[11:43] <darlanphb> bom dia!
[13:38] <deepspeed> I'm running 12.04 on my laptop, and can't get more than one track to record in ardour.
[13:39] <holstein> deepspeed: hey
[13:40] <deepspeed> the first one records great.  I know how to port stuff in jack.  It was working fine at one point, but now any tracks added after the first show no level and record no sound, even though I can port the sound from the effects software through the monitor line and have live playback.
[13:40] <deepspeed> hey
[13:40] <holstein> deepspeed: you know how to "port" ?
[13:40] <holstein> you are overdubbing?
[13:40] <holstein> the way i overdub...
[13:40] <deepspeed> I mean how to connect stuff with jack.
[13:40] <deepspeed> I call it porting.. whatever.
[13:40] <holstein> i make one track, then i reroute the same input to a different track
[13:41] <holstein> i would just doublecheck the routing.. its likely that simple
[13:41] <deepspeed> yea, but I can't route anything to any subsequential tracks added after the first.
[13:41] <holstein> deepspeed: well, route *everything* as a test
[13:41] <deepspeed> I've been trying this off and on for a week.  I know it's not hte routing.
[13:41] <deepspeed> I've done it in every way it can be done.
[13:41] <holstein> deepspeed: also, try #ardour
[13:42] <holstein> or, #opensourcmusicians
[13:42] <holstein> if you think its something in the ardour config, you can try renaming the config file, or try temporarily as a new user
[13:42] <holstein> when you make the new track in ardour, make certain you are creating an audio track (if you want an audio track)
[13:43] <deepspeed> oh, sweet.  thanks.  I only have my main account and root, but I'll try as a different user and see if that helps.
[13:43] <holstein> make sure it is mono or stereo as desired
[13:43] <deepspeed> and yes, I've tried mono and stereo audio tracks.
[13:43] <holstein> what i would do.. i would make 4 tracks... route the input to them, and track them
[13:43] <deepspeed> Either works as the initial track, but neither work for 2 or up.
[13:43] <holstein> they should all take the signal
[13:43] <holstein> deepspeed: right... im just saying, im quite certain this is a routing issue
[13:44] <deepspeed> They don't take any signal.  I've tried routing the output from the main track through jamin and back into a second track.. nothing.  Also tried it without Jamin.
[13:44] <holstein> deepspeed: take jamin and *all* other add-ons out of the equation
[13:44] <holstein> deepspeed: remove variables
[13:45] <holstein> literally do *exactly* as i suggest
[13:45] <deepspeed> yea, did that and routed it straight.  Still no signal.
[13:45] <holstein> open 4 tracks in ardour
[13:45] <deepspeed> but not with 4 tracks.
[13:45] <holstein> straight into the 4 tracks with the *same* output
[13:45] <deepspeed> so route track one into 2, 3, and 4 all at once?
[13:45] <holstein> those 4 tracks *should* record identical signal simultaneously
[13:46] <holstein> thus showing you that tracks 2+ *can* track
[13:46] <holstein> deepspeed: no
[13:46] <holstein> deepspeed: route to all four
[13:46] <holstein> with the same analog input that i am assuming you are recording
[13:46] <deepspeed> oh, so record some live input to all 4 at once.. gotcha.
[13:47] <holstein> deepspeed: you can also take your sound card out of the equation by routing something like audacious playing an audio file to 4 tracks
[13:48] <deepspeed> I'll try that next time I'm at the pc and see if it works, but I've tried adding multiple tracks and routing to them one at a time after I had the inital track recorded, and couldn't get any of them to pick up signal, regardless of how many times I deleted/added tracks.
[13:48] <deepspeed> I think I may have a problem with my sound card, too.
[13:49] <holstein> deepspeed: when you are at the machine, and want to sort it out, let me know
[13:49] <deepspeed> It is possible to blow them out with over-powerful input, right?
[13:49] <holstein> its routing... im about 99% sure of it
[13:49] <holstein> deepspeed: those are "software" inputs though
[13:49] <holstein> if you blew your hardware, it just wouldnt work at all
[13:49] <holstein> not selectively
[13:50] <deepspeed> Yea, but I mean, the last time I recorded, I had a really hard time getting good cleans out of it and got lots of digital distortion regardless of how I tweaked my amp.
[13:50] <deepspeed> I thought maybe somebody screwed it up by plugging something into it while it was cranked up.
[13:50] <holstein> if its an internal soundcard, you should be happy with what you got
[13:50] <deepspeed> It sounded kinda like a busted speaker, but digital.
[13:50] <holstein> thoe are not designed to take input for anything other than like skype
[13:50] <holstein> those*
[13:51] <deepspeed> Yea, I really need to get a better recording setup, but I was getting some great tones and effects with just this until recently.
[13:51] <holstein> tones and effect?
[13:51] <holstein> not sure what you ean
[13:51] <holstein> mean*
[13:52] <holstein> tones = samples?
[13:52] <deepspeed> I had good rates of success recording vocals, guitar, and drums with just a basic internal soundcard and effects processing/recordign software.
[13:52] <holstein> im not saying you cant do it, im just saying its not intended for that
[13:52] <deepspeed> I mean good clarity of sound, tone, timbre, and such from the effects processors, and the signal stays surprisingly clean when everything's dialed in right.
[13:53] <holstein> its like saying you can use a desktop for a server
[13:53] <holstein> you can, and have no issues.. unless you do
[13:53] <holstein> its just not made for that.. of course it'll take an audio signal and record it
[13:54] <holstein> its a tiny little device though, that no one has intended you to record with
[13:54] <deepspeed> What does a good quality sound card for recording cost, anyway?
[13:54] <holstein> im not selling hardware, im just saying.. you go to a pro studio and pay $100+/hour, and you want to emulate that on gear that is literally 50 cents
[13:55] <holstein> deepspeed: depends on your needs, and if you are willing to shop around
[13:55] <holstein> ive gotten quite a few decent USB devices for free
[13:55] <holstein> i have a presonus firepod i got new for under $500
[13:55] <deepspeed> Well, I mean ball-park for medium quality stuff.  Nothing that's gonna break next week, but nothing that's gonna be half a mil, either.
[13:55] <holstein> folks in #opensourcemusician can suggest nice gear in different price ranges
[13:55] <holstein> deepspeed: it depends on your needs
[13:56] <holstein> do you need preamps?
[13:56] <holstein> how many channels do you need
[13:56] <holstein> these are the questions you need to ask
[13:56] <holstein> then, get the most bang for the buck
[13:56] <deepspeed> well, I need to record vocals, drums, and guitar live at some points, so I'd need about 10 channels if possible.
[13:56] <holstein> deepspeed: anything is "possible"
[13:56] <deepspeed> But I have a mixer that i can use to mix the sound live and send it to a single input for recordign.
[13:56] <deepspeed> recording.. stupid fingers...
[13:57] <holstein> deepspeed: does it have 10 outputs?
[13:57] <holstein> does it have sends per preamp?
[13:57] <holstein> is it going to introduce more noise than its worth?
[13:57] <deepspeed> No, but it has 7 inputs, and I can route them to a single output for recording.
[13:57] <holstein> the presonus firepos can be found cheap used now, and has 8 preamps
[13:57] <holstein> firepod*
[13:57] <deepspeed> but it has a built-in 750-watt amp meant for pushing speakers.
[13:58] <holstein> deepspeed: sure.. and thats not what you need either
[13:58] <holstein> deepspeed: you need quite, nice preamps
[13:58] <holstein> and thats made for a small room PA
[13:58] <deepspeed> Yea, it was too quiet for the small church that gave it to me.
[13:59] <holstein> deepspeed: if you get a chance, tour a studio
[13:59] <holstein> your local studio.. see what they have and emulate as best you can
[13:59] <holstein> there is no prefessional studio using an internal sound card, nor a powered mixer
[13:59] <holstein> and you need to ask yourself why, and if you are comfortable working around these items
[13:59] <holstein> or, just how many tracks you need
[14:00] <deepspeed> Our local studios are crap, except the one run by those weird christian people who always make me feel like they're gonna lead me into the basement and chain me up and feed me to a monster or something..
[14:00] <holstein> im not saying join a cult.. im saying look at gear, and ask questions
[14:00] <holstein> OR, just /j #opensourcemsucians
[14:00] <deepspeed> lol, yea, but I mean we don't have much in the way of professional stuff around here.
[14:01] <holstein> the interface im shopping for is not something you are going to be interested in
[14:01] <deepspeed> Just a bunch of country folks like me who have collections of random stuff we've picked up over the years.
[14:01] <holstein> you can tour places online... virtual tours.. see about the gear
[14:02] <deepspeed> Yea, I need to learn more about that kinda stuff.
[14:03] <deepspeed> I've been running PA's and mixers and acting as a sound-man at backyard jams since I was about 5, but I've never done much more than just balancing the sound as best I could.
[14:07] <deepspeed> People used to get me to set sound when I was a kid, and I could stand at the mixer for a few seconds listening, make a quick run around the band-stand twisting knobs on guitars and amps, and then come and level things back out, and have the sound 5x better.
[14:08] <deepspeed> everyone else prett much turned all the knobs to 100% except the level, and called it good, so they thought I was amazing.
[14:11] <holstein> i bet you are
[14:12] <deepspeed> lol, nah, I'm ok, I guess.
[14:12] <deepspeed> I just love music.  I've migrated more to playing now that I'm grown.  I play guitar and drums, and I'm doing more and more singing lately.
[14:13] <deepspeed> but I'm no hendrix
[14:25] <mighty_aboba> Hi
[14:25] <mighty_aboba> I want to ask one question
[14:26] <holstein> !ask | mighty_aboba
[14:26] <holstein> mighty_aboba: not that it matters much in here, since its low traffic :)
[14:26] <mighty_aboba> okey :D
[14:27] <mighty_aboba> is it good to use -S option with jack?
[14:27] <holstein> good?
[14:27] <mighty_aboba> Does anybody use it?
[14:27] <holstein> good is a matter of opition... do you need that flag? i use the GUI, and im not sure what the -S flag does
[14:27] <holstein> if you need it, you need it.. i would ask in #opensourcemusicians
[14:28] <mighty_aboba> I use gui too, but in settings
[14:28] <mighty_aboba> /usr/bin/jackd -S
[14:29] <holstein> mighty_aboba: doesnt matter where/how you set it.. if you need it, you need it.. "good" is a matter of opinion..
[14:31] <holstein> "note: its a good idea to put "jackd -S" instead of just "jackd" for the server path. Running JACK in synchronous mode creates less Xruns in JACK2, which is now the default."
[14:31] <holstein> that is from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration
[14:32] <mighty_aboba> wow, thanx. I will read it
[14:37] <mighty_aboba> I wrote about KB shortcuts for qjackctl to the Rui Nuno Capela's website
[14:37] <mighty_aboba> will wait
[16:40] <mighty_aboba> I did it
[16:41] <mighty_aboba> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1023461/
[16:42] <mighty_aboba> It is work
[19:50] <len_> mighty_aboba, I think I will keep that info around. Thanks.
[19:52] <len-dt> printed to pdf...  Using DE shortcuts is better anyway, qjackctl doesn't have to have focus.
[22:44] <Orphite> so, am totally ignorant of ubuntu studio. whats it like? whats the quality of the virtual instruments freely available?
[22:44] <Orphite> for starters :)
[23:11] <ailo> Orphite: Check out the live DVD and see for yourself. No need to install anything
[23:12] <ailo> Orphite: Here's a short guide on that, if you feel you need it http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/InstallingUbuntuStudio
[23:12] <ailo> The DVD includes some of the most popular applications
[23:16] <Orphite> grear thanks. will run the live dvd for a look see
[23:16] <ailo> Orphite: Do you know your way around jack?
[23:17] <ailo> Orphite: Here's a short guide on starting it http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Starting_Jack
[23:17] <ailo> You'll need to have it running in order to use software instruments, and most of the "pro audio" applications
[23:19] <Orphite> will jack be setup on the ustudio or will i need to know how to configure it?
[23:19] <ailo> Orphite: You basically only need to choose the right device, depending on your device
[23:20] <Orphite> cool, ill have a quick read of that article - shouldnt be too hard to figure out