[01:28] <ScottK> micahg: Didn't Kubuntu skip Alpha 1?
[01:28] <ScottK> Should be just stuff going to proposed that affects an image.
[01:28] <micahg> ScottK: I thought Riddell said that you were trying for i386/amd64
[01:29] <ScottK> Are we?  I lost track.
[01:29] <ScottK> Not sure the point without 4.4.80.
[01:29] <ScottK> Maybe that got uploaded when I wasn't looking.
[01:33] <micahg> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001305.html
[01:33] <ScottK> OK.
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> ew:
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
[03:48] <JontheEchidna>   what():  std::bad_alloc
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> mah krunner D:
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> probably an invalid pixmap cache :s
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm, that's probably what eagles had
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> not an invalid kde pixmap cache
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> ew: http://paste.kde.org/493934/
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> I enabled compositing and now it doesn't crash, go figure
[05:10] <apachelogger> wah
[05:10] <apachelogger> kwin to blame?
[06:29] <eagles0513875> hey agateau i have an interesting development. i purged kubuntu-desktop using kubuntu-* and it reverted me to the normal kde desktop and the kubuntu-desktop package is  is not even installed so I have no idea how i even have a normal kde desktop
[08:05] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: don't remove kubuntu-desktop, that makes no sense
[08:06] <Mamarok> somebody please reword the description of kubuntu-desktop, it is quite misleading and a source of problems to users
[08:08] <ikonia> Mamarok: in what way ?
[08:08] <ikonia> it's a meta package, it used to be clearly defined as a meta package 
[08:08] <ikonia> is it no longer ?
[08:09] <Mamarok> the "it is safe to remove" should be more explicit about what will change for the user, right now it is not clear to the user it will remove stuff
[08:10] <Mamarok> it is a meta package, but if you remove it it will remove quite a few things and you will not have all kde core components anymore
[08:10] <Mamarok> it should not be removed by the user
[08:10] <ikonia> it never used to actually remove anything, when did it start actually having package removal depenencies ?
[08:11] <Mamarok> well, it does
[08:11] <ikonia> I don't doubt it 
[08:11] <Mamarok> no ides who changed what, but now it is certainly not something that should be removed
[08:11] <Mamarok> idea*
[08:11] <Mamarok> and I agree with you, it should not remove anything
[08:12] <ikonia> I wonder if the same is now true of ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop for example
[08:12] <Riddell> removing kubuntu-desktop doesn't remove anything
[08:13] <Riddell> but it does mean you won't get new packages in updates that are needed especially on release upgrades
[08:13] <Riddell> words to describe that are fiddly
[08:13] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, then this should be said
[08:13] <Mamarok> Riddell: the easiest is to not say it is safe to remove
[08:14] <Mamarok> but instead: if you remove this package you will no longer get updates for some components needed in release upgrades
[08:14] <Riddell> probably that was there when we had everything depend on it and it got removed if you didn't like one app
[08:14] <Riddell> now a lot of apps are recommends rather than depends
[08:14] <Riddell> so I think it'll be safe to just remove that line
[08:14] <Mamarok> currently we have a lot of users who emoved that and run into problems
[08:15] <Mamarok> also why does it talk about netbook when this is clearly the desktop package?
[08:16] <Mamarok> isn't kubuntu-netbook doing the netbook stuff
[08:17] <Mamarok> anyway, I need to run to the market, bbl
[08:21] <Riddell> kubuntu-netbook is a transitional package, it can be removed
[08:27] <Riddell> nuff automation larks, I should get on this 4.9 beta today
[08:28] <Riddell> oh and alpha 1 too
[08:47] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: well it seems to have fixed a really annoying issue i was having yet i still have fully functioning desktop, granted its not the netbook version, 
[08:50] <eagles0513875> Riddell: whats the purpose of having a netbook layout when the normal kde desktop look works just fine and actually imho performs better
[08:51] <Riddell> I would disagree
[08:52] <eagles0513875> how come?
[09:10] <Riddell> ooh quantal works!
[09:21] <eagles0513875> Riddell: it works smashingly minus the netbook stuff which is broken out the backside atm
[09:52] <Riddell> more alpha testing needed but I'm happy with the current images http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/221/builds
[09:55] <Riddell> Thu 14th at 16:00 seems like best time for a meeting even if it is a week away
[10:35] <debfx> why is the kdeobservatory widget in an own package?
[10:36] <Riddell> dunno, extra dependency maybe?
[10:36] <debfx> ah right, it depends in libqwt6
[10:52] <Riddell> cor debian is pretty far behind in kde sc packaging
[11:10] <jussi> Is there a reason we arent donating ours? 
[11:19] <Mamarok> Riddell: are you sure you didn't get it wrong with the doodle result?
[11:20] <Mamarok> Tue 12th at 8pm shows more attendees
[11:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: sabdfl added himself and I think it's well worth having him since currently Kubuntu needs some love from canonical management
[11:25] <Mamarok> ah, right, didn't see that his is missing there
[11:45] <Stecchino> User asks why ubuntu-restricted-extras can't be made a dep of amarok https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301264
[11:46] <debfx> hm building all of kubuntu on a Raspberry Pi... that could take a few years ;)
[11:46] <Stecchino> If amarok is not in the default install, would that be possible?
[11:46] <Stecchino> debfx: why not cross compile?
[11:47] <debfx> idk, someone on the kubuntu-devel lists is asking how to do that
[11:48] <Stecchino> setting up a cross compile certainly is not trivial
[11:48] <Stecchino> so compiling on device might make sense
[11:48] <Riddell> Stecchino: it's kubuntu-restricted-extras he wants and the whole point of the package is it needs to be kept off the CD and in multiverse
[11:48] <Stecchino> I believe that need to be done for packaging anyway
[11:48] <Stecchino> Riddell: yeah, thought so
[11:48] <Stecchino> but what about in the beta ppa?
[11:49] <Riddell> Stecchino: he should be prompted to install it when he starts amarok but I don't know how well that works in practice
[11:49] <Stecchino> in any case, I need to fix the bug with restricted-codecs-installer
[11:49] <Stecchino> Seems like i broke it
[11:49] <Riddell> ppa packages should be as close as possible to archive, divergance makes them unmaintainable
[11:51] <Stecchino> I C
[11:53] <debfx> one of (k)ubuntu's values is to not automatically install non-free software. that should apply to "official" PPAs as well.
[13:29] <eagles0513875> hey agateau
[13:32] <apachelogger> I just added a patch to akonadi maildir and broke notes again Oo
[13:36] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: sadly its a vicious circle fix one thing to sadly break something else
[13:36] <apachelogger> well
[13:36] <apachelogger> the ting is
[13:36] <apachelogger> I fixed notes in another patch already
[13:36] <apachelogger> the error it spits out should not happen at all
[13:36] <apachelogger> *should*
[13:42] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i found out somethign rather interesting to the bug i was experiencing
[13:43] <agateau> hey eagles0513875
[13:43] <eagles0513875> agateau: not sure if you saw my update to the bug but i purged kubuntu-desktop and did kubuntu-* in 2 different purges and i ended up with the standard kde desktop that you would find on a desktop pc
[13:43] <eagles0513875> and everything is working just fine oddly enough
[13:44] <agateau> eagles0513875: weird
[13:45] <eagles0513875> agateau: one thing though that mamarok mentioned earlier is that with out the meta package i dont get any notifications of updates
[13:45] <agateau> eagles0513875: this is true
[13:46] <eagles0513875> agateau: was about to try and reinstall kubuntu-desktop meta package and see if i stay with the current desktop or the netbook version is reinstalled
[13:47] <ikonia> kubuntu-desktop is not the net book meta package
[13:47] <eagles0513875> as of right now the standard desktop is rock solid the netbook version isnt. Riddell also mentioned that the kubuntu netbook package is a dummy package if im not mistaken?
[13:47] <ikonia> earlier riddle was saying there was a transitional package for the netbook setup
[13:47] <eagles0513875> ikonia: then why was it installed on my system initiall 
[13:48] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it still uses the same base components
[13:48] <eagles0513875> so is the kubuntu netbook package granted its transitional still a meta package?
[13:48] <ikonia> granted it's transitional ?
[13:48] <ikonia> kubuntu-netbook is a meta package if that's what you are asking
[13:49] <agateau> eagles0513875: it has always been a meta package, but it's now deprecated, you can remove it
[13:50] <eagles0513875> ok what package should i reinstall to get the netbook desktop back
[13:50] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: you do know that this is the -devel channel, do you? Please keep user questions to #kubuntu
[13:50] <ikonia> eagles0513875: join the support channels
[13:51] <Riddell> 14:47 <skaet> hiya,  could you go add the Kubuntu changes to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview ?
[13:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, debfx, yofel_, apachelogger, other useful pacakging people: anything good in the syncs? ^^
[13:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: amaork2.6beta
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde 483
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: nothing intersting other than that
[13:56] <apachelogger> in quantal-changes anyway
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, btw, if you see d_ed kindly poke him into making the new ktp release happening so we can get started with the QA bus ;)
[13:57]  * apachelogger answers rpi mail
[13:57] <Riddell> the QA bus?
[13:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: testing
[13:58] <apachelogger> we promised supreme testing exposure to ensure a smooth initial deployment in quantal
[13:59] <Riddell> ah QA of kde-telepathy in quantal?
[13:59] <apachelogger> well, for quantal
[13:59] <apachelogger> QA in quantal and precise
[13:59] <apachelogger> + call for testing
[14:50] <agateau> ScottK: hi, did you find time to test the massif-visualizer package on your arm system?
[15:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: jtechidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027034/ objections?
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: rationale on that?
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: login -> U HAZ UPDATES  && APPORT GO SCREW U && AKONADI GO SCREW U && FILE TRANSFER &&....
[15:33] <apachelogger> updates really do not need to be displayed rihgt after login
[15:34] <apachelogger> 5 minutes might be a tad too long, but that is subject to change based on real world expierence ^^
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> maybe wait a minute instead
[15:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 2
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> k
[15:35] <apachelogger> so the system settles in
[15:35] <apachelogger> i.e. on first start nepomuk bloat will hog the cpu for at least a minute or two
[15:36] <apachelogger> god knows why consideirng the home is empty
[15:42] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/06/plasma-desktopQv2367.png
[15:42] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  it's just waiting for something to happen, virtuoso -t ..since I don't need nepomuk , it and akonadi are both disabled here 
[15:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:42] <apachelogger> h,?
[15:42] <apachelogger> hm?
[15:42] <apachelogger> virtuoso should not be started without nepomukserver....
[15:50] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, that's not what I meant ...virtuoso -t is usually the cpu hogger 
[15:50] <apachelogger> not only that thing
[15:51] <BluesKaj> if nepomuk is enabled
[15:51] <apachelogger> uha
[15:52] <apachelogger> stupid apport
[15:53] <apachelogger>                 desktop_file = apport.fileutils.find_package_desktopfile(self.cur_package)
[15:53] <BluesKaj> wish there wasn't the negative option with the kdepim apps ..I don't use most of them 
[15:53] <apachelogger> negative option?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> installed by default , so I have to disable them if i don't use them 
[15:54] <apachelogger> don't quite compute
[15:54] <apachelogger> what's wrong with kdepim?
[15:55] <apachelogger> if we did not install defaults because people would need to disable them if they don't want it we coud just as well ship a kernel only :P
[15:55] <BluesKaj> being a home user , i don't need most of kdepim
[15:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/06/plasma-desktopMJ2367.png u broke my apport
[15:56] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: u don't read emails?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> I use thunderbird
[15:59] <apachelogger> so it is a matter of defaults not of whether you are a home user :P
[15:59]  * apachelogger finds kmail too bloated anyway
[15:59] <apachelogger> way too many buttons for me
[16:01] <apachelogger> afiestas: could you try https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/staging/+files/kdepim-runtime-dbg_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1%2Bppa1_i386.deb please
[16:01] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, don't get me wrong i would like to use kmail etc , but it's constant segfaulting drove me away 
[16:01] <apachelogger> that seems to fix akonadi screw ups for me
[16:01] <afiestas> BluesKaj: segfaulting?
[16:01] <afiestas> KMail deos many thing wrong but segfaulting isn't one of them
[16:01] <afiestas> at least not in my computers
[16:01]  * apachelogger had still notifications with it tho yesterday
[16:01] <BluesKaj> afiestas, wanna bet :)
[16:02] <apachelogger> so I wouldn't hold my breath that it gets through verification
[16:02] <afiestas> BluesKaj: I wanna crash reports
[16:02] <afiestas> and backtraces
[16:02] <BluesKaj> well , it did here 
[16:02] <apachelogger> +
[16:03] <afiestas> reports should go to bugs.kde.org
[16:03] <Riddell> ooh I've reached the end of the simple packages for 4.8.80
[16:03] <afiestas> if not, they are useless (upstream developers don't read them)
[16:03] <Riddell> now the fiddly ones to go
[16:07] <apachelogger> oh, Riddell, while you wait for building ... could you try to verify that my kdepim-runtime package does not give bogus akonadi errors on kontact start https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/staging/+files/kdepim-runtime-dbg_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1%2Bppa1_i386.deb
[16:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: bah firefox installer in quatzal just errors saying "sorry the packaging system can not be initialised"
[16:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdepim isn't done yet, bulldog98's name is down for that
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: with precise then :P
[16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: precise is old school, I don't use that any more
[16:09] <apachelogger> lol
[16:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: you fixed the .local issue?
[16:09] <apachelogger> looks like it
[16:09] <apachelogger> hard to tell with akonadi
[16:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: shall we test on ec2?
[16:10] <apachelogger> how can you test on ec2?
[16:10]  * apachelogger is all for testing ^^
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 1000508
[16:10] <Riddell> start an ec2 machine, install kubuntu-desktop, start vnc, test
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> the toolchain people seem rather unresponsive
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I have it in a VM
[16:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: gosh that's a surprisingly hardcore issue
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: but just because it works here does not mean it fixes the issue ... akonadi is fun like that
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it was a pain to figure out what was happening :(
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> I have a workaround in git, though. (don't compile the worker with c++11)
[16:12] <apachelogger> hmm
[16:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 2 minutes seems good enough
[16:12] <apachelogger> plus much better UX
[16:12]  * apachelogger ponders SRUing
[16:18] <BluesKaj> afiestas, the segfault that i reported about kmail were all shoved aside due to duplications , but kmail continues to segfault here ..I'm not being critical ..i'd like to use kmail , but it's impossible for me to use 
[16:21] <apachelogger> oh well, I can't get the konact issue anymore
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell, afiestas: if you could some additional testing that would be good, I'll then push it to proposed and hope it gets thrugh verifiction ^^
[16:23] <apachelogger> unike the ppa2 package ppa1 at least does not make matters worse ^^
[16:23] <afiestas> BluesKaj: didn't pretent to say you were being critical, just pointing the fact that if we don't push upstream they won't fix anything
[16:23] <afiestas> apachelogger: bit busy right now, in 30min or so
[16:23] <BluesKaj> afiestas, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286307
[16:23] <apachelogger> yeah, moving on meanwhile
[16:43] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: fail to reproduce
[16:45] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, what else is new ? :P
[16:46] <apachelogger> instructions would be good
[16:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: vnc://ubuntu@ec2-107-21-151-241.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901
[16:46] <Riddell> is up
[16:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: what do I do to test?
[16:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: fire up kontact
[16:47] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, usually segfaults on my setup when trying to move emails into other folders or when trying to delete emils 
[16:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: I already have a ~/.local does that matter?
[16:47] <apachelogger> nope
[16:48] <apachelogger> the issue is not about .local as such but the sub dirs the resources want to be there
[16:48] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: imap or pop?
[16:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: does not exist notification!
[16:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:49] <apachelogger> groovy
[16:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe try a couple more times
[16:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: starting kontact more times?
[16:49] <apachelogger> when debugging I noticed that some of the notifications are highly timing dependent
[16:49] <Riddell> what will that do?
[16:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: with new users
[16:49] <apachelogger> or logout and wipe the home clean
[16:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: well we know the bug exists, what should I do to test your fix?
[16:50] <apachelogger> install the package
[16:51] <apachelogger> and start kontact multiple times on clean homes
[16:51] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, both 
[16:51] <apachelogger> if no notifications appear we can assume it works
[16:51] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: fun
[16:51] <apachelogger> still can't reproduce tho
[16:53] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, oh well , I can live with thunderbird, besides I'm not a big fan of akonadi and nepomuk anyway 
[16:54] <apachelogger> the socialist way to look at this is that by helping getting it fixed you make other people happy
[16:54] <jussi> :-) 
[16:54] <BluesKaj> <---not a socialist 
[16:55] <jussi> blueskaj: weirdo :P
[16:55] <BluesKaj> I help enough 
[17:00] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Did you still want -bugs forwarded here?
[17:00] <ryanakca> (if I understood my irc logs properly)
[17:00] <BluesKaj> jussi, nice :/
[17:00] <jussi> blueskaj?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> jussi, ?
[17:05] <ScottK> agateau: I did.  It built fine and I pinged you.  I guess you missed the highlight.
[17:07] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yus
[17:24] <apachelogger> yofel_: shadeslayer cannot help packaging as I am still waiting on data he is supposed to collect
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also the data better be worth waiting a month
[17:25] <shadeslayer> ...
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ETA is at most one week on that
[17:26] <shadeslayer> I need to sort some visa stuff for akademy as well ...
[17:26] <apachelogger> k
[17:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: using kdepim-runtime 0.1+ppa2 from your staging PPA the error still occurs
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this was a task from the 12.04 UDS right?
[17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: ppa1 please
[17:36] <apachelogger> ppa2 regressed though I have no idea why
[17:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nah, was before
[17:37] <apachelogger> at some meeting IIRC
[17:37] <apachelogger> the one wer we talked about tooling :P
[17:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:37] <shadeslayer> I doubt that there are logs
[17:37] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:38] <shadeslayer> well ... on irc.ubuntu.com ... but I'll have to wget everthing for the past 6 months and grep them
[17:38] <shadeslayer> *irclogs.ubuntu.com
[17:39]  * apachelogger grabs some lunch
[17:46] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newpackage kile 2.1.2
[17:46] <kubotu> Package kile already exists!
[17:46] <shadeslayer> whut
[17:46] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:46] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion kile 2.1.2
[17:46] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009626
[17:50] <afiestas> apachelogger: http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-evolution-twitchy-online-game.html
[17:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: same error with 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1+ppa1 :(
[17:53] <jussi> hrm, how does one enable multitouch support in kubuntu
[17:53] <jussi> ?
[17:53] <Riddell> jussi: no idea I'm afraid
[17:53] <jussi> :/ I have one but no idea how to use it 
[17:54] <afiestas> jussi: install utouch (it is not by default in either ubuntu spin)
[17:54] <jussi> its single touch atm
[17:54] <afiestas> then for kde integration, touchegg
[17:54] <jussi> afiestas: oh, cool, thanks
[17:54] <ScottK> jussi: If more is needed to enable multitouch, cnd can probably tell you.
[17:55] <jussi> ScottK: ok, thanks for the tip
[17:55] <jussi> brb
[17:55] <cnd> afiestas, you shouldn't need to install utouch, it's a meta package that gives you some developer headers
[17:55] <cnd> that's all
[17:55] <cnd> jussi, what are you looking to do?
[17:55]  * afiestas bought an apple touchapd thing, expects to bring multitouch to its better state in kde
[17:55] <afiestas> cnd: with ubuntu (not kubuintu) I needed it
[17:56] <cnd> afiestas, you still don't need utouch installed
[17:56] <cnd> unless you plan on developing with the utouch libraries
[17:56] <afiestas> then, what do I need exactly for the same time?
[17:56] <cnd> on ubuntu, all the runtime libraries are installed already because they are needed for unity
[17:56] <afiestas> because wahtever it was it got installed with that metapackage
[17:57] <cnd> afiestas, I don't really know what it is you're referring to :)
[17:57] <cnd> what functionality did you gain after installing utouch?
[17:57] <afiestas> well, I paired the multitouch apple thing, it didn't did anything, not even scroll with 2 fingers
[17:57] <afiestas> installed utouch, rebooted, got it working if I remember correctly
[17:58] <cnd> afiestas, two-finger scrolling is part of the mouse settings
[17:58] <shadeslayer> afiestas: iirc utouch-geis is broken
[17:58] <shadeslayer> utterly
[17:58] <jussi> cnd: I just want full functionality (pinch zooming and stuff) on this screen (Dell XT2)
[17:58] <cnd> shadeslayer, hmm?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> haven't followed it up for some months though
[17:58] <shadeslayer> cnd: last I heard, utouch-geis which handles multitouch was broken
[17:58]  * shadeslayer looks it up
[17:58] <cnd> shadeslayer, utouch-geis should be working now, it's a core functionality of utouch
[17:59] <jussi> cnd: after logging in and out it doesnt seem to help what afiestas said
[17:59] <shadeslayer> cnd: oh, it's working in Precise?
[17:59] <cnd> jussi: there aren't many applications with multitouch gesture support yet
[17:59] <jussi> oh
[17:59] <jussi> its an app thing then
[17:59] <cnd> yeah
[17:59] <shadeslayer> apparently the plasmoids are supposed to rotate
[17:59] <shadeslayer> with two fingers
[18:00] <shadeslayer> so that's a good test to figure out if it's working or not :)
[18:00] <cnd> shadeslayer, jussi: most two touch stuff from a touchpad won't work
[18:00] <cnd> because the synaptics X input module is usurping them to perform scrolling
[18:00] <cnd> or two-tap for right click
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ...
[18:00] <jussi> cnd: this is an actual touch screen
[18:00] <cnd> that is a fundamental problem with X
[18:01] <shadeslayer> I remember that being discussed on ubuntu-devel
[18:01] <shadeslayer> to go or not to go for double taps
[18:01] <cnd> jussi, ok, you should check the output of xinput
[18:01] <jussi> cnd: could you be more verbose? 
[18:01] <cnd> jussi, if you want to pastebin xinput list --all I'll take a look
[18:01] <cnd> sorry, xinput list --long
[18:03] <jussi> cnd: I didnt look, but thats not going to have confidential stuff in it? 
[18:03] <cnd> jussi, it shouldn't
[18:04] <cnd> just a list of your input devices
[18:04] <cnd> and info about them
[18:04] <jussi> cnd: ok, great http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027259/
[18:04] <bulldog98_> Riddell: throw me out no time atm
[18:05] <cnd> jussi, hmm.. you have an n-trig screen, which is usually multitouch
[18:05] <cnd> however, you don't have multitouch capabilities
[18:05] <cnd> either your hardware doesn't support it, or the kernel driver doesn't know how to talk to it properly
[18:05] <jussi> cnd: hrm, weird - Ive been told this thing should be supported in linux
[18:06] <cnd> tbh, I've not seen an n-trig device that *wasn't* supported at this point
[18:06] <cnd> so this is news to me
[18:06] <jussi> cnd: :/
[18:06] <shadeslayer> jussi: what did you buy :P
[18:07] <jussi> shadeslayer: I didnt, its from my new workplace
[18:07] <cnd> jussi, you might want to have a look in your kernel logs
[18:07] <cnd> and/or dmesg
[18:07] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:07] <jussi> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/latitude-xt2/pd
[18:07] <cnd> to see if there's any messages from the ntrig driver
[18:07] <cnd> jussi... oh... that should be supported
[18:07] <cnd> jussi, another thing to try is to update the firmware
[18:07] <jussi> cnd: dmesg | grep ntrig ?
[18:08] <cnd> you have to update it from windows...
[18:08] <cnd> but firmware updates have resolved these weird situations in the past
[18:08] <cnd> I think there's a good chance it would resolve your issue
[18:08] <jussi> oh no
[18:08] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:08] <cnd> you don't have windows anymore do you :)
[18:08] <jussi> I have no windows and no possibility of windows
[18:08] <shadeslayer> hah
[18:08] <cnd> yeah, this is why I really don't like ntrig
[18:09] <shadeslayer> jussi: there was a tool that updates firmwares for Dell PC's
[18:09] <shadeslayer> not sure if it'll work though
[18:09] <jussi> shadeslayer: link? :D
[18:09]  * shadeslayer is searching
[18:09] <jussi> cnd: frustrating. 
[18:10] <cnd> jussi: I know, I'm sorry :(
[18:10] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS < Maybe this will help?
[18:10] <jussi> Unless running windows in a vm is enough...
[18:10] <cnd> jussi, it might be
[18:10] <cnd> the device is connected over USB, IIRC
[18:10] <cnd> so if you pass through the touchscreen, it might work
[18:10] <cnd> or you might fry it :)
[18:10] <cnd> who knows
[18:11] <shadeslayer> those instructions look sane enough
[18:13] <jussi> bloody windows only firmware :/
[18:14] <cnd> jussi, btw, ntrig likes to release new firmware once a week
[18:14] <shadeslayer> @_@
[18:14] <shadeslayer> cnd: who the hell releases firmware updates once a week
[18:14] <cnd> or at least they did two years ago when we were starting to use them
[18:14] <jussi> cnd: sounds like firefox...
[18:14] <shadeslayer> nah
[18:15] <cnd> also, their hardware really doesn't work that well for multitouch
[18:15] <jussi> isnt that what they say... release early, release often? :D
[18:15] <shadeslayer> I'm on the nightly channel and I have updates everyday
[18:16] <jussi> I wonder if a total reboot might help
[18:21] <jussi> cnd: what was it in that output that told you it wasnt functioning? 
[18:21] <markey> is the kde beta packaged for precise?
[18:21] <markey> plasma in kde 4.8 is not making me happy
[18:21] <cnd> jussi: there was no multitouch-capable device listed
[18:22] <cnd> and, my knowledge of ntrig told me to expect an explicitly named N-Trig Multitouch device
[18:22] <cnd> and I only saw pen, eraser, and touch (which is single touch)
[18:23] <jussi> yeah, thanks
[18:23] <jussi> Id forgoten there was a pent
[18:23] <jussi> pen*
[18:28] <debfx> Riddell: the new kde-base-artwork tarball has no license file. how can we get that fixed?
[18:38] <debfx> yofel: how have we handled missing license copies in tarballs? did we just assume that docs are licensed under the GFDL?
[18:38] <yofel> usually the docs did have a copyright notice somewhere
[18:39] <yofel> I'm not sure what to do with the artwork either :/
[18:40] <debfx> are you sure? I've checked gwenview and ark
[18:40] <debfx> both have a list of authors but no license information
[18:41] <debfx> gwenview has a COPYING.DOC but ark doesn't
[18:46] <yofel> debfx: ark has in it's index.docbook: <legalnotice>&FDLNotice;</legalnotice> which means whatever GFDL that's shipped in kdelibs
[18:46] <yofel> or where that was
[18:47] <debfx> aha, I only greped for GFDL
[18:47] <debfx> audiocd-kio doesn't have a legalnotice in its docs though  :/
[18:49] <yofel> -.-
[18:50] <debfx> sadly business as usual with new KDE tarballs
[18:52] <yofel> true, so far I've just fixed what was missing though, but there the copyright information was at least there
[18:57] <jussi> 2 hours till flight leaves...
[18:58] <jussi> Im really quite over this :/
[19:03] <highvoltage> where are you stuck, jussi?
[19:03] <jussi> highvoltage: Im in helsinki, heading to Oulu. been waiting 7 hours... 
[19:03] <jussi> I just want to see my wife and kid... :/
[19:05] <highvoltage> jussi: sounds like no fun
[19:06] <jussi> highvoltage: yup, it sucks
[19:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we want to put amarok 26beta news on kubuntu.org?
[19:35]  * apachelogger is somehow missing words today
[20:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you reads about the mighty desktop components?
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I hadn't seen that yet, thanks
[20:09] <apachelogger> mighty important
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> yupyup
[20:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: rss watch kde-workspace-bugs
[20:13] <kubotu> Couldn't watch feed kde-workspace-bugs (no such feed found)
[20:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: rss list
[20:13] <kubotu> bugs: http://feeds.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/latest-bugs.atom (in format: default)
[20:13] <kubotu> members: http://feeds.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/branches.atom (in format: bazaar)
[20:13] <kubotu> planetkde: http://planetkde.org/rss20.xml (in format: default)
[20:13] <kubotu> runtime-bugs: http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/latest-bugs.atom (in format: default)
[20:13] <yofel> mighty desktop components?
[20:13] <kubotu> workspace-bugs: http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/latest-bugs.atom (in format: default)
[20:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: rss watch workspace-bugs
[20:13] <kubotu> done
[20:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: rss watch runtime-bugs
[20:13] <kubotu> okay then :)
[20:13] <apachelogger> yofel: qml components for the desktop
[20:13] <yofel> ah
[20:14] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/dragon] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (11 files in 3 dirs) add dragon packaging
[20:15] <apachelogger> dragon \o/
[20:15] <yofel> the only tar that had the copyright done right btw :P
[20:16] <debfx> yay at least one :)
[20:17] <apachelogger> cuz I be the red dragon
[20:17] <apachelogger> also didn't I ask someone to nag tdfischer about wrong licensing?
[20:17] <yofel> me IIRC, forgot it
[20:17] <yofel> sry
[20:18] <apachelogger> well, it's your additional work :P
[20:18] <nixternal> if only dragon had frame-by-frame playback, i could use it 100%. but because it doesn't, vlc rocks the boat when it doesn't freeze on you :)
[20:19] <yofel> mostly it's a non-issue, but I'll nag him for audiocd-kio as he should fix the docs there
[20:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: ENORATIONALE
[20:24] <shadeslayer> omg
[20:25] <shadeslayer> VPS for 15 USD
[20:26] <shadeslayer> for a year!
[20:27]  * apachelogger does not know what a vps is
[20:29] <yofel> vserver
[20:32] <apachelogger> no clue what that is
[20:33] <yofel> vritual server session, i.e. xen session or whatever
[20:33] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmm
[20:33] <apachelogger> 180 USD question: what for? :P
[20:33] <apachelogger> hosting a video website?
[20:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://buyvm.net/
[20:35] <shadeslayer> fwiw I can host quasselcore on there
[20:35] <shadeslayer> and a site
[20:43] <apachelogger> http://paratest.htu.tugraz.at/html/
[20:43] <apachelogger> apparently I should be attending a partee
[21:01] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdenetwork] Philip Muškovac * 175 * debian/ (changelog control libkopete4.symbols) * New upstream beta release - update libkopete4.symbols
[23:12] <ulysses> hm, Rocs doesn't use any of the installed icons