[00:36] <stripe_> hi all, screen tearing and the machine locking up when playing HD youtube videos, nvidia gts450 card 295.53 driver 64bit xubuntu 12.04, any ideas?? thanks
[00:39] <GridCube> stripe_, disable the hardware acceleration
[00:39] <GridCube> and try again
[00:39] <stripe_> thanks grid cube
[00:39] <GridCube> !tab | stripe_
[01:00] <asterismo> GridCube > autocompletion in xchat?
[01:00] <GridCube> asterismo, yes
[01:00] <asterismo> it do not work for me
[01:01] <GridCube> why not?
[01:01] <asterismo> i dunno
[01:01] <asterismo> plugin maybe?
[01:01] <GridCube> don't know, but thats a bug
[01:02] <asterismo> oh
[01:02] <asterismo> now
[01:02] <asterismo> it worked
[01:02] <asterismo> maybe nickname has many options
[01:02] <asterismo> i wrote further more and it completed
[01:02] <asterismo> thanks
[01:03] <GridCube> oh yes if you type just a letter for a nick that has more than 6 example you get a list of all the usernames prompted to you
[01:03] <GridCube> try the b and [tab
[01:04] <GridCube> g and tab will complete me because im the only one with g
[01:04] <GridCube> :D
[01:04] <asterismo> oh, stripe_ was gone offline
[01:04] <asterismo> yeah
[01:04] <asterismo>  i wrote like "str"
[01:04] <asterismo> to see if it autocomplete for stripe_
[01:04] <GridCube> oh, but he was gone :P
[01:04] <asterismo> but it was gone offline
[01:05] <asterismo> so it didn't autocomplete
[01:05] <asterismo> now i got it
[01:05] <asterismo> nice!!!!!!
[01:05] <asterismo> so many years!!!!
[01:05] <asterismo> man!!!
[01:05] <asterismo> lol
[01:05] <asterismo> u come up with this!!!
[01:05] <GridCube> :P you can do the same in all the terminals
[01:05] <asterismo> great
[01:05] <GridCube> you dont have to type all the commands
[01:05] <asterismo> in terminals i knew
[01:06] <asterismo> not in xchat
[01:06] <GridCube> ;) it works in all chats
[01:06] <asterismo> i use al the time in terminals
[01:08] <asterismo> GridCube, do u know where are xfce panel settings stored? i want to change some layouts for a customized live CD
[01:08] <GridCube> when you say settings you mean? how it looks? or the launchers and plugins?
[01:13] <GridCube> i can see panel launchers on ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[01:13] <GridCube> but i have no idea how they work
[01:14] <xu-user> quick question: why does my browser launch after i log in?
[01:14] <xubuntu521> Hello?
[01:15] <GridCube> hello xubuntu521
[01:15] <GridCube> xu-user, you have a session stored
[01:15] <GridCube> it remembers your applications
[01:15] <xubuntu521> Hi Grid ;-)
[01:15] <xu-user> even if i close it and log off, it loads when i reboot the system
[01:15] <xubuntu521> I have a question
[01:16] <xu-user> how do i turn that off?
[01:16] <GridCube> yes, close a session with the "remember session" thicked, it should remember that you closed with no program open
[01:17] <GridCube> if it still happens then you probably have installed nautilus for some reason, it remembers sessions even if you tell it not to, because you must tell it not to from gnome and you obviously are not using gnome
[01:17] <GridCube> that one fixes if you uninstall nautilus
[01:17] <xu-user> now that you mention it, i think i have nautilus
[01:17] <GridCube> !ask | xubuntu521
[01:18] <xu-user> it was required for dropbox to work on my system
[01:20] <xubuntu521> Ok, I'm real new at this.  I have a Dell 2400 desktop with WIN XP HOME on it.  I'm also a ham radio operator.  I was going to install Xbuntu 10.4 but time ran out on it.  Does Xbuntu 12.4 have the same radio programs?
[01:20] <xu-user> i bet thats why my gui file browser is acting strange too
[01:21] <GridCube> xu-user, see faq 4 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[01:21] <GridCube> xubuntu521, maybe, some programs might have lost support, if they did then they are probably gone
[01:21] <GridCube> what where those programs?
[01:23] <xubuntu521> One was a Morse Code program you could use your computer to send out messages by your ham radio
[01:23] <GridCube> xubuntu521, if you know the name of the programs you can query ubottu like this /msg ubottu info program
[01:23] <GridCube> it will tell you if that program is available or not on precise
[01:24] <xubuntu521> The others were different versions of Phase Shift Keying (PSK)
[01:25] <GridCube> find out the names and ask ubottu :)
[01:26] <xubuntu521> Ok, Grid, I'll check it out.  I asked if I could ask a question because that's the way I was brought up.  I'm 66 now and too old to"change"
[01:26] <xu-user> grid, thanks for the help
[01:27] <GridCube> :) no worries
[01:57] <xubuntu924> Hi! Is there a native keyboard shortcut to open the terminal? I thought I remembered there being one, similar to Ctrl-Alt-T in other Ubuntu-related distros, but I can't recall what it is.
[01:57] <ruien> yeah, super-T (i.e. windows-key + T)
[01:58] <xubuntu924> Great - that works! Thank you ruien!
[01:58] <ruien> super-W is browser. You can also add others or change the associated programs as well. That's done in Settings Manager -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts
[01:59] <ruien> glad to help :)
[01:59] <GridCube> xubuntu924, http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[03:52] <asterismo> hi people
[03:52] <asterismo> does anybody knows where is the default xfce panels layout is stored??
[03:53] <asterismo> im trying to customize a live CD
[03:55] <Marzata> /home/username/.config/xfce4/ ?
[04:03] <asterismo> in the live CD there is no username
[04:04] <asterismo> there must be somewhere that have the defaults
[04:05] <asterismo> Marzata, somewhere in the iso that later is copied into the new user created in the installation
[04:06] <Marzata> don't have the life cd around but you can search those file on it
[04:09] <asterismo> i don't know the names of the files
[04:10] <asterismo> is there someone from the dev team here?
[04:19] <Unit193> !remaster
[04:54] <asterismo> Unit193, do u know where is the default configuration for the xfce panel layout and desktop theme and icon theme?
[04:54] <Unit193> See what ubottu said, and /etc/xdg/
[06:30] <curbam> Hi, I'd like to remove the window decorations from some of my apps. It's easy in Openbox, but how do I do it in xfwm? I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 (xfce 4.8).
[06:32] <chelz> curbam: somewhere in Window Manager Settings i think
[06:32] <chelz> not sure if there's a 'blank' theme
[06:35] <curbam> chelz: I don't want to remove all (like a new theme does), but only for certain applications. Terminal has an option, but that's normally adjusted by the wm.
[06:36] <chelz> curbam: so like different themes for different applications?
[06:38] <curbam> chelz: not different themes, just no decorations for some apps. In Openbox I can define which apps get decorations,  and on what workspaces they will start...
[06:39] <chelz> ah, i'm still new to xfce so there might be a way to do those things but i'm not sure
[06:55] <laite> curbam: I believe there is no native way of doing that in xfce
[06:56] <laite> however, you can propably use xfce4 with compiz-window manager which makes it possible
[06:58] <curbam> laite: or maybe replace xfwm with Openbox. Has anybody done that already?
[07:00] <laite> curbam: quick googling shows that it's also possible :)
[07:03] <curbam> laite: it's even in the Openbox wiki. Thanks guys!
[07:04] <chelz> curbam: :)
[08:03] <Marzata> what is "wine internet explore"?
[08:03] <Marzata> when I right click on a JPG file ...
[08:04] <Marzata> where this thing came from?
[08:06] <hobgoblin> from installing wine perhaps
[08:08] <Marzata> have not done that
[08:08] <Marzata> and it shows that it is not installed
[08:09] <chelz> something maybe ran winetricks
[08:09] <Marzata> huh
[08:10] <hobgoblin> Marzata: did you install something prior to this right click option appearing?
[08:10] <Marzata> yes, but wine and internet explorer ... never
[08:12] <hobgoblin> have you always had this right click option? if not then it is something that you have done to get it there :)
[08:12] <Marzata> no, yes
[08:15] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:16] <Marzata> can't find anything associated with that in Synaptic
[08:16] <hobgoblin> Marzata: do a sudo updatedb then locate wine* see if you get anything
[08:23] <Marzata> and that is only for jpg, png files.
[08:23] <Marzata> not for html file
[08:32] <hobgoblin> Marzata: did ti find anything in your home .config (think that's where it would be )
[08:32] <Marzata> nothing suspicious there
[08:33] <Marzata> no wine*
[08:33] <Marzata> I have Windows on VM, so I avoid installing wine* crap
[08:42] <hobgoblin> Marzata: no idea then - I know I ended up with some wine stuff leftover after an install and purge - found a few things in /home that I had to physically delete
[08:43] <Marzata> hobgoblin: hmm, thanks
[08:46] <hobgoblin> Marzata: try locate wine without the *
[08:46] <Marzata> hobgoblin: just any wine file?
[08:47] <hobgoblin> you are looking for stuff in .config
[08:47] <Marzata> will see
[08:49] <Marzata> ah, there is  /home/user/.wine/
[08:49] <Marzata> wow
[08:50] <Marzata> it probably came from google earth?
[08:50] <pod> Is there a way to set timeout time of the "turn of touchpad while typing"-setting. I think 2 seconds is to much. 0.5 would be nice.
[08:53] <hobgoblin> Marzata: there you go - rm -r .wine/ willget rid of it if you want to
[08:54] <hobgoblin> but it willr emove all wine things
[08:54] <hobgoblin> possibly came from googlearth - not got it to check
[08:59] <Marzata> hmm
[08:59] <Unit193> Except that won't help, rm -rv ~/.local/share/applications/wine*  would help more as well as something like dpkg -S `which wine`
[08:59] <Unit193> (Called seperatly maybe)
[09:00] <hobgoblin> Unit193: thanks
[09:00] <Marzata> yes, thank you
[09:00] <Unit193> Sure, .wine is just config for wine.
[09:00] <Unit193> Exec=env WINEPREFIX="/home/unit193/.wine" wine start /ProgIDOpen pngfile %f
[09:08] <Marzata> there are 15  wine-extension-*.desktop files in /.local/share/applications/
[09:54] <xubuntu207> anyone do a lot of rdp sessions from windows to xubuntu? I'm having an issue where when I rdp from my windows machine to the xubuntu box the view is stacking multiple desktops vertically
[10:25] <Marzata> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12000266&postcount=22
[10:26] <Marzata> why still we have all those crashes?
[10:27] <hobgoblin> we don't - some do
[10:27] <cypher-neo> That post is extremely vague.
[10:28] <hobgoblin> best place for that talk is in -offtopic
[10:28] <cypher-neo> Marzata, Come to #xubuntu-offtopic and we can chat there
[10:30] <xubuntu207> anyone do a lot of rdp sessions from windows to xubuntu? I'm having an issue where when I rdp from my windows machine to the xubuntu box the view is stacking multiple desktops vertically.  I've searched google up and down and not come across anything that seems relevant to this issue
[13:10] <martinphone> how do you scan 200 images?
[13:13] <Lachezar> Hello. I can no longer find where to configure which font should be used for Monospace.
[13:14] <drc> One at a time?  martinphone, what are you doing, totally changing everything on your computer?  Over the past few days you have asked how to massively manipulate, transform or change data, files, and text -)
[13:14] <Lachezar> Currently Xubuntu supplies a non-monospace font for monospace :( (Bold variant is wider than regular).
[13:14] <martinphone> really drc ?
[13:14] <martinphone> wasnt conscious of that
[13:15] <drc> martinphone: probably not, you've been busy :)
[13:18] <laite> Lachezar: I think the font used depends on program, not xfce
[13:25] <Lachezar> laite: Not really, no! There is NO font named Monospace. Instead an alias is configured for a specific font.
[13:26] <laite> Lachezar: oh, wow
[13:26] <Lachezar> laite: There used to be an UI for specifying all (Serif, Sans, Monospace) font mappings.
[13:26] <Lachezar> laite: Now there is only one font setting.
[13:26]  * Lachezar sighs
[13:27] <ochosi> Lachezar: that was definitely a gnome-dialog
[13:27] <ochosi> Lachezar: or at least nothing xfce-specific
[13:28] <ochosi> in xfce, you can set the monospace font e.g. for the terminal in the terminal-settings
[13:28] <ochosi> that's why there's no such dialog
[13:28] <Lachezar> ochosi: Doh! That's plain wrong!
[13:28] <Lachezar> I am NOT talking about the terminal.
[13:28] <ochosi> but it might be worth filing a feature-request on bugzilla.xfce.org
[13:29] <ochosi> what ARE you talking about
[13:29] <Lachezar> It's an absurd idea to manage fonts in every application.
[13:29] <ochosi> :)
[13:29] <Lachezar> And then one upgrades to 12.04, looses the used fonts, and hell comes laughing.
[13:29] <ochosi> so anyway, what do you want to achieve?
[13:29] <ochosi> i mean with the monospace font
[13:30] <Lachezar> Eclipse uses these aliases to set up fonts (by default). Somehow after I upgraded to 12.04 the font that is supposedly monospace is no longer such.
[13:32] <ochosi> eclipse is a java-app, right?
[13:35] <Lachezar> ochosi: Yes, and No. Eclipse is a Java application, but uses SWT toolkit. That interacts with the GTK.
[13:36] <ochosi> Lachezar: yes, i'm just saying this because it's an additional source of potential bugs. personally i've never gotten java apps to look and behave like gtk-apps
[13:37] <Lachezar> ochosi: It worked until I upgraded to 12.04. No, Eclipse is probably NOT the issue.
[13:38] <drc> Lachezar: What are you upgrading from?  and ochosi: When did Xubuntu switch to Droid?  Maybe this is the cause of the now non-mono Monospace?
[13:38] <Lachezar> The same thing actually happens with Libre Office Writer.
[13:38] <ochosi> drc: we switched to droid already 3 or 4 releases ago
[13:38] <Lachezar> drc: 11:10 -> 12.04
[13:38] <drc> ok...I'm wrong :)  Just a thought
[13:38] <ochosi> Lachezar: what's the problem with libreoffice-writer?
[13:39] <Lachezar> ochosi: Have a line of text with monospace font, have the same line of thext with monospace-bold font. Both lines will be different length.
[13:39] <doktoreas> hello everybody..I have customized xfce main bar with some icons and links..is there a way (copying files or something like that) to export to a new xubuntu installation?
[13:41] <Lachezar> Yes. The problem seems to be the Droid font. With Lucida Sans Typewriter it looks as it should.
[13:41] <drc> doktoreas: ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[13:42] <doktoreas> thanks drc
[13:44] <Lachezar> So. How do I switch from Droid to Lucida?
[13:44] <ochosi> Lachezar: settings>appearance>fonts
[13:45] <Lachezar> ochosi: I can choose only one font there :(
[13:45] <Lachezar> And it's Ubuntu, not Droid.
[13:51] <ochosi> Lachezar: have you even tried using google? http://perlstalker.vuser.org/blog/sysadminnotes/tags/xfce/
[13:54] <Lachezar> ochosi: Actually I found similar one, but it required fiddling with /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, which is not what I want. The file in Home is a good tip. Failed to Google it though.
[13:55] <ochosi> Lachezar: okeydokey, still, filing a feature-request on bugzilla would be good and a benefit to all
[13:55] <Lachezar> ochosi: And Yes, I lost a lot of time trying to actually find anything with google. SEO is the worst thing that happened to Search Engines: made them useless.
[13:55] <Lachezar> ochosi: I was thinking of filing a request to fix the Droid font instead. I like it.
[13:56] <ochosi> Lachezar: yeah, that'd also be good
[14:01] <Lachezar> ochosi: Unfortunately that change made the Monospace font slanted and bold by default :(
[14:15] <velCzupa> o/
[14:16] <GridCube> hoi
[15:18] <Xifanie> Is someone knowledgeable about multiple monitors on 12.04?
[15:19] <GridCube> !ask | Xifanie
[15:20] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, I can try to help. :)
[15:21] <Xifanie> lol Alright... how do I prevent my 2nd monitor screen from being shifted to my 1st when I manually close the 2nd, and when I open it back the 2 monitors have effectively switched places?
[15:21] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Good question. I've actually never had that happen, so I'm going to plug in my 2nd monitor right now and experiment.
[15:21] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Give me a few minutes. :)
[15:22] <Xifanie> alright, thanks
[15:24] <Xifanie> I had to switch because Windows XP stopped working one day, always crashing on the logon process, never found the solution and didn't feel like reinstalling that crappy OS. Xubuntu does have a nice feel to it ;o
[15:26] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Xubuntu is very nice!
[15:27] <Xifanie> yeah, aside from all the weird problems I always encounter :P
[15:27] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Are you concerned about how to extend your desktop on Xubuntu? Because the display manager on X does not extend a desktop, it clones the screens.
[15:28] <Xifanie> I can extend it
[15:28] <Xifanie> but it seems there's no way to disable a monitor, and re-enable it and have it extended again without relogging
[15:28] <Xifanie> which is a pain because I need to disable my 2nd monitor to play World of Goo
[15:29] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Odd. I don't have that option on my setup.
[15:29] <Xifanie> it's in the settings editor
[15:29] <Xifanie> Display/Monitor/Position/X & Y
[15:29] <Xifanie> then you have to log out/in
[15:30] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, I know, but mine only reads Display.
[15:30] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, What you could try is disabling the monitor, play your game... and then when you want to extend it again, try enabling the monitor, hit Ctrl-F2 and "r" to restart the shell without restarting your session.
[15:31] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, It works for me, but I have multiple sessions enabled, and I fear that command may not work for someone using an Xubuntu-GNOME-Shell hybrid.
[15:32] <Xifanie> I'll have to play with that because when I disable to monitor it always resets the X/Y and have to set them back again manually >_<
[15:32] <Xifanie> well, we'll see
[15:32] <ochosi> Xifanie: you could use xfconf-query from the commandline
[15:32] <ochosi> that at least would make it easier to restore a certain setup
[15:33] <ochosi> we're trying to make multi-monitor support better in xubuntu, hopefully soon enough for 12.10
[15:33] <Xifanie> I've been trying all morning to search for a way to lock values in the settings editor to no avail, and I'm kinda new to Linux... I could make a script that would set my settings back right?
[15:35] <ochosi> Xifanie: yup
[15:36] <x__> Hello - i would like to know how can i have a resident antivirus ? I have tried Dazuko but it doesn't work. I need this because i do not want to send viruses to windows computers.
[15:36] <x__> Dazuko & Clamav
[15:36] <ochosi> Xifanie: but there might be a better solution to your problem as well, what was the setup again?
[15:38] <Xifanie> the setup? the 2nd monitor being right to the first
[15:38] <ochosi> Xifanie: you're not using a laptop, are you?
[15:38] <Xifanie> no
[15:38] <ochosi> ok, so 2 external screens
[15:39] <Xifanie> yeppers
[15:39] <ochosi> if i may ask, why would you disconnect one from time to time?
[15:39] <Xifanie> I'm not disconnecting any
[15:39] <cypher-neo> ochosi, Xifanie, That was my issue unfortunately. I'm running from a laptop so my display properties are different.
[15:39] <Xifanie> I'm just pushing the power button because sometimes I don't want to see what's on the second screen
[15:40] <ochosi> ok, and that changes the setup already, right?
[15:40] <Xifanie> like the normal on/off button on the front
[15:40] <Xifanie> I'm not sure, I'll test right away
[15:41] <Xifanie> oh no it doesn't change the settings, but now my first monitor displays what's supposed to be on the 2nd
[15:41] <Xifanie> and vise versa
[15:41] <Xifanie> this is reseted if I relog
[15:42] <ochosi> if you logout/in again, it's fine again?
[15:42] <Xifanie> yes
[15:42] <ochosi> that is odd
[15:42] <hobgoblin> I'd say so
[15:42] <ochosi> so switching off one monitor swaps them?
[15:42] <Xifanie> yep
[15:42] <Xifanie> always
[15:42] <ochosi> are you switching off your primary monitor maybe?
[15:42] <ochosi> or does it not matter which one you switch off?
[15:42] <Xifanie> I always keepy my primary on
[15:43] <Xifanie> I'd have to log back and try turning off my primary
[15:43] <Xifanie> brb
[15:43] <hobgoblin> I've used arandr with nouveau and twinview on nvidia and I never seen that
[15:44] <ochosi> yeah, the next question will have to be what drivers he uses
[15:44] <hobgoblin> yep
[15:44] <ochosi> anyway, i might have to leave in 5-10 min
[15:44] <ochosi> maybe one of you can follow this up
[15:44] <hobgoblin> I can try :)
[15:44] <ochosi> ty
[15:45] <x__> Hello - i would like to know how can i have a resident antivirus ? I have tried Dazuko&Clamav but it doesn't work. I need this because i do not want to send viruses to windows computers.
[15:45] <ochosi> x__: what doesn't work with clamav?
[15:45] <Xifanie> alright, my bad I'm stupid
[15:45] <ochosi> hehe
[15:45] <w30> I upgraded to 12.04 and the Unity gang's malware has borked my Emerald install again. Can anybody point me to a Emerald tat works for 21.04? Please, pretty please?
[15:45] <x__> on access scan
[15:45] <ochosi> Xifanie: so what happened? :)
[15:45] <w30> tat/that
[15:46] <Xifanie> Monitor 1: Primary / Monitor 2: Not Primary
[15:46] <x__> let's say for example i read my mails with thunderbird
[15:46] <Xifanie> If I close the first, nothing bad happens, if I close the second, the display swaps
[15:46] <GridCube> 21.04? D: thats pretty advanced stuff. XD
[15:46] <cypher-neo> :o
[15:46] <x__> if i read a mail with vireus clamav doesn't say nothing
[15:46] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: what card/driver you using?
[15:46] <ochosi> x__: hmm sorry, i use claws-mail (there's a plugin for clam-av there that works ok). maybe someone else can help
[15:47] <cypher-neo> GridCube, Back to the Future stuff... I need a DeLorean. xD
[15:47] <Xifanie> Changing X:1440/Y:132 on the first monitor to X:0/Y:0 and changing X:0/Y:0 on the second to X:1024/Y:0
[15:47] <Xifanie> just relogging doesn't work, I have to set them back
[15:47] <Xifanie> good question hobgoblin...
[15:47] <Xifanie> GForce 8600GT... as for the driver I have no idea :/
[15:48] <ochosi> ok, you can also try the proprietary nvidia drivers
[15:48] <ochosi> (if you want)
[15:48] <ochosi> you can install them by going to settings > additional drivers
[15:48] <ochosi> then you might have to install the nvidia-settings dialog as well
[15:48] <ochosi> that helps with setting up multiple displays
[15:49] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: I had no issues with either nouveau - setting the screens up with arandr nor with nvidia and twinview with an 8500GT
[15:50] <Xifanie> wow... that's pretty simple :|
[15:50] <w30> GridCube, ha ha, the mind still works but the problem is between the keyboard and the chair, duh...
[15:51] <GridCube> :) just a silly joke, but now really, i dont know about emerald, i think thats deprecated
[15:51] <ochosi> it has been deprecated for ages now...
[15:51] <ochosi> but there might still be a usable version of it in some ppa
[15:51] <ochosi> i wouldnt really recommend it though
[15:52] <Xifanie> rebooting...
[15:53] <w30> GridCube, just call me old fashioned, but I like it. Besides I can shut it off if it gets in my way. It impresses the Microsoft Aero users.
[15:53] <cypher-neo> lolol
[15:54] <cypher-neo> Everything about Linux impresses Windows users
[15:54] <x__> ochosi - does claws mail integrates with email "indicator plugin" ? ( thunderbird doesn't )
[15:54] <x__> ?
[15:54] <Xifanie> Windows isn't so bad, it just needs more looove
[15:54] <ochosi> thunderbird should integrate with the indicator-plugin as well
[15:54] <x__> it doesn't
[15:55] <hobgoblin> broken here ochosi - still says set up mail
[15:55] <ochosi> x__: with claws it's a bit more complicated, but works. i prefer using it with systray though
[15:55] <w30> ochosi, I tried several Emeralds 'till I found a Debian one that worked but 12.04 killed it and now it segfaults.
[15:55] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Would that love include an extensive core dump and complete rewrite?
[15:55] <Xifanie> I had massive Mozilla memory leaks on Windows, it was annoying
[15:55] <ochosi> hobgoblin: aha, on 12.04?
[15:55] <hobgoblin> yea
[15:55] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:55] <ochosi> have you reported a bug already?
[15:55] <hobgoblin> someone did - I me too'd it
[15:56] <ochosi> k, hadn't seen that
[15:56] <ochosi> anyway, it was supposed to be fixed in time for 12.04
[15:56] <Xifanie> cypher-neo, but that's way too much trouble! why fix something that's broken... :|
[15:56] <x__> it's not a bug - i have seen this information on many forums and the solution is Firetray
[15:56] <hobgoblin> ochosi: it worked in 12.04 during dv till about beta then broke lol
[15:57] <ochosi> anyway, g2g, have fun everyone
[15:57] <hobgoblin> cya
[15:57] <cypher-neo> LOL @ Xifanie
[15:57] <w30> Xifanie, likeBill Cosby says "tough love"
[15:57] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: still got the issue?
[15:58] <Xifanie> I'm trying to configure NVIDIA...
[15:59] <hobgoblin> k
[15:59] <Xifanie> still having issues but we'll see what I can make out of it
[16:02] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: if you want to go through it with me - ping me - mine is setup with primary on left, twinview
[16:03] <Xifanie> what's twinview?
[16:04] <hobgoblin> I have one desktop - 2 screens
[16:04] <DJzee> Asking for a opinion: is it better to run update manager through the terminal
[16:04] <Xifanie> oh, that's what I'm seeking :P
[16:07] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: http://imgur.com/a/hdmi0
[16:07] <w30> DJzee, I ran apt-get upgrade on my netbook because the gui wouldn't work and it did the upgrade successfully. Normally I run the gui.
[16:08] <Xifanie> hobgoblin: how do you set the right monitor at the bottom instead of the top?
[16:09] <w30> DJzee, normally I don't use the terminal
[16:09] <Xifanie> nevermind, I just had to press enter >_<
[16:09] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: in the settings thing just grab them and move them about
[16:09] <hobgoblin> or that :)
[16:09] <DJzee> That's what I'm doing. Everytime I run update manager lately I get a untrusted package error
[16:09] <Xifanie> that's odd, it wouldn't let me before
[16:09] <Xifanie> maybe I tried before setting to absolute
[16:10] <hobgoblin> that would do it I think Xifanie
[16:10] <Xifanie> now what? I restart? I saved the settings but I can't apply them right now
[16:10] <DJzee> W30: I hope this clears the error I'm getting
[16:11] <DJzee> w30: what distro are u running
[16:11] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: did you save to x conf file?
[16:11] <Xifanie> yes
[16:12] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: reboot then - I usually have a look at xorg.conf to make sure it's done it though      cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:12] <w30> DJzee, the command line has flags to repair messed up updates depending on what happened. I am no expert on what tod do though.
[16:13] <w30> DJzee, I am running 12.04 Xubuntu
[16:13] <Xifanie> seems to be fine
[16:13] <Xifanie> rebooting...
[16:14] <DJzee> w30: Hows 12.04? I'm gonna let the terminal do the updates then go from there
[16:15] <w30> DJzee, seems fine except it broke my Emerald binarys.
[16:16] <Xifanie> nice, it's working fine now :)
[16:16] <hobgoblin> woohoo
[16:16] <w30> DJzee, I need an Emerald that works for 12.04
[16:16] <Xifanie> I'll try disabling and re-enabling my 2nd monitor
[16:16] <GridCube> w30, well,thats to be expected, being emerald deprecated, it means no one updates it
[16:16] <Xifanie> ...my bad, it's set as one now
[16:16] <w30> DJzee, it seg faults after 21.04 upgrade.
[16:17] <DJzee> w30: hmmmm
[16:17] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: maybe you wanted seperate x screens
[16:18] <Xifanie> maybe...
[16:18] <Xifanie> because I can't see myself playing fullscreen games this way
[16:18] <Xifanie> not that I'm a big gamer or anything
[16:18] <w30> GridCube, I know, but I drove a '56 GMC pickup through the 1980's. I can't change I guess.\
[16:18] <hobgoblin> I'm not at all
[16:20] <w30> GridCube, but I know how to code for a '56 GMC. heh!
[16:20] <Xifanie> I hope this will work... rebooting
[16:21] <GridCube> :) then you might have to learn to compile and configure it by hand, because, you know if you have an old car you need a mechanic that actually understands it and pieces that you cant really get everywhere
[16:21] <drc> nah...trade it in on a new model every six months.
[16:22] <w30> drc, just lease a Mac OSX 10
[16:23] <GridCube> drc, :P well thats updating amirite
[16:24] <drc> w30: leasing a mac is like renting beer :)
[16:25] <Xifanie> oh this is awesome
[16:26] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: sorted?
[16:26] <drc> must be working :)
[16:26] <Xifanie> yep :) fullscreen game only spawning on my left screen
[16:26] <Xifanie> I just moved my swapped my panels from one screen to the other
[16:26] <Xifanie> and on/off on monitor button doesn't cause any issues
[16:26] <hobgoblin> good
[16:27] <Xifanie> thank you so much hobgoblin and ochosi
[16:27] <szerzetes> hi! I have a problem with login screen. I install ati Radeon Mobility x1600 driver from amd, and when I restart the laptop, it not load the login sceen, only the tty1.
[16:27] <szerzetes> After I loged in, and type: sudo service lightdm start, the lightdm starts and work fine
[16:27] <szerzetes> I use Xubuntu 12.04
[16:29] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: glad I could help - not that I did much :)
[16:31] <Xifanie> wow ok, this isn't working as good as I expected
[16:32] <Xifanie> they're really two individual desktops... I can't move an app from one desktop to the other
[16:33] <hobgoblin> nope - for that you need twinview ...
[16:33] <Xifanie> darnit >_<
[16:33] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: what are you trying to actually achieve other than the mysterious swapping issue
[16:34] <Xifanie> just being able to play fullscreen without the game spawning on my two screens
[16:35] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: I have full screen apps here - but only on the screen they are on
[16:35] <Xifanie> I wish...
[16:35] <hobgoblin> but I don't play games - maybe they are trying to use the desktop
[16:36] <Xifanie> apparently so
[16:37] <GridCube> Xifanie, but if you use two monitors cant you just ctrl-alt-f7/8 to the two instances?
[16:37] <Xifanie> alright, because I didn't reboot, I changed to Twinview and my mouse cursor was sent into oblivison
[16:37] <Xifanie> And I can't even read this chat... lol...
[16:40] <hobgoblin> I'd use soemthing like devilspie to send it to a specfic screen
[16:40] <Xifanie> oh crap, I forgot to switch back my panels and now they're gone
[16:40] <GridCube> lol
[16:40] <hobgoblin> they aren't gone - you just can't see them :)
[16:41] <Xifanie> gone.. from my sight of view!
[16:41] <hobgoblin> gorn - all gorn
[16:42] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: so are you now using twinview?
[16:42] <Xifanie> right now yes
[16:44] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: so now you are more or less ok with the original issue - which has got you a couple of new ones
[16:44] <Xifanie> :D
[16:44] <Xifanie> yaaay
[16:44] <hobgoblin> lol
[16:44] <Xifanie> this always happens with me
[16:45] <Xifanie> but really where the hell are those panels...
[16:45] <hobgoblin> I'd either reset the panels - but that would lose everything or just play with nvidia-settings sdo you can see them - move them and then put nvidia back
[16:46] <hobgoblin> I lost one of mine ... are the screens the same size?
[16:46] <Xifanie> I guess
[16:46] <Xifanie> no
[16:46] <Xifanie> 1440x900 and 1024x768
[16:47] <hobgoblin> that was my issue - was the panel at the top or bottom - if it was say at the bottom and you had the top edges matching - you'd not see panel as it would be below the screen
[16:47] <Xifanie> one at the top and the other at the left
[16:48] <GridCube> you cant xrandr -s resxres
[16:48] <GridCube> ?
[16:49] <Xifanie> and what does that do?
[16:49] <GridCube> sets the screen to resxres
[16:49] <GridCube> you change res by the numbers you want ofcourse
[16:49] <Xifanie> I don't see how that would help me :/
[16:51] <GridCube> well, your panels will be visible?
[16:51] <martinphone> how do I configure xubuntu to route every internet connection to a proxy?
[16:52] <GridCube> !proxy martinphone
[16:52] <GridCube> !proxy | martinphone
[16:52] <GridCube> no thats not what i wanted ubottu
[16:53] <martinphone> lol
[16:53] <astraljava> martinphone: export http_proxy=http://proxy:port
[16:53] <GridCube> martinphone, you need to set up a global variable like export http_proxy=http://proxy.com:port/
[16:53] <astraljava> martinphone: Also, https_proxy similarly.
[16:54]  * GridCube that doesnt help me to use apt-get trhough a proxy tho, not eveny launching like http_proxy=proxy:port sudo apt-get
[16:55] <astraljava> GridCube: apt-get has it's own conf file
[16:55] <GridCube> i see
[16:55] <martinphone> giving it a try...
[16:56] <astraljava> GridCube: You write to /etc/apt/apt.conf a line something like Acquire::http::Proxy "http://yourproxyaddress:proxyport";
[16:57] <martinphone> l
[16:57] <astraljava> GridCube: Although some docs seem to indicate the env variable ought to work, too. But that should _definitely_ work.
[16:58] <Xifanie> yay! 2 reboots later I have my panels back
[17:27] <StormStrikes> GridCube:  I thought I would pop back on here and tell you that I figured out why I could not write to a share folder from my printer scans.
[17:32] <GridCube> :D
[17:32] <GridCube> why not?
[17:34] <StormStrikes> GridCube: BleachBit apparently wipes out some files you need for such stuff :-(
[17:34] <GridCube> mmmhm, so i wasnt xubuntu's fault?
[17:34] <GridCube> :)
[17:36] <StormStrikes> No.  It was all mine.  I remember when I first installed Xubuntu I set up that folder and got no warnings or anything but never tried to scan to it.  But it also gave me no warnings about no write permissions.  So my thoughts centered around it being a setting somewhere.  It was in a sense, in that it was completely missing it all.
[17:36] <StormStrikes> So I did a fresh install again, tested the folder and it worked.  After that I was able to isolate it to running bleachbit, which I will never do again, LOL
[17:37] <GridCube> :D
[17:37] <GridCube> good to know
[17:38] <StormStrikes> Yes.  I thought it would help keep the system clean.  It does, by wiping anything out that it supposes you dont need.  It throws the baby out with the bathwater.
[17:39] <GridCube> hahaha :) well now go spread the word: xubuntu is awesome
[17:39] <GridCube> :P
[17:39] <GridCube> i never actually configured samba, so i couldnt relly guide you back then :) im glad that you figure it out
[17:40] <StormStrikes> I never gave up on that concept, it was just incredibly frustrating as everything seemed to point to it being an xubuntu issue.  It was so easy to do in Ubuntu.  But with with the Samba gui, its just as easy to do on Xubuntu if you dont wipe out the needed stuff.
[17:40] <GridCube> :D
[17:41] <StormStrikes> I do want to make sure I abundantly say thank you for the help you did give and the patience in trying to help out.
[17:51] <GridCube> :) dont worry, StormStrikes, giving back to the community its nice ennough, and thank you for coming back and explaining the issue, now if someone else comes with a similar problem i know a new aproach ot fix it
[17:52] <StormStrikes> No problem.  After I get done with all the final configurations, bleachbit is getting uninstalled.
[17:54] <GridCube> :)
[17:55] <StormStrikes> Before I leave to work on the configs a bit more, may I ask if there is a common resource or documentation on using exo-open and stuff like that?
[17:57] <GridCube> there might, but i dont know, knome might
[17:58] <GridCube> or maybe ochosi
[17:59] <StormStrikes> Okay.  I will check with them when I see them active.
[17:59] <GridCube> :)
[18:16] <jzbl> Hi, just installed xubuntu 12.04, haven't used ubuntu-like systems since last LTS. Can someone provide a hint on how I can install Sun/Oracle Java JRE and JDK?
[18:17] <xubuntu633> How to install xubuntu 12.04 with USB Flesh?
[18:17] <jzbl> xubuntu633: just download the iso image and use unetbootin tool (works on windows, linux and macosx)
[18:18] <jzbl> xubuntu633: I have installed the system I am running now this way
[18:19] <xubuntu633> thank you
[18:20] <jzbl> y.w.
[18:30] <Marzata> jzbl: java 7?
[18:30] <jzbl> best would be 1.6.x
[18:31] <jzbl> whatever is the newest one, I already skipped through the docs on "ubuntu" wiki docs
[18:31] <jzbl> what is the best method to install java. I don't want to use some untrusted PPA or install it manually
[18:32] <jzbl> any way to make it at least half automatic?
[18:32] <baizon> i use openjdk
[18:33] <drc> jzbl: Go back and <read> the docs, not<skip through> them...you probably would not have to ask question.
[18:33] <GridCube> jzbl, there are some ppa's around
[18:35] <jzbl> Ok guys, let me say this in another way, can I add / enable some repo that will allow me to do : apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk
[18:35] <jzbl> or I have to put more effort to it ;)
[18:36] <Pici> !java
[18:36] <jzbl> and I don't want to use some random ppa that won't be updated...
[18:37] <jzbl> Pici: will check the scripts, will come back if they won't work
[18:37] <jzbl> beware ;)
[18:38]  * drc shakes in my boots...with laughter
[18:38] <cythes> Real quick how do I get windows to group together?
[18:40] <drc> cYmen: App Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Window Manager>Advanced>Windows Snapping....is this what you want?
[18:41] <drc> oops cythes ^^
[18:41] <cythes> No, I mean if I have more then one chrome running it stacks them up so it only takes up one slot on the taskbar.
[18:43] <cythes> I know it can be done since I have done it in xubuntu before (Actually about 2 hours ago when I just installed it again)
[18:43] <drc> Right Mouse click on Windows Buttons>Properties
[18:43] <cythes> Bingo drc Thanks :)
[18:43] <drc> np
[18:44] <cythes> Now I must install vlc and then reboot.
[18:50] <jzbl> used the git scipt, still processing something
[18:50] <jzbl> yawn
[19:21] <Debolaz> How are notifications handled in xubuntu? Similar to Ubuntu, or are they more the annoying clickable kind?
[19:22] <xubuntu167> hello
[19:22] <baizon> dont know how ubuntu handles it
[19:22] <baizon> but indicator is taken from ubuntu :)
[19:23] <drc> Annoying clickable...but you can customize the time they stay up...Apps Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Notifications
[19:27] <xubuntu167> having a semi little issue with my remote xubuntu setup.  I currently can ssh & rdp via (rdp (from win7) to xubuntu (xrdp/vino)) but I can't seem to find anything on how to change the resolution of the session.  In the .rdp file on windows the resolution is set @ 1440x900, however the screen or session from the xubuntu machine is 1024x768.  is there any way to force the resolution to 1440x900?
[20:13] <dipnlik> hi. how can I create one-click shortcuts for frequently used apps?
[20:16] <drc> dipnlik: App Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Keyboard>App Shortcuts
[20:17] <drc> Or did you mean mouse clicks?
[20:17] <dipnlik> drc: yeah, i meant mouse clicks
[20:17] <drc> as in add to the menu
[20:17] <drc> ?
[20:17] <dipnlik> preferably to the side of the menu
[20:18] <drc> App Menu>Settings>Main Menu
[20:18] <dipnlik> or a dock at the sides of the screen or the bottom
[20:20] <drc> Right Click on panel, Panel Preferences...add a panel.  Then right click on panel, choose the panel and Add Items (I have only one panel so I can't give exact directions)
[20:21] <drc> So...take your pick, Menu or Panel :)
[20:21] <dipnlik> drc: awesome, will spend a few minutes there. thanks!
[20:22] <dipnlik> haha, I just noticed there's a dock at the bottom of the screen (i'm running xubuntu on a vm in a window, so it's hard to hit screen edges)
[20:23] <drc> yeah, it's on auto hide, so just add a launcher to that and point it to the app you want.
[20:24] <drc> you can take it off auto hide, it's panel 2 in the panel prefs
[20:25] <dipnlik> drc: ok, thank you
[20:38] <drc> oh...dipnlik:  This is 4.8 (I forgot)...you can just grab an icon/app off the menu and drag it to the panel...much easier than make a new one.
[20:45] <dipnlik> drc: haha, definitely easier, good to know
[21:30] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Hello. How are the monitors? Still working correctly with no switchups?
[21:49] <Xifanie> yep, all working fine :) My problem with World of Goo comes from the game badly designed
[22:27] <w30> darn, the clouds rolled in; no transit here in Northwestern Illinois....
[22:28] <drc> w30: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream1&hpt=hp_c2  Better than nothing
[22:29] <w30> drc, thanks
[22:29] <drc> np
[23:30] <rhomboetric> hi!
[23:31] <rhomboetric> anyone here using pamusb authentication?
[23:31] <rhomboetric> i did the setup using the ubuntu wiki entry about pamusb authentication
[23:31] <rhomboetric> i configured a usb stick, that worked
[23:31] <rhomboetric> but whenever i want to start a programm using sudo xy
[23:32] <rhomboetric> it authenticated succesfully with the usb stick
[23:32] <rhomboetric> but the right pw is entered wrong somehow
[23:32] <rhomboetric> anyone heard/read about this?