| ScottK | micahg: Didn't Kubuntu skip Alpha 1? | 01:28 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | Should be just stuff going to proposed that affects an image. | 01:28 |
| micahg | ScottK: I thought Riddell said that you were trying for i386/amd64 | 01:28 |
| ScottK | Are we? I lost track. | 01:29 |
| ScottK | Not sure the point without 4.4.80. | 01:29 |
| ScottK | Maybe that got uploaded when I wasn't looking. | 01:29 |
| micahg | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001305.html | 01:33 |
| ScottK | OK. | 01:33 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr | ||
| JontheEchidna | ew: | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | what(): std::bad_alloc | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | mah krunner D: | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | probably an invalid pixmap cache :s | 03:49 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, that's probably what eagles had | 03:50 |
| JontheEchidna | not an invalid kde pixmap cache | 03:55 |
| JontheEchidna | ew: http://paste.kde.org/493934/ | 03:55 |
| JontheEchidna | I enabled compositing and now it doesn't crash, go figure | 03:59 |
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| apachelogger | wah | 05:10 |
| apachelogger | kwin to blame? | 05:10 |
| eagles0513875 | hey agateau i have an interesting development. i purged kubuntu-desktop using kubuntu-* and it reverted me to the normal kde desktop and the kubuntu-desktop package is is not even installed so I have no idea how i even have a normal kde desktop | 06:29 |
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| Mamarok | eagles0513875: don't remove kubuntu-desktop, that makes no sense | 08:05 |
| Mamarok | somebody please reword the description of kubuntu-desktop, it is quite misleading and a source of problems to users | 08:06 |
| ikonia | Mamarok: in what way ? | 08:08 |
| ikonia | it's a meta package, it used to be clearly defined as a meta package | 08:08 |
| ikonia | is it no longer ? | 08:08 |
| Mamarok | the "it is safe to remove" should be more explicit about what will change for the user, right now it is not clear to the user it will remove stuff | 08:09 |
| Mamarok | it is a meta package, but if you remove it it will remove quite a few things and you will not have all kde core components anymore | 08:10 |
| Mamarok | it should not be removed by the user | 08:10 |
| ikonia | it never used to actually remove anything, when did it start actually having package removal depenencies ? | 08:10 |
| Mamarok | well, it does | 08:11 |
| ikonia | I don't doubt it | 08:11 |
| Mamarok | no ides who changed what, but now it is certainly not something that should be removed | 08:11 |
| Mamarok | idea* | 08:11 |
| Mamarok | and I agree with you, it should not remove anything | 08:11 |
| ikonia | I wonder if the same is now true of ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop for example | 08:12 |
| Riddell | removing kubuntu-desktop doesn't remove anything | 08:12 |
| Riddell | but it does mean you won't get new packages in updates that are needed especially on release upgrades | 08:13 |
| Riddell | words to describe that are fiddly | 08:13 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: well, then this should be said | 08:13 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: the easiest is to not say it is safe to remove | 08:13 |
| Mamarok | but instead: if you remove this package you will no longer get updates for some components needed in release upgrades | 08:14 |
| Riddell | probably that was there when we had everything depend on it and it got removed if you didn't like one app | 08:14 |
| Riddell | now a lot of apps are recommends rather than depends | 08:14 |
| Riddell | so I think it'll be safe to just remove that line | 08:14 |
| Mamarok | currently we have a lot of users who emoved that and run into problems | 08:14 |
| Mamarok | also why does it talk about netbook when this is clearly the desktop package? | 08:15 |
| Mamarok | isn't kubuntu-netbook doing the netbook stuff | 08:16 |
| Mamarok | anyway, I need to run to the market, bbl | 08:17 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-netbook is a transitional package, it can be removed | 08:21 |
| Riddell | nuff automation larks, I should get on this 4.9 beta today | 08:27 |
| Riddell | oh and alpha 1 too | 08:28 |
| eagles0513875 | Mamarok: well it seems to have fixed a really annoying issue i was having yet i still have fully functioning desktop, granted its not the netbook version, | 08:47 |
| eagles0513875 | Riddell: whats the purpose of having a netbook layout when the normal kde desktop look works just fine and actually imho performs better | 08:50 |
| Riddell | I would disagree | 08:51 |
| eagles0513875 | how come? | 08:52 |
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| Riddell | ooh quantal works! | 09:10 |
| eagles0513875 | Riddell: it works smashingly minus the netbook stuff which is broken out the backside atm | 09:21 |
| Riddell | more alpha testing needed but I'm happy with the current images http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/221/builds | 09:52 |
| Riddell | Thu 14th at 16:00 seems like best time for a meeting even if it is a week away | 09:55 |
| debfx | why is the kdeobservatory widget in an own package? | 10:35 |
| Riddell | dunno, extra dependency maybe? | 10:36 |
| debfx | ah right, it depends in libqwt6 | 10:36 |
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| Riddell | cor debian is pretty far behind in kde sc packaging | 10:52 |
| jussi | Is there a reason we arent donating ours? | 11:10 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: are you sure you didn't get it wrong with the doodle result? | 11:19 |
| Mamarok | Tue 12th at 8pm shows more attendees | 11:20 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: sabdfl added himself and I think it's well worth having him since currently Kubuntu needs some love from canonical management | 11:25 |
| Mamarok | ah, right, didn't see that his is missing there | 11:25 |
| Stecchino | User asks why ubuntu-restricted-extras can't be made a dep of amarok https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301264 | 11:45 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 301264 in Playlists/Saved Playlists "Problem with IDs when draging playlist into the qeue" [Major,Resolved: waitingforinfo] | 11:45 |
| debfx | hm building all of kubuntu on a Raspberry Pi... that could take a few years ;) | 11:46 |
| Stecchino | If amarok is not in the default install, would that be possible? | 11:46 |
| Stecchino | debfx: why not cross compile? | 11:46 |
| debfx | idk, someone on the kubuntu-devel lists is asking how to do that | 11:47 |
| Stecchino | setting up a cross compile certainly is not trivial | 11:48 |
| Stecchino | so compiling on device might make sense | 11:48 |
| Riddell | Stecchino: it's kubuntu-restricted-extras he wants and the whole point of the package is it needs to be kept off the CD and in multiverse | 11:48 |
| Stecchino | I believe that need to be done for packaging anyway | 11:48 |
| Stecchino | Riddell: yeah, thought so | 11:48 |
| Stecchino | but what about in the beta ppa? | 11:48 |
| Riddell | Stecchino: he should be prompted to install it when he starts amarok but I don't know how well that works in practice | 11:49 |
| Stecchino | in any case, I need to fix the bug with restricted-codecs-installer | 11:49 |
| Stecchino | Seems like i broke it | 11:49 |
| Riddell | ppa packages should be as close as possible to archive, divergance makes them unmaintainable | 11:49 |
| Stecchino | I C | 11:51 |
| debfx | one of (k)ubuntu's values is to not automatically install non-free software. that should apply to "official" PPAs as well. | 11:53 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting: Thu 14th 16:00UTC | ||
| eagles0513875 | hey agateau | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | I just added a patch to akonadi maildir and broke notes again Oo | 13:32 |
| eagles0513875 | apachelogger: sadly its a vicious circle fix one thing to sadly break something else | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | the ting is | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | I fixed notes in another patch already | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | the error it spits out should not happen at all | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | *should* | 13:36 |
| eagles0513875 | apachelogger: i found out somethign rather interesting to the bug i was experiencing | 13:42 |
| agateau | hey eagles0513875 | 13:43 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: not sure if you saw my update to the bug but i purged kubuntu-desktop and did kubuntu-* in 2 different purges and i ended up with the standard kde desktop that you would find on a desktop pc | 13:43 |
| eagles0513875 | and everything is working just fine oddly enough | 13:43 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: weird | 13:44 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: one thing though that mamarok mentioned earlier is that with out the meta package i dont get any notifications of updates | 13:45 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: this is true | 13:45 |
| eagles0513875 | agateau: was about to try and reinstall kubuntu-desktop meta package and see if i stay with the current desktop or the netbook version is reinstalled | 13:46 |
| ikonia | kubuntu-desktop is not the net book meta package | 13:47 |
| eagles0513875 | as of right now the standard desktop is rock solid the netbook version isnt. Riddell also mentioned that the kubuntu netbook package is a dummy package if im not mistaken? | 13:47 |
| ikonia | earlier riddle was saying there was a transitional package for the netbook setup | 13:47 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: then why was it installed on my system initiall | 13:47 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: it still uses the same base components | 13:48 |
| eagles0513875 | so is the kubuntu netbook package granted its transitional still a meta package? | 13:48 |
| ikonia | granted it's transitional ? | 13:48 |
| ikonia | kubuntu-netbook is a meta package if that's what you are asking | 13:48 |
| agateau | eagles0513875: it has always been a meta package, but it's now deprecated, you can remove it | 13:49 |
| eagles0513875 | ok what package should i reinstall to get the netbook desktop back | 13:50 |
| Mamarok | eagles0513875: you do know that this is the -devel channel, do you? Please keep user questions to #kubuntu | 13:50 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: join the support channels | 13:50 |
| Riddell | 14:47 <skaet> hiya, could you go add the Kubuntu changes to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview ? | 13:51 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna, debfx, yofel_, apachelogger, other useful pacakging people: anything good in the syncs? ^^ | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: amaork2.6beta | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kde 483 | 13:55 |
| ubottu | Error: KDE bug 483 could not be found | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: nothing intersting other than that | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | in quantal-changes anyway | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: oh, btw, if you see d_ed kindly poke him into making the new ktp release happening so we can get started with the QA bus ;) | 13:57 |
| * apachelogger answers rpi mail | 13:57 | |
| Riddell | the QA bus? | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: testing | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | we promised supreme testing exposure to ensure a smooth initial deployment in quantal | 13:58 |
| Riddell | ah QA of kde-telepathy in quantal? | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | well, for quantal | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | QA in quantal and precise | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | + call for testing | 13:59 |
| agateau | ScottK: hi, did you find time to test the massif-visualizer package on your arm system? | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: jtechidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027034/ objections? | 15:32 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: rationale on that? | 15:32 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: login -> U HAZ UPDATES && APPORT GO SCREW U && AKONADI GO SCREW U && FILE TRANSFER &&.... | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | updates really do not need to be displayed rihgt after login | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | 5 minutes might be a tad too long, but that is subject to change based on real world expierence ^^ | 15:34 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe wait a minute instead | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: 2 | 15:35 |
| JontheEchidna | k | 15:35 |
| apachelogger | so the system settles in | 15:35 |
| apachelogger | i.e. on first start nepomuk bloat will hog the cpu for at least a minute or two | 15:35 |
| apachelogger | god knows why consideirng the home is empty | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/06/plasma-desktopQv2367.png | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, it's just waiting for something to happen, virtuoso -t ..since I don't need nepomuk , it and akonadi are both disabled here | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | h,? | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | hm? | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | virtuoso should not be started without nepomukserver.... | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, that's not what I meant ...virtuoso -t is usually the cpu hogger | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | not only that thing | 15:50 |
| BluesKaj | if nepomuk is enabled | 15:51 |
| apachelogger | uha | 15:51 |
| apachelogger | stupid apport | 15:52 |
| apachelogger | desktop_file = apport.fileutils.find_package_desktopfile(self.cur_package) | 15:53 |
| BluesKaj | wish there wasn't the negative option with the kdepim apps ..I don't use most of them | 15:53 |
| apachelogger | negative option? | 15:53 |
| BluesKaj | installed by default , so I have to disable them if i don't use them | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | don't quite compute | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | what's wrong with kdepim? | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | if we did not install defaults because people would need to disable them if they don't want it we coud just as well ship a kernel only :P | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | being a home user , i don't need most of kdepim | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/06/plasma-desktopMJ2367.png u broke my apport | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | BluesKaj: u don't read emails? | 15:56 |
| BluesKaj | I use thunderbird | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | so it is a matter of defaults not of whether you are a home user :P | 15:59 |
| * apachelogger finds kmail too bloated anyway | 15:59 | |
| apachelogger | way too many buttons for me | 15:59 |
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| apachelogger | afiestas: could you try https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/staging/+files/kdepim-runtime-dbg_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1%2Bppa1_i386.deb please | 16:01 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, don't get me wrong i would like to use kmail etc , but it's constant segfaulting drove me away | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | that seems to fix akonadi screw ups for me | 16:01 |
| afiestas | BluesKaj: segfaulting? | 16:01 |
| afiestas | KMail deos many thing wrong but segfaulting isn't one of them | 16:01 |
| afiestas | at least not in my computers | 16:01 |
| * apachelogger had still notifications with it tho yesterday | 16:01 | |
| BluesKaj | afiestas, wanna bet :) | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | so I wouldn't hold my breath that it gets through verification | 16:02 |
| afiestas | BluesKaj: I wanna crash reports | 16:02 |
| afiestas | and backtraces | 16:02 |
| BluesKaj | well , it did here | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | + | 16:02 |
| afiestas | reports should go to bugs.kde.org | 16:03 |
| Riddell | ooh I've reached the end of the simple packages for 4.8.80 | 16:03 |
| afiestas | if not, they are useless (upstream developers don't read them) | 16:03 |
| Riddell | now the fiddly ones to go | 16:03 |
| apachelogger | oh, Riddell, while you wait for building ... could you try to verify that my kdepim-runtime package does not give bogus akonadi errors on kontact start https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/staging/+files/kdepim-runtime-dbg_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1%2Bppa1_i386.deb | 16:07 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: bah firefox installer in quatzal just errors saying "sorry the packaging system can not be initialised" | 16:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: kdepim isn't done yet, bulldog98's name is down for that | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: with precise then :P | 16:08 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: precise is old school, I don't use that any more | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | lol | 16:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you fixed the .local issue? | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | looks like it | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | hard to tell with akonadi | 16:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: shall we test on ec2? | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | how can you test on ec2? | 16:10 |
| * apachelogger is all for testing ^^ | 16:10 | |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: bug 1000508 | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1000508 in gcc-4.7 (Ubuntu) "PendingMessages member variable of APT's GlobalError class initializes as "true" with -std=c++11" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000508 | 16:10 |
| Riddell | start an ec2 machine, install kubuntu-desktop, start vnc, test | 16:10 |
| JontheEchidna | the toolchain people seem rather unresponsive | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, I have it in a VM | 16:11 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: gosh that's a surprisingly hardcore issue | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: but just because it works here does not mean it fixes the issue ... akonadi is fun like that | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, it was a pain to figure out what was happening :( | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | I have a workaround in git, though. (don't compile the worker with c++11) | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | hmm | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: 2 minutes seems good enough | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | plus much better UX | 16:12 |
| * apachelogger ponders SRUing | 16:12 | |
| BluesKaj | afiestas, the segfault that i reported about kmail were all shoved aside due to duplications , but kmail continues to segfault here ..I'm not being critical ..i'd like to use kmail , but it's impossible for me to use | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | oh well, I can't get the konact issue anymore | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, afiestas: if you could some additional testing that would be good, I'll then push it to proposed and hope it gets thrugh verifiction ^^ | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | unike the ppa2 package ppa1 at least does not make matters worse ^^ | 16:23 |
| afiestas | BluesKaj: didn't pretent to say you were being critical, just pointing the fact that if we don't push upstream they won't fix anything | 16:23 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: bit busy right now, in 30min or so | 16:23 |
| BluesKaj | afiestas, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286307 | 16:23 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 286307 in general "Kmail crash (QNetworkAccessHttpBackend::replyDownloadMetaData, QNetworkAccessHttpBackend::qt_static_metacall, QObject::event)" [Crash,New: ] | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | yeah, moving on meanwhile | 16:23 |
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| apachelogger | BluesKaj: fail to reproduce | 16:43 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, what else is new ? :P | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | instructions would be good | 16:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: vnc://ubuntu@ec2-107-21-151-241.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901 | 16:46 |
| Riddell | is up | 16:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what do I do to test? | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: fire up kontact | 16:47 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, usually segfaults on my setup when trying to move emails into other folders or when trying to delete emils | 16:47 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I already have a ~/.local does that matter? | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | nope | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | the issue is not about .local as such but the sub dirs the resources want to be there | 16:48 |
| apachelogger | BluesKaj: imap or pop? | 16:48 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: does not exist notification! | 16:48 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 16:48 |
| apachelogger | groovy | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: maybe try a couple more times | 16:49 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: starting kontact more times? | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | when debugging I noticed that some of the notifications are highly timing dependent | 16:49 |
| Riddell | what will that do? | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: with new users | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | or logout and wipe the home clean | 16:49 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: well we know the bug exists, what should I do to test your fix? | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | install the package | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | and start kontact multiple times on clean homes | 16:51 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, both | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | if no notifications appear we can assume it works | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | BluesKaj: fun | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | still can't reproduce tho | 16:51 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, oh well , I can live with thunderbird, besides I'm not a big fan of akonadi and nepomuk anyway | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | the socialist way to look at this is that by helping getting it fixed you make other people happy | 16:54 |
| jussi | :-) | 16:54 |
| BluesKaj | <---not a socialist | 16:54 |
| jussi | blueskaj: weirdo :P | 16:55 |
| BluesKaj | I help enough | 16:55 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Did you still want -bugs forwarded here? | 17:00 |
| ryanakca | (if I understood my irc logs properly) | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | jussi, nice :/ | 17:00 |
| jussi | blueskaj? | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | jussi, ? | 17:02 |
| ScottK | agateau: I did. It built fine and I pinged you. I guess you missed the highlight. | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: yus | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | yofel_: shadeslayer cannot help packaging as I am still waiting on data he is supposed to collect | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: also the data better be worth waiting a month | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ETA is at most one week on that | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | I need to sort some visa stuff for akademy as well ... | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | k | 17:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: using kdepim-runtime 0.1+ppa2 from your staging PPA the error still occurs | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: this was a task from the 12.04 UDS right? | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ppa1 please | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | ppa2 regressed though I have no idea why | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: nah, was before | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | at some meeting IIRC | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | the one wer we talked about tooling :P | 17:37 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 17:37 |
| shadeslayer | I doubt that there are logs | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 17:37 |
| shadeslayer | well ... on irc.ubuntu.com ... but I'll have to wget everthing for the past 6 months and grep them | 17:38 |
| shadeslayer | *irclogs.ubuntu.com | 17:38 |
| * apachelogger grabs some lunch | 17:39 | |
| shadeslayer | kubotu: newpackage kile 2.1.2 | 17:46 |
| kubotu | Package kile already exists! | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer | whut | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer | kubotu: newversion kile 2.1.2 | 17:46 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009626 | 17:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1009626 in kile (Ubuntu) "Please update kile to 2.1.2" [Undecided,New] | 17:46 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-evolution-twitchy-online-game.html | 17:50 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: same error with 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1+ppa1 :( | 17:52 |
| jussi | hrm, how does one enable multitouch support in kubuntu | 17:53 |
| jussi | ? | 17:53 |
| Riddell | jussi: no idea I'm afraid | 17:53 |
| jussi | :/ I have one but no idea how to use it | 17:53 |
| afiestas | jussi: install utouch (it is not by default in either ubuntu spin) | 17:54 |
| jussi | its single touch atm | 17:54 |
| afiestas | then for kde integration, touchegg | 17:54 |
| jussi | afiestas: oh, cool, thanks | 17:54 |
| ScottK | jussi: If more is needed to enable multitouch, cnd can probably tell you. | 17:54 |
| jussi | ScottK: ok, thanks for the tip | 17:55 |
| jussi | brb | 17:55 |
| cnd | afiestas, you shouldn't need to install utouch, it's a meta package that gives you some developer headers | 17:55 |
| cnd | that's all | 17:55 |
| cnd | jussi, what are you looking to do? | 17:55 |
| * afiestas bought an apple touchapd thing, expects to bring multitouch to its better state in kde | 17:55 | |
| afiestas | cnd: with ubuntu (not kubuintu) I needed it | 17:55 |
| cnd | afiestas, you still don't need utouch installed | 17:56 |
| cnd | unless you plan on developing with the utouch libraries | 17:56 |
| afiestas | then, what do I need exactly for the same time? | 17:56 |
| cnd | on ubuntu, all the runtime libraries are installed already because they are needed for unity | 17:56 |
| afiestas | because wahtever it was it got installed with that metapackage | 17:56 |
| cnd | afiestas, I don't really know what it is you're referring to :) | 17:57 |
| cnd | what functionality did you gain after installing utouch? | 17:57 |
| afiestas | well, I paired the multitouch apple thing, it didn't did anything, not even scroll with 2 fingers | 17:57 |
| afiestas | installed utouch, rebooted, got it working if I remember correctly | 17:57 |
| cnd | afiestas, two-finger scrolling is part of the mouse settings | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: iirc utouch-geis is broken | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | utterly | 17:58 |
| jussi | cnd: I just want full functionality (pinch zooming and stuff) on this screen (Dell XT2) | 17:58 |
| cnd | shadeslayer, hmm? | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | haven't followed it up for some months though | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | cnd: last I heard, utouch-geis which handles multitouch was broken | 17:58 |
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| * shadeslayer looks it up | 17:58 | |
| cnd | shadeslayer, utouch-geis should be working now, it's a core functionality of utouch | 17:58 |
| jussi | cnd: after logging in and out it doesnt seem to help what afiestas said | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | cnd: oh, it's working in Precise? | 17:59 |
| cnd | jussi: there aren't many applications with multitouch gesture support yet | 17:59 |
| jussi | oh | 17:59 |
| jussi | its an app thing then | 17:59 |
| cnd | yeah | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | apparently the plasmoids are supposed to rotate | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | with two fingers | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | so that's a good test to figure out if it's working or not :) | 18:00 |
| cnd | shadeslayer, jussi: most two touch stuff from a touchpad won't work | 18:00 |
| cnd | because the synaptics X input module is usurping them to perform scrolling | 18:00 |
| cnd | or two-tap for right click | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 18:00 |
| jussi | cnd: this is an actual touch screen | 18:00 |
| cnd | that is a fundamental problem with X | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | I remember that being discussed on ubuntu-devel | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | to go or not to go for double taps | 18:01 |
| cnd | jussi, ok, you should check the output of xinput | 18:01 |
| jussi | cnd: could you be more verbose? | 18:01 |
| cnd | jussi, if you want to pastebin xinput list --all I'll take a look | 18:01 |
| cnd | sorry, xinput list --long | 18:01 |
| jussi | cnd: I didnt look, but thats not going to have confidential stuff in it? | 18:03 |
| cnd | jussi, it shouldn't | 18:03 |
| cnd | just a list of your input devices | 18:04 |
| cnd | and info about them | 18:04 |
| jussi | cnd: ok, great http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027259/ | 18:04 |
| bulldog98_ | Riddell: throw me out no time atm | 18:04 |
| cnd | jussi, hmm.. you have an n-trig screen, which is usually multitouch | 18:05 |
| cnd | however, you don't have multitouch capabilities | 18:05 |
| cnd | either your hardware doesn't support it, or the kernel driver doesn't know how to talk to it properly | 18:05 |
| jussi | cnd: hrm, weird - Ive been told this thing should be supported in linux | 18:05 |
| cnd | tbh, I've not seen an n-trig device that *wasn't* supported at this point | 18:06 |
| cnd | so this is news to me | 18:06 |
| jussi | cnd: :/ | 18:06 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: what did you buy :P | 18:06 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: I didnt, its from my new workplace | 18:07 |
| cnd | jussi, you might want to have a look in your kernel logs | 18:07 |
| cnd | and/or dmesg | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok | 18:07 |
| jussi | http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/latitude-xt2/pd | 18:07 |
| cnd | to see if there's any messages from the ntrig driver | 18:07 |
| cnd | jussi... oh... that should be supported | 18:07 |
| cnd | jussi, another thing to try is to update the firmware | 18:07 |
| jussi | cnd: dmesg | grep ntrig ? | 18:07 |
| cnd | you have to update it from windows... | 18:08 |
| cnd | but firmware updates have resolved these weird situations in the past | 18:08 |
| cnd | I think there's a good chance it would resolve your issue | 18:08 |
| jussi | oh no | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | cool | 18:08 |
| cnd | you don't have windows anymore do you :) | 18:08 |
| jussi | I have no windows and no possibility of windows | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | hah | 18:08 |
| cnd | yeah, this is why I really don't like ntrig | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: there was a tool that updates firmwares for Dell PC's | 18:09 |
| shadeslayer | not sure if it'll work though | 18:09 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: link? :D | 18:09 |
| * shadeslayer is searching | 18:09 | |
| jussi | cnd: frustrating. | 18:09 |
| cnd | jussi: I know, I'm sorry :( | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS < Maybe this will help? | 18:10 |
| jussi | Unless running windows in a vm is enough... | 18:10 |
| cnd | jussi, it might be | 18:10 |
| cnd | the device is connected over USB, IIRC | 18:10 |
| cnd | so if you pass through the touchscreen, it might work | 18:10 |
| cnd | or you might fry it :) | 18:10 |
| cnd | who knows | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | those instructions look sane enough | 18:11 |
| jussi | bloody windows only firmware :/ | 18:13 |
| cnd | jussi, btw, ntrig likes to release new firmware once a week | 18:14 |
| shadeslayer | @_@ | 18:14 |
| shadeslayer | cnd: who the hell releases firmware updates once a week | 18:14 |
| cnd | or at least they did two years ago when we were starting to use them | 18:14 |
| jussi | cnd: sounds like firefox... | 18:14 |
| shadeslayer | nah | 18:14 |
| cnd | also, their hardware really doesn't work that well for multitouch | 18:15 |
| jussi | isnt that what they say... release early, release often? :D | 18:15 |
| shadeslayer | I'm on the nightly channel and I have updates everyday | 18:15 |
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| jussi | I wonder if a total reboot might help | 18:16 |
| jussi | cnd: what was it in that output that told you it wasnt functioning? | 18:21 |
| markey | is the kde beta packaged for precise? | 18:21 |
| markey | plasma in kde 4.8 is not making me happy | 18:21 |
| cnd | jussi: there was no multitouch-capable device listed | 18:21 |
| cnd | and, my knowledge of ntrig told me to expect an explicitly named N-Trig Multitouch device | 18:22 |
| cnd | and I only saw pen, eraser, and touch (which is single touch) | 18:22 |
| jussi | yeah, thanks | 18:23 |
| jussi | Id forgoten there was a pent | 18:23 |
| jussi | pen* | 18:23 |
| debfx | Riddell: the new kde-base-artwork tarball has no license file. how can we get that fixed? | 18:28 |
| debfx | yofel: how have we handled missing license copies in tarballs? did we just assume that docs are licensed under the GFDL? | 18:38 |
| yofel | usually the docs did have a copyright notice somewhere | 18:38 |
| yofel | I'm not sure what to do with the artwork either :/ | 18:39 |
| debfx | are you sure? I've checked gwenview and ark | 18:40 |
| debfx | both have a list of authors but no license information | 18:40 |
| debfx | gwenview has a COPYING.DOC but ark doesn't | 18:41 |
| yofel | debfx: ark has in it's index.docbook: <legalnotice>&FDLNotice;</legalnotice> which means whatever GFDL that's shipped in kdelibs | 18:46 |
| yofel | or where that was | 18:46 |
| debfx | aha, I only greped for GFDL | 18:47 |
| debfx | audiocd-kio doesn't have a legalnotice in its docs though :/ | 18:47 |
| yofel | -.- | 18:49 |
| debfx | sadly business as usual with new KDE tarballs | 18:50 |
| yofel | true, so far I've just fixed what was missing though, but there the copyright information was at least there | 18:52 |
| jussi | 2 hours till flight leaves... | 18:57 |
| jussi | Im really quite over this :/ | 18:58 |
| highvoltage | where are you stuck, jussi? | 19:03 |
| jussi | highvoltage: Im in helsinki, heading to Oulu. been waiting 7 hours... | 19:03 |
| jussi | I just want to see my wife and kid... :/ | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | jussi: sounds like no fun | 19:05 |
| jussi | highvoltage: yup, it sucks | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do we want to put amarok 26beta news on kubuntu.org? | 19:34 |
| * apachelogger is somehow missing words today | 19:35 | |
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| === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox | ||
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: you reads about the mighty desktop components? | 20:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I hadn't seen that yet, thanks | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | mighty important | 20:09 |
| JontheEchidna | yupyup | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rss watch kde-workspace-bugs | 20:13 |
| kubotu | Couldn't watch feed kde-workspace-bugs (no such feed found) | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rss list | 20:13 |
| kubotu | bugs: http://feeds.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/latest-bugs.atom (in format: default) | 20:13 |
| kubotu | members: http://feeds.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/branches.atom (in format: bazaar) | 20:13 |
| kubotu | planetkde: http://planetkde.org/rss20.xml (in format: default) | 20:13 |
| kubotu | runtime-bugs: http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/latest-bugs.atom (in format: default) | 20:13 |
| yofel | mighty desktop components? | 20:13 |
| kubotu | workspace-bugs: http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/latest-bugs.atom (in format: default) | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rss watch workspace-bugs | 20:13 |
| kubotu | done | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rss watch runtime-bugs | 20:13 |
| kubotu | okay then :) | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | yofel: qml components for the desktop | 20:13 |
| yofel | ah | 20:13 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/dragon] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (11 files in 3 dirs) add dragon packaging | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | dragon \o/ | 20:15 |
| yofel | the only tar that had the copyright done right btw :P | 20:15 |
| debfx | yay at least one :) | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | cuz I be the red dragon | 20:17 |
| apachelogger | also didn't I ask someone to nag tdfischer about wrong licensing? | 20:17 |
| yofel | me IIRC, forgot it | 20:17 |
| yofel | sry | 20:17 |
| apachelogger | well, it's your additional work :P | 20:18 |
| nixternal | if only dragon had frame-by-frame playback, i could use it 100%. but because it doesn't, vlc rocks the boat when it doesn't freeze on you :) | 20:18 |
| yofel | mostly it's a non-issue, but I'll nag him for audiocd-kio as he should fix the docs there | 20:19 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: ENORATIONALE | 20:20 |
| shadeslayer | omg | 20:24 |
| shadeslayer | VPS for 15 USD | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | for a year! | 20:26 |
| * apachelogger does not know what a vps is | 20:27 | |
| yofel | vserver | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | no clue what that is | 20:32 |
| yofel | vritual server session, i.e. xen session or whatever | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | hmmmmmmm | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | 180 USD question: what for? :P | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | hosting a video website? | 20:33 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://buyvm.net/ | 20:35 |
| shadeslayer | fwiw I can host quasselcore on there | 20:35 |
| shadeslayer | and a site | 20:35 |
| apachelogger | http://paratest.htu.tugraz.at/html/ | 20:43 |
| apachelogger | apparently I should be attending a partee | 20:43 |
| CIA-44 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdenetwork] Philip Muškovac * 175 * debian/ (changelog control libkopete4.symbols) * New upstream beta release - update libkopete4.symbols | 21:01 |
| ulysses | hm, Rocs doesn't use any of the installed icons | 23:12 |
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