[05:18] Goeiemôre , goodmorning === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:38] o/ [06:46] \o [07:04] good morning [07:05] * HawkiesZA looks at charlvn sleepily [07:05] Good? [07:26] Maaz: coffee aub [07:26] charlvn: Sorry... [07:26] Maaz: coffee please [07:26] charlvn: There isn't a pot on [07:26] Maaz: you suck [07:26] charlvn: Huh? [07:26] Maaz: coffee on [07:26] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:26] that's better :) [07:30] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [07:31] * mazal needs a Maaz in his office :) [07:31] Maaz: coffee please [07:31] charlvn: There isn't a pot on [07:32] lol dunno how this works but ok [07:32] mazal: i could think of better maids than maaz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maid_caf%C3%A9 [09:17] jeez mIRC is crap O_o just freakn times out and falls over === NeVeR_ is now known as RPM === RPM is now known as NeVeR_ [09:22] Everyone liking 12.04? [09:26] haven't tried it [09:26] 4real? [09:27] my stack is very stable [09:27] NeVeR_: i used mirc for years, never had that experience myself, perhaps it's just the new versions [09:27] been using it since beta 2.. no problems so far [09:28] NeVeR_: but yes, liking 12.04, i am having some issues with gnome3 though [09:28] probably new versions lol... Im using 7.12 or something [09:28] getting a bunch of crashes and error reports and stuff of some of the components [09:28] I haven't tried ubuntu desktop.. only server :| [09:28] well 12.04 [09:28] only real trouble i have with stuff crashing on a regular basis are desktop components, rarely server components [09:29] although my server is still running on 11.10 [09:29] don't have much need to upgrade it yet but will probably soon [09:30] I upgraded all my servers :) it was so painless :D Only thing that I had trouble with was going from dovecot 1 to dovecot 2 [09:30] couldn't find any documentatio [09:30] couldn't find any documentation [09:30] yeah i don't use dovecot, i use mutt directly on the server [09:31] i used dovecot back in 2005/2006, quite a nice application [09:32] mmm [09:32] if anyone is in joburg and needs a hotel [09:32] i use dovecot + postfix [09:32] the sandton towers intercontinental can be recommended [09:32] god thats a nice hotel to stay in [09:32] lol expensive? [09:32] Symmetria: i bet... and expensive :) [09:33] charlvn *shrug* all gets billed back to the clients anyway [09:33] lol nice [09:33] NeVeR_: yeah postfix+mutt here [09:34] charlvn heh, as a private contractor, those things are also tax deductable [09:34] and the more shit I can rack up to write off to tax the better, I pay enough tax as it is :p [09:34] Symmetria: that's true [09:34] i used to work as a contractor as well [09:34] with all the deductions i ended up saving a lot of money [09:34] lol, a while back my accountant warned me I was gonna have a huge tax bill if I didnt find something to write off [09:35] then you can even go a step up, don't live in any particular country for too long, and not pay tax at all [09:35] so I upgraded a flight from london to south africa from economy to first class [09:35] and wrote the upgrade cost off, business expense [09:35] (which it was a business trip) [09:35] lol, 3 thousand GBP write off :p [09:35] yeah totally, good thinking [09:35] nice [09:35] heh, the contracting market that Im working in right now is fantastic though [09:36] Ive gotta make a choice, either start turning away work, or form a full company and hire staff [09:36] if you don't mind traveling, it's the way to work in ict honestly [09:36] cause there is way more work than I can actually do out there [09:36] i just got tired of all the traveling eventually [09:36] charlvn well, most of my work I can do remotely, though I do also travel extensively for one of my clients [09:37] that's true but once you start a company and hire staff, you start becoming a manager and have all of that to deal with [09:37] heh, so far this year its been london, germany, norway, iceland, senegal, gambia, uganda [09:37] not bad [09:37] lisbon, dubai, nairobi and dar es salaam still left for the year [09:37] jeez [09:37] sheesh [09:37] Share the love? [09:38] charlvn heh yeah, and the simple fact is I dont really need to make any more money than I do, which is the only reason to open a company [09:38] one upside... you get to see the world that way :) [09:38] yeah exactly [09:38] I mean, the money in the network consultancy market at the moment in africa is beyond insane, I have no idea why ANYONE would emigrate [09:38] I went to Amsterdam once on company expense... won a trip for "Most positive employee"... I dont even know how that happened... don [09:38] dont remember being positive at work ever [09:38] lol [09:38] maybe it's just because you weren't negative all the time :) [09:39] lol [09:39] its relatively easy to make R250k a month in africa working in network consultancy at the moment [09:39] R250k a month?! WTF? [09:39] that's quite heavy [09:39] I dont even earn a 10th of that a month :\ [09:39] * HawkiesZA has a coughing fit [09:40] *shrug* its around $200 an hour, 8 hours a day, 22 days a month [09:40] at current exchange rate its around R281k a month :p [09:40] The trick is to get paid in dollars [09:40] heh hawkies I only bill in dollars [09:40] i guess it does make sense [09:40] even to my south african clients [09:41] Better to do it that way [09:41] yeah the currencies fluctuate so much these days [09:41] They'd be shocked to see what it is in ZAR [09:41] might as well standardise on a major currency [09:41] good point HawkiesZA [09:41] *shrug* the best part of all of this is that I would say 70% of my work I can do from a notebook in a deckchair on the beach :p [09:41] HawkiesZA actually, Ive found that corporate clients like big bills, it gives them this wierd sense of security [09:42] that's very true [09:42] if you underbill they think they need to find someone more expensive because more expensive MUST mean better :p [09:42] i found that as well [09:42] if you pay for a consultant they better be expensive [09:42] Do they also have a preference for oddly-numbered bills? [09:42] Instead of just $1000 you make it $1052.89 or something [09:43] heh then it looks more accurate and not like you're just taking them for money [09:43] Make it look like you did the maffs [09:43] heh hawkies, that I dont do, I charge $200 an hour, no partial hours :p [09:43] it looks like you genuinely worked it out [09:43] and thats explicitly stated [09:43] ah, ok [09:43] Fair enough [09:44] (when I say no partial hours though, its a daily roundup, so if I do 30 minutes for you today its 1 hour, if I do 3 30 minute segments spread over teh day, its 2 hours for the day) [09:44] my billing system does auto roundup per client to nearest hour at the end of each day [09:44] good system [09:45] btw, if anyone is ever staying in bloemfontein (though why anyone would be doing that, I dont know, but I found myself with a client there) [09:45] lol [09:45] the windmill hotel and casino = nice hotel, and if you have a sun international mvg card, you get HUGE discounts on the hotel [09:45] it becomes the cheapest 5 star hotel in the country if you have that mvg card :p [09:45] like 600 bux a night [09:45] lol [09:46] 600 ZAR? [09:46] that's not bad at all [09:47] For 5 stars? Bargain [09:47] yeah no kidding [09:52] heh, its better than the 4.5k for the hotel in joburg [09:56] ouch [09:56] lol but *shrug* if Im on the road and travelling, I need comfort to at least get some rest [09:59] that's very true [10:20] lol [10:49] how do you get into network consultency? [10:49] tancy8 [10:50] 8 [10:50] * [10:50] shift R broken [10:50] at least now we know why internet costs in SA are so high :P [10:51] :P [10:51] sorry [10:51] These damn British Network Consultants are making it too high :( fml [11:43] NeVeR_: the key is to specialise and then it's all about having the right reputation and connections [11:43] Banlam: yup [11:45] I wouldn't even know where to start :P I think I [11:46] I think I should hit the books [11:46] I reckon the only way I'll make it is to get some qualifications... Its impossible to get a name working where I currently am [11:47] in ict experience > qualifications [11:49] i have no qualifications other than a b.sc. [11:49] I have 5 years experience as a System Administrator, no one wants to hire me [11:50] I have no qualifications [11:50] I have matrix [11:50] I have matric [11:50] rofl [11:50] matrix :P [11:50] neo? [11:50] :D [11:50] i can haz teh matrix [11:50] Was about to say...Matrix....Daum, you're 1337 [11:50] yup [11:51] if your work bores you, you need a personal project [11:51] Mine is watching all the series [11:52] my hobby is watching anime series [11:52] and learning japanese [11:52] That sounds like fun [11:52] and talk to people on irc :P [11:52] I want to learn a third language [11:53] How do you go about learning Japanese? [11:53] but then i also do a lot of crap with *nix and ipv6 and python and sometimes java in my spare time [11:53] HawkiesZA: watch a lot of anime, subtitled not dubbed [11:53] then look up words you don't know [11:53] slowly you start learning the words, what they mean, and how they are used [11:53] better than learning japanese from the text book because then you don't learn how it's used in normal everyday speech [11:54] the phrasing, expressions, etc in japanese are totally different than western languages [11:54] you don't get that stuff from the book [11:54] I see [11:54] one simple example is words like "des" and "mas" [11:54] they don't translate [11:54] Suggestions for decent Anime? I haven't watched in years :/ [11:55] ghost in a shell, haruhi suzuima, macross zero, macross frontier [11:55] those are all classics [11:55] working! is also very good [11:55] baby please kill me is also good [11:55] I've only watched Ghost in a shell [11:55] i'm following acchi kocchi atm [11:56] lucky star is another classic [11:57] * HawkiesZA takes notes [11:57] mawaru penguindrum also recommended [11:57] i could carry on [12:00] bbl [12:04] * superfly has no time for watching series, he has open source projects to work on [12:05] superfly is a better man than I [12:05] HawkiesZA: it's all about priorities [12:05] Oh, and I refuse to be a pirate. [12:06] Hayes of to you superfly , didn't think there are any left ;-) [12:06] Hates even [12:06] Hats even [12:06] boy I must be tired [12:07] superfly: that's good, what are you working on atm? [12:11] charlvn: My big open source app is one called OpenLP [12:12] I have a couple of others, but I don't usually have much time for them [12:14] ah ok, nice [12:14] that's the problem, i program the whole day for work [12:14] then i don't have too much energy left for too many serious side projects outside of that [12:14] if i do get some time i just do some random research & development to stay up to date [12:25] damn! I thought I was expensive, I phoned my accountant to get one certified letter saying certain things which I dictated them, and they charged me R750 for a letter [12:26] R750 for a letter? ffffff!@!%%% [12:27] if it took them 30 minutes to type out and sign then they are on par with u :P [12:29] lol no they would still be cheaper :P but it couldnt have taken them more than 15 minutes which makes them slightly more expensive :p [12:29] haha I have no issues charging my rates, I have definate issues paying them [12:29] haha [12:30] yeah that's typical :P [12:31] Symmetria: http://i.imgur.com/JttmE.png [12:38] rofl [12:39] lol [12:50] http://perplexa.be/foto.jpg <=== lol, a friend of mine in a bit of crap [12:50] :p [12:56] wow [12:56] but that is stupid [12:57] seeing as the speed limits are only in certain parts [12:57] so if you miss the sign that can happen quite easily [12:57] * Kerbero is glad to see it is an audi [13:00] yeah but seriously, 208kmph? [13:00] not that fast [13:00] it is the autobahn... [13:00] I do more than that on a daily basis :? [13:00] Only been arrested once [13:00] good [13:01] no seriously [13:01] yeah there are some roads where you can do it (in germany) [13:01] I have a CBR600rr [13:01] but that's FAST [13:01] 0-200 in under 20s [13:01] 208 on a CBR600? nah [13:01] 135kmph was the limit on that road [13:02] if you go 140 or even 150 but you go more than 200 you're being an asshole [13:02] my bike is limited at 260kmph [13:02] my gf's is limited at 300KM/h [13:03] :| [13:03] haha [13:03] her bike is on my name [13:03] I get all the fines :( [13:03] Hopefully not all the demerits [13:04] Lol there are no demerits yet.. I had to go to court the other day, R1500 fine for 122 in a 80 zone :\ she did pay for it [13:05] i wonder who was with that guy in the car... there is a white square [13:05] i wonder if that was done by the guy who uploaded it or by the government [13:05] the white squire is the driver [13:06] ua [13:06] because i know sometimes they do it because guys get caught for cheating on their wives like this [13:06] lol [13:06] bull that is not the driver [13:06] that is the passenger [13:06] hehe [13:06] true [13:06] so the driver is not even looking at the road [13:07] the driver seems to be looking at the road [13:07] he is looking dead right in front of him no? [13:08] heh his number plate reads 666 [13:08] the beast checking in [13:09] lol [13:12] heh [13:12] 208 isnt that bad [13:12] I've done *WAY* more than that on the bloem -> east london stretch [13:13] heh, still not close to what I've done on that road through namibia to the border though [13:17] phew [13:17] you people are maniacs [13:17] it's people like you why i don't like to drive :P [13:17] i rather use public transport [13:18] in europe i always use public transport [13:18] but in SA not [13:18] well in .za there is no public transport [13:18] exactly [13:18] other than a minibus taxi and who wants to use that [13:26] I've never used one :O [13:27] thought about it... would cost me R12/day to get to work and back instead of R50 a day [13:27] then again I can't handle traffic in my own car.. being in traffic in a taxi would kill me [13:41] yup [13:47] cheers everyone [14:19] afternoon everyone [14:20] one thing worse than no internet connection is no power at all [14:20] hi Kilos [14:20] bah [14:34] just looking through the new Unity guide. I could maybe get used to it [14:34] at least the colour is good [14:34] hi zeref [14:35] yo zeref [14:36] herro Kilos [14:37] lol [14:58] ... [15:06] bbl gotta go look for a missing sheep [15:06] grr [17:19] hallo iedereen :) [17:29] kilos is nie hier nie? [17:44] hi not_found superfly and others [17:44] lo smile4linux [17:45] alo [17:45] hi Kilos :) [17:45] :D [17:45] hi psydroid [17:45] hi Kilos [17:46] hoi smiledlinux [17:46] smile4linux [17:46] psydroid: hallo :) [17:46] ^^ [17:46] file_not_found [17:46] psydroid: ek het 'n moeilike naam ;) [17:47] use a client that can do tab complete [17:47] smile4linux, jy heb gelyk [17:47] then just type first 3 letters [17:47] * jy het gelyk / jy is reg [17:47] I have to figure out how that works on android first [17:48] jy is krom [17:48] eish thats why i dont use cell for coming on here , i dunno where the tab button is [17:49] I can get the name from the user list [17:49] psydroid: ek is krom? :s [17:50] smile4linux en scheef [17:50] psydroid: ek snap jou nie :p [17:51] whew more to think about [17:51] neelsie hoekom so still? [17:51] smile4linux, ek snap nie myself ook nie, da syn wy twee [17:52] have you two joined our mailing list yet [17:52] vergeef my voor my sonde in die afrikaanse taal [17:52] what was it again, Kilos? [17:52] vergewe [17:52] psydroid: lol :p [17:53] sukkling uncle Kilos :p [17:53] aw wassup lad [17:54] who is kilos suckling? [17:54] trying to make bastion work in Ubuntu but the game crashes everytime I move the mouse " [17:54] psydroid, ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com [17:55] oh, I found out today that Kubuntu 12.04 prereleases worked fine on Nvidia hardware, but the release is a disaster [17:55] oh not_found thats not serious sukkeling [17:55] haha Banlam [17:55] Kilos, thanks [17:56] I should subscribe to the Dutch list too, finally [17:56] and a few other ones [17:56] lol... sukkel bly sukkel... oh and my current ubuntu install is working to well.. starting to get these cravings to distro hop again :/ [17:56] psydroid, i forget how to actually join [17:56] bastio is fun :) [17:57] Banlam, I would like to try it :( [17:57] Kilos, it's ok, I will figure it out [17:57] haha not_found you using 12.04 in unity [17:57] yes uncle Kilos [17:57] but have none of you had major graphics problems with the latest ubuntu? [17:57] i looked at the guide. i might be able to get used to unity [17:58] it looks like 3d acceleration does not function at all, everything feels so slow [17:58] flying on my system... Unity 5 is quick... [17:58] on nvidia with nouveau it's even unuseable [17:59] hmm, ok [17:59] I am running kubuntu here, though [17:59] I will install ubuntu alongside and see how it works [18:00] I have radeonhd 4200 graphics in my desktop, it should fly [18:01] the open source drivers are a joke :\ [18:01] then talk to the kubuntu guys [18:01] superfly, and inetpro [18:01] oh psydroid why i asked about our list i got a mail today about lpi stuff [18:01] Kilos, oh yeah, I will join asap [18:02] not_found, but they used to work fine, with the latest xorg in released kubuntu things started to go downhill [18:03] psydroid, I looked at the performance of them against the proprietary drivers and they suck in comparison... [18:04] not_found, ah, I will try them if I get a chance, I am scared of the proprietary driver to be honest [18:05] because the number of crashes they used to cause [18:05] because of* [18:06] installing the one that is default selected when you look fer restricted drivers has worked well for me... [18:06] just check because AMD has dropped support for some older cards... [18:07] hmmm [18:09] but with nvidia it has been a real problem, I can't even get as far as reaching the desktop [18:10] but maybe a fresh install will solve this [18:10] I will, maybe on a test install [18:12] I typically have to use nomodeset until I have the driver installed... then I had to override my screens eeid info as it was wrong... took some time but working like a charm now [18:13] thanks, I will keep that in mind [18:13] hopefully that will solve my issues with sluggishness [18:15] hi magespawn [18:15] hello magespawn [18:16] Hi Kilos psydroid [18:16] magespawn, how do you tab complete a nick with them droid thingies [18:16] good evening all [18:16] hiya charlvn [18:17] watching iron sky now [18:17] very nice film [18:17] I don't [18:17] whew then you gotta type well to get funny nicks right hey [18:18] Yup good practice [18:18] then you just start calling people things like, psy, mage and smile [18:18] ha ha ha [18:19] problem is just the user's client don't notify them of mentions [18:19] if their full nick isn't used i mean [18:19] yeah [18:20] true [18:20] but i have custom notifications [18:20] for Banny, Banlam [18:20] and several other variants [18:20] like lotsa the guys here they never say anything unless directed at them [18:20] you can nicely troll people like that too [18:20] but that's what the ignore function is for [18:21] lol troll them? [18:21] yeah just repeatedly use their names [18:21] and irritate them [18:21] when they're not here [18:21] kilos [18:21] how's it going kilos [18:21] you there kilos? [18:21] kilos! [18:21] that kind of thing [18:21] oh my then you wont get help tomorrow [18:21] we are all friends here [18:22]