[01:52] meeting in 8 minutes :) [01:52] Yay [01:52] * DonkeyHotei is so out of it that he decided to skip sf-lug today [01:52] It is meet that I just finished my meat. [01:53] Oh, for doing a Geeknic, I figure to assume Cali team wants to be part of the next picnic. And bring specifics on sponsors to THEN decide if folks want to do it :) [01:53] * MarkDude figured no need to put it on agenda too soon [01:55] * MarkDude will just bring up next event in announcements [01:59] yay, I made it. [01:59] :) [02:00] hey there jyo [02:00] #startmeeting [02:00] ok, who all is here for our meeting? [02:00] here [02:00] o/ [02:00] * eps waves [02:00] meee [02:00] * j_dulaney is president [02:01] j_dulaney, is a freind from the East Coast [02:01] ok, so we don't really have an agenda this time [02:01] nice! [02:02] anyone have any thoughts for events? announcements? anything to bring up? [02:02] I do [02:02] eps: cool, go for it [02:02] Take a look at this product description: http://www.frys.com/product/7126262 [02:02] ah yes, you dropped me an email about this [02:03] and compare it with the manufacturer's version: [02:03] it does inteed seem to run Ubuntu [02:03] http://www.zotacusa.com/zbox-id41-linux.html [02:03] Fry's isn't very good at product descriptions ;) [02:03] Or maybe they don't it to come up in searches for Ubuntu [02:04] I was going to go to frys this week. Ill take a look at it if it is there [02:04] Frys has really bad descritpions imho [02:04] eps: I've had to look at the manufacturer's website for everything I've bought at Fry's, I wouldn't say it was an intentional oversight [02:04] I think it's just general Fry's bad descriptions [02:05] Should this product be listed here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed [02:05] If it's Ubuntu, that'll make it way better than any Linux stuff I've seen at Fry's before. [02:06] Is it Ubuntu? Have you seen one at Fry's? [02:06] I don't know much about that page (it's community-maintained and anyone can update it) [02:06] I saw it online. You know as much as I do. Supposedly it ships with oneric (not precise). [02:07] but if someone went to Fry's asking for Ubuntu, I'm pretty sure the sales staff wouldn't have a clue that device runs Ubuntu [02:07] Or Linux, even. [02:07] Im gonna look at it this week. I will be at frys and it claims to be available in store [02:08] It'll be interesting to see if these things are actually "in the wild." [02:08] * pleia2 nods [02:08] thanks philipballew :) [02:08] No problem [02:08] and nice find, eps! [02:08] philipballew: if it does, take pictures and blog about it :D [02:08] +1 [02:09] sounds like a good idea. I will do. [02:09] Ill ask the employes to see what they were trained to say as well. [02:09] * pleia2 nods [02:09] They're trained? [02:09] rofl [02:09] now now :) [02:10] I assume their dress code comes with training, yes. [02:10] sell this, and make sure your shirt is cleaned [02:11] MarkDude: did you want to mention the next Geeknic you're looking to plan? [02:11] You bet [02:11] June 23rd [02:11] heather Farms in Walnut Creek [02:12] doh, same day as Ubuntu User Days [02:12] * MarkDude has not created a listing on Geeknic.iorg yet [02:12] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Bay_Area [02:12] can we do it Sunday instead? :) [02:13] +1 [02:13] * MarkDude already has this one locked in- [02:13] ah, ok [02:13] We are already planning a South bay event [02:13] as well as sumthin in July- if Linux Picnic is a nogo [02:13] Will there be a Beefy Miracle present? [02:14] And bacon? [02:14] Stickers [02:14] as well as Ubuntu CDs [02:14] ok, hopefully I can make it to the July one then :) [02:14] and other Ubuntu swag also [02:14] * MarkDude plans on having a vote on FB for dates [02:14] and taking votes on ML also [02:14] Any leftovers can go to BerkeleyLUG. ;-) [02:15] they will be added together [02:15] eps: hehe [02:15] :) [02:15] * MarkDude hopes eps can man a bbq [02:15] operate rather [02:15] I dunno ... my skills might be a bit rusty [02:15] * MarkDude trusts you [02:16] * MarkDude apologizes for the date thing [02:16] Do we have a bbg or does someone need to bring one? [02:16] they have them at the park [02:16] At UDS many people asked me about a bbq and told me the sooner the better [02:16] They do have them there [02:16] You might want to bring a small one for veggies [02:16] We always bring one for the vegetarians [02:17] seems smart [02:17] There will be Tofu Miracles also [02:17] hehe [02:17] As well as smoked peppers and other noms [02:17] tofu would be a beany miracle? [02:17] +1 [02:17] damn you akk- I should have asked you before I started calling it the Tofu miracle ;) [02:18] Thats better [02:18] :) [02:18] lol [02:18] * MarkDude was hoping to have a volunteer to email the list about the next event- as far as planning dates [02:19] It would be early July so as not to interupt OSCON and CLS [02:19] * MarkDude will bug folks on that later. [02:19] Pretty soon we should make plans to go to CLS in Portland [02:19] Carpools FULL of people should go to that [02:20] * MarkDude shuts up now [02:20] :) [02:20] but not too close to 4th of july :) [02:20] True [02:20] makes the poll easier [02:21] Ill be busy with all the fireworks I bought out of state [02:21] Explosions in the sky? [02:21] ah wow, oscon is earlier than I thought [02:21] * philipballew should probably not say that [02:21] theoretically of course philipballew [02:21] ;) [02:21] maybe do it in really *late* july [02:21] For anyone perusing the channel logs, philipballew was just kidding about that. :) [02:21] akk, +1 [02:21] hahah [02:22] lol [02:22] ok, anyone have anything else before philipballew further incriminates himself? :) [02:23] Incriminates or incinerates? [02:23] heh [02:23] touche [02:23] eps+1 [02:23] * j_dulaney wants to light it all off [02:24] the next SF Ubuntu Hour is next week, June 13th [02:24] * pleia2 will add a loco portal event in a bit [02:24] i'll likely be in Sac that day [02:24] Ill be there pleia2 [02:25] philipballew: great :) [02:25] With or without Bay Area Debian? (Last SF one was Apr. 11) [02:25] eps: I'm thinking with, but I'll ask around and then confirm [02:25] Fb link for party https://www.facebook.com/events/300921919994599/ [02:26] Give me Debian, or give me death! [02:26] philipballew: haha, ok, one vote "for" debian dinner too :) [02:27] ok, wrapping this up then, anyone else have anything? [02:28] Great short meeting - yay [02:29] Ill do post meeting stuff this meeting if thats cool [02:29] For non-short meetings, go to Fedora Blocker Bug Meetings [02:29] philipballew: yes, thank you! [02:29] * j_dulaney has sat through seven hour meetings [02:29] thanks for coming everyone :) [02:29] #endmeeting [02:29] j_dulaney: haha, ouch [02:30] Pain [02:30] 7 hours! [02:30] j_dulaney, pleia will file a bug on me- and not allow it to be marked wontfix [02:30] LOL [02:30] Of course, that bug would be unfixable [02:30] She has more skillz than I do [02:30] lots more [02:31] MarkDude: is unfixable, but we love him anyway :) [02:31] +1 [02:31] We're probably most of us unfixable. [02:31] truth [02:33] Perfection is not gotten, but is a good target [02:33] If you see it, shoot at it 'til it's dead? [02:34] sumthin like that [02:34] As they say in Redmond, "Failure is not an option -- it comes bundled with every Microsoft product." [02:35] ha [15:27] who even uses Paypal these days [15:27] >.< === Corey is now known as 45PAANW6S [16:09] bkerensa, actually that is how Daddy Shadowman pays folks back for money they have spent. They will send checks and stuff, but , prefer Paypal. A bit old-timey I know :D [16:10] MarkDude: I just dont like paypal but Linux New Media uses it to pay authors =/ [16:10] lol [16:10] was kind of surprised they asked for paypal versus cutting a check or doing it ach [16:10] Understood [16:11] I guess it was somewhere on the contract I signed that said all my written words belong to them exclusively and wordlwide === 45PAANW6S is now known as Corey [16:39] schestowitz, this NEEDs to be your front page story (if it isn't already) https://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=13366&rss --- [16:39] whoops [16:39] https://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=13366&rss [16:39] boom-ba-da-ching! [17:25] bkerensa: any battery news? [17:25] DonkeyHotei: the guy never texted me back a week ago [17:25] I dont go much time to keep pursuing that [17:26] grrr [17:30] my update manager is so slow.... on all mirrors... :( [17:32] raevol: AWS Mirrors for the win [17:34] philipballew: side note... looks like were not getting comp'ed accts for life or for any long period of time [17:35] philipballew: Canonical stepped in and asked for all devs to get them so that offer from HP at UDS as got reduced to a couple months [17:38] bkerensa: he says _you_ didn't text _him_ back [17:38] i kinda wish that irssi would ping the unity notify-osd [17:39] ping philipballew [17:39] DonkeyHotei: Me: Can you bring it to NE tomorrow and ill buy it? Or perhaps PayPal and ship it to California? 1:58 PM (10 Days Ago) [17:39] I also told him I dont have time to drive out and chase him around for a battery... I wouldnt even do this for someone local [17:40] Him: He could not work out a time to meet me at a time i was driving thru so i said shipping was an option, tho id rather not. [17:41] Yeah he is driving through at night time or always wants me to go out to beaverton [17:41] whats up kdub and bkerensa [17:42] doesn't linus torvalds live in beaverton? [17:42] * bkerensa does not travel to other people unless their is a cash motivation exceeding $500 [17:42] DonkeyHotei: he lives in Lake Oswego [17:44] DonkeyHotei: http://i.imgur.com/rGkm9.png <--- this is what that guy wants [17:45] Her, evidently: I am in beaverton, i drive across portland to get my kids from school eveery day. Portland is huge, your friend has not been available any of the days or times i have been thru [17:48] Everytime he comes is like 5/6pm [17:48] she [17:49] DonkeyHotei: why not ask her to ship it to you? [17:50] the 5/6pm is predictable, and if you're never around at that time, then yeah, that might be better [17:50] but i gotta know [17:51] Whee, election tomorrow. I like how the Voter Information Pamphlet doesn't even mention the statewide propositions. [17:53] woohoo, stickers [17:53] (I only vote so I can get a sticker) [17:53] :) [17:54] DonkeyHotei: Starting at 5pm/6pm to 10pm daily and all day on weekends is spent with my fiancee so if its during those times or when I'm working on a project M-F then its very unlikely I will be able to meet with them in NE and under almost no circumstances am I going out to meet someone in the suburbs it a hour drive [17:55] thanx for letting me know [19:59] ups just brought me my art of community second edition. Noticeably bigger then the first. [20:11] philipballew: you bought a copy? [20:11] bkerensa, no, it is a review I was asked to review it [20:12] Play the Jono drinking game [20:13] For each use of the word Community [20:13] heh [20:13] you wont make the 1st chapter [20:13] Same with in real life- use of words dude, rocks , and rockin' [20:13] philipballew: Jono gives out free copies to everyone who holds a session at CLS too :) [20:14] I assume O'Reilly sent you the copy then :P [20:14] * MarkDude shares overuse of said words too [20:14] bkerensa, yes they did. [20:14] marsee and jon are nice folk ;) [20:14] HElla nice [20:14] I still need to figure out oscon one of these days [20:15] join #ubuntu-ops [20:15] eck [20:15] >.< a total / fail [20:16] #EpicFail [20:41] [Mon 2012-06-04 01:41:01 PM PDT] -ChanServ- Information on #epicfail: [20:41] [Mon 2012-06-04 01:41:01 PM PDT] -ChanServ- Registered : Jul 31 22:49:22 2008 (3 years, 44 weeks, 0 days, 21:51:38 ago) [20:41] [Mon 2012-06-04 01:41:01 PM PDT] -ChanServ- Last used : (about 200 weeks ago) [20:41] philipballew: ^ [20:43] scientes, you have a wiki page for requesting Orielly books? [20:55] DonkeyHotei, I was just saying epic fail in reference to the website [20:56] MarkDude, no [20:58] ok fair enough [20:58] MarkDude, what do you mean? [20:58] * MarkDude is willing to help with request when there are a few book requests posted on wiki [20:59] ahh, url pls [20:59] Its easiest for Oreilly to grant books if there is a public page with list of books [20:59] it makes it easier on their side :) [21:00] Well, it would be better for someone else to create the page (long story on why I am not doing so ) :) [21:01] Once we have the page- we can send the info to leads for Cali- and then go from there. They said they were interested, but had limited time [21:01] If anyone wants a pdf copy of my feature article from Ubuntu User it just hit the site and will be in print at outlets in July ;) http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Magazine/Archive/2012/13/Ubuntu-Developer-Summit-Quantal-Quetzal [21:01] If we make it easier for the leads and the book peoples [21:02] bkerensa, you are not following my master plan [21:02] When you stepped up as Lead- I did not expect you to overtake me in geek street cred so quickly :D [21:03] MarkDude: then you dont want to know where my next article is landing ;) [21:03] I figured it would happen- MarkDude was hoping it would be more like 2013 tho- lol [21:03] Opensource.com? [21:03] peh [21:03] MarkDude: pleia2 is in the article ^ [21:03] * MarkDude welcomes you kickin ass everywhere sir, my silly jokes notwithstanding [21:04] * MarkDude thinks pleia2 should win the Open Source award [21:04] was gonna nominate her if no one else did [21:05] didn't rms win one time? [21:06] * MarkDude thinks pleia2 is cooler than RMS on many levels [21:06] no wait, rms won the linus torvalds award, whatever that is [21:06] Not even counting showering and lack of toejam diet [21:06] * MarkDude is curious as to her stance on buying a parrot for her :D [21:07] does rms have a parrot? [21:07] ^^^ refernce to RMS does not want you to buy him a parrot [21:07] rms eats his feet [21:07] Google it- its awesome [21:07] and thats uncool [21:07] yes bkerensa [21:07] hence the toejam reference [21:08] and how pleia2 does not do so [21:08] haven't you heard? uncool is in now [21:08] * MarkDude leaves toes to DonkeyHotei [21:08] At Scale a while ago- they asked the people in the Weakest Geek to do an impersonation of RMS [21:09] i don't need your toes; i have 10 of my own [21:09] One person said hopw do you impersonate not showering [21:09] Randi the free BSD girl asked for a female volunteer- to be rude to [21:09] toes in the generic sense DonkeyHotei [21:09] she's on weakest geek every damn year [21:10] what generic sense? [21:11] MarkDude, well what wiki should i create the page on? [21:11] She rocks [21:12] * MarkDude ignores you 2nd comment due to Poes Law violationbs [21:12] scientes, it should most likely be under Ubuntu cali namespace [21:12] Or [21:12] Under your namespace [21:12] you mean lauchpad wikis or something? i''ve never used those---come on give me a link [21:13] of any sort [21:13] with the idea it would be moved to Cali space after approved [21:13] Oh sure [21:13] my bad [21:13] i need some idea of what i am doing [21:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Book_requests [21:15] * MarkDude started the page [21:16] If it needs to be moved for any reason it can [21:16] The main idea is that you put some books you want on there [21:16] It being a wiki allows others to add their requests too [21:17] and once people weigh in- it allows the team leads to easily review [21:17] hmm i don't know which one to aask for [21:17] Should keep everyone happy [21:17] Pick at least 3 [21:17] chances are you will get at least one [21:17] The older it is- the easier it is to get [21:18] As in sometimes new books are harder to get. Usually tho- they are easy to get too [21:18] i was thinking about C++ and then i realized that vala is almost cooler in that realm, but very new language [21:21] pick a few [21:21] You may be able to come up with stuff others will like too [21:21] * MarkDude bets on it :) [21:25] I don't allow google cookies, can you tell me if this book has anything on avoiding unaligned memory accesses? http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781593271749.do [21:28] scientes, think of me as a slightly less charming version of Jono [21:28] lol [21:28] Meaning [21:28] * MarkDude is better at Community questions than say the tech stuff ;) [21:48] bkerensa: nice, thanks! [21:48] MarkDude: and thanks for your kind words :) but I do regret getting so detatched from development (only have one package in debian anymore, and it's co-maintained) [21:49] Understood [21:50] You have most likely forgotten more than I currently know :D [21:55] to be fair, I have been at this longer and do systems administration as my day job :) [21:56] Smarter too - shhhh [21:56] For the record, MarkDude think on genral that women are smarter than men [21:56] that's because they are [21:57] they're smart enough not to have to have tech jobs [21:57] we're stuck with those, though [21:58] * DonkeyHotei waits for obligatory poe's law accusations [22:15] * MarkDude has not desire to touch those comments with philipballew 's 10 foot pole [22:16] you brought it up [22:17] Women being smarter is pretty much fact, imho [22:18] agreed [22:18] inferences tho, get a bit dicey, altho yours was very humorous :D [22:18] For the record, it did not violate Poes Law, pretty much everyone hopefully knew you were in jest [22:19] except i wasn't [22:19] * MarkDude runs away [22:19] (flailing and screaming) [22:19] it's an argument that has been made before, but pretty much holds no weight when you actually ask women why they leave compsci [22:20] Smithers; release the hounds.... [22:22] "Unlocking the Clubhouse" is a good book that interviews a lot of women who stay and leave their compsci degrees, and pinpointing where these gaps are: http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=8515 [22:23] Unlocking++ [22:23] great book [22:44] http://www.pixoulphotography.com/2012/05/31/official-uds-q-group-photo-and-personal-photo-set/ [22:45] i don't remember where i was standing, so i can't find myself [22:45] it would help if i could remember what i wore [22:45] but uds is mostly just a blur [22:49] * MarkDude is being 100% sincere in saying this: [22:49] He is glad there were no pics of MarkDude's shirt in plain view [22:50] jcastro came to get people in line- and sorta winked at me [22:50] Like haha, you got the other pics- all that will be seen is you and the penguin hat [22:51] * MarkDude took it as good humor like with the saga of *Jono's Jacket*