07] <mdeslaur> I also have an embargoed issue to continue massive testing
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and have postgresql and mysql updates to publish too
[18:07] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:07] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:08] <sbeattie> I have an embargoed issue on my plate.
[18:08] <sbeattie> I also need to start on the openjdk-6 backport to older releases
[18:09] <sbeattie> I'll try to pick up another update as well.
[18:09] <sbeattie> that's it for me.
[18:09] <sbeattie> micahg: you're up
[18:10] <micahg> Mozilla release week (Firefox/Thunderbird), still working on Chromium, then webkit
[18:10] <mdeslaur> micahg: what's the status with webkit?
[18:11] <micahg> umm...precise is ready, just waiting for me to grab the CVEs associated and upload
[18:13] <micahg> anything else for me?
[18:14] <mdeslaur> who's next? tyhicks?
[18:15] <tyhicks> yep
[18:15] <tyhicks> I'm in the community role this week
[18:15] <tyhicks> Due to my shortened work week last week, I wasn't able to put the 'done' stamp on some of the things I was working on, so I need to put finishing touches on a few things still
[18:16] <tyhicks> The eCryptfs zero-length file patches is one of those things
[18:17] <tyhicks> I'm in the process of reviewing a big eCryptfs patch that cking forward ported which really gives eCryptfs performance a huge boost
[18:17] <tyhicks> He did just an awesome job of performance testing the patch on several different machines so I'm trying to get a quick response back to him
[18:18] <tyhicks> The pidgin update is still pending
[18:18] <tyhicks> and I plan on starting the LUKS work item
[18:18] <tyhicks> that's it
[18:18] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:18] <jjohansen> I have an embargo issue I am working on
[18:18] <jjohansen> I need to wrap up my kernel team base wi so I can mark them done
[18:18] <jjohansen> I will get back to finishing up the userspace policy matching wi
[18:19] <jjohansen> I think that is for /me jdstrand back to you
[18:21] <jdstrand> sbeattie: the last coupel weeks you had apparmor sru listed, but I didn't see it this week. does that mean it is done?
[18:22] <sbeattie> jdstrand: no, I need to work on that, too.
[18:23] <jjohansen> jdstrand: though if we are just pulling in patches, there may not be much to do
[18:24]  * jjohansen should have added he needs to rewrite the apparmor release process notes before he forgets how, after the lp + bzr fun of the 2.8 release
[18:25] <mdeslaur> who's going to push AA 2.8 to quantal?
[18:25] <sbeattie> jjohansen: do you have any more patches for the SRU?
[18:26] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: I can work on it.
[18:26] <jjohansen> sbeattie: no not at this time, I have some regression test additions that aren't quite done etc, but nothing critical
[18:26] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: cool
[18:27] <sbeattie> jjohansen: okay
[18:27] <jjohansen> sbeattie: just stick with 2.8, and we can update with 2.8.1 later
[18:28] <sbeattie> jjohansen: sure
[18:29] <sbeattie> (for the SRU, I'm cherry-picking anyway)
[18:30] <jdstrand> ok, shall we move on?
[18:31] <jjohansen> yes
[18:31] <mdeslaur> yes, thanks
[18:31] <sbeattie> yes
[18:31] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:31] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:32] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:32] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:32] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ziproxy.html
[18:32] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/fusionforge.html
[18:32] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/aria2.html
[18:32] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mosh.html
[18:32] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/torcs.html
[18:32] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:33] <jdstrand> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:33] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:38] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!
[18:38] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  4 18:38:42 2012 UTC.
[18:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-04-18.00.moin.txt
[18:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-04-18.00.html
[18:38] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:39] <sbeattie> thanks jdstrand!
[18:40] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand