[00:00] <jono> jcastro, indeed
[00:00] <jono> jcastro, we still need the rest of the existing badges finishing
[00:00] <jono> jcastro, marcoceppi also, can you guys take a few mins to decide which trophies should depend on others and update them
[00:01] <jono> right now 65 scripts or so are being run every time
[00:01] <jono> I am sure we can trim this down to only run the next logical set of scripts
[00:02] <jcastro> cjohnston: some day my friend. someday.
[00:02] <cjohnston> hehe
[00:02] <cjohnston> i know that would be a goal for you
[00:02] <pleia2> I will get the one for created 20 wiki pages (darn team reports)
[00:02] <pleia2> :P
[00:03] <cjohnston> not created
[00:14] <jcastro> paging pleia2
[00:14] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/107982618909749811163/posts/BCxkP4aupM4
[00:15] <jono> jcastro, did you see my messages above?
[00:15] <jono> can we get these final bits fixed up?
[00:15] <jcastro> yeah we can probably do that
[00:16] <jono> jcastro, the priority is getting the dependencies in place
[00:16] <jono> but they should be pretty accurate...we don't want to be in a position where someone might get a badge if they havent got the badge it depends on
[00:16] <jono> so I think it will require a bit of careful thinking
[00:17] <jono> I figured you and marcoceppi can probably map it out to a chart or something and then make the changes
[00:17] <jcastro> someone already wrote the deps down somewhere
[00:17] <jcastro> one sec
[00:17] <jono> jcastro, oh sweet
[00:17] <jcastro> we can't be the first people to do this
[00:17] <jono> indeed
[00:17] <jcastro> hah dude
[00:17] <jcastro> the same post we are using for the categories
[00:18] <jcastro> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/68259/150182
[00:18] <jcastro> the ones with /
[00:18] <jcastro> Popular Question / Notable Question / Famous Question
[00:18] <jcastro> the one on the left is needed, to get the middle, and then the last one
[00:19] <jono> oh nice!
[00:19] <jcastro> Nice Question / Good Question / Great Question
[00:19] <jcastro> and so on
[00:19] <jono> jcastro, ok, I will go and make these changes
[00:19] <jono> thanks jcastro
[00:19] <jono> if you can just help get the final docs sorted, we should be good
[00:19] <jcastro> 15 relationships
[00:52] <jono> jcastro, ok, I added all remaining deps
[00:53] <jono> and a bunch of trophy icon fixes too
[00:53] <jcastro> <-- in the middle of something for house stuff
[00:53] <jcastro> i'll have to finish mine off later tonight or tomorrow
[00:54] <bkerensa> jono: you got a second?
[00:55] <jono> bkerensa, sure
[00:55] <jono> jcastro, cool
[00:57] <bkerensa> jcastro: so I will have space at our booth at OSCON for any Juju material you want to get to attendees
[00:57] <bkerensa> just a heads up
[02:13] <bkerensa> popey: Do you know anyone who wants to go to LeWeb in London? I got a 50% discount code but obviously I don't live there so :P
[02:22] <pleia2> jcastro: wow, those are brilliant
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:24] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:24] <hobgoblin> good morning
[07:24] <dpm> hey dholbach :)
[07:25] <dpm> morning hobgoblin and all
[07:25] <dholbach> dpm, did you see those precise-proposed fixes? :)
[07:25] <dpm> yeah, just saw them this morning :)
[07:26] <dpm> I need to test them and then talk to pitti about getting the p-d-e fix into Precise too
[08:24] <nigelb> Hey dholbach, dpm :)
[08:24] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:24] <nigelb> dholbach: How've you been?
[08:25] <dholbach> good good - how about you? :)
[08:25] <dpm> hey nigelb, long time no speak! :)
[08:25] <nigelb> dholbach: Pretty good! Moving countries soonish. So, sort of busy with that.
[08:25] <nigelb> dpm: Yeah! Glad to talk to you guys after a while :)
[08:25] <dholbach> oh yeah? where are you moving to?
[08:25] <nigelb> New Zealand :)
[08:26] <nigelb> (if things go well, and I get the visa and all that)
[08:26] <cjohnston> He is moving to NZ to start working on Summit again dholbach
[08:26] <nigelb> haha
[08:26] <dpm> oh wow
[08:26] <dholbach> wow
[08:26] <nigelb> I'm moving to NZ to work for Mozilla :)
[08:26] <dholbach> nice :)
[08:26] <dpm> awesome!
[08:26] <nigelb> cjohnston: What surgery were you talking about on FB?
[08:27] <cjohnston> I had surgery yesterday morning
[08:27] <dpm> nigelb, what are you going to be working on?
[08:27] <dpm> i.e. can we bribe you to fix bugs? ;)
[08:27] <nigelb> dpm: I'll be working with their webdev team. Building community websites. Similar to what I did for Ubuntu as a volunteer.
[08:27] <nigelb> Haha.
[08:28] <dpm> excellent, a perfect match
[08:28] <nigelb> I can fix UI bugs :D
[08:28] <nigelb> (on firefox)
[08:28] <dpm> :-)
[08:29] <dpm> when are you starting?
[08:29] <nigelb> Well, thre isn't a definite date yet. Because there isn't a definitive date for the visa.
[08:29] <dpm> oh, yeah, the joys of getting a visa :/
[08:30] <dpm> nigelb, in any case, congrats for the new job, I'm sure you'll be awesome at it :)
[08:36] <dholbach> yes, all the best
[08:41] <hobgoblin> nice one nigelb
[08:52] <nigelb> dpm, dholbach - thanks!
[08:52] <nigelb> hobgoblin! haven't seen you around in a while :)
[08:53] <hobgoblin> nigelb: I am always about somewhere - just need to look for daft nicks :)
[08:54] <nigelb> hobgoblin: Hah. I know you have this one and forestpixie and some variations of those :D
[08:54] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:21] <AlanBell> nigelb: cool, congratulations!
[12:42] <dpm> ok, top 10 app downloads post published, could someone help upvoting http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ulzfp/top_10_ubuntu_app_downloads_for_may_2012_ubuntu/ - thanks!
[13:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: Thanks! :)
[14:51] <jcastro> balloons: hey I have to step out for 15 minutes and finish up this hadoop thing
[14:51] <jcastro> can you mention to jono that I'm running a bit late, but I'd like to go last in IRC.
[14:51] <balloons> jcastro, no problem :-)
[14:59] <jono> dpm, dholbach, mhall119, jcastro, balloons all set>?
[14:59] <dholbach> yes
[15:00] <dpm> yep
[15:00] <balloons> yep
[15:00] <balloons> jono,  jcastro needs to go last
[15:00] <jono> ok
[15:00] <jono> #startmeeting
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[15:01] <jono> welcome, one and all, to the community team meeting!
[15:01] <jono> prepare for a rambunctious range of rambling reports, from our various horsemen
[15:01] <jono> first up, fighting the good fight for apps in Ubuntu...dpm!
[15:01]  * dholbach whinnies
[15:02] <jono> whinnies?
[15:02] <dpm> ok, here I go
[15:02] <dholbach> horses whinny, no?
[15:02] <mhall119> nay
[15:02] <dholbach> did I get my vocabulary wrong again?
[15:02] <jono> lol
[15:02]  * dpm lols
[15:02] <mhall119> even if you got it right, it would still be so wrong
[15:03] <dholbach> guys, where's your sense of humour?
[15:03] <jono> "<mhall119> even if you got it right, it would still be so wrong" - story of my life
[15:03] <dholbach> you take this metal thing much too seriously
[15:03] <sense> here
[15:03] <jono> meanwhile...back at the point...dpm!
[15:03]  * dpm stops to have a tea...
[15:03] <dpm> ok, here I go...
[15:03] <dpm> App Developers
[15:04] <dpm> - Re-reviewed blueprints so that they were ready by timeline reset
[15:04] <dpm> - Published top 10 app downloads for May blog post
[15:04] <dpm> - Worked with mhall119 to create an e-mail template to contact upstream app authors
[15:04] <dpm> - Created a wiki page with guidelines and instructions on how to contribute to adding new apps to the list wanted apps
[15:05] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevelopers/GettingUpstreamApps
[15:05] <dpm> - Researched and created a document to assess the work required to open source MyApps
[15:05] <dpm> - Catch up app developers call with jono, mhall119 and dholbach
[15:05] <dpm> - Had a chat with didrocks and tested his Quickly HTML5 app template
[15:06] <dpm> - Had another chat with mterry about the SRU Quickly fixes, landed now on -proposed
[15:06] <dpm>  
[15:06] <dpm> Translators
[15:06] <dpm>  
[15:07] <dpm> - Created a new TranslationsDeadline page after deciding to merge the two deadlines of previous releases into one
[15:07] <dpm> - Talked to jam from the blue squad about opening translations for Q
[15:08] <dpm> this is blocked on the squad working on other critical stuff
[15:08] <dpm> I should have an update on this next week
[15:08] <dpm> And I believe that was me for this week's update
[15:09] <jono> any questions for dpm?
[15:10] <jono> alrighty!
[15:10] <jono> next up...another force in the app dev journey...mhall119!
[15:10] <mhall119> \o/
[15:10] <mhall119> [Accomplishments]
[15:10] <mhall119> * Created multiple accomplishments for LTP events
[15:11] <mhall119> including participation in global jams and ubuntu hours
[15:11] <mhall119> * Created accomplishment for attending a UDS
[15:11] <mhall119> [Juju]
[15:11] <mhall119> * Finished Django app for charming django projects
[15:11] <mhall119> and blogged about  it
[15:12] <mhall119> [Unity]
[15:12] <mhall119> * Sent desktop team info about adding Global Menu support to Java/Swing apps
[15:12] <mhall119> [App Developers]
[15:12] <mhall119> * Drafted an email template with dpm to send to app developers encouraging them to submit their apps to USC
[15:12] <mhall119> * Created a table showing out current programming language coverage in our developer documentation
[15:12] <mhall119> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AofbdH5hl5CbdEFBS0lLalh4RU1abTI5QXVkMjhMRFE#gid=3
[15:12] <mhall119> should be public
[15:12] <mhall119> [Ubuntu TV]
[15:13] <mhall119> * bobweaver has created a live CD of the CES demo code, and will be working on ways to make regular live CDs of the new code once it's written
[15:13] <mhall119> [Summit]
[15:13] <mhall119> * Remote-participated in the Linaro Connect session about future Summit plans
[15:13] <mhall119> that's all for me, any questions?
[15:14] <jono> any questions for mhall119?
[15:15] <jono> alrighty!
[15:16] <jono> ...and now, continuing the theme, a man devoted to making sure that apps can be packaged quickly, easily, and effectively on Ubuntu...dholbach
[15:16] <jono> !!!!!!
[15:16] <jono> :-)
[15:16] <dholbach> :)
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Dev initiatives: announced first bug fixing initiative, had 4 people contributing already.
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Dev Advisory Team: D-A-T meeting. Reached out to lots of new contributors.
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Dev News: reorganised templates.
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Sponsoring: did a bit of sponsoring myself, reminded everyone to do more sponsoring, we had 103 items in the queue, now 64. Blogged about it too.
[15:17] <dholbach> ☺ Dev Docs: prepare for upload to quantal, Andrew uploaded it, let's say what the archive admins say. :)
[15:17] <dholbach> ☺ Dev Infrastructure: fixed a bug in upload stats generation scripts.
[15:17] <dholbach> ☺ Apps: started work on https://launchpad.net/apps-brancher - check out the list of bugs to find out the current state of it. Once the logging and pushing is implemented, we can deploy and announce it. Packaged pkgme, uploaded to quantal and with the archive admins now, also published as daily build. Completed test-run of ARB apps through pkgme, wrote and sent report. Had a catch-up call with james_w to find out about the future
[15:17] <dholbach> of pkgme. Filed some bug reports and sent merge proposals for pkgme.
[15:17] <dholbach> So as you can see, most of my time I spent on apps, and I'm VERY HAPPY with where we're going.
[15:17] <dholbach> That's all.
[15:19] <jono> any questions for dholbach?
[15:19] <jono> alrighty!
[15:20] <jono> next up, a gentleman who will be assuring testing and quality in 12.10...a man whose work is essential for Ubuntu, balloons!
[15:20] <balloons> :-)
[15:20] <balloons> here we go
[15:20] <balloons> * Alpha One Testing! As a precursor to this week's testing, we focused on checking out the daily iso's to see if they passed the basic install cases. This week has been testing for the actual alpha one milestone, expected to release June 7th.
[15:21] <balloons> * Met with Dave Murphy about possibilities for HEXR and a community hardware database. He demonstrated HEXR and we discussed some of the features we would require as a community database.
[15:21] <balloons> * Met with popey to discuss checkbox testing for the upcoming cycle
[15:22] <balloons> * Worked with Leann and kernel team to prep 12.10 kernel on 12.04 testing
[15:22] <balloons> * Tweaked packages qatracker with stgraber to enable 'calls for testing' support; setup tests for kernel testing
[15:23] <balloons> * Held progress meeting on qatracker with team
[15:23] <balloons> * Reviewed testcases on testcase wiki used for iso testing; cleaned up and removed old testcases
[15:23] <balloons> * Started work on setting up my own dev instance of qatracker; jcastro and friends at HP cloud might let me migrate to a real 'box' :-)
[15:24] <balloons> * Modified python iso metrics script using qatracker API to grab iso testing information for quantal
[15:24] <balloons> * Did a juju demo of my VIVO charm (needs a couple small tweaks to get into the store)
[15:24] <balloons> I think that is it ;-)
[15:24] <jono> thanks, balloons, any question for balloons?!
[15:24] <AlanBell>  . . . and applied for Ubuntu Membership I believe
[15:25] <jono> alrighty!
[15:26] <jono> next up, a man who could charm the crap out of  an old boot...jcastro!
[15:26] <jcastro> Welcome to my Amazing Weekly Report.
[15:26] <jcastro> (Note: Report will just be normal, Jorge overuses the word amazing.)
[15:26] <jcastro> Soundtrack for the week: Pink Floyd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4G7QJAkcg8#t=2m
[15:26]  * jono shocked
[15:26] <jono> lol
[15:26] <jcastro> ## DONE:
[15:26] <jcastro> - Final prep for OSCON
[15:26] <jcastro> - Shipping out juju flyers to all our events
[15:26] <jcastro> - Moved from spreadsheet based charm tracking to launchpad. (Easy, just took time)
[15:27] <jcastro> - Created patch pilot calendar and all that noise, we're now a smooth sailing ship: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/05/30/measuring-incoming-contributions/
[15:27] <jcastro> - Proposed free HP Cloud for ubuntu developers and collected people interested. Looking forward to seeing what people do with the free resources.
[15:27] <jcastro> ## DOING:
[15:27] <jcastro> - Hadoop blog post with mims, this is our first real scale test of juju, so really excited to share that with people.
[15:27] <jcastro> - Charm school plan for fall strata
[15:27] <jcastro> - 2 juju webinars this thursday with Mark Baker
[15:27] <jcastro> - Charm store queue almost to manageable levels, hopefully this week.
[15:27] <jcastro> - Start next work items for making "charm create" not suck
[15:27] <jcastro> - LXC/juju doc fixup.
[15:27] <jcastro> ##Other
[15:27] <jcastro> - Here's all my stuff on one page: http://strapello.com/user/jorgecastro
[15:27] <jcastro> - And here's my burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/jorge.html
[15:27] <jcastro> - Everyone should read this article, it explains why some people like to go raw (like on Amazon), and why some people need a full PaaS, it describes exactly where juju needs to be: http://rdegges.com/heroku-isnt-for-idiots
[15:27] <jcastro> also, I'm on holiday on friday
[15:28] <jcastro> that's all I got!
[15:28] <jcastro> QUESTIONS?!
[15:29] <balloons> is dark side of the moon really your favorite pink floyd albulm?
[15:30] <jcastro> No, The Wall.
[15:30] <jono> any questions for jcastro?
[15:30] <jono> ok
[15:30] <jono> I am next up
[15:31] <jono>  * Team:
[15:31] <jono>   * Started working in earnest on burndown items.
[15:31] <jono>   * Restarting our normal weekly calls after the post-UDS crazyness and blueprint documentation.
[15:31] <jono>  * App Devs:
[15:31] <jono>   * Humble Indie Bundle was released:
[15:31] <jono>    - Ran some press around this; reached out to journalists to spread the word. It has done really well in downloads and interest.
[15:31] <jono>    - Responded to user feedback and queries.
[15:31] <jono>    - Worked with the consumer apps team around some technical kinks.
[15:31] <jono>    - Built further strategy for further HIB content.
[15:31] <jono>    - Worked with dpm around an app dev competition which we will launch soon, with some awesome prizes!
[15:31] <jono>   * Worked with legal and engineering around how we can deliver flash games in Ubuntu better.
[15:32] <jono>   * Unblocked an RT ticket to get Disqus comments on developer.ubuntu.com
[15:32] <jono>  * QA:
[15:32] <jono>   * Putting plans in place with balloons milestone testing. We have a clear goal: *every* mandatory test for *every* ISO is run *before* a milestone ships.
[15:32]  * jono watches balloons shudder a little
[15:32] <jono>   * Fleshed out 12.10 kernel testing on 12.04 with balloons and Leann. Looking good.
[15:32] <jono>  * Travel:
[15:32] <jono>   * Finalized OSCON and Community Leadership Summit plans in July. Getting travel booked.
[15:32]  * balloons shudders a lot
[15:32] <jono>   * Reviewed some event speaker invitations.
[15:32] <jono>  * Ubuntu Accomplishments:
[15:32] <jono>   * Worked with the community to get Ask Ubuntu badges in Ubuntu Accomplishments. They are now all in, most of which have docs, and all with tests.
[15:33] <jono>  * help with the final docs is needed! see - http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/3282/lets-integrate-ask-ubuntu-badges-with-the-operating-system/3283
[15:33] <jono>   * Ported battery to a Quickly project, fixed it for the 0.2 accomplishment schema, and packaged it ready for the 0.2 release.
[15:33] <jono>   * Ported server validation code to the 0.2 schema format and fixed some bugs. Still an odd bug in share acceptance, but will fix that soon.
[15:33] <jono>   * Set up Ask Ubuntu feature in the app to make it easy for users to post questions tagged correctly about Ubuntu Accomplishments.
[15:33] <jono>   * Worked with IS to define a forums API to support forums accomplishments.
[15:33] <jono>  * Improved various wiki docs
[15:33] <jono>   * 0.2 is released this week!
[15:34] <jono>  * Other:
[15:34] <jono>   * Did a few interviews.
[15:34] <jono>   * Wrote up a blog post about Gamification In Community for Black Duck.
[15:34] <jono>  * Grilled and Smoked my first ribs.
[15:34] <jono> any questions?
[15:34] <jcastro> more info on disqus?
[15:34] <jcastro> like, will we be able to use it on all properties?
[15:35] <mhall119> are you talking to any of the forums folks about the API?  Also, once there is an API, we can use it for Unity lenses/scopes
[15:35] <jono> jcastro, I suspect so
[15:35] <jono> it will be deployed to d.u.c this week
[15:35]  * jcastro nods
[15:35] <jono> they did a security assessment
[15:35] <jcastro> oh ok, excellent
[15:35] <jono> mhall119, IS are reviewing if they can do the work
[15:36] <mhall119> ok
[15:36] <jono> mhall119, I have asked for a simple web service
[15:36] <jono> but they are naturally super-paranoid about not giving out personal info
[15:36] <jono> the data we have requested is not personal though
[15:36] <mhall119> understandable
[15:36] <jono> and already exposed mostly on the forums
[15:36] <mhall119> will it allow searching the forum posts?
[15:36] <dpm> jcastro, https://portal.admin.canonical.com/50775
[15:36] <jono> mhall119, it will show number of posts for a user
[15:37] <jono> but now allow searching for specific posts
[15:37] <jono> not
[15:37] <mhall119> would that be possible?
[15:37] <jono> don't know
[15:37] <mhall119> there was a desire to add a forums scope into the Help lens
[15:37] <jono> you will have to talk to IS
[15:37] <jcastro> ;_; so close
[15:37] <mhall119> ok
[15:37] <jono> mhall119, I don't see why it would not be possible
[15:38] <jono> any other topics for discussion?
[15:39] <jono> ok
[15:39] <jono> lets wrap it!
[15:39] <jono> thanks, folks!
[15:39] <jcastro> WRAP!
[15:39] <jono> #endmeeting
[15:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  5 15:39:21 2012 UTC.
[15:39] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-06-05-15.00.moin.txt
[15:39] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-06-05-15.00.html
[15:39] <dholbach> yeehaw :)
[15:39] <jcastro> jono: unrelated question
[15:39] <jcastro> jono: I'm picking up a Blue microphone for G+, etc ...
[15:39] <jono> jcastro, sure
[15:39] <jcastro> you recommend $brand microphone stands
[15:39] <jcastro> fill in the blank ^^
[15:40] <snap-l> $brand = "not stepping on"
[15:40] <jono> jcastro, tbh, it doesn't really matter, just get a sturdy one - pay over $40 and you will get a good one
[15:40] <jono> you might want to look itno a tabletop one if you are sat down
[15:40] <jcastro> indeed
[15:40] <jcastro> k, I was just wondering if there was some epic metal one everyone lusts after
[15:40] <jono> jcastro, bkerensa ok, so I am going to do my Reddit AMA today
[15:40] <jcastro> SO I CAN OWN IT
[15:40] <jono> at 10am Pacific
[15:40] <jono> can you guys help?
[15:41] <snap-l> jcastro: Just head to Guitar Center
[15:41] <snap-l> or Musicians Friend
[15:41] <jcastro> jono: count me in
[15:41] <jcastro> I need to get this hadoop one done
[15:41] <snap-l> They have them on sale usually 6 days out of the week
[15:41] <jcastro> which I am doing now
[15:41] <jono> thanks, man
[15:41] <jcastro> snap-l: excellent, when I come back we'll go together! :)
[15:42] <snap-l> I think when I ordered my XLR mic on Musicians Friend, the mic stand was something like $15 - $20
[15:42] <snap-l> I think rick_h has it now
[15:42] <snap-l> or it's in the garage or something. ;)
[15:42] <jono> jcastro, btw, I went in and fixed all the categories in the AU accoms
[15:43] <snap-l> Blue mic comes with one.
[15:43] <jono> so if someone adds an old cat, I can fix it no problem
[15:43] <jono> jcastro, marcoceppi any chance you could have one final push on the AU docs?
[15:43] <jono> dpm, around?
[15:44] <dpm> jono, yeah
[15:44] <jono> dpm, can we do a quick G+?
[15:44] <jono> also mhall119, you too
[15:44] <jono> :-)
[15:44] <dpm> sure, just a sec
[15:44] <mhall119> sure
[15:45] <jono> dholbach, you too :-)
[15:45] <jono> invite sent
[15:45] <dholbach> sure
[15:45] <dpm> jono, would you mind resending the invite?
[15:45] <dpm> it tells me server error
[15:46] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f71e46a2bc85e54fed19527144d28151b81333ac?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:46] <dpm> thanks
[15:57] <jcastro> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4069164
[15:57] <jcastro> I could use some upvotes there
[15:58] <jcastro> bkerensa: I could use a hand spreading that ^^^
[15:59] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/um87e/scaling_a_2000node_hadoop_cluster_on_ec2ubuntu/
[15:59] <jcastro> upboats there too pls
[16:07] <mhall119> 1/w 38
[16:07] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you all tomorrow! :)
[16:08] <balloons> bye dholbach !
[16:08] <dholbach> bye my friends :)
[16:08] <jcastro> only 3 upvoates! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4069164
[16:09] <jcastro> come on people, daddy needs to eat tonight!! it's just an openid
[16:46] <jono> jcastro, bkerensa, mhall119 ok, I am going to do my reddit AMA in 15mins
[16:46] <jono> should I post it now?
[16:47] <AlanBell> reddit based jono baiting, sounds fun to me :)
[16:47] <jono> lol
[16:48] <nigelb> hahah
[16:48] <jcastro> jono: post it when you're going to do it
[16:48] <jcastro> because once it's on the site the questions come in
[16:48] <jono> jcastro, ok, I will do it now
[16:49] <jcastro> if you wait 15 minutes without responding people will think you bailed
[16:49] <jono> on the main AMA page right?
[16:49] <jcastro> yeah, unless you wanted to do it on the subreddit
[16:49] <jcastro> but let's go big or go home!
[16:49] <jono> main one
[16:49] <jono> one sec
[16:49] <jono> posting now
[16:50] <jcastro> jono: ok when you post link it here
[16:50] <jcastro> and then tweet it
[16:50] <jono> jcastro, http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/
[16:50] <jcastro> and I'll handle the rest.
[16:50] <AlanBell> Canonicalk? typo or something I don't understand?
[16:51] <AlanBell> must be a typo. Good word though, should mean something.
[16:51] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/umay8/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/
[16:52] <jcastro> I need upvotes on this please!
[16:52] <jcastro> to get the cross traffic
[16:52] <jono> AlanBell, fixed
[16:54] <jcastro> jono: ok, questions coming in
[16:55] <jcastro> jono: when you are done do an "EDIT: ok everyone, thanks for all the questions!" so they know when you're done.
[16:55] <jcastro> or something like that
[17:06] <jono> thanks jcastro
[17:54] <jcastro> hah
[17:54] <jcastro> my favorite unity comment
[17:54] <jcastro> "is near unusable for a lot of power users who do heavy development work and constantly need to switch applications"
[17:55] <jcastro> uhhh, alt tab and alt-` combined with the application switching is basically 34095830458 times better  now than it used to be.
[17:56] <jussi> jcastro: strange, I find the alt-tab behaviour in unity annoying - but then Im used to what kde has
[17:56] <jcastro> it's the cat's meow to me
[17:56] <jcastro> jono: hmm, your top 5 bands has some surprises to me
[17:57] <jono> out of questions
[17:57] <jono> :-)
[17:57] <jussi> jcastro: I really like this: http://thinkmoult.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/2008-12-11-185616_1280x800_scrot.png
[17:57] <not_found> silly question... why reddit?
[17:57] <jono> not_found, seems like a good place to do it
[17:58] <not_found> ok
[17:58] <jcastro> jussi: that looks too complicated to me
[18:01] <jussi> jcastro: fair enough - see this little video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J51CAi_Fzbs (without the top bar)
[18:11] <mhall119> 1/w 38/w 38
[18:13] <mhall119> jcastro: I hate window switching on every other platform now
[18:14] <mhall119> every time I hit alt+2 and it doesn't take me to my email, I cry inside
[18:14] <mhall119> super+2, sorry
[18:14] <bkerensa> jono: I left u one
[18:14] <bkerensa> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/c4wmwwi
[18:18] <AlanBell> alt-tab was been fixed quite a lot in 12.04 late in the dev cycle, but I find alt-double tab doesn't do the right thing
[18:22] <mhall119> doubl tab?
[18:22] <AlanBell> yeah, I want it to take me to the window (not app) that had focus second to last
[18:23] <AlanBell> but I will accept that the target audience does not keep a full mental map of the z-order of more than two windows
[18:26] <mhall119> ah, I see, I never went more than one window back
[18:35] <snap-l> I think you one-windowers need to use DOS for a while
[18:35] <snap-l> Multiple overlapping windows = big deal
[18:55] <jono> wow, this person is a piece of work: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/c4wmo6a
[18:56] <pleia2> ^^ why we don't move Ask Mark to reddit ;)
[18:57] <jono> pleia2, I think it would make sense
[18:57] <pleia2> it's a hostile, abusive place (try using a female nick there, it's loads of fun)
[18:57] <pleia2> much better to keep things at home where we are safe :)
[18:58] <bkerensa> I think lots of women use reddit
[18:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: the lady who fixed the UWN perl script for instance :)
[18:59] <pleia2> bkerensa: and lots of women play video games too, in spite of fatuglyorslutty.com, doesn't mean it's pleasant
[19:00] <bkerensa> pleia2: heh as a gamer I can say surely that plenty of women pwn me :)
[19:00] <snap-l> pleia2: so, is that link SFW? :)
[19:00] <pleia2> have to have a thicker skin than I to participate though
[19:00] <bkerensa> snap-l: not much
[19:00] <pleia2> snap-l: no, it's comments from women who game, they are nsfw
[19:00] <pleia2> er, comments that women who game *get* and then share
[19:01] <snap-l> Lovely.
[19:01] <snap-l> I'm not sure which is worse: Youtube comments, or comments in video games
[19:01] <bkerensa> idk... I think likely games
[19:02] <snap-l> bkerensa: you had to think about it. :)
[19:02] <jcastro> popey: which esata card did you get for your micro?
[19:02] <pleia2> or comments on reddit ;)
[19:02] <bkerensa> snap-l: I try not to read youtube comments though
[19:02] <bkerensa> :D
[19:02] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah but reddit is purely for the lulz with a little dash of seriousness here and there
[19:02] <bkerensa> :P
[19:03]  * bkerensa mostly is on /r/politics /r/ubuntu /r/linux which stays mostly calm :)
[19:03] <pleia2> yeah, it's not very fun
[19:03] <snap-l> Most of the time I find reddit comments on-par with most other sites
[19:03] <snap-l> but I don't follow a lot of charged discussions either
[19:03] <bkerensa> ^ winning
[19:04] <jcastro> the absolute worst have to be either youtube or facebook
[19:09] <AlanBell> I am astonished at how faily people are on facebook when it is all in front of their family and friends
[19:09] <nigelb> youtube wins. *anyday*
[19:10] <snap-l> youtube comments are just cruel and mean
[19:10] <snap-l> They're like the public toilet of the Internet
[19:11] <jcastro> we have more pressing problems
[19:11] <jcastro> http://mashable.com/2012/06/05/nickelbacking/
[19:11] <jcastro> this is basically my worst nightmare
[19:12] <snap-l> You sure creeding wouldn't be up there?
[19:12] <jcastro> Well, Mark Tremonti is a good guitar player though
[19:12] <bkerensa> AlanBell: I think 90% of people on FB just don't care about their fail
[19:13] <jcastro> so this is infinitely worse.
[19:13] <bkerensa> Twitter can be bad too
[19:13] <snap-l> jcastro: You know what would be my worst nightmare? locked in a room with creed / nickelback playing, and no way to shut it off
[19:13] <bkerensa> ASUS had an epic fail on Twitter the other day with their sexist tweet
[19:14] <snap-l> bkerensa: correction: some PR firm for Asus. ;)
[19:14] <snap-l> I'd be very surprised if Asus was manning their tweet-stream
[19:14] <bkerensa> snap-l: yeah where were they presenting?
[19:15] <bkerensa> snap-l: PR firms are ruthless =/
[19:16] <popey> jcastro: it came with the external array
[19:16] <snap-l> bkerensa: Just goes to show, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
[19:16] <popey> 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01)
[19:17] <popey> ^^ might be that jcastro
[19:17] <jcastro> k
[19:18] <popey> jono: you know that message you just posted on facebook about humble bundle
[19:18] <jono> grabbing lunch, and then will look into more questions
[19:18] <popey> jono: limbo (one of the games) isn't native
[19:18] <jono> popey, which one?
[19:18] <popey> jono: it's shipped with wine
[19:18] <jono> popey, whatever
[19:18] <popey> hah
[19:18] <popey> ookay
[19:18] <jono> it runs on Ubuntu natively :-)
[19:19] <popey> yes boss
[19:19] <jono> it might be in wine, but it still runs on our platform :-)
[19:20] <snap-l> Title: Ubuntu Store is just a front for Windows Games!
[19:20] <bkerensa> jono: there is a petition on reddit asking Humble Bundle to only ship native games ;)
[19:20] <bkerensa> snap-l: +1
[19:20] <snap-l> Jono Bacon condones this evil practice!
[19:20] <jono> lol
[19:20] <popey> sorry, just realised that was an old post i was looking at
[19:21] <jono> bkerensa, I saw that
[19:21] <jono> I think people are missing the point
[19:21] <bkerensa> btw that EA guy was so wrong.... SIMS 3 does not run with Wine :( despite what even wine-hq says
[19:25] <AlanBell> bkerensa: yes, I am aware of the asus thing, there was an Ubuntu community member who's tweet about it was quoted in the Huffington post article and as a result of that she received a barage of tweets calling her an ugly whore
[19:26] <bkerensa> AlanBell:  =/
[19:26] <bkerensa> thats not good
[19:26] <AlanBell> indeed not
[19:27] <snap-l> I don't understand that
[19:42] <marcoceppi> AlanBell: classy.
[19:49]  * technoviking facepalms
[19:51] <technoviking> a group of junior high schooler took a tour of my office, one saw my office and yelled out "I love Ubuntu" :D
[19:56] <Pici> nice
[19:57] <mhall119> wine is native
[19:57] <snap-l> mhall119: Wine is not native
[19:57] <czajkowski> I tend to direct all wine related questions to YokoZar
[19:58] <snap-l> it's a fragile compatability layer
[19:58] <mhall119> snap-l: it's compiled natively for Linux, thus wine is a native library
[20:00] <snap-l> It's a clever way to run Windows-native code, but it is not native
[20:00] <snap-l> it's a handful of tricks to make a Windows program think it's running native
[20:00] <snap-l> and it is prone to break
[20:01] <snap-l> which is why I ran TaxAct in a VM this tax season instead of via Wine.
[20:01] <mhall119> so are lots of portability libraries
[20:01] <mhall119> do you consider all portabile libraries to be non-native?
[20:01] <snap-l> and why I have to run Civilization 4 in a VM instead of Wine
[20:01] <mhall119> or just the ones that are for APIs that weren't originally designed to be portable?
[20:01] <jcastro> we should keep arguing about it
[20:01] <jcastro> because it's important
[20:02]  * jcastro tries not to make fun of you two.
[20:02] <mhall119> +1
[20:02] <mhall119> more arguing
[20:02] <mhall119> but only native arguing
[20:02] <snap-l> WEll, I get irritated when someone says Wine is native
[20:02] <mhall119> no arguing with wine
[20:02] <mhall119> beer only
[20:02] <snap-l> because Windows is not designed for portability
[20:03] <snap-l> Mono / Java I'd consider Mono / Java code.
[20:03] <snap-l> They're designed for a VM that can run portably
[20:03] <mhall119> how about Mesa?
[20:04] <mhall119> glibc?
[20:04] <snap-l> need more context
[20:04] <snap-l> You mean the Open GL stuff?
[20:04] <mhall119> yeah
[20:04] <snap-l> If there's a compilation to binary code, I'd consider that native
[20:05] <technoviking> could Unity be re-code to run in Wine :) BWHAHAHA!!!
[20:05] <mhall119> unless the compiled binary calls compiled binary functions in wine
[20:05] <snap-l> if Wine is used at a library level to provide compatability for Windows code to run on Linux, then I'd say it's native
[20:05] <mhall119> that's *all* wine does
[20:06] <AlanBell> it is, which is why windows x86 binaries won't run on ARM under wine
[20:06] <AlanBell> a theoretical windows ARM binary would though
[20:07] <snap-l> I still feel Wine is an incredibly fragile hack
[20:07] <mhall119> so?  we have lots of incredibly fragile hacks that we still call "native"
[20:07]  * AlanBell feels the unity top bar shadow is an incredibly fragile hack
[20:07] <mhall119> and in all fairness, Limbo runs on my Ubuntu laptop better than it does on my wife's Windows 7 laptop
[20:08] <snap-l> I still prefer Windows to not be a part of my enjoyment of my OS. :)
[20:08] <snap-l> I'm no mono hater, though. I still run Banshee
[20:09] <snap-l> But to call it Linux native is a stretch. It's just cleverly concealed from the fact that it's running under Linux.
[20:10] <snap-l> Which I'm fine with. :)
[20:10] <czajkowski> ah I think I'll go back to my holiday mode :)
[20:10] <czajkowski> bye bye irc :)
[20:10] <daker-cloud> czajkowski: how can i delete a BP ? => https://blueprints.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+spec/currency-as-variable-passowrd
[20:11] <snap-l> czajkowski: In holiday mode, you can still hear the pissing contests of geeks on the net. ;)
[20:13] <mhall119> popey: I'm absolutely *loving* the battery life on this x220
[20:15] <popey> good innit? ☺
[20:18] <mhall119> I'd almost forgotten than laptops were meant to be mobile
[20:19]  * snap-l feels he has to disagree with mhall119, just on principle. ;)
[20:21] <mhall119> snap-l: you can't disagree with this battery life, it's a proven fact
[20:22] <snap-l> It counteracts my made-up laws oof physics or something
[20:58] <mhall119> popey: single mouse button, space wallpaper, how could I resist?
[21:11] <balloons> mhall119, forgot laptops were intended to be mobile.. I know the feeling
[21:12] <balloons> after a few hours use and with the battery still at 70% I still feel almost compelled to plugin
[21:31] <jono> jcastro, around?
[22:20] <daker-cloud> does anyone have an answer https://plus.google.com/101694416703170881163/posts/D6cC4aKBUoQ ?
[22:25]  * IdleOne guesses American English and the rest of the world who does it correctly
[23:39] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/umyk2/help_earn_the_humble_indie_bundle_more_money/ upvote for the humble indie bundle!
[23:41] <daker-cloud> mhall119: http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/06/help-earn-the-humble-indie-bundle-more-money/#comment-25143
[23:44] <mhall119> daker-cloud: like it or not, Facebook is still where the vast, vast majority of people are