[08:21] evening [08:48] evening [08:59] hads that DVBS card you mentioned on twitter .. what sort of grunt does it need on the PC? [20:18] morning [20:23] morning all [20:29] morena [20:35] morning [20:55] from the look of things, dunedin missed most of the fun weather again [21:05] morning [21:05] ibeardslee: None really, DVB cards just dump an MPEG stream to disk. [21:05] or to whatever. [21:21] morning [22:17] Morning. [22:22] morning [23:37] morning [23:46] anyone seen the sun yet? or even venus? [23:46] fmarier: you probably have? [23:46] thumper: how about down south? [23:46] Wellington is grotty [23:46] yep [23:46] clear skies here [23:46] seen the small dot that is venus [23:47] the only thing I can say is "seen it" [23:47] not overly exciting [23:47] chilts: cloudly here too :( [23:47] * ajmitch should go out & stare at the sun for a bit [23:48] is it normal for ISP to charge you a substantial amount for moving house? [23:48] it seems it's cheaper to get a new ISP at the new house, which doesn't make much commercial sense [23:48] or do they usually waive it if prodded [23:50] thumper: lucky you :) [23:50] I'll have to wait for my next life [23:50] ojwb: when TelstraClear wanted to charge me for moving, I said I'll quit and then reconnect for free [23:50] they said they'll waive the fee [23:50] I had it out with them for about 15 mins on the phone [23:50] just threaten to leave and they'll waive it [23:51] they charge you since they think they can get away with it - don't let them :) [23:52] ok, i suspected as much [23:52] also seems they charge you for *moving to them from a different ISP* [23:52] which similarly seems a bad commercial idea [23:52] wasn't part of that set by the commerce commission? [23:53] i hope if vodafone do buy telstraclear, they fire the entire customer support wing [23:53] I hope vodafone don't buy TelstraClear, since Vodafone are shit themselves [23:53] well [23:54] they're an isp/telco [23:54] of course they're rubbish [23:54] but i had much better interactions with voda support than telstraclear [23:55] when we had TC cable about 4 years ago, they seemed incompetent but good at fixing it [23:55] like a wiring charge would appear on the bill despite us declining to take it, and they'd fix it quickly [23:58] seems somehow appropriate that the transit of venus is hidden behind thick clouds [23:58] perhaps for your part of the country