| ScottK | Riddell: Did you see the nice polite reply yofel got from the release guy you don't want criticized. Sure, it's a thankless job, but he seems hostile to most any kind of feedback. | 02:10 |
|---|---|---|
| afiestas | ScottK: :D | 02:54 |
| afiestas | people who does that kind of job are usually the happiear on earth :p | 02:54 |
| ScottK | afiestas: I find it very demotivating when the new KDE release guy decides, without discussion, to 'cancel' a KDE beta based on something needing to be packaged from a git snapshot. | 03:22 |
| ScottK | In our case the pointless delay cost us Kubuntu Quantal Alpha 1. | 03:22 |
| JontheEchidna | "Maybe in the future threatening to cancel the release will cause people moving house to drop everything and do volunteer FOSS stuff" | 03:37 |
| ScottK | Maybe. | 03:39 |
| eagles0513875 | morning all :) | 06:33 |
| eagles0513875 | hey guys I'm trying to assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/998630 to the kubuntu-dev team, would i need to be a member to be able to assign the bug to kubuntu-dev's | 06:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 998630 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "plasma netbook shell crashes on kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10" [Undecided,New] | 06:34 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: do you have a date to hold the kubuntu council vote? I'm wondering about a meeting before it to do the constitution and UDS review | 08:27 |
| * Riddell adds kubuntu-dev-server script to kubuntu-dev-tools for setting up an ec2 instance | 09:45 | |
| Stecchino | If anyone from Blue systems is in: both contact@blue-systems.com as contact@blue-systems.de fails | 09:49 |
| Riddell | Stecchino: passed on | 09:50 |
| Mamarok | his uncle is president of Schalke 04 football club | 09:57 |
| Riddell | nuff stalking | 09:59 |
| Mamarok | sorry :( | 10:00 |
| Ezim | schalke is a good football club :) | 10:03 |
| Ezim | gelsenkirchen | 10:03 |
| Riddell | Stecchino: try now | 10:33 |
| === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: sunday IIRC | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | that is sunday to sunday | 10:51 |
| Riddell | hum so might be able to hold one before then | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | if it is really necessary.... | 10:55 |
| apachelogger | mind that the parting members do only time out on june 21 | 10:55 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr | 10:57 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr | ||
| jussi | doodled | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | ah right | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we need to do the UDS stuff anyway, that right now blocks our task tracking | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | only approved specs get in, everything else is already set up | 11:02 |
| * Mamarok wonders if the kubuntu PPA is still working, or are there simply no precise updates available? | 11:08 | |
| Riddell | debfx is onto the 4.8.4 update | 11:09 |
| Mamarok | oh, cool | 11:10 |
| Mamarok | any work in progress for 4.9 beta packages? | 11:10 |
| Mamarok | yofel_: ^ ? | 11:10 |
| Riddell | 4.8.4 is still in ninjas | 11:11 |
| Riddell | 4.8.80 is also still in ninjas | 11:11 |
| Riddell | I've been faffing with ec2 stuff | 11:11 |
| Mamarok | OK, nice | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | .4 is done IIRC | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | at least debfx said something like that yesterday | 11:12 |
| apachelogger | or I am imagining things ^^ | 11:12 |
| Mamarok | I prefer packages rather than building the beta myself, and we have the beta testing this weekend in #kde-quality | 11:12 |
| * apachelogger kindly ponts out that the merge process as part of a kde release is not documented and pokes yofel_ | 11:12 | |
| Ezim | apachelogger, do you know if pulseaudio+kwin cracky/choopy sound after playin around is fixed with 4.8.4? | 11:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: oh, btw | 11:13 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: buildstatus amarok | 11:13 |
| kubotu | amarok: | 11:13 |
| kubotu | powerpc Successfully built | 11:13 |
| kubotu | i386 Successfully built | 11:13 |
| kubotu | armhf Successfully built | 11:13 |
| kubotu | armel Successfully built... | 11:13 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: I would not know | 11:13 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, okey.. np | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: did you actually identify the misbehaving component yet? | 11:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ooh more irc goodness | 11:14 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, no I did not really.. I tried different phonon backend | 11:15 |
| Ezim | did not help. | 11:15 |
| Ezim | I also tried pulseaudio 2 from repo, did not help. | 11:16 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: then how could I possibly tell you :P | 11:16 |
| Ezim | I tried veromix did not help. | 11:16 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: I'd talk to coling in #kde-multimedia | 11:16 |
| apachelogger | or drop him a mail colin@mageia.org | 11:16 |
| Ezim | to "fix" the sound weirdness I did use alsa, but that was not really my purpose. | 11:16 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, okey... it works just fine under mageia/fedora/debian | 11:17 |
| Ezim | I am testing zevenos neptune (debian based distro) it works also there... | 11:18 |
| Ezim | so I feel it is something in kubuntu that is broken | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: are holidays in the UK? | 11:22 |
| apachelogger | Ezim: instead of testing you could talk to colin | 11:22 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: today? it's a bank holiday for most people in the UK yes | 11:23 |
| apachelogger | ah | 11:23 |
| Ezim | apachelogger, will do that later on... hard to do that when I do not have kubuntu installed at the moment.. | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | epxlains why no one wants to talk to me about launchpad ^^ | 11:24 |
| yofel_ | apachelogger: it would be good if buildstatus could tell the version. I guess that's amarok from quantal, but that's ambigous when someone does an upload | 11:30 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| yofel | as for merge process, a proper documentation would require the debian team to have the packaging in a consistent state, which isn't the case usually | 11:30 |
| yofel | this time we merged from git, and even there only a few things as they're really lagging behind | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yeah, thought the same thing | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | yofel: also it should print one line | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | don't quite know how to do that in python tho | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | in ruby as in C print does not linebreak, no clue why it does in buildstatus | 11:32 |
| yofel | well, as long as it's only for a single package a few lines are tolerable | 11:32 |
| apachelogger | nah | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | what if you query two packages | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | or 3 :P | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | multiline output is always evil | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | except in a party case | 11:37 |
| yofel | well, ok | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | or when apachelogger uses multiline instead of punctuation :P | 11:38 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 33 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball | 11:43 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newversion 1 2 | 11:43 |
| kubotu | Package 1 doesn't exist yet! | 11:43 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 27 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newpackage plasma-widget-redshift 0.4 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Redshift+plasmoid?content=148737 | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | I broke it \o/ | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | User does not have sufficient permissions to edit the bug task importance. | 11:51 |
| yofel | it crashes on that? | 11:51 |
| yofel | it didn't in the past... | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | no | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | but it does not output the url | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | oh | 11:52 |
| yofel | uh, that can only happen when it crashes... | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | throws httperror it seems | 11:52 |
| yofel | -.- | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/493382/ | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | yofel: | 11:54 |
| yofel | sec | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/493394/ | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | yofel: ^ | 11:55 |
| yofel | yeah, something like that | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | yofel: oh, I think [description] should be additional to the standard message btw | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | defaultDescription << "\n\n" << description | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | or something | 11:56 |
| yofel | hm, I wanted to leave it to the user, but indeed makes sense to append it for the bot... | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | even for the user it makes sense | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | the defautl info is always useful | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | I would not want to write that manually and then add more stuff ^^ | 11:58 |
| yofel | sure, and it's less code actually | 11:58 |
| * apachelogger tries to get the bot in bugcontrol | 12:00 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: I wonder... can't one set the importance at report time? | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | or is that just for bugcontrol members | 12:01 |
| yofel | bugcontrol | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | k | 12:02 |
| apachelogger | oh actually | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | staging is up again | 12:03 |
| yofel | done | 12:03 |
| yofel | yeah, just a tad slow | 12:04 |
| yofel | as always | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | yofel: could you move the code to bzr or something? | 12:04 |
| * apachelogger currently needs to manually cherry pick | 12:04 | |
| yofel | sure, want in k-d-t? | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | yah, should be fine | 12:04 |
| yofel | added | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newpackage foo 1.0 | 12:08 |
| kubotu | Package foo already exists! | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | ah | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newpackage foobar 1.0 | 12:08 |
| yofel | o.O | 12:08 |
| kubotu | Package foobar already exists! | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newpackage foobarmybooty 1.0 | 12:08 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/bugs/971243 | 12:08 |
| ubottu | Error: malone bug 971243 not found | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: ^ should ignore bugs.staging | 12:09 |
| CIA-44 | [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121203-xh443n62lp32cjb7 * (5 files in 3 dirs) * Add pull-ninjas-source to download packages from the kubuntu-ninjas PPA. * Add newpackage script to file packaging bugs on LP | 12:12 |
| CIA-44 | [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121314-o9qefpsgkdsaz7ng * bin/newpackage explicitly specify argument names for login and make cred path usable explict specifying allows changing only the first name to switch from desktop wide cred sharing to per-app | 12:14 |
| yofel | ooops, yeah | 12:15 |
| yofel | apachelogger: = missing in line 60? | 12:16 |
| CIA-44 | [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121708-j7vzk7nafk5c367h * bin/newpackage add missing = | 12:17 |
| yofel | and see if ~ works, IIRC you need to wrap that in os.path.expanduser(...) | 12:17 |
| yofel | unless they changed that | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | yah | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | still integrating | 12:18 |
| yofel | actually, see kopypackages, there I did it properly | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | I do't get the code there | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | plz fix :P | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | actually | 12:20 |
| yofel | lol, that's just pythonized mkdir -p | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | all our scripts should have an envrionment override for that crap TBH | 12:20 |
| yofel | oh, good idea | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | then I do not need to carry a diff | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | also for application_name vs. consumer_name | 12:21 |
| yofel | which probably *should* be in a lib | 12:21 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rescan | 12:21 |
| kubotu | saving ... | 12:21 |
| kubotu | rescanning ... | 12:21 |
| kubotu | done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load | 12:21 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | bug! | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rescan | 12:23 |
| kubotu | saving ... | 12:23 |
| kubotu | rescanning ... | 12:23 |
| kubotu | done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | bug! | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:25 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 143 * bin/newpackage cleanup | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | yofel: <kubotu> HTTPError: Package foobar not published in Ubuntu | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | httperror? | 12:29 |
| yofel | weird | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | stating that is | 12:30 |
| yofel | ah, *that*'s what I was originally catching to see if a package was published | 12:30 |
| yofel | now to find out why source isn't None anymore | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | bot switched to production again, all should be good now \o/ | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | actually | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | just had an idea | 12:31 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 144 * bin/newpackage make sure the folder for the credentials file exists before using it | 12:33 |
| Stecchino | Speaking about betas. Is anyone packaging Amarok 2.6 beta 1 yet? | 12:34 |
| Stecchino | http://download.kde.org/unstable/amarok/2.5.90/src/amarok-2.5.90.tar.bz2.mirrorlist | 12:34 |
| Stecchino | simple s/2.4.90/2.5.90/g should work | 12:34 |
| Stecchino | and if the nl-i18n patch was used before: only needed for kdelibs <= 4.7. | 12:35 |
| Stecchino | *4.7.3 | 12:35 |
| yofel | hm, smoke still fails to build with new soprano -.- | 12:38 |
| apachelogger | https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/971249 | 12:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 971249 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "SysPanel projects list lacks error handling if underlying service unavailable" [Medium,Fix released] | 12:39 |
| Riddell | bug 1008645 | 12:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1008645 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade amarok to 2.5.90" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008645 | 12:39 |
| Riddell | Stecchino: still on the todo list | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino, Riddell: will get on it in a bit | 12:39 |
| Stecchino | ok | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rescan | 12:40 |
| kubotu | saving ... | 12:40 |
| kubotu | rescanning ... | 12:40 |
| kubotu | done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: any objections to switching releaseme to xz? | 12:41 |
| Stecchino | apachelogger: xz? | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | the compression tool | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | rather than bzip2 | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | xz being better at compressing and faster at decompressing | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | already used for kde sc releases | 12:42 |
| Stecchino | apachelogger: does compression matter of convenience? | 12:42 |
| Stecchino | if xz comes standard I don't care | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | well, the tars are smaller = less traffic | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: has been in distros for 3 years at least | 12:43 |
| Stecchino | then go ahead | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | kk | 12:43 |
| Riddell | it's what KDE SC uses | 12:43 |
| Stecchino | but as far as releaseme feature requests go. I want to to be git oriented | 12:43 |
| * apachelogger switches newpackage to production | 12:43 | |
| Stecchino | to confusing with the docs talking mostely about svn | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: I have a rewrite for that | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: docs are about translations of the same :P | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | which are in svn | 12:44 |
| Stecchino | yeah, but the --help does not mentions svn is about docs | 12:44 |
| Stecchino | we should not have to know how translations are set up basically | 12:44 |
| Stecchino | it's to complicated and subject to change anyway | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | I am sure the i18n leaders disagree on the not having to know anything about it :P | 12:45 |
| Stecchino | pfeh | 12:45 |
| Stecchino | I write strings in US-en and wrap them in approriate i18n*()s that is as much as I need to know about i18n | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: as I said, i18n will disagree | 12:46 |
| * apachelogger also disagrees but does not care enoguh to argue :P | 12:47 | |
| Stecchino | they are also the ones who made is so complicated and badly documented, so I guess there would be more dissagreements | 12:47 |
| * apachelogger actuallyw onders how gnome does it | 12:48 | |
| Riddell | in gnome the translations are in the source archive | 12:48 |
| Riddell | not separated | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | ok, so... update testing then amarok packaging | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: and we don't want that? | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | although I can see the management advantage in not having that | 12:48 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it means the translators have to go searching for them rather than the programmers. geneerally programmers are better at searching repositories than translators | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | particularly since due to the SC the apps are actually not as independent as they are in gnome | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, they would always be kde:foo/po/ | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | so I do believe git being a pain in the bum is the greater barrier there | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, I still think we should have used a bootsplash without logo, would look better | 12:52 |
| yofel | people think in pictures, so I believe most people do like the logo on that | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | from a branding perspective | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | from an artistic pov it would look better with just the dots | 12:53 |
| yofel | from an artisitic pov it would look better if you would use the gear parts as dots | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | no it wouldn't | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | it's because of the background | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | it lacks drama | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | so if you put blinking gears on it it will look like crap | 12:55 |
| yofel | well, if you remove the logo, at least make the dots larger. On a high resolution it looks crappy with just the dots | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | yah | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | tho I have only ever seen a highres boot myself ^^ | 12:56 |
| Riddell | we do get complaints about not having enough branding quite a bit | 12:56 |
| Riddell | but it's so unimportant to me | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | well, what can you brand without redoing the entire artwork set? | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | right now you could only change the color of the wallpaper as putting a logo on there would not work at all (due to the stripes) | 12:58 |
| Riddell | yeah I'm thinking about stuff like the K menu | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | then you could swap the start-here-kde icon for start-here-kubuntu | 12:59 |
| Riddell | anyway, I don't want that | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | + | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: there is nothing beyond those two anyway | 12:59 |
| Riddell | it was also commented at cebit by kde promo people that they didn't give away CDs because they had non-KDE branding on | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | there is no point in changing the plasma theme as that is part transparent anyway and going away from oxygen window/widget systle would take away snazzyness IMHO | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that is an unhealthy attitude | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | what would they like to give away? a cd with source tars? | 13:01 |
| Riddell | I agree | 13:01 |
| Riddell | ekhart's point was they were demoing kde then shouldn't give away something with non-kde bits on it. I said use kubuntu then that'll solve the issue | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopLf2541.png | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | I fix one issue and another pops up -.- | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | akonadi-- | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I understand his point, but it is not practical as KDE produces building blocks for a larger system | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | hence my comment about giving away source tars | 13:04 |
| * apachelogger wonders what akonotes is | 13:05 | |
| apachelogger | what I do not get | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | why does it tell me about the missing folders rather than create them | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do we have to have the date on by default? | 13:06 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'm not sure, we should do but I suspect we don't | 13:07 |
| Riddell | probably an upstream change at some point in the past | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | sebas was that | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | then I annoyed him for like a month to fix the data appearance | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | never happened | 13:07 |
| Riddell | a baltix conspiracy! | 13:07 |
| * Riddell out for an hour | 13:07 | |
| apachelogger | (also I personally believe it looks better without it anyway) | 13:08 |
| BluesKaj | hi all | 13:19 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Is the meeting doodle UTC or local TZ? | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | 2.6~beta1-1 | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | wtf | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | Start in 6 hours | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | ... | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | i38618 1134 jobs (11 hours) | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | all filled up with daily crap | 13:37 |
| * apachelogger puts bug report on his todo | 13:37 | |
| apachelogger | debfx: * Move localized handbooks into own packages named amarok-help-$lang. | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | what was the rationale for that? | 13:41 |
| eagles0513875 | yofel: thanks for packaging the menubar :) updating now going to try and test it for you agateau :) | 13:56 |
| yofel | thank JontheEchidna, he uploaded it, I'll try to get this fixed in precise as well | 13:56 |
| eagles0513875 | JontheEchidna: thanks testing the menubar fix :) hopefully that has done the trick | 13:58 |
| eagles0513875 | and sadly i still have no menubar :( | 13:59 |
| eagles0513875 | still in the same state as yesterday :( | 13:59 |
| yofel | eagles0513875: which release are you on? | 13:59 |
| eagles0513875 | 18 | 13:59 |
| yofel | er, kubuntu release I mean | 13:59 |
| Stecchino | so qt 4.8.2 ./configure claims I don't have make. Something changed in precise? | 13:59 |
| eagles0513875 | 12.10 | 13:59 |
| yofel | hm | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | yofel: do you know the rationale behind : * Move localized handbooks into own packages named amarok-help-$lang | 13:59 |
| yofel | apachelogger: cd space | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | but why invididual packages? | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: sudo apt-get build-dep qt4-x11? | 14:00 |
| yofel | dunno, Riddell ^ | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell is out | 14:00 |
| eagles0513875 | so far yofel it has eliminated the crash but still no menu should i remove my .kde folder? | 14:00 |
| Stecchino | apachelogger: yeah, I really am missing make ;) | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | oh well, cannot finish amarok merge without having that resolved | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | debian introduced -doc | 14:01 |
| yofel | eagles0513875: ah, I fear I don't know how to resolve that | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | so it would be good if the changelog stated why we need the help crap :P | 14:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Do you know if the doodle for the meeting is set up to be UTC or local time? | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | also why it was called help to begin with ^^ | 14:01 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: any idea? i am on 18 now and i still have no menu just like yesterday | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: utc unless you are logged in I think | 14:01 |
| ScottK | OK. I'm logged in, so I guess it's local. | 14:02 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | actually | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | might not be adapting | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: what's your first time and date? | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | utc is 1600 on june 6 | 14:02 |
| ScottK | June 6 at 1600. | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | always utc then | 14:02 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 14:02 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: your bar got away while you were still running 0.1.17, so it's related to another upgrade/change. Stupid question: is the widget still present in your panel? | 14:03 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: yes it is but the focus is lets say on tabs from chromium or anything else that i have up on my screen | 14:03 |
| ScottK | OK. Doodled. | 14:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: unping. | 14:04 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: is there a way i can attached the menu bar to a debugger or something to see actually whats going on ? | 14:05 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: does it only fail with chromium? | 14:05 |
| eagles0513875 | it fails on login and before the fix it was failing when i was using dolphin and accessing an external hard drive and even failing at random | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | eagles0513875: gdb can attach to running processes | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | sudo gdb | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | then attach $PID | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | where $PID is pidof plasma-desktop | 14:06 |
| ScottK | (or netbook) | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | mind that you want to set a break point tho | 14:06 |
| eagles0513875 | and i think it just crashed for me | 14:07 |
| eagles0513875 | at least now i can get a back trace if its related to it i don't know but will attach it in the bug for you agateau | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | (side note: attaching is super useful when an application locks up as a backtrace while locked usually tells clearly where/why ;)) | 14:08 |
| eagles0513875 | apachelogger: this happened just as i was about to attached | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I was wondering ... perhaps we should turn off apport notifications in releases? | 14:08 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: if you see menubars with other applications like Dolphin or Kwrite but it fails with chromium, then something is wrong with chromium | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | eagles0513875: did you already run the attach command? | 14:09 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: I am afraid I don't know how appmenu support works inchromium | 14:09 |
| eagles0513875 | apachelogger: sadly not i was trying to find the process to attach to | 14:09 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: it doesn't work with any application | 14:10 |
| * apachelogger points out that an application cannot/shouldnt crash while attach is doing its magic as the first thing gdb does is interrupt execution | 14:10 | |
| apachelogger | eagles0513875: ah k | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: did the videoclip applet get removed? | 14:10 |
| Stecchino | apachelogger: possibly | 14:11 |
| Stecchino | there was talk | 14:11 |
| Stecchino | checking | 14:11 |
| Stecchino | apachelogger: src/context/applets/videoclip is empty | 14:13 |
| Stecchino | so guess so | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | cheers | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopuP2541.png | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | you put the desktop files in the wrong package | 14:14 |
| debfx | apachelogger: saving space on the cd images | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | debfx: yes, but why invidual packages? | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | rather than a grand unified -doc | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | or rather... would we want to keep the invidual things vs. debian's -doc | 14:15 |
| debfx | some of them are huge | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | debfx: so we put some of them on the CD? | 14:17 |
| debfx | yes | 14:17 |
| debfx | I think we should keep the individual packages | 14:17 |
| debfx | unless the docs size considerably decreased in the new release | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | terribly unlikely | 14:19 |
| debfx | or maybe we should just ship an audio player that is not bloatware | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | lol | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | what about good documentation is bloatware? | 14:19 |
| jtechidna | apachelogger: apport itself controls whether or not it gets showed | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: not if there are pending reports I guess | 14:20 |
| debfx | not the documentation, the application itself | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | or we should silently discard them if apport is turned off? | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: just noticed the other day that on a new user I got apport reports | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | supposedly old ones as I always have the notifications turned off on my user | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | (all the notifications :P) | 14:21 |
| debfx | though if you need >10MB to explain how an audio player works, maybe that is a problem | 14:21 |
| * apachelogger notes that amarok is not an audio player | 14:22 | |
| apachelogger | Phonon::createPlayer is an audio player | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | amarok is an audio playback management software | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | fastly different :things P | 14:22 |
| debfx | aka bloatware | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | depends on the POV | 14:23 |
| eagles0513875 | ok guys i updated bug 998630 with the latest back trace which I'm starting to wonder if its related to the bug or not and i have no idea how to determine what the cause is if its not plasma-desktop | 14:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 998630 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu Precise) "plasma netbook shell crashes on kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998630 | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | brrr | 14:23 |
| Quintasan_ | WHY THIS IS CONSTANTLY BROKEN? | 14:24 |
| Quintasan_ | WHY | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | NOTE: all quantal images are oversized | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | debfx: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-i386.manifest | 14:24 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| apachelogger | we do not ship any help packages | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | so why are they split like that? | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: \o/ | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: where have you been, I missed you :( | 14:24 |
| Quintasan | I !@#%@$! install a clean Precise and I still get no freaking sound in mplayer | 14:24 |
| Quintasan | CAN'T WE JUST KILL IT WITH FIRE? | 14:24 |
| debfx | apachelogger: we can now | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: mplayer? | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: y u use mplayer? | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | What should I use? inb4vlc | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | it sucks with 10bit encodes | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | VLC!!$!!!#$!!@$@$ | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: 10 bit encodes? | 14:25 |
| eagles0513875 | apachelogger: here here i use it on all my systems even those that aren't linux :D | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I have been taking a break | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: h.264 10bit encoded video | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | eagles0513875: u better had, thanks to you I get free hardware and trips to paris :P | 14:26 |
| eagles0513875 | haha | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: and that does not work in vlc? | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | u kidding me? | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | did you encode the video? | 14:26 |
| Quintasan | I was getting some nice green squares on the video | 14:26 |
| eagles0513875 | wait apachelogger i remember hearing there were issues which were never fixed in regards to 10 bit encoding | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | because quite honestly if vlc fails to play it then something is seriously wrong with the encoding | 14:26 |
| BluesKaj | VLC is the most configurable media player , it does what what you set it to do , it does use the negative option defaults like so many others | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | that is to say the used libraries are excelent, thus allowing the superior playback ;) | 14:27 |
| BluesKaj | er doesn't use | 14:27 |
| Quintasan | Something is clearly not right with VLC if mplayer can decode the video | 14:27 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: i updated the bug report and basically at this point I'm at a total loss what else to try short of deleting my .kde folder | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: vlc -vvv $FILE -> #videolan | 14:27 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: But I'm not talking about the video | 14:28 |
| Quintasan | The question is why the hell I don't get any sound? | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | debfx: no we cannot because the images are already oversized | 14:28 |
| Quintasan | So, amarok plays music with no problems | 14:28 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: try this: open a terminal, then type "plasmoidviewer menubar". Do you get a window with a menubar? | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | so unless there is some actual rationale to this than a theoretical future use I do not see why we should keep 300 additional packages over debian | 14:28 |
| eagles0513875 | Quintasan: you checked under audio and the audio track to make sure its set right | 14:28 |
| Quintasan | Either we are doing something wrong with our mplayer2 package in Ubuntu or PulseAudio is shit | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: vlc -vvv | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | I am not going t guess why some random file produces no audio | 14:29 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Do I install vlc from repos or I have to bother looking for some magical deb? | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | repos | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | dunno if they are any good though, I have my own vlc build | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | seeing how popular vlc is I suppose the packages should be goody ;) | 14:30 |
| Quintasan | Seeing all those encoders of my *cough* legally acquired*cough* don't recommend VLC I'm still reluctant to use it | 14:31 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: do we still use replaces alongside breaks? | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: keep using your broken software then | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | mplayer like too many multimedia apps has spooky code | 14:32 |
| Quintasan | >plays everything fine when using alsa | 14:32 |
| Quintasan | >suddenly doesnt work when pulse comes into play | 14:32 |
| Quintasan | >2012 | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: mplayer. | 14:33 |
| Quintasan | Can we stop having over 9000 abstraction layers | 14:33 |
| Quintasan | mplayer2 | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | spooky code remains spooky code even if you append a 2 | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | see amarok :P | 14:33 |
| eagles0513875 | amarok rocks for playing audio and streaming | 14:34 |
| eagles0513875 | Quintasan: i think i remember someone telling me thats is an ongoing known bug with 10bit | 14:34 |
| eagles0513875 | and vlc | 14:34 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: And you are the Multimedia Overlord in lands of KDE? | 14:34 |
| eagles0513875 | might have to go dig through their bug tracker i don't know the bug off the top of my head | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | eagles0513875: he just doesn't wanna use vlc | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: yes, use gstreamer | 14:34 |
| eagles0513875 | O_O who wouldn't want to use it | 14:34 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: And you bash your music player? Go and fix it now | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | if it does not work there you can shout at shadeslayer or tdfischer | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: no, I am fixing dragon | 14:35 |
| Quintasan | But that's even worse | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | not anymore | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | even plays bluray now | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | and doesn't show stupid white windows when stopping, and resumes videos properly (again).... | 14:36 |
| * apachelogger fixed like 7000 bugs in a week | 14:36 | |
| Quintasan | *shrug* | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | it still has spooky code though | 14:36 |
| Quintasan | The only viable media player for Linux - Amarok 2 is now working like shit here | 14:36 |
| Quintasan | 300mb in ram when idle | 14:36 |
| Quintasan | seriously? | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | lol | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: you should get yourself an apachelogger ;) | 14:37 |
| eagles0513875 | haha i could use an apachelogger too lol :P | 14:37 |
| Tm_T | Quintasan: huh? | 14:37 |
| * apachelogger points out that he was annoyed by the fact that dragon needed ~1 second to start and now has a branch that makes it start almost instantly even with dbg symbols :P | 14:38 | |
| Quintasan | Tm_T: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopnV2056.png | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: I think you are leaking | 14:38 |
| Quintasan | Hi there Amarok | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | also 25% cpu is no fun business | 14:38 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I think you should look at what we ship | 14:38 |
| Quintasan | This is a freaking clean install | 14:38 |
| Quintasan | I even got rid of every dotdir in my $HOME | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopOV2541.png | 14:39 |
| eagles0513875 | I'm wondering if my menu issue i should get rid of the .kde menu apachelogger would that hurt anything? | 14:39 |
| eagles0513875 | Quintasan: how much ram does your system have? | 14:39 |
| Quintasan | 8GB | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | eagles0513875: as long as you only move it and don't rm-rf it | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | eagles0513875: I mean, if it doesn't help you can always move it back | 14:40 |
| Quintasan | You think I would be able to pbuild in tmpfs with any less? :P | 14:40 |
| eagles0513875 | what does it contain anyway | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: paste me the advanced memory info for amarok plz | 14:40 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: If I'm leaking and package is not bugged then what the hell is wrong | 14:40 |
| eagles0513875 | apachelogger: could it be nepomuk eating up resources | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | also full details of that plz | 14:41 |
| Quintasan | >advanced memory info | 14:41 |
| Quintasan | How do I into that? | 14:41 |
| Quintasan | Bug report assistant? | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: in ksysguard right click amarok | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | then scroll down to full details and open that | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | then seelect all and copy | 14:42 |
| * apachelogger thinks that features needs an export function | 14:42 | |
| apachelogger | oho | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | that even is a qwebview | 14:43 |
| yofel | hm... somone got a better class name than 'Klp' for a launchpad class in KubuntuDevTools/launchpad.py? I'm incredibly uncreative today -.- | 14:43 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: have you tried what I asked you? | 14:43 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: http://wklej.org/id/767480/ | 14:43 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: My thoughts exactly for export function | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you could file a bug about it :P | 14:44 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: ok this is odd I'm doing a ps -aux grep plasma-desktop and nothing is coming up | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you are not doing a collection scan right now, do you? | 14:45 |
| Quintasan | no | 14:45 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Besides, it couldn't possibly last more than 6 hours, could it? | 14:45 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: that does not answer my question | 14:45 |
| eagles0513875 | oops sry agateau missed the last thing you wanted me to try I'm going to try it now | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: not likely | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: pulseaudio is active? | 14:46 |
| Quintasan | I think it is | 14:46 |
| Quintasan | Otherwise I would probably get no sound | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | rodger | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | so either gstreamer or amarok is leaking here | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: how long has it been running? | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | 421040 KB[heap] | 14:46 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: with plasmoidviewer menubar all i get is a white box no menubar | 14:47 |
| Quintasan | I went to bed while the music was playing | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | with vlc I have half of that heap | 14:47 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I think 6-7 hours | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: so it was playing through the nigth? | 14:47 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: have you focused any application? | 14:47 |
| eagles0513875 | any application i focus all isee is the chromium tab in focus :-/ | 14:48 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Yeah, it was still playing when I got up so I stopped the playback because I wouldn't be using the pc anymore | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | right | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: get a massif log please | 14:48 |
| Quintasan | what on | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | amarok | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | play -> wait 10 seconds -> switch to next -> wait 10 seconds.... | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | do that for some 20 tracks | 14:49 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: can you pastebin the content of the terminal? | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | then stop valgrind with ctrl-c (one only) | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: oh, also | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you don't have your entire collection in the playlist by any chance? | 14:50 |
| Quintasan | I think I do | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | .... | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | nevermind then | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | you are using it wrong | 14:50 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: all I'm getting is plasmoidviewer(2562 MenuBarApplet::init: Could not connect registrar to DBus | 14:50 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: huh> | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: how many tracks do you have? | 14:50 |
| Quintasan | You want to tell me I can't just put my whole collection on the freaking playlist? | 14:50 |
| jtechidna | Quintasan: my amarok would idle at 400 MiB ram, so recently I've switched to clementine and it uses ~70 | 14:51 |
| Quintasan | 3723 | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you can, it will however use freaking memory | 14:51 |
| Quintasan | songs | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | just like juk amarok does not do playlist caching | 14:51 |
| jtechidna | I had < 90 songs in my playlist, so that's not related | 14:51 |
| Quintasan | AHAHAHAHA | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | that is... all track information is held in memory | 14:51 |
| Quintasan | SERIOUSLY? | 14:51 |
| Quintasan | WOLOLOLOL | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | regardless of whether the track is currently visible | 14:51 |
| Quintasan | ALT+F4 | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | unlike juk its playlist is not the collection | 14:52 |
| Quintasan | LOL | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | in particular right now in juk you get that 400 mib usage always | 14:52 |
| Quintasan | I DELETED AND NOW IT'S 91MB IN MEMORY | 14:52 |
| Quintasan | XD | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | wheras in amarok it is a design decision | 14:52 |
| Quintasan | and cpu usage is still at 27% | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | in amarok you are supposed to create what we used to call smart playlists | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | which are continious playlists based on parameters | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: while playing? | 14:53 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: idle, nothing on playlist | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | fun | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: gdb attach to it | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | grab some backtrace on all threads | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | 3 of them or so | 14:53 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I think I need debug symbols don't I? | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | yah | 14:54 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: ok | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | if you feel particularly fun you can also cachegrind and callgrind it | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | but since instrumentation is dead slow .... ;) | 14:54 |
| Quintasan | So, now it's not playing any music, nothing is on playlist and I want to gdb attach to it? | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: I am reasonable certain amarok leaks | 14:55 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Explain the steps to me like you would to a dumb person because I used gdb once | 14:55 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: ok so it means the menubar widget is already there | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | somewhere around 2.3 heap management became too complicated | 14:55 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: so could this be related to a graphics driver issue? | 14:55 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: remove it from your desktop and start "plasmoidviewer menubar" again | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | now even singletons cause problems with destruciton or no destruction or some destruction... | 14:56 |
| eagles0513875 | ok waiting for plasma-desktop to crash again | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | happens when you maek software too complicated :P | 14:56 |
| bambee | woo !!! http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTExMzA | 14:56 |
| jtechidna | heh | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | phonon has a similar issue with pulseaudio shutdown | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | which is architectural though ... as pulseaudio needs to wire in boht the frontend and the backend | 14:56 |
| Quintasan | That's why open source is not popular | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: what is? | 14:57 |
| Quintasan | We make things so complicated it's !@#! better to rewrite things and we still end up with nothing good | 14:57 |
| Quintasan | KMail and Amarok are the prime examples of that | 14:58 |
| Quintasan | LOL LET'S REWRITE CODE | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | kmail was not rewriten | 14:58 |
| Quintasan | now my email client doesnt work | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | also kmail is somewhat unmaintained | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | amarok was rewriten, that is not why it leaks memory though | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | those issues are more complicated really | 14:58 |
| Quintasan | and amarok developers try to tell me it's a design dections and I can't freaking have everything on playlist | 14:58 |
| * apachelogger wonders when Riddell will return from his 1 hour awayness :P | 14:59 | |
| Quintasan | design decision* | 14:59 |
| Quintasan | ok so amarok is running and I have gdb and debug magic installed apachelogger | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | sudo gdb | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | ah | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | first | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | pidof amarok | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | then sudo gdb | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | attach $WHATPIDOFSAID | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | ...wait... | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | then | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | thread apply all bt | 15:00 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: :) now i get something ill post it on the bug report | 15:00 |
| debfx | apachelogger: the images are only oversized if we decide so | 15:00 |
| Quintasan | Still reading symbols | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | hit enter until all backtraces print, then copy to paste | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | then | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | continue | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | wait a bit | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | then ctr+c | 15:00 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: can you pastebin it? | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | thread appply..... | 15:00 |
| eagles0513875 | sure :) agateau | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: the idea is to interrupt at random times and fetch backtraces to see whether some function (chain) is executed regularly | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | which would then be the function (chain) that needed investigation | 15:01 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: http://pastebin.com/6rWTnN4a | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: sampled callgrind technique that is ^^ | 15:01 |
| Quintasan | thread apply all bt should be run when music is playing, right? | 15:02 |
| Quintasan | you want me to add the whole collection again? | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | no | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | you cannot run gdb instructions while the application is executing code | 15:03 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: "plasmoidviewer(2598)/kdeui (kdelibs): Session bus not found" < this is plasmoidviwer telling you something is terribly wrong with your session | 15:03 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: you should logout and back | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: lemme get you a log | 15:03 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: restarting give me 30 sec :D | 15:03 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: empty playlist, amarok doing nothing and you want me to run thread apply all bt on that state? | 15:04 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/493538/ | 15:05 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/493544/ | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | mind the lines startign with (gdb) | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | this is right after loading is finished | 15:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: hi | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do you have a rationale for amarok-help-* | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: debian introduced amarok-doc, so I am wondering if it is worth keeping the detailed split | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | Stecchino: the collectionscanner is a qprocess I presume? | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: need more samples than that ^^ | 15:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: cd size I think was the reason debfx did that I think | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: ok | 15:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: if debian have a simple -doc split go with that | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ok | 15:09 |
| * apachelogger really wonders why amarok needs so many eventloops -.- | 15:10 | |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: what cpu do you have? | 15:10 |
| Quintasan | Intel Core i5 | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | k | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: can I get more samples please | 15:11 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: making them | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: also is amarokcollectionscanner running? | 15:12 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: nope | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | keep a watch out for it while you take samples | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | commiting changes caues ~16% load here | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | (database changes) | 15:13 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Will 5 samples suffice? | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: yah | 15:13 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: sadly still nothing | 15:14 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: what does plasmoidviewer say? | 15:14 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Pastin' | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: also please take note of the wrong desktop file package | 15:15 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/493556/ | 15:15 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: now i have file showing up but full screen menu bar | 15:15 |
| Quintasan | I'm still running gdb so I can get some more if you want | 15:15 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: ? | 15:16 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: i have a full screen menu but nothing is showing up on command line | 15:16 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: right, you can't have both the plasmoidviewer and the menubar in the desktop running at the same time | 15:16 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: remove the one from the desktop, then run plasmoidviewer menubar again | 15:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: .desktop files should be in the same package as the .so plugin they reference | 15:17 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 15:17 |
| eagles0513875 | will have to do later i have to run to a meeting | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: not if we have a common package | 15:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: oh spose so | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: ok, we'll need a callgrind | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | seems to me it is doing nothing but regular event processing | 15:18 |
| Quintasan | oh yeah, no sound in videos in vlc as well | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | so one of the events might be causing the load | 15:18 |
| Quintasan | k | 15:18 |
| Quintasan | do I kill gdb? | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | yah and amarok | 15:19 |
| Quintasan | k | 15:20 |
| Quintasan | What now? | 15:20 |
| Quintasan | valgrind and co. are installed | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | valgrind --tool=callgrind --callgrind-out-file=amarok.callgrind amarok --nofork | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | then let it run for a while nto doing anything to amarok | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | then ctrl+c valgrind (once!) | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | (a subsequent ctrl+c will likely sigint valgrind itself ;)) | 15:21 |
| Quintasan | K, I'll be reading on C then in mean time | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: can one stage invidiual lines with bzr? | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: just need it for like 1 minute after the window appears | 15:22 |
| Riddell | I believe so, I seem to remember qbzr can do it | 15:22 |
| Quintasan | what | 15:22 |
| Quintasan | on earth | 15:22 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Amarok window just came up from tray and it's all grey | 15:23 |
| Quintasan | wut | 15:23 |
| Quintasan | oh | 15:23 |
| Quintasan | nbm | 15:23 |
| Quintasan | nvm* | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: instrumentation slows down the app by a factor of n :P | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | n >= 5 | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | usually :P | 15:23 |
| Quintasan | mother of god | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | (which is why it makes analyzing video playback utter fun because you'll have to have a way to turn off frame discarding as all frames will be late for drawing ;)) | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/survival/bzr-for-git-users.html \o/ | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | You can still commit a subset of files, and it is possible to commit a subset of hunks within a file using plugins, but there is no way to stage part of a commit and then continue working. | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | pff | 15:25 |
| Quintasan | I ctrl+c'd it and it stopped | 15:26 |
| Quintasan | massif-visualizer amarok.callgrind ? | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | nah | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | mail me the file | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | kcachegrind is the tool you want btw | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | massif != grind :P | 15:27 |
| Quintasan | MOTHER OF GOD | 15:28 |
| Quintasan | IT'S 17MB | 15:28 |
| apachelogger | xz -9 amarok.callgrind | 15:28 |
| Quintasan | oh | 15:29 |
| Quintasan | 2mb | 15:29 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: sent | 15:30 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: qshelve perhaps? | 15:30 |
| Quintasan | YES | 15:31 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yep | 15:31 |
| Quintasan | I KNOW WHY NO SOUND | 15:31 |
| Quintasan | How does one change default audio device in PA? | 15:31 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: through the phonon UI | 15:31 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 145 * bin/kgetsource special case kdelibs as we call it kde4libs | 15:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: can only shelve hunks -.- | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | better than nothing | 15:32 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Oh really? VLC and mplayer2 don't respect those probably | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: vlc does | 15:32 |
| Quintasan | It doesn't | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: does here :P | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | you could install phonon-backend-vlc :P | 15:32 |
| Quintasan | http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktoprR2056.png | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | and then use dragon ... that way you definitely get the right device | 15:32 |
| Quintasan | and VLC wanted to use the HDMI one | 15:33 |
| BluesKaj | Quintasan, you can set VLC to whatever output you want in tools /preferences | 15:35 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/493610/ | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | dafuq | 15:39 |
| * apachelogger would totally love if we could implement dep3 -.- | 15:49 | |
| Riddell | which one is that? | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | patch comment | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | half the time with patch updates is lost looking like a monkey at files only to see that our patch was from upstream or sent upstream | 15:50 |
| Riddell | my habit is usually to put the comment in the chaneglog, but the fashion these days it to put it in the patch so I should fix that habit | 15:52 |
| apachelogger | changelog needed to be searched ^^ | 15:52 |
| Riddell | that's why I always ensure to put the patch filename in the changelog | 15:53 |
| Riddell | but yes | 15:53 |
| * apachelogger likes to do both | 15:54 | |
| apachelogger | seems useful enough to put info in both as in the changelog it might be useful should the issue reappear after it was already fixed upstream and the patch dropped | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | almost done \o/ | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: looking at grind | 15:58 |
| jussi | o/ | 15:59 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: no !@$# idea | 15:59 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I removed ~/.pulse | 15:59 |
| jussi | Im drinking this strange ginger stuff with whiskey - its pretty good... | 15:59 |
| Quintasan | ran mplayer -ao alsa and shit works | 15:59 |
| Quintasan | MAGIC | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | why do you ao to alsa with pulse anyway? | 16:00 |
| Riddell | jussi: irn bru? | 16:00 |
| jussi | Riddell: nah, hang on let me grab the name. | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: install kdelibs and libdbus dbg and regrind | 16:01 |
| Quintasan | hurr | 16:01 |
| jussi | Riddell: http://indigogreen.com.au/ | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: for how long did you run after the window appeared? | 16:02 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: because pulse ao yields no sound? xD | 16:02 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: for like, two minutes | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: how many tracks in the playlist? | 16:03 |
| jussi | Riddell: its rather good - slightly sweet to begin with, but then hot :D | 16:03 |
| * apachelogger points out that 2 million mallocs in 2 minutes is a bit much .... | 16:03 | |
| Quintasan | LOL | 16:03 |
| apachelogger | I think | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | libdbus-glib-1-2-dbg ? | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: I think there is dbus-dbg | 16:04 |
| Quintasan | there is not | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | well, just install all dbus dbg | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | 7k dbus msgs seems also a lot *shrug* | 16:05 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: K, should I play those files on play list or just ADD them? | 16:05 |
| Quintasan | w8 | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: nah | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | just wanna know how many are in the playlist | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | cuz it's deploying 988 mysql queries | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | FWIW with dragon I get 200k mallocs in >2 minutes | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | then again it less strings to begin with | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | oh ohoh | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | ah, nvm | 16:10 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: TBH when I ran the valgrind it was empty | 16:11 |
| Quintasan | NO, ZERO NULL | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: huh? | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | what valgrind? | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | memcheck? | 16:12 |
| Quintasan | durr | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | what's a durr? | 16:12 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: callgrind on amarok | 16:12 |
| Quintasan | the playlist was empty | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | ahhh | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: then I am reasonable certain that you >3k tracks have about 800 albums :P | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: is that number far off? | 16:13 |
| Quintasan | far off | 16:13 |
| Quintasan | It's about 270 | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | hm | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | oh | 16:14 |
| Quintasan | I have my collection on HDD like | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | hmmmmmmmmmmm | 16:14 |
| Quintasan | Artist - Album - Files | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | then amarok's mysql tables are complex :P | 16:14 |
| jussi | where are we at with the 4.9 packaging? | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | could be something like 270*2 (query album & artist of album) | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: how many artists? | 16:16 |
| * apachelogger was under the impression album did lazy query on the mysql collection | 16:16 | |
| apachelogger | s/album/amarok/ | 16:16 |
| kubotu | apachelogger meant: "was under the impression amarok did lazy query on the mysql collection" | 16:16 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 16:16 |
| Quintasan | artists are little bit harder | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: amarok has a plugin for that btw | 16:17 |
| Quintasan | Like, would be 65+ | 16:17 |
| Quintasan | but some files have more tags | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | rating statistics or something | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | s/plugin/script/ | 16:17 |
| kubotu | apachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | actually | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: if you let amarok run idle for 2 minutes without instrumentation does it constantly have the 25% load? | 16:18 |
| Quintasan | Now I'm playing ONE song | 16:18 |
| Quintasan | ~3% CPU and 503mb of memory are being used | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | you can only play one song at a time | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | (well, technically 2 ^^) | 16:19 |
| Quintasan | ok, only one song is at the play list | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: so you have no load? | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | :P | 16:19 |
| * apachelogger points out that a callgrind only makes sense if it constantly uses cpu when idle :P | 16:19 | |
| Quintasan | http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopVk2047.png | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | fatty | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: massif log please | 16:21 |
| Quintasan | I wanted to use mpd | 16:21 |
| Quintasan | BUT NO SORRY WE USE PULSE AUDIO AND IT WON'T WORK | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | start -> play -> ~ 20 seconds -> ctrl+c | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | xz -9 log, sending | 16:21 |
| Quintasan | [~]% valgrind --tool=massif --massif-out-file=amarok.massif amarok --nofork? | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | aye | 16:22 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: sent | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | did you gimps the mem usage by any chance? | 16:27 |
| Quintasan | pulseaudio laughs at my silly attempts to change the default device | 16:27 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: You wanted to know if I photoshopped them? | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | hmmmm | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: yes :P | 16:28 |
| Quintasan | I can record a movie what I'm freaking doing | 16:28 |
| Quintasan | If you don't believe me | 16:28 |
| Quintasan | Now it's at 266 | 16:29 |
| Quintasan | I launched it | 16:29 |
| Quintasan | Added ONE ALBUM to the freaking playlist | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you ctrl-c'd? | 16:29 |
| Quintasan | and started playbakc | 16:29 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: The massif log? I did | 16:29 |
| Quintasan | I ctrl+c'd once and waited for it terminate by itself | 16:29 |
| Quintasan | 271mb of memory now | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | :O | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: did you look at the chart? | 16:31 |
| Quintasan | 238 | 16:32 |
| Quintasan | reported | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: stop playback | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | how much memory consumed? | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | stop - not pause FWIW | 16:32 |
| Quintasan | I'm not dumb | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | just saying :P | 16:33 |
| Quintasan | still at 275mb | 16:33 |
| Quintasan | according to ksysguard | 16:33 |
| Quintasan | htop says 335MB | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | htop is dumb | 16:33 |
| Quintasan | top also does | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | they are both dumb | 16:34 |
| Quintasan | K | 16:34 |
| Quintasan | so ksysguard still hovers around 275mb | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | ... | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | did you look at the massif chart? | 16:35 |
| Quintasan | It says max was 238 | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | yes | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | it tells me more than that though :P | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: quit amarok | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | start again | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | look at memory consumption | 16:36 |
| Quintasan | 63 when ~15 songs on playlist | 16:37 |
| Quintasan | not playing anything | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | ...... | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | that is what massif tells me :P | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | your gstreamer pipeline is 200 mib fat! | 16:37 |
| Quintasan | caution | 16:37 |
| Quintasan | I start playback now | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | 200 mib right there :P | 16:37 |
| Quintasan | 263 | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | xD | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | told ya | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | WHAT | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopVY2541.png | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | IS THIS? | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | vlc supremacy! | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | my vlc pipeline is smaller than amarok's entire base consumption :P | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | yes, vlc respects pulseaudio settings | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | bullshit | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | with pvlc it does | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: so | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | now at 91 Mib ^^ | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: I think this is due to fact that gsteamer likes to create memcopy based pipelines | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | whereas vlc stuff is often zero-copy | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | 200 mib is still hefty tho | 16:40 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 16:42 |
| Quintasan | I somehow killed the HDMI output | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: out of interest... which gstreamer plugins do you have installed/ | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | ? | 16:42 |
| Quintasan | no idea | 16:42 |
| Quintasan | I just installed what the nifty dialog on playback start suggested | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | check please | 16:43 |
| Quintasan | THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api | 16:44 |
| Quintasan | durr | 16:44 |
| Quintasan | http://wklej.org/id/767564 | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: someone should offer the desktop guy help getting his stuff into kde ;) | 16:44 |
| afiestas | who? | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | the guy who is working on freerdp support | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | !info phonon-backend-gstreamer | 16:50 |
| ubottu | phonon-backend-gstreamer (source: phonon-backend-gstreamer): Phonon GStreamer 0.10.x backend. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.0really4.6.0-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 103 kB, installed size 430 kB | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: actually looks like the bug | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | also what filetype are the tracks? | 16:54 |
| Quintasan | The one i played was FLAC | 16:54 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: yes | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | try something less fat :P | 16:54 |
| afiestas | apparently I was t harsh or something :/ | 16:54 |
| afiestas | jsut replied | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: didn't think so | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | some people are just very insecure about their work | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | that is why I do pornon, whatever I do as long as prn remains playable everyone is happy :P | 16:55 |
| highvoltage | oO | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: so, my mem usage doesn't go beyond 100 MiB | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | which may be related to mp3 v flac | 16:55 |
| Quintasan | wut | 16:56 |
| Quintasan | now it's 77mb | 16:56 |
| Quintasan | when playing | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | same file? | 16:56 |
| Quintasan | y | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | the flac file? | 16:57 |
| Quintasan | yes | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | oh | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | hihihi | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | I do have a hunch why | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: y u no accept invite? | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: go t #kde-multimedia | 17:01 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: are you still working on kde-workspace 4.8.80? | 17:21 |
| jtechidna | debfx: nope | 17:21 |
| jtechidna | I was using old hooks and was unable to get a reliable list-missing with the dhmk stuff | 17:22 |
| debfx | jtechidna: so it should be ready after updating install and symbol files? | 17:23 |
| jtechidna | debfx: I've done the .symbols files (and bumped a few X-Debian-ABI), but the library .install files need to be updated for that | 17:24 |
| jtechidna | and of course any new files that 4.9 introduces elsewhere | 17:24 |
| jtechidna | I forgot to update the .install files of the libraries that I bumped the X-Debian-ABI, in other words | 17:24 |
| jtechidna | so once that gets fixed & list-missing has been incorporated into the .install files, things should be good | 17:25 |
| debfx | ok, will update those and upload | 17:27 |
| jtechidna | thanks | 17:27 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 146 * (10 files in 5 dirs) * switch to dh7 packaging * Add pylib/KubuntuDevTools with some python utilities * use KDTLaunchpad in newpackage, klearppa and kopypackages for authentication | 17:30 |
| yofel | apachelogger: with that you can specify the credentials file in $KUBUNTU_DEV_TOOLS_CREDENTIALS - but you now need to actually install the package as you need the module installed. | 17:35 |
| yofel | for now I left it hardcoded in newpackage, throw it out if you don't need it | 17:35 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: i tried to remove the menu bar widget and i can't even click on it i get no menu when i right click :( | 17:38 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 147 * setup.py fix version in setup script | 17:52 |
| yofel | hm, copyright fun: http://paste.kde.org/493736 - that's... what? | 18:32 |
| yofel | (that's dragon-4.8.80/src/app/analyzer/analyzerBase.* ) | 18:32 |
| yofel | ah, no, only the .cpp | 18:34 |
| jussi | [21:37:53] <#kubuntu:sdaugherty> Hi, There seems to be some sort of squid error on www.kubuntu.org. http://paste.kde.org/493742/ | 18:39 |
| yofel | kubotu: help newpackage | 18:40 |
| kubotu | newpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package. | 18:40 |
| kubotu | newversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package. | 18:40 |
| yofel | kubotu: newversion calligra 2.4.90 ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/calligra-2.4.90/ | 18:40 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009159 | 18:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1009159 in calligra (Ubuntu) "Please update calligra to 2.4.90" [Undecided,New] | 18:41 |
| jussi | that is so awesome ^^ | 18:42 |
| yofel | :D | 18:43 |
| yofel | bbl | 18:43 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Yes (when appropriate) - usage for replaces hasn't changed. | 19:01 |
| shadeslayer | ooohh | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: I get that too | 19:12 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: what? | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: that squid error | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | i.e. cannot access kubuntu.org | 19:15 |
| jussi | ahh yes, I relayed that from #kubuntu | 19:15 |
| jussi | but I get it also | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 19:16 |
| shadeslayer | uh is it just me | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | or is jono doing a AMA on reddit | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/ | 19:28 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: he is, yes | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | I just noticed it :D | 19:28 |
| jussi | lol | 19:29 |
| shadeslayer | Clearly this is a sign that I've spent way too much time on reddit today | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | and that I should be studying | 19:31 |
| * jussi banishes shadeslayer to the study room | 19:34 | |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 148 * bin/newpackage use upgrade instead of update for package upgrades for consistency | 19:36 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 149 * bin/newpackage use login_with without parameters | 19:38 |
| ScottK | yofel: I'd use upgrade for new feature versions and update for post-release updates. | 19:38 |
| yofel | well, the script currently makes no difference there | 19:39 |
| yofel | apachelogger: I threw the hardcoded credentials file out after all, so adjust that for the bot | 19:39 |
| yofel | ScottK: and I'm not sure how to tell that apart without adding yet another option | 19:41 |
| ScottK | yofel: last digit < or > 10. | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | yofel: boohooo | 19:44 |
| yofel | that's too ambigous IMHO, but I can add it if you want... | 19:45 |
| ScottK | yofel: There'll never be another case where the last digit of a KDE release is < 10 and it's not a post-release bugfix. | 19:46 |
| ScottK | jussi: Thanks. I got Canonical people looking at it (kubuntu.org) | 19:47 |
| jussi | ScottK: no probs, I only noticed cause the guy in kubuntu said somethign | 19:47 |
| yofel | ScottK: this isn't just for KDE, so you would "update" to calligra 2.9, but "upgrade" to 2.11 | 19:47 |
| ScottK | yofel: In that case, I agree it's ambiguous. | 19:47 |
| yofel | as the .0 is missing there | 19:47 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr |kubuntu.org down RT #19888 | ||
| yofel | meh, now I'm not convinced anymore that I should even change that -.- | 19:50 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 150 * bin/newpackage revert r148, most version upgrade bugs use update and it's easier to understand | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | now that I fixed pornon | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | where was I | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: oh ah yes | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | good sir | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: how much space do you have free on your /home partition? | 19:56 |
| yofel | and I can't find any recommendation for how that should be called anyway | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it got hacked I tell you | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | first no access, then down :P | 20:01 |
| ScottK | Could be. | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | soon fwd to phonon.kde.org | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | or uprn or something | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | I think I broke Quintasan again | 20:02 |
| === skreech__ is now known as skreech_ | ||
| apachelogger | rbelem: where is the copyright generater you are writing? | 20:47 |
| * eagles0513875 is going to try purge kubuntu-desktop on netbook and reinstall it | 20:51 | |
| apachelogger | bah | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | turning on xz in debian/rules | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | what a mindwarp | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | no wonder it took 3000 hours to compress | 21:03 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr |kubuntu.org fixed | ||
| ScottK | I can log into the web site too, so that's fixed as well. | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | unhacked :( | 21:04 |
| ScottK | corrupted sessions table | 21:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^^ | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | (process:5842): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_type_instance_get_private: assertion `instance != NULL && instance->g_class != NULL' failed | 21:05 |
| CIA-44 | [amarok] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605220713-wkyla5o7kfgpsis9 * debian/ (18 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) | 22:07 |
| CIA-44 | * Merge from Debian experimental, remaining changes: (LP: 1008645) - Don't | 22:07 |
| CIA-44 | build-depend on libavformat-dev and libofa0-dev as libavcodec* is not allowed on | 22:07 |
| Riddell | ScottK: those session tables, one bribe offer and they're corrupted straight away | 22:33 |
| ScottK | :-) | 22:33 |
| apachelogger | hold on, who got a bribe offer? | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: buildstatus amarok | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | oh oh | 23:23 |
| kubotu | Kubuntu IRC Bot (kubotu) • [Log Out] | 23:26 |
| kubotu | [launchpa] | 23:26 |
| kubotu | Launchpad.net | 23:26 |
| kubotu | • Launchpad Home | 23:26 |
| kubotu | • Code... | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | pff | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: buildstatus amarok | 23:26 |
| kubotu | amarok: | 23:26 |
| kubotu | powerpc Currently building | 23:26 |
| kubotu | i386 Currently building | 23:26 |
| kubotu | armhf Currently building | 23:26 |
| kubotu | armel Currently building... | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | neat | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: is there a particular reason your buildstatus script doesn't use login_anonymous? | 23:27 |
| micahg | shouldn't amarok have gone to -proposed? | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | micahg: that's betarr | 23:31 |
| micahg | apachelogger: ? | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | micahg: what are you talking about? | 23:32 |
| micahg | apachelogger: and you also forgot -v :) | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | because I am talking about the currently building amarok | 23:32 |
| micahg | apachelogger: during alpha1 freeze anything that can cause arch skew is supposed to go to -proposed | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | micahg: oh, true :( | 23:32 |
| micahg | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-June/000960.html | 23:33 |
| apachelogger | micahg: my amarok prevoiusly crashed, I count that as bugfix | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: do you know what happened to the ktp release yet? | 23:35 |
| micahg | In particular, an upload that will increase the count of | 23:37 |
| micahg | uninstallable packages in main, even temporarily, MUST be | 23:37 |
| micahg | done to quantal-proposed instead of to quantal. | 23:37 |
| micahg | but I see how you could read it otherwise | 23:37 |
| micahg | apachelogger: I'm guessing infinity will come after you if you take away his beer though | 23:38 |
| micahg | anyways, back to testing for me | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | micahg: I'll prepare just in case :) | 23:44 |
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