[08:21] <hads> evening
[08:48] <ibeardslee> evening
[08:59] <ibeardslee> hads that DVBS card you mentioned on twitter .. what sort of grunt does it need on the PC?
[20:18] <ajmitch> morning
[20:23] <thomi> morning all
[20:29] <Atamira> morena
[20:35] <chilts> morning
[20:55] <ajmitch> from the look of things, dunedin missed most of the fun weather again
[21:05] <thumper> morning
[21:05] <hads> ibeardslee: None really, DVB cards just dump an MPEG stream to disk.
[21:05] <hads> or to whatever.
[21:21] <mwhudson> morning
[22:17] <kcj> Morning.
[22:22] <snail> morning
[23:37] <ojwb> morning
[23:46] <chilts> anyone seen the sun yet? or even venus?
[23:46] <chilts> fmarier: you probably have?
[23:46] <chilts> thumper: how about down south?
[23:46] <chilts> Wellington is grotty
[23:46] <thumper> yep
[23:46] <thumper> clear skies here
[23:46] <thumper> seen the small dot that is venus
[23:47] <thumper> the only thing I can say is "seen it"
[23:47] <thumper> not overly exciting
[23:47] <fmarier> chilts: cloudly here too :(
[23:47]  * ajmitch should go out & stare at the sun for a bit
[23:48] <ojwb> is it normal for ISP to charge you a substantial amount for moving house?
[23:48] <ojwb> it seems it's cheaper to get a new ISP at the new house, which doesn't make much commercial sense
[23:48] <ojwb> or do they usually waive it if prodded
[23:50] <chilts> thumper: lucky you :)
[23:50] <chilts> I'll have to wait for my next life
[23:50] <chilts> ojwb: when TelstraClear wanted to charge me for moving, I said I'll quit and then reconnect for free
[23:50] <chilts> they said they'll waive the fee
[23:50] <chilts> I had it out with them for about 15 mins on the phone
[23:50] <chilts> just threaten to leave and they'll waive it
[23:51] <chilts> they charge you since they think they can get away with it - don't let them :)
[23:52] <ojwb> ok, i suspected as much
[23:52] <ojwb> also seems they charge you for *moving to them from a different ISP*
[23:52] <ojwb> which similarly seems a bad commercial idea
[23:52] <ajmitch> wasn't part of that set by the commerce commission?
[23:53] <mwhudson> i hope if vodafone do buy telstraclear, they fire the entire customer support wing
[23:53] <chilts> I hope vodafone don't buy TelstraClear, since Vodafone are shit themselves
[23:53] <mwhudson> well
[23:54] <mwhudson> they're an isp/telco
[23:54] <mwhudson> of course they're rubbish
[23:54] <mwhudson> but i had much better interactions with voda support than telstraclear
[23:55] <ojwb> when we had TC cable about 4 years ago, they seemed incompetent but good at fixing it
[23:55] <ojwb> like a wiring charge would appear on the bill despite us declining to take it, and they'd fix it quickly
[23:58] <ojwb> seems somehow appropriate that the transit of venus is hidden behind thick clouds
[23:58] <ajmitch> perhaps for your part of the country