[01:52] <pleia2> meeting in 8 minutes :)
[01:52] <MarkDude> Yay
[01:52]  * DonkeyHotei is so out of it that he decided to skip sf-lug today
[01:52] <akk> It is meet that I just finished my meat.
[01:53] <MarkDude> Oh, for doing a Geeknic, I figure to assume Cali team wants to be part of the next picnic. And bring specifics on sponsors to THEN decide if folks want to do it :)
[01:53]  * MarkDude figured no need to put it on agenda too soon
[01:55]  * MarkDude will just bring up next event in announcements
[01:59] <jyo> yay, I made it.
[01:59] <pleia2> :)
[02:00] <MarkDude> hey there jyo
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:00] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for our meeting?
[02:00] <philipballew> here
[02:00] <jyo> o/
[02:00]  * eps waves
[02:00] <akk> meee
[02:00]  * j_dulaney is president
[02:01] <MarkDude> j_dulaney, is a freind from the East Coast
[02:01] <pleia2> ok, so we don't really have an agenda this time
[02:01] <philipballew> nice!
[02:02] <pleia2> anyone have any thoughts for events? announcements? anything to bring up?
[02:02] <eps> I do
[02:02] <pleia2> eps: cool, go for it
[02:02] <eps> Take a look at this product description: http://www.frys.com/product/7126262
[02:02] <pleia2> ah yes, you dropped me an email about this
[02:03] <eps> and compare it with the manufacturer's version:
[02:03] <pleia2> it does inteed seem to run Ubuntu
[02:03] <eps> http://www.zotacusa.com/zbox-id41-linux.html
[02:03] <pleia2> Fry's isn't very good at product descriptions ;)
[02:03] <eps> Or maybe they don't it to come up in searches for Ubuntu
[02:04] <philipballew> I was going to go to frys this week. Ill take a look at it if it is there
[02:04] <MarkDude> Frys has really bad descritpions imho
[02:04] <pleia2> eps: I've had to look at the manufacturer's website for everything I've bought at Fry's, I wouldn't say it was an intentional oversight
[02:04] <pleia2> I think it's just general Fry's bad descriptions
[02:05] <eps> Should this product be listed here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed
[02:05] <akk> If it's Ubuntu, that'll make it way better than any Linux stuff I've seen at Fry's before.
[02:06] <akk> Is it Ubuntu? Have you seen one at Fry's?
[02:06] <pleia2> I don't know much about that page (it's community-maintained and anyone can update it)
[02:06] <eps> I saw it online. You know as much as I do. Supposedly it ships with oneric (not precise).
[02:07] <pleia2> but if someone went to Fry's asking for Ubuntu, I'm pretty sure the sales staff wouldn't have a clue that device runs Ubuntu
[02:07] <akk> Or Linux, even.
[02:07] <philipballew> Im gonna look at it this week. I will be at frys and it claims to be available in store
[02:08] <eps> It'll be interesting to see if these things are actually "in the wild."
[02:08]  * pleia2 nods
[02:08] <pleia2> thanks philipballew :)
[02:08] <philipballew> No problem
[02:08] <pleia2> and nice find, eps!
[02:08] <pleia2> philipballew: if it does, take pictures and blog about it :D
[02:08] <MarkDude> +1
[02:09] <philipballew> sounds like a good idea. I will do.
[02:09] <philipballew> Ill ask the employes to see what they were trained to say as well.
[02:09]  * pleia2 nods
[02:09] <akk> They're trained?
[02:09] <MarkDude> rofl
[02:09] <pleia2> now now :)
[02:10] <jyo> I assume their dress code comes with training, yes.
[02:10] <MarkDude> sell this, and make sure your shirt is cleaned
[02:11] <pleia2> MarkDude: did you want to mention the next Geeknic you're looking to plan?
[02:11] <MarkDude> You bet
[02:11] <MarkDude> June 23rd
[02:11] <MarkDude> heather Farms in Walnut Creek
[02:12] <pleia2> doh, same day as Ubuntu User Days
[02:12]  * MarkDude has not created a listing on Geeknic.iorg yet
[02:12] <MarkDude> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Bay_Area
[02:12] <pleia2> can we do it Sunday instead? :)
[02:13] <philipballew> +1
[02:13]  * MarkDude already has this one locked in- 
[02:13] <pleia2> ah, ok
[02:13] <MarkDude> We are already planning a South bay event
[02:13] <MarkDude> as well as sumthin in July- if Linux Picnic is a nogo
[02:13] <j_dulaney> Will there be a Beefy Miracle present?
[02:14] <j_dulaney> And bacon?
[02:14] <MarkDude> Stickers
[02:14] <MarkDude> as well as Ubuntu CDs
[02:14] <pleia2> ok, hopefully I can make it to the July one then :)
[02:14] <MarkDude> and other Ubuntu swag also
[02:14]  * MarkDude plans on having a vote on FB for dates
[02:14] <MarkDude> and taking votes on ML also
[02:14] <eps> Any leftovers can go to BerkeleyLUG. ;-)
[02:15] <MarkDude> they will be added together
[02:15] <pleia2> eps: hehe
[02:15] <MarkDude> :)
[02:15]  * MarkDude hopes eps can man a bbq
[02:15] <MarkDude> operate rather
[02:15] <eps> I dunno ... my skills might be a bit rusty
[02:15]  * MarkDude trusts you
[02:16]  * MarkDude apologizes for the date thing
[02:16] <philipballew> Do we have a bbg or does someone need to bring one?
[02:16] <pleia2> they have them at the park
[02:16] <MarkDude> At UDS many people asked me about a bbq and told me the sooner the better
[02:16] <MarkDude> They do have them there
[02:16] <eps> You might want to bring a small one for veggies
[02:16] <MarkDude> We always bring one for the vegetarians
[02:17] <philipballew> seems smart
[02:17] <MarkDude> There will be Tofu Miracles also
[02:17] <pleia2> hehe
[02:17] <MarkDude> As well as smoked peppers and other noms
[02:17] <akk> tofu would be a beany miracle?
[02:17] <philipballew> +1
[02:17] <MarkDude> damn you akk- I should have asked you before I started calling it the Tofu miracle ;)
[02:18] <MarkDude> Thats better
[02:18] <akk> :)
[02:18] <pleia2> lol
[02:18]  * MarkDude was hoping to have a volunteer to email the list about the next event- as far as planning dates
[02:19] <MarkDude> It would be early July so as not to interupt OSCON and CLS
[02:19]  * MarkDude will bug folks on that later.
[02:19] <MarkDude> Pretty soon we should make plans to go to CLS in Portland
[02:19] <MarkDude> Carpools FULL of people should go to that
[02:20]  * MarkDude shuts up now 
[02:20] <MarkDude> :)
[02:20] <pleia2> but not too close to 4th of july :)
[02:20] <MarkDude> True
[02:20] <MarkDude> makes the poll easier
[02:21] <philipballew> Ill be busy with all the fireworks I bought out of state
[02:21] <j_dulaney> Explosions in the sky?
[02:21] <pleia2> ah wow, oscon is earlier than I thought
[02:21]  * philipballew should probably not say that
[02:21] <MarkDude> theoretically of course philipballew
[02:21] <MarkDude> ;)
[02:21] <pleia2> maybe do it in really *late* july
[02:21] <akk> For anyone perusing the channel logs, philipballew was just kidding about that. :)
[02:21] <MarkDude> akk, +1
[02:21] <pleia2> hahah
[02:22] <philipballew> lol
[02:22] <pleia2> ok, anyone have anything else before philipballew further incriminates himself? :)
[02:23] <eps> Incriminates or incinerates?
[02:23] <akk> heh
[02:23] <pleia2> touche
[02:23] <MarkDude> eps+1
[02:23]  * j_dulaney wants to light it all off
[02:24] <pleia2> the next SF Ubuntu Hour is next week, June 13th
[02:24]  * pleia2 will add a loco portal event in a bit
[02:24] <DonkeyHotei> i'll likely be in Sac that day
[02:24] <philipballew> Ill be there pleia2
[02:25] <pleia2> philipballew: great :)
[02:25] <eps> With or without Bay Area Debian? (Last SF one was Apr. 11)
[02:25] <pleia2> eps: I'm thinking with, but I'll ask around and then confirm
[02:25] <MarkDude> Fb link for party https://www.facebook.com/events/300921919994599/
[02:26] <philipballew> Give me Debian, or give me death!
[02:26] <pleia2> philipballew: haha, ok, one vote "for" debian dinner too :)
[02:27] <pleia2> ok, wrapping this up then, anyone else have anything?
[02:28] <MarkDude> Great short meeting - yay
[02:29] <philipballew> Ill do post meeting stuff this meeting if thats cool
[02:29] <j_dulaney> For non-short meetings, go to Fedora Blocker Bug Meetings
[02:29] <pleia2> philipballew: yes, thank you!
[02:29]  * j_dulaney has sat through seven hour meetings
[02:29] <pleia2> thanks for coming everyone :)
[02:29] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:29] <pleia2> j_dulaney: haha, ouch
[02:30] <j_dulaney> Pain
[02:30] <akk> 7 hours!
[02:30] <MarkDude> j_dulaney,  pleia will file a bug on me- and not allow it to be marked wontfix
[02:30] <j_dulaney> LOL
[02:30] <j_dulaney> Of course, that bug would be unfixable
[02:30] <MarkDude> She has more skillz than I do
[02:30] <MarkDude> lots more
[02:31] <pleia2> MarkDude: is unfixable, but we love him anyway :)
[02:31] <MarkDude> +1
[02:31] <akk> We're probably most of us unfixable.
[02:31] <pleia2> truth
[02:33] <MarkDude> Perfection is not gotten, but is a good target
[02:33] <eps> If you see it, shoot at it 'til it's dead?
[02:34] <MarkDude> sumthin like that
[02:34] <eps> As they say in Redmond, "Failure is not an option -- it comes bundled with every Microsoft product."
[02:35] <akk> ha
[15:27] <bkerensa> who even uses Paypal these days
[15:27] <bkerensa> >.<
[16:09] <MarkDude> bkerensa, actually that is how Daddy Shadowman pays folks back for money they have spent. They will send checks and stuff, but , prefer Paypal. A bit old-timey I know :D
[16:10] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I just dont like paypal but Linux New Media uses it to pay authors =/
[16:10] <MarkDude> lol
[16:10] <bkerensa> was kind of surprised they asked for paypal versus cutting a check or doing it ach
[16:10] <MarkDude> Understood
[16:11] <bkerensa> I guess it was somewhere on the contract I signed that said all my written words belong to them exclusively and wordlwide
 schestowitz, this NEEDs to be your front page story (if it isn't already) https://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=13366&rss ---
[16:39] <scientes> whoops
[16:39] <scientes> https://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=13366&rss
[16:39] <scientes> boom-ba-da-ching!
[17:25] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: any battery news?
[17:25] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: the guy never texted me back a week ago
[17:25] <bkerensa> I dont go much time to keep pursuing that
[17:26] <DonkeyHotei> grrr
[17:30] <raevol> my update manager is so slow.... on all mirrors... :(
[17:32] <bkerensa> raevol: AWS Mirrors for the win
[17:34] <bkerensa> philipballew: side note... looks like were not getting comp'ed accts for life or for any long period of time
[17:35] <bkerensa> philipballew: Canonical stepped in and asked for all devs to get them so that offer from HP at UDS as got reduced to a couple months
[17:38] <DonkeyHotei> bkerensa: he says _you_ didn't text _him_ back
[17:38] <kdub> i kinda wish that irssi would ping the unity notify-osd
[17:39] <kdub> ping philipballew
[17:39] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: Me: Can you bring it to NE tomorrow and ill buy it? Or perhaps PayPal and ship it to California? 1:58 PM (10 Days Ago)
[17:39] <bkerensa> I also told him I dont have time to drive out and chase him around for a battery... I wouldnt even do this for someone local
[17:40] <DonkeyHotei> Him: He could not work out a time to meet me at a time i was driving thru so i said shipping was an option, tho id rather not.
[17:41] <bkerensa> Yeah he is driving through at night time or always wants me to go out to beaverton
[17:41] <philipballew> whats up kdub and bkerensa
[17:42] <DonkeyHotei> doesn't linus torvalds live in beaverton?
[17:42]  * bkerensa does not travel to other people unless their is a cash motivation exceeding $500 
[17:42] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: he lives in Lake Oswego
[17:44] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: http://i.imgur.com/rGkm9.png <--- this is what that guy wants
[17:45] <DonkeyHotei> Her, evidently: I am in beaverton, i drive across portland to get my kids from school eveery day. Portland is huge, your friend has not been available any of the days or times i have been thru
[17:48] <bkerensa> Everytime he comes is like 5/6pm
[17:48] <DonkeyHotei> she
[17:49] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: why not ask her to ship it to you?
[17:50] <DonkeyHotei> the 5/6pm is predictable, and if you're never around at that time, then yeah, that might be better
[17:50] <DonkeyHotei> but i gotta know
[17:51] <akk> Whee, election tomorrow. I like how the Voter Information Pamphlet doesn't even mention the statewide propositions.
[17:53] <pleia2> woohoo, stickers
[17:53] <pleia2> (I only vote so I can get a sticker)
[17:53] <akk> :)
[17:54] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: Starting at 5pm/6pm to 10pm daily and all day on weekends is spent with my fiancee so if its during those times or when I'm working on a project M-F then its very unlikely I will be able to meet with them in NE and under almost no circumstances am I going out to meet someone in the suburbs it a hour drive
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> thanx for letting me know
[19:59] <philipballew> ups just brought me my art of community second edition. Noticeably bigger then the first.
[20:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: you bought a copy?
[20:11] <philipballew> bkerensa, no, it is a review I was asked to review it
[20:12] <MarkDude> Play the Jono drinking game
[20:13] <MarkDude> For each use of the word Community
[20:13] <bkerensa> heh
[20:13] <MarkDude> you wont make the 1st chapter
[20:13] <MarkDude> Same with in real life- use of words dude, rocks , and rockin'
[20:13] <bkerensa> philipballew: Jono gives out free copies to everyone who holds a session at CLS too :)
[20:14] <bkerensa> I assume O'Reilly sent you the copy then :P
[20:14]  * MarkDude shares overuse of said words too
[20:14] <philipballew> bkerensa, yes they did.
[20:14] <bkerensa> marsee and jon are nice folk ;)
[20:14] <MarkDude> HElla nice
[20:14] <philipballew> I still need to figure out oscon one of these days
[20:15] <bkerensa> join #ubuntu-ops
[20:15] <bkerensa> eck
[20:15] <bkerensa> >.<  a total / fail
[20:16] <philipballew> #EpicFail
[20:41] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2012-06-04 01:41:01 PM PDT] -ChanServ- Information on #epicfail:
[20:41] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2012-06-04 01:41:01 PM PDT] -ChanServ- Registered : Jul 31 22:49:22 2008 (3 years, 44 weeks, 0 days, 21:51:38 ago)
[20:41] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2012-06-04 01:41:01 PM PDT] -ChanServ- Last used  : (about 200 weeks ago)
[20:41] <DonkeyHotei> philipballew: ^
[20:43] <MarkDude> scientes, you have a wiki page for requesting Orielly books?
[20:55] <philipballew> DonkeyHotei, I was just saying epic fail in reference to the website
[20:56] <scientes> MarkDude, no
[20:58] <MarkDude> ok fair enough
[20:58] <scientes> MarkDude, what do you mean?
[20:58]  * MarkDude is willing to help with request when there are a few book requests posted on wiki 
[20:59] <scientes> ahh, url pls
[20:59] <MarkDude> Its easiest for Oreilly to grant books if there is a public page with list of books
[20:59] <MarkDude> it makes it easier on their side :)
[21:00] <MarkDude> Well, it would be better for someone else to create the page (long story on why I am not doing so ) :)
[21:01] <MarkDude> Once we have the page- we can send the info to leads for Cali- and then go from there. They said they were interested, but had limited time
[21:01] <bkerensa> If anyone wants a pdf copy of my feature article from Ubuntu User it just hit the site and will be in print at outlets in July ;) http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Magazine/Archive/2012/13/Ubuntu-Developer-Summit-Quantal-Quetzal
[21:01] <MarkDude> If we make it easier for the leads and the book peoples
[21:02] <MarkDude> bkerensa, you are not following my master plan
[21:02] <MarkDude> When you stepped up as Lead- I did not expect you to overtake me in geek street cred so quickly :D
[21:03] <bkerensa> MarkDude: then you dont want to know where my next article is landing ;)
[21:03] <MarkDude> I figured it would happen- MarkDude was hoping it would be more like 2013 tho- lol
[21:03] <MarkDude> Opensource.com?
[21:03] <bkerensa> peh
[21:03] <bkerensa> MarkDude: pleia2 is in the article ^
[21:03]  * MarkDude welcomes you kickin ass everywhere sir, my silly jokes notwithstanding
[21:04]  * MarkDude thinks pleia2 should win the Open Source award
[21:04] <MarkDude> was gonna nominate her if no one else did
[21:05] <DonkeyHotei> didn't rms win one time?
[21:06]  * MarkDude thinks pleia2 is cooler than RMS on many levels
[21:06] <DonkeyHotei> no wait, rms won the linus torvalds award, whatever that is
[21:06] <MarkDude> Not even counting showering and lack of toejam diet
[21:06]  * MarkDude is curious as to her stance on buying a parrot for her :D
[21:07] <DonkeyHotei> does rms have a parrot?
[21:07] <MarkDude> ^^^ refernce to RMS does not want you to buy him a parrot
[21:07] <bkerensa> rms eats his feet
[21:07] <MarkDude> Google it- its awesome
[21:07] <bkerensa> and thats uncool
[21:07] <MarkDude> yes bkerensa
[21:07] <MarkDude> hence the toejam reference
[21:08] <MarkDude> and how pleia2 does not do so
[21:08] <DonkeyHotei> haven't you heard? uncool is in now
[21:08]  * MarkDude leaves toes to DonkeyHotei 
[21:08] <MarkDude> At Scale a while ago- they asked the people in the Weakest Geek to do an impersonation of RMS
[21:09] <DonkeyHotei> i don't need your toes; i have 10 of my own
[21:09] <MarkDude> One person said hopw do you impersonate not showering
[21:09] <MarkDude> Randi the free BSD girl asked for a female volunteer- to be rude to
[21:09] <MarkDude> toes in the generic sense DonkeyHotei
[21:09] <DonkeyHotei> she's on weakest geek every damn year
[21:10] <DonkeyHotei> what generic sense?
[21:11] <scientes> MarkDude, well what wiki should i create the page on?
[21:11] <MarkDude> She rocks
[21:12]  * MarkDude ignores you 2nd comment due to Poes Law violationbs
[21:12] <MarkDude> scientes, it should most likely be under Ubuntu cali namespace
[21:12] <MarkDude> Or
[21:12] <MarkDude> Under your namespace
[21:12] <scientes> you mean lauchpad wikis or something? i''ve never used those---come on give me a link
[21:13] <scientes> of any sort
[21:13] <MarkDude> with the idea it would be moved to Cali space after approved
[21:13] <MarkDude> Oh sure
[21:13] <MarkDude> my bad
[21:13] <scientes> i need some idea of what i am doing
[21:15] <MarkDude> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Book_requests
[21:15]  * MarkDude started the page
[21:16] <MarkDude> If it needs to be moved for any reason it can
[21:16] <MarkDude> The main idea is that you put some books you want on there
[21:16] <MarkDude> It being a wiki allows others to add their requests too
[21:17] <MarkDude> and once people weigh in- it allows the team leads to easily review
[21:17] <scientes> hmm i don't know which one to aask for
[21:17] <MarkDude> Should keep everyone happy
[21:17] <MarkDude> Pick at least 3
[21:17] <MarkDude> chances are you will get at least one
[21:17] <MarkDude> The older it is- the easier it is to get
[21:18] <MarkDude> As in sometimes new books are harder to get. Usually tho- they are easy to get too
[21:18] <scientes> i was thinking about C++ and then i realized that vala is almost cooler in that realm, but very new language
[21:21] <MarkDude> pick a few
[21:21] <MarkDude> You may be able to come up with stuff others will like too
[21:21]  * MarkDude bets on it :)
[21:25] <scientes> I don't allow google cookies, can you tell me if this book has anything on avoiding unaligned memory accesses? http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781593271749.do
[21:28] <MarkDude> scientes, think of me as a slightly less charming version of Jono
[21:28] <scientes> lol
[21:28] <MarkDude> Meaning
[21:28]  * MarkDude is better at Community questions than say the tech stuff ;)
[21:48] <pleia2> bkerensa: nice, thanks!
[21:48] <pleia2> MarkDude: and thanks for your kind words :) but I do regret getting so detatched from development (only have one package in debian anymore, and it's co-maintained)
[21:49] <MarkDude> Understood
[21:50] <MarkDude> You have most likely forgotten more than I currently know :D
[21:55] <pleia2> to be fair, I have been at this longer and do systems administration as my day job :)
[21:56] <MarkDude> Smarter too - shhhh
[21:56] <MarkDude> For the record, MarkDude think on genral that women are smarter than men
[21:56] <DonkeyHotei> that's because they are
[21:57] <DonkeyHotei> they're smart enough not to have to have tech jobs
[21:57] <DonkeyHotei> we're stuck with those, though
[21:58]  * DonkeyHotei waits for obligatory poe's law accusations
[22:15]  * MarkDude has not desire to touch those comments with philipballew 's 10 foot pole
[22:16] <DonkeyHotei> you brought it up
[22:17] <MarkDude> Women being smarter is pretty much fact, imho
[22:18] <DonkeyHotei> agreed
[22:18] <MarkDude> inferences tho, get a bit dicey, altho yours was very humorous :D
[22:18] <MarkDude> For the record, it did not violate Poes Law, pretty much everyone hopefully knew you were in jest
[22:19] <DonkeyHotei> except i wasn't
[22:19]  * MarkDude runs away
[22:19] <MarkDude> (flailing and screaming)
[22:19] <pleia2> it's an argument that has been made before, but pretty much holds no weight when you actually ask women why they leave compsci
[22:20] <MarkDude> Smithers; release the hounds....
[22:22] <pleia2> "Unlocking the Clubhouse" is a good book that interviews a lot of women who stay and leave their compsci degrees, and pinpointing where these gaps are: http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=8515
[22:23] <akk> Unlocking++
[22:23] <akk> great book
[22:44] <DonkeyHotei> http://www.pixoulphotography.com/2012/05/31/official-uds-q-group-photo-and-personal-photo-set/
[22:45] <DonkeyHotei> i don't remember where i was standing, so i can't find myself
[22:45] <DonkeyHotei> it would help if i could remember what i wore
[22:45] <DonkeyHotei> but uds is mostly just a blur
[22:49]  * MarkDude is being 100% sincere in saying this:
[22:49] <MarkDude> He is glad there were no pics of MarkDude's shirt in plain view
[22:50] <MarkDude> jcastro came to get people in line- and sorta winked at me
[22:50] <MarkDude> Like haha, you got the other pics- all that will be seen is you and the penguin hat
[22:51]  * MarkDude took it as good humor like with the saga of *Jono's Jacket*