[02:10] Riddell: Did you see the nice polite reply yofel got from the release guy you don't want criticized. Sure, it's a thankless job, but he seems hostile to most any kind of feedback. [02:54] ScottK: :D [02:54] people who does that kind of job are usually the happiear on earth :p [03:22] afiestas: I find it very demotivating when the new KDE release guy decides, without discussion, to 'cancel' a KDE beta based on something needing to be packaged from a git snapshot. [03:22] In our case the pointless delay cost us Kubuntu Quantal Alpha 1. [03:37] "Maybe in the future threatening to cancel the release will cause people moving house to drop everything and do volunteer FOSS stuff" [03:39] Maybe. [06:33] morning all :) [06:34] hey guys I'm trying to assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/998630 to the kubuntu-dev team, would i need to be a member to be able to assign the bug to kubuntu-dev's [06:34] Launchpad bug 998630 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "plasma netbook shell crashes on kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10" [Undecided,New] [08:27] apachelogger: do you have a date to hold the kubuntu council vote? I'm wondering about a meeting before it to do the constitution and UDS review [09:45] * Riddell adds kubuntu-dev-server script to kubuntu-dev-tools for setting up an ec2 instance [09:49] If anyone from Blue systems is in: both contact@blue-systems.com as contact@blue-systems.de fails [09:50] Stecchino: passed on [09:57] his uncle is president of Schalke 04 football club [09:59] nuff stalking [10:00] sorry :( [10:03] schalke is a good football club :) [10:03] gelsenkirchen [10:33] Stecchino: try now === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [10:51] Riddell: sunday IIRC [10:51] that is sunday to sunday [10:52] hum so might be able to hold one before then [10:55] if it is really necessary.... [10:55] mind that the parting members do only time out on june 21 [10:57] Kubuntu meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr [11:01] doodled [11:01] ah right [11:02] Riddell: we need to do the UDS stuff anyway, that right now blocks our task tracking [11:02] only approved specs get in, everything else is already set up [11:08] * Mamarok wonders if the kubuntu PPA is still working, or are there simply no precise updates available? [11:09] debfx is onto the 4.8.4 update [11:10] oh, cool [11:10] any work in progress for 4.9 beta packages? [11:10] yofel_: ^ ? [11:11] 4.8.4 is still in ninjas [11:11] 4.8.80 is also still in ninjas [11:11] I've been faffing with ec2 stuff [11:11] OK, nice [11:11] .4 is done IIRC [11:12] at least debfx said something like that yesterday [11:12] or I am imagining things ^^ [11:12] I prefer packages rather than building the beta myself, and we have the beta testing this weekend in #kde-quality [11:12] * apachelogger kindly ponts out that the merge process as part of a kde release is not documented and pokes yofel_ [11:13] apachelogger, do you know if pulseaudio+kwin cracky/choopy sound after playin around is fixed with 4.8.4? [11:13] Riddell: oh, btw [11:13] kubotu: buildstatus amarok [11:13] amarok: [11:13] powerpc Successfully built [11:13] i386 Successfully built [11:13] armhf Successfully built [11:13] armel Successfully built... [11:13] Ezim: I would not know [11:14] apachelogger, okey.. np [11:14] Ezim: did you actually identify the misbehaving component yet? [11:14] apachelogger: ooh more irc goodness [11:15] apachelogger, no I did not really.. I tried different phonon backend [11:15] did not help. [11:16] I also tried pulseaudio 2 from repo, did not help. [11:16] Ezim: then how could I possibly tell you :P [11:16] I tried veromix did not help. [11:16] Ezim: I'd talk to coling in #kde-multimedia [11:16] or drop him a mail colin@mageia.org [11:16] to "fix" the sound weirdness I did use alsa, but that was not really my purpose. [11:17] apachelogger, okey... it works just fine under mageia/fedora/debian [11:18] I am testing zevenos neptune (debian based distro) it works also there... [11:18] so I feel it is something in kubuntu that is broken [11:22] Riddell: are holidays in the UK? [11:22] Ezim: instead of testing you could talk to colin [11:23] apachelogger: today? it's a bank holiday for most people in the UK yes [11:23] ah [11:24] apachelogger, will do that later on... hard to do that when I do not have kubuntu installed at the moment.. [11:24] epxlains why no one wants to talk to me about launchpad ^^ [11:30] apachelogger: it would be good if buildstatus could tell the version. I guess that's amarok from quantal, but that's ambigous when someone does an upload === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:30] as for merge process, a proper documentation would require the debian team to have the packaging in a consistent state, which isn't the case usually [11:31] this time we merged from git, and even there only a few things as they're really lagging behind [11:31] yofel: yeah, thought the same thing [11:31] yofel: also it should print one line [11:31] don't quite know how to do that in python tho [11:32] in ruby as in C print does not linebreak, no clue why it does in buildstatus [11:32] well, as long as it's only for a single package a few lines are tolerable [11:37] nah [11:37] what if you query two packages [11:37] or 3 :P [11:37] multiline output is always evil [11:37] except in a party case [11:37] well, ok [11:38] or when apachelogger uses multiline instead of punctuation :P [11:43] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 33 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball [11:43] kubotu: newversion 1 2 [11:43] Package 1 doesn't exist yet! [11:49] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 27 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball [11:50] kubotu: newpackage plasma-widget-redshift 0.4 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Redshift+plasmoid?content=148737 [11:51] I broke it \o/ [11:51] User does not have sufficient permissions to edit the bug task importance. [11:51] it crashes on that? [11:51] it didn't in the past... [11:51] no [11:52] but it does not output the url [11:52] oh [11:52] uh, that can only happen when it crashes... [11:52] throws httperror it seems [11:52] -.- [11:52] http://paste.kde.org/493382/ [11:54] yofel: [11:54] sec [11:55] http://paste.kde.org/493394/ [11:55] yofel: ^ [11:55] yeah, something like that [11:55] yofel: oh, I think [description] should be additional to the standard message btw [11:56] defaultDescription << "\n\n" << description [11:56] or something [11:56] hm, I wanted to leave it to the user, but indeed makes sense to append it for the bot... [11:57] even for the user it makes sense [11:58] the defautl info is always useful [11:58] I would not want to write that manually and then add more stuff ^^ [11:58] sure, and it's less code actually [12:00] * apachelogger tries to get the bot in bugcontrol [12:01] yofel: I wonder... can't one set the importance at report time? [12:01] or is that just for bugcontrol members [12:01] bugcontrol [12:02] k [12:03] oh actually [12:03] staging is up again [12:03] done [12:04] yeah, just a tad slow [12:04] as always [12:04] yofel: could you move the code to bzr or something? [12:04] * apachelogger currently needs to manually cherry pick [12:04] sure, want in k-d-t? [12:04] yah, should be fine [12:06] added [12:08] kubotu: newpackage foo 1.0 [12:08] Package foo already exists! [12:08] ah [12:08] kubotu: newpackage foobar 1.0 [12:08] o.O [12:08] Package foobar already exists! [12:08] kubotu: newpackage foobarmybooty 1.0 [12:08] https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/bugs/971243 [12:08] Error: malone bug 971243 not found [12:09] tsimpson: ^ should ignore bugs.staging [12:12] [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121203-xh443n62lp32cjb7 * (5 files in 3 dirs) * Add pull-ninjas-source to download packages from the kubuntu-ninjas PPA. * Add newpackage script to file packaging bugs on LP [12:14] [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121314-o9qefpsgkdsaz7ng * bin/newpackage explicitly specify argument names for login and make cred path usable explict specifying allows changing only the first name to switch from desktop wide cred sharing to per-app [12:15] ooops, yeah [12:16] apachelogger: = missing in line 60? [12:17] [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121708-j7vzk7nafk5c367h * bin/newpackage add missing = [12:17] and see if ~ works, IIRC you need to wrap that in os.path.expanduser(...) [12:18] unless they changed that [12:18] yah [12:18] still integrating [12:18] actually, see kopypackages, there I did it properly [12:19] I do't get the code there [12:19] plz fix :P [12:20] actually [12:20] lol, that's just pythonized mkdir -p [12:20] all our scripts should have an envrionment override for that crap TBH [12:20] oh, good idea [12:20] then I do not need to carry a diff [12:21] also for application_name vs. consumer_name [12:21] which probably *should* be in a lib [12:21] kubotu: rescan [12:21] saving ... [12:21] rescanning ... [12:21] done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load [12:22] kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 [12:23] bug! [12:23] kubotu: rescan [12:23] saving ... [12:23] rescanning ... [12:23] done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load [12:23] kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 [12:23] bug! [12:24] kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 [12:25] hm [12:27] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 143 * bin/newpackage cleanup [12:29] yofel: HTTPError: Package foobar not published in Ubuntu [12:29] httperror? [12:30] weird [12:30] stating that is [12:30] ah, *that*'s what I was originally catching to see if a package was published [12:30] now to find out why source isn't None anymore [12:31] bot switched to production again, all should be good now \o/ [12:31] actually [12:31] just had an idea [12:33] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 144 * bin/newpackage make sure the folder for the credentials file exists before using it [12:34] Speaking about betas. Is anyone packaging Amarok 2.6 beta 1 yet? [12:34] http://download.kde.org/unstable/amarok/2.5.90/src/amarok-2.5.90.tar.bz2.mirrorlist [12:34] simple s/2.4.90/2.5.90/g should work [12:35] and if the nl-i18n patch was used before: only needed for kdelibs <= 4.7. [12:35] *4.7.3 [12:38] hm, smoke still fails to build with new soprano -.- [12:39] https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/971249 [12:39] Launchpad bug 971249 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "SysPanel projects list lacks error handling if underlying service unavailable" [Medium,Fix released] [12:39] bug 1008645 [12:39] Launchpad bug 1008645 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade amarok to 2.5.90" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008645 [12:39] Stecchino: still on the todo list [12:39] Stecchino, Riddell: will get on it in a bit [12:40] ok [12:40] kubotu: rescan [12:40] saving ... [12:40] rescanning ... [12:41] done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load [12:41] Stecchino: any objections to switching releaseme to xz? [12:41] apachelogger: xz? [12:41] the compression tool [12:41] rather than bzip2 [12:42] xz being better at compressing and faster at decompressing [12:42] already used for kde sc releases [12:42] apachelogger: does compression matter of convenience? [12:42] if xz comes standard I don't care [12:42] well, the tars are smaller = less traffic [12:43] Stecchino: has been in distros for 3 years at least [12:43] then go ahead [12:43] kk [12:43] it's what KDE SC uses [12:43] but as far as releaseme feature requests go. I want to to be git oriented [12:43] * apachelogger switches newpackage to production [12:43] to confusing with the docs talking mostely about svn [12:43] Stecchino: I have a rewrite for that [12:44] Stecchino: docs are about translations of the same :P [12:44] which are in svn [12:44] yeah, but the --help does not mentions svn is about docs [12:44] we should not have to know how translations are set up basically [12:45] it's to complicated and subject to change anyway [12:45] I am sure the i18n leaders disagree on the not having to know anything about it :P [12:45] pfeh [12:46] I write strings in US-en and wrap them in approriate i18n*()s that is as much as I need to know about i18n [12:46] Stecchino: as I said, i18n will disagree [12:47] * apachelogger also disagrees but does not care enoguh to argue :P [12:47] they are also the ones who made is so complicated and badly documented, so I guess there would be more dissagreements [12:48] * apachelogger actuallyw onders how gnome does it [12:48] in gnome the translations are in the source archive [12:48] not separated [12:48] ok, so... update testing then amarok packaging [12:48] Riddell: and we don't want that? [12:48] although I can see the management advantage in not having that [12:49] apachelogger: it means the translators have to go searching for them rather than the programmers. geneerally programmers are better at searching repositories than translators [12:49] particularly since due to the SC the apps are actually not as independent as they are in gnome [12:50] Riddell: well, they would always be kde:foo/po/ [12:50] so I do believe git being a pain in the bum is the greater barrier there [12:52] Riddell: btw, I still think we should have used a bootsplash without logo, would look better [12:53] people think in pictures, so I believe most people do like the logo on that [12:53] from a branding perspective [12:53] from an artistic pov it would look better with just the dots [12:54] from an artisitic pov it would look better if you would use the gear parts as dots [12:54] no it wouldn't [12:55] it's because of the background [12:55] it lacks drama [12:55] so if you put blinking gears on it it will look like crap [12:55] well, if you remove the logo, at least make the dots larger. On a high resolution it looks crappy with just the dots [12:55] yah [12:56] tho I have only ever seen a highres boot myself ^^ [12:56] we do get complaints about not having enough branding quite a bit [12:56] but it's so unimportant to me [12:57] well, what can you brand without redoing the entire artwork set? [12:58] right now you could only change the color of the wallpaper as putting a logo on there would not work at all (due to the stripes) [12:59] yeah I'm thinking about stuff like the K menu [12:59] then you could swap the start-here-kde icon for start-here-kubuntu [12:59] anyway, I don't want that [12:59] + [12:59] Riddell: there is nothing beyond those two anyway [13:00] it was also commented at cebit by kde promo people that they didn't give away CDs because they had non-KDE branding on [13:00] there is no point in changing the plasma theme as that is part transparent anyway and going away from oxygen window/widget systle would take away snazzyness IMHO [13:01] Riddell: that is an unhealthy attitude [13:01] what would they like to give away? a cd with source tars? [13:01] I agree [13:02] ekhart's point was they were demoing kde then shouldn't give away something with non-kde bits on it. I said use kubuntu then that'll solve the issue [13:02] afiestas: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopLf2541.png [13:02] I fix one issue and another pops up -.- [13:02] akonadi-- [13:04] Riddell: I understand his point, but it is not practical as KDE produces building blocks for a larger system [13:04] hence my comment about giving away source tars [13:05] * apachelogger wonders what akonotes is [13:05] what I do not get [13:05] why does it tell me about the missing folders rather than create them [13:06] Riddell: do we have to have the date on by default? [13:07] apachelogger: I'm not sure, we should do but I suspect we don't [13:07] probably an upstream change at some point in the past [13:07] sebas was that [13:07] then I annoyed him for like a month to fix the data appearance [13:07] never happened [13:07] a baltix conspiracy! [13:07] * Riddell out for an hour [13:08] (also I personally believe it looks better without it anyway) [13:19] hi all [13:25] Riddell: Is the meeting doodle UTC or local TZ? [13:25] 2.6~beta1-1 [13:25] wtf [13:36] Start in 6 hours [13:36] ... [13:37] i386 18 1134 jobs (11 hours) [13:37] all filled up with daily crap [13:37] * apachelogger puts bug report on his todo [13:41] debfx: * Move localized handbooks into own packages named amarok-help-$lang. [13:41] what was the rationale for that? [13:56] yofel: thanks for packaging the menubar :) updating now going to try and test it for you agateau :) [13:56] thank JontheEchidna, he uploaded it, I'll try to get this fixed in precise as well [13:58] JontheEchidna: thanks testing the menubar fix :) hopefully that has done the trick [13:59] and sadly i still have no menubar :( [13:59] still in the same state as yesterday :( [13:59] eagles0513875: which release are you on? [13:59] 18 [13:59] er, kubuntu release I mean [13:59] so qt 4.8.2 ./configure claims I don't have make. Something changed in precise? [13:59] 12.10 [13:59] hm [13:59] yofel: do you know the rationale behind : * Move localized handbooks into own packages named amarok-help-$lang [14:00] apachelogger: cd space [14:00] but why invididual packages? [14:00] Stecchino: sudo apt-get build-dep qt4-x11? [14:00] dunno, Riddell ^ [14:00] Riddell is out [14:00] so far yofel it has eliminated the crash but still no menu should i remove my .kde folder? [14:00] apachelogger: yeah, I really am missing make ;) [14:00] oh well, cannot finish amarok merge without having that resolved [14:01] debian introduced -doc [14:01] eagles0513875: ah, I fear I don't know how to resolve that [14:01] so it would be good if the changelog stated why we need the help crap :P [14:01] apachelogger: Do you know if the doodle for the meeting is set up to be UTC or local time? [14:01] also why it was called help to begin with ^^ [14:01] agateau: any idea? i am on 18 now and i still have no menu just like yesterday [14:01] ScottK: utc unless you are logged in I think [14:02] OK. I'm logged in, so I guess it's local. [14:02] Thanks. [14:02] actually [14:02] might not be adapting [14:02] ScottK: what's your first time and date? [14:02] utc is 1600 on june 6 [14:02] June 6 at 1600. [14:02] always utc then [14:02] Thanks. [14:03] eagles0513875: your bar got away while you were still running 0.1.17, so it's related to another upgrade/change. Stupid question: is the widget still present in your panel? [14:03] agateau: yes it is but the focus is lets say on tabs from chromium or anything else that i have up on my screen [14:04] OK. Doodled. [14:04] Riddell: unping. [14:05] agateau: is there a way i can attached the menu bar to a debugger or something to see actually whats going on ? [14:05] eagles0513875: does it only fail with chromium? [14:06] it fails on login and before the fix it was failing when i was using dolphin and accessing an external hard drive and even failing at random [14:06] eagles0513875: gdb can attach to running processes [14:06] sudo gdb [14:06] then attach $PID [14:06] where $PID is pidof plasma-desktop [14:06] (or netbook) [14:06] mind that you want to set a break point tho [14:07] and i think it just crashed for me [14:07] at least now i can get a back trace if its related to it i don't know but will attach it in the bug for you agateau [14:08] (side note: attaching is super useful when an application locks up as a backtrace while locked usually tells clearly where/why ;)) [14:08] apachelogger: this happened just as i was about to attached [14:08] JontheEchidna: I was wondering ... perhaps we should turn off apport notifications in releases? [14:09] eagles0513875: if you see menubars with other applications like Dolphin or Kwrite but it fails with chromium, then something is wrong with chromium [14:09] eagles0513875: did you already run the attach command? [14:09] eagles0513875: I am afraid I don't know how appmenu support works inchromium [14:09] apachelogger: sadly not i was trying to find the process to attach to [14:10] agateau: it doesn't work with any application [14:10] * apachelogger points out that an application cannot/shouldnt crash while attach is doing its magic as the first thing gdb does is interrupt execution [14:10] eagles0513875: ah k [14:10] Stecchino: did the videoclip applet get removed? [14:11] apachelogger: possibly [14:11] there was talk [14:11] checking [14:13] apachelogger: src/context/applets/videoclip is empty [14:13] so guess so [14:13] cheers [14:13] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopuP2541.png [14:14] you put the desktop files in the wrong package [14:15] apachelogger: saving space on the cd images [14:15] debfx: yes, but why invidual packages? [14:15] rather than a grand unified -doc [14:15] or rather... would we want to keep the invidual things vs. debian's -doc [14:16] some of them are huge [14:17] debfx: so we put some of them on the CD? [14:17] yes [14:17] I think we should keep the individual packages [14:18] unless the docs size considerably decreased in the new release [14:19] terribly unlikely [14:19] or maybe we should just ship an audio player that is not bloatware [14:19] lol [14:19] what about good documentation is bloatware? [14:20] apachelogger: apport itself controls whether or not it gets showed [14:20] jtechidna: not if there are pending reports I guess [14:20] not the documentation, the application itself [14:20] or we should silently discard them if apport is turned off? [14:20] jtechidna: just noticed the other day that on a new user I got apport reports [14:21] supposedly old ones as I always have the notifications turned off on my user [14:21] (all the notifications :P) [14:21] though if you need >10MB to explain how an audio player works, maybe that is a problem [14:22] * apachelogger notes that amarok is not an audio player [14:22] Phonon::createPlayer is an audio player [14:22] amarok is an audio playback management software [14:22] fastly different :things P [14:22] aka bloatware [14:23] depends on the POV [14:23] ok guys i updated bug 998630 with the latest back trace which I'm starting to wonder if its related to the bug or not and i have no idea how to determine what the cause is if its not plasma-desktop [14:23] Launchpad bug 998630 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu Precise) "plasma netbook shell crashes on kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998630 [14:23] brrr [14:24] WHY THIS IS CONSTANTLY BROKEN? [14:24] WHY [14:24] NOTE: all quantal images are oversized [14:24] debfx: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-i386.manifest === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:24] we do not ship any help packages [14:24] so why are they split like that? [14:24] Quintasan: \o/ [14:24] Quintasan: where have you been, I missed you :( [14:24] I !@#%@$! install a clean Precise and I still get no freaking sound in mplayer [14:24] CAN'T WE JUST KILL IT WITH FIRE? [14:24] apachelogger: we can now [14:25] Quintasan: mplayer? [14:25] Quintasan: y u use mplayer? [14:25]