=== jalcine is now known as Jacky === smb` is now known as smb === fabo_ is now known as fabo === doko_ is now known as doko === plars is now known as plars-away [13:58] hello guys :) [13:58] When will be the next meeting? [14:00] qa meeting due nowish :) [14:00] sorry? [14:01] I mean the ubuntu membership meeting> [14:02] MohamedAlaa98: I know they recently changed the structure. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership has the full details. [14:02] aloha everyone! [14:02] hi balloons [14:03] let's have at it [14:03] #startmeeting ubuntu qa community [14:03] Meeting started Wed Jun 6 14:03:27 2012 UTC. The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [14:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: [14:03] Ok, let's do a quick role call and see who's around [14:03] o/ [14:04] me :) [14:05] excellent :-) [14:05] I can only assume everyone else is iso testing :-) [14:05] [TOPIC] Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: Previous Actions [14:06] I don't believe we have any [14:07] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Updates [14:07] So, I wonder if gema is around [14:08] the UK has had a bit of a holiday and long weekend [14:08] we're all supposed to be back today :) [14:08] in general she is [14:08] that's right.. everyone is back today :-) [14:09] We'll move on for the moment to the flavors I think [14:09] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Flavor Updates [14:09] phillw, why don't you start us off -- and is your successor around? [14:10] my successor has not agreed to the role - so you're stuck with me :P [14:10] :p [14:11] testing seems okay. a few minor niggles. One thing that is causing concern is that there does not appear to be a browser for ppc builds in 12.10 (they used Ffox in 12.04). === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha [14:11] I'm still here :) [14:12] phillw, what do you mean no browser? [14:12] no Chromium (never was ppc) but no Ffox either this time. [14:12] aka, there's no ppc build for ffox.. [14:12] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1008975 [14:12] Launchpad bug 1008975 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Firefox and Chromium missing from powerpc live cd image" [Undecided,Incomplete] [14:12] did they drop support on ff's end? [14:13] quit [14:13] idk, I was made aware of it a couple of days ago. The lubuntu-qa team is in discussion with Julien, but I guess it would affect all of the ppc builds? [14:14] seems like it does https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691898 [14:14] Mozilla bug 691898 in JavaScript Engine "Use YARR interpreter instead of PCRE on platforms where YARR JIT is not supported, since PCRE doesnt build" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [14:15] anyways, it looks like they fixed the issue, so it should be possible to build on ppc again with there code changes [14:15] excellent news, i will communicate it to the testers :) [14:16] well, julien linked to the ubuntu bug, which is still pending [14:16] how do we go about getting it into 12.10? [14:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/987421 [14:16] Launchpad bug 987421 in thunderbird (Ubuntu Quantal) "Firefox/Thunderbird 12 FTBFS on powerpc" [Medium,Triaged] [14:17] okies, I'll leave it in Juliens' capable hands :) [14:17] :-) [14:17] the good news is it CAN be fixed, how's that? [14:17] anything else to report? [14:18] nope. I'm done :) [14:18] thanks phillw [14:18] and as always, thanks to all the lubuntu QA team -- you guys are doing good work again on alpha one :-) [14:19] alright, do we have someone from xubuntu? [14:21] astraljava, you about? [14:21] how about ubuntu studio? [14:22] Well I can give the update for both that they are not participating in alpha 1.. [14:22] anyone around for kubuntu? [14:22] They too are not issuing iso's for alpha 1 [14:23] mm? [14:23] I'm testing alpha 1 right now [14:23] err.. sorry Riddell [14:24] yes, not the full suite of images.. just the desktop for alpha 1 [14:24] correct? [14:24] right, which will probably become the full suite of images [14:25] great, anything else to report -- how's the testing going? [14:25] pleasingly well [14:26] anything else to add? [14:26] not just now [14:26] that's great news.. I hope it's smooth sailing for you :-) [14:27] Alright, finally mythbuntu, which isn't pushing out a DVD for alpha 1 [14:28] [TOPIC] Other Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu qa community Meeting | Current topic: Other Updates [14:28] I suppose I shall fill in then for updates for ubuntu [14:28] As everyone knows, it's alpha 1 testing time [14:29] we've had a few respins already, fixing some kernel bugs and other issues [14:30] the following caused respins: [14:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-base/+bug/1006717 [14:30] Launchpad bug 1006717 in The Eilt project "[MIR] linux-base" [High,New] [14:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1008898 [14:30] Launchpad bug 1008898 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "crash after inserting wireless password" [High,Fix released] [14:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1008905 [14:30] Launchpad bug 1008905 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "Quantal Desktop AMD64+Mac on MacMini: BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000000000000a0" [High,Fix released] [14:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1006937 [14:31] Launchpad bug 1006937 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "dhclient does not send hostname to dhcp-server" [Undecided,Fix released] [14:31] thanks to everyone testing on alpha 1 and helping find and sort out these issues [14:32] Updates from me: [14:32] working on the first call for testing to be announced tomorrow -- we'll be testing the 12.10 kernel on 12.04 and using the qatracker to do it :-) [14:33] working with popey to understand how unity testing will happen this cycle [14:34] and meeting with the hexr team to understand how we can roll out a community hardware database using HEXR [14:34] Anyone else have a question or update they'd like to share? [14:34] o/ [14:34] go ahead [14:35] do you have the link to the area where the devs flag up what is being considered to cause a respin. It was an excellent resource last time :) [14:37] phillw, sure [14:37] afaik, no one dared edit anything on it last cycle from lubuntu-qa :) [14:37] hehe :-) [14:38] yes, also I was just checking, but the build notes for the iso's should contain the same information [14:39] I'm not sure I'm seeing such things, so that's something for me to follow-up with [14:39] alright, anything else? [14:39] if not, we're finishing up early :-) [14:39] o/ [14:40] jibel, go ahead [14:40] about quantal alpha 1 testing [14:40] as you said we've had a few respins already [14:40] I'd just like to mention that there is a build in progress of ubuntu desktop [14:41] and new images will be published in 1h or so [14:41] jibel, ohh really? ahh [14:41] so stay tuned on #ubuntu-testing to help us review these images [14:41] I just synced and was surprised nothing new came in overnight [14:41] balloons, really [14:41] we need tests on HW with wireless and Macs [14:42] but review on VM won't hurt :) [14:42] your bugfix is landing for the mac mini? [14:42] yep, new kernel to fix a bug with B43 wireless cards [14:43] and fix in Ubiquity to workaround a bug in python3 [14:43] that's all from me [14:43] .. [14:43] thanks jibel ! [14:43] ok, everyone thanks for coming out.. happy testing [14:44] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [14:44] Meeting ended Wed Jun 6 14:44:02 2012 UTC. [14:44] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-06-14.03.moin.txt [14:44] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-06-14.03.html [15:00] o/ [15:00] * slangasek waves [15:01] #startmeeting [15:01] Meeting started Wed Jun 6 15:01:44 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:01] * stgraber waves [15:01] moop [15:02] [TOPIC] lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round [15:02] * xnox turns off countdown theme tune [15:02] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu) [15:02] ogra ev stokachu stgraber slangasek xnox cjwatson bdmurray infinity doko barry jodh [15:02] nice [15:02] geez, i'm first ! [15:03] done: [15:03] * flash-kernel fixes and merges and more findings for more fixes and merges next [15:03] week [15:03] * image tests ... and more image tests.. and even more ahead [15:03] * researching image build issues [15:03] * discovered a bunch of bugs with the recent panda kernels and worked with paolo on them [15:03] todo: [15:03] * corpus christi tomorrow in my state (not all of germany has it as a bank holiday, my state does though) [15:03] * fix live-build to actually produce ac100 images with the new flash-kernel [15:03] * finally switch to live arm images now that A1 is done [15:03] * look into how to integrate flash-kernel into debian-cd to make images bootable [15:03] * upload pending merges [15:03] .. [15:03] pass (still typing) [15:04] stokachu: has been working hard this week as well?! [15:04] stokachu: hiya :) anything you'd like to share re: this week's activity? (autofs, autofs, and more autofs) [15:04] slangasek: there was dpatch envolved as well =) [15:06] stgraber: go ahead [15:06] - SRU [15:06] - Went through the list of pending SRUs for Precise and helped verify these that didn't need any weird setup [15:06] - First 12.04.1 team meeting, worked on team wiki page, announced team on mailing-lists [15:06] - While testing LXC nesting, found a pretty nasty bug in euca2ools (making /etc/ssl/certs a static file if installed before openssl), fixed and SRUed [15:06] - Release [15:06] - Quick training on cdimage handling and alpha-1 preparing with Kate [15:06] - Alpha-1 preparation [15:06] - Tracked down a python3-dbus bug making the installer crash when connecting to wifi, worked around for alpha-1, fix is now upstream [15:06] - Containers [15:06] - Added LXC backend to auto-upgrade-testing [15:06] - Implemented early version of the python module, currently wrapping the C commands, will be ported to liblxc soon [15:07] - Started testing LXC's SRU, found a bug, fixed in quantal and SRUed the fix [15:07] - ISO tracker [15:07] - New roles for product management and testcase management [15:07] - Add a new buginstruction text field to products [15:07] - Improve ACL checking [15:07] - Some more work on testsuites management, moving columns between tables, updating UI [15:07] - Other [15:07] - Booked flights to Plumbers [15:07] - TODO this week [15:07] - More alpha-1 fun [15:07] - Continue with ISO tracker changes based on the list from QA and work items [15:07] - Continue going through the pending-sru and help for these that are stuck on verification-needed [15:07] - Look at the isc-dhcp SRU for Oneiric (asked for some information in the bug) [15:07] (DONE) [15:07] ev: ready yet? [15:08] yes [15:08] - Very short week. Packing Millbank desk for Blue Fin move on Thursday, party [15:08] on Sunday, public holiday Monday and Tuesday. [15:08] - Mail to Andy, Martin, and James Westby on a plan for how we can get the [15:08] kernel crash collecting work finished and reporting to errors.ubuntu.com. [15:08] - Wrote debugging guide for whoopsie-daisy: [15:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/Debugging [15:08] - Uploaded a new Wubi for 12.10. [15:08] - Worked in some performance improvements to errors.ubuntu.com requested by [15:08] webops. We've been seeing some timeouts getting hit by some of the [15:08] components talking to Cassandra. As we don't have statsd and Graphite up yet [15:08] (RT awaiting action from webops), I can only pick at low hanging fruit. This [15:08] change moves from getting a column count from several wide rows (which reads [15:08] the entire row into memory) for the "average crashes per user" graph to [15:08] using counters. [15:08] - Added txstatsd and Graphite code to lp:errors and lp:daisy. Added JMX to [15:08] Graphite via JMXTrans. The latter gives us Cassandra operational stats in [15:08] Graphite. None of this is deployed yet as we need a new Graphite server [15:08] (RT #53325). [15:08] - Some clean up of the tastypie branch of lp:errors on advice from James [15:08] Westby. Now implements the list protocol to provide lazy evalution of the [15:08] query, emulating behavior found in evil ORMs. [15:08] - More discussion with Martin around uniting the Launchpad and crashdb [15:08] retracers. [15:08] (done) [15:08] good thing it's a short week ;) [15:08] heh [15:10] - Read on Wandsworth Common [15:10] - Played catch with the dog [15:10] - Watched pretty much the entire running of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia on Netflix [15:10] (done) [15:10] legally ? [15:10] ogra_: it is not yet illegal to play catch on the common [15:10] How do you illegally play catch with a dog? [15:10] ha [15:11] * lining up the python3 sprint [15:11] * DebConf planning [15:11] * discovered a lingering startup issue with rpcbind/statd/nis; fix in progress (bug #1007293) [15:11] Launchpad bug 1007293 in rpcbind (Ubuntu Precise) "nis doesn't work anymore after upgrade to 12.04" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007293 [15:11] * SRU processing, and some verification (update-notifier, rpcbind) [15:11] (done) [15:11] who win, the dog ? [15:11] * helping here and there with A1 release this week [15:11] njin: always [15:12] Hurra for the dog [15:12] xnox: [15:12] * autofs merge is in progress, some patches accepted into debian [15:12] * applied for core-dev, due on 18th of June [15:12] * working on foundations-q-ubiquity-lvm-luks, attempting to pre-seed now [15:12] * mpt is working on the luks design (no mockups yet) [15:12] * got quad hdd usb3.0 dock, helping kernel team to bisect when we lost [15:12] 3.0 support in kernel cause I have the [15:12] hardware. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/966248 [15:12] * short week due to queen's diamond jubilee [15:12] * this week: ubiquity, ubiquity, ubiquity... [15:12] * during other days did boost1.49, offlineimap, usb-creator for [15:12] debian work, visited canonical offices. [15:12] Launchpad bug 966248 in linux (Ubuntu) "USB3.0 Ports Not Working" [Medium,Confirmed] [15:13] xnox: do you know an eta from mpt for the mockups? [15:13] slangasek: no. [15:13] ok [15:13] Three-day week due to public holidays. (Hid up north and pretended not to be British.) [15:14] Wrote an API client for removing packages and killed off the old shell-access-only script. [15:14] Landed PaS parsing fix for any-arm. [15:14] Fixed ubiquity bug 1003443 which was breaking automatic tests. [15:14] Launchpad bug 1003443 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubuntu Quantal Desktop 20120523 failed to install: ubi-timezone failed with exit code 2" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003443 [15:14] Added syslinux-themes-ubuntu-quantal package to fix Chinese edition image builds. [15:14] Attempted to fix up update-manager following work on relative imports; unfortunately I ran out of time and Michael had to clean up after me. [15:14] *Just* managed to get https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/queue-api/+merge/108967 in for review, which should be enough to allow moving queue to an API client. [15:14] .. [15:14] investigation into the fix for bug 346386 not working in Precise [15:14] queried for foundations bugs with the most duplicates that are actively receiving dupes [15:14] Launchpad bug 346386 in apt (Ubuntu Natty) "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346386 [15:14] review of foundations team bugs with the most duplicates [15:14] wrote json reader / alerter for spikes in bug volume e.g. recent-package-bugs [15:15] modified bug bot not to modify precise bugs saying they need a new update-initramfs [15:15] modified search-bugs in ubuntu-bugpatterns to copy tags from duplicate to the master bug [15:15] wrote lp-bug-dupe-props in lptools to prevent working on bugs with duplicates with the same reporter [15:15] modified lp-bug-dupe-props to check description for apport key / value pairs [15:15] reported bug 1007637 regarding preventing reporting multiple package install failures [15:15] Launchpad bug 1007637 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu general hook should check to see if package install failure has already happened" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007637 [15:15] apport modification to ensure that package_hook tags update-manager dist-upgrade bugs dist-upgrade [15:15] investigation into apport-package failures not being sent to the error tracker [15:15] launchpad dev environment setup [15:15] ␗ done [15:16] * Last week: [15:16] - Did some SRU stuff and other random AA faff while in HK [15:16] - Worked on non-public *mumble*mumble* stuff with jk [15:16] - Reviewed and sponsored some simple uploads for xnox [15:16] * Linaro Connect last week: [15:16] - Good discussions around v8 progress in ARM and with upstreams [15:16] - ARM will be backporting their GCC patches to 4.7 for us [15:16] - Binutils should be out "soon", but still ARM-internal for now [15:16] - Need to chase up Linaro to get qemu-user-aarch64 working [15:16] - Lots of other good discussions around big.LITTLE, v7 server [15:16] concerns, single zImage (almost there!), and other fun bits [15:16] * PlusOneMaint, starting this week [15:16] - Cleaned up quantal_probs on Monday, leading to my first +1 beer [15:16] - Training up Andy for PlusOneMinion tasks, currently teaching him [15:16] the joys and pain of hunting build failures [15:16] - Setting up my new laptop, as the old one's display unceremoniously [15:16] died the day after I got home from Hong Kong [15:16] (done) [15:17] py3 porting: lazr.authorization, wsgi_intercept, oauth, httplib2 (issue 210), lazr.restfulclient. this did not go well (details available on request), so i explored alternatives w/pitti who made me very happy. apport's dependency on launchpadlib is server side only, so he's going to juggle the packages/deps to remove the ubuntu-desktop task dep. \o/ [15:17] python issue 14673 and pep 421 implementation (review, sponsor). [15:17] provided some consulting for bug 1008898 (upstream dbus-python py3 bug). [15:17] Launchpad bug 1008898 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "crash after inserting wireless password" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008898 [15:17] worked a bit on my dd application + debian uploads [15:17] todo: re-chase some dependencies and update the spreadsheet. prep for next week's sprint [15:17] done. [15:18] translating debugging central for italian reporters, hardware testing A1 - in progress [15:18] done [15:19] no jodh today ? [15:19] Not in the channel, at any rate. [15:19] yep [15:20] right [15:20] [TOPIC] Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [15:21] bdmurray: anything new? :) [15:21] I mentioned bug 346386 being unfixed in precise [15:21] Launchpad bug 346386 in apt (Ubuntu Natty) "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346386 [15:21] yep [15:21] from natty ? [15:21] wow [15:22] did you find the reason for its unfixedness? [15:22] I found the relevant bit I think [15:22] in acquire-item.cc there is now a if (Verify == true) check [15:22] which didn't exist in oneiric [15:23] should the bug be reopened? [15:23] yes probably [15:24] ok [15:24] next steps? will you follow up with the apt maintainers (David/mvo)? [15:24] yes, I've talked to mvo about it briefly [15:25] ok cool [15:25] anything else on the "actively receiving dupes" list that we should be aware of? [15:26] as I was looking at bugs w/ the most duplicates I ran across bug 529714 [15:26] Launchpad bug 529714 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in _nss_wins_gethostbyname_r()" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529714 [15:26] hmm, are there new dupes coming in? [15:26] which times out [15:27] no, but it clutters the most duplicates list [15:27] right [15:27] and I thought breaking out the 'suggesting use of RTLD_DEEPBIND when [15:27] opening nss modules from eglibc' task might be a good idea [15:27] sounds good to me [15:27] okay [15:28] then infinity and I were looking at bug 1001904 yesterday evening [15:28] Launchpad bug 1001904 in sysvinit (Ubuntu) "package sysvutils (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/mesg.1.gz', which is also in package sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-13.10ubuntu11" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001904 [15:28] the users had added hardy to their sources [15:28] and people are doing this because there's a java package still in the hardy archive? [15:29] we removed it from partner for all releases... I guess we overlooked hardy because it was in the main archive, not in partner? [15:30] cjwatson: ^^ do we want to remove sun-java from the hardy release pocket? [15:32] We've never regenerated a release pocket Packages so far [15:32] In the past I've said we'd only do it given a CnD [15:32] * slangasek nods [15:32] any other action to take here, then? I'm not sure it makes sense to worry about the missing replaces per se [15:32] So, well, it's possible, but it would have to be a tremendously compelling reason [15:32] do we have permission to continue to distribute sun-java though? I thought there was termination. [15:32] xnox: Only for later versions [15:33] ok [15:33] We could fix the replaces, but really, pulling in Essential packages from a 4 year old release is sort of a "you get to keep both pieces" scenario. [15:33] agreed [15:33] If we fix the replaces, would it completely disappear the old package? [15:33] Cause that's vaguely elegant, at least. [15:33] Or... Maybe that would be hilariously bad. [15:34] well is there something better we can do to detect people in this scenario? [15:34] It's pretty clearly unsupported-but-allowed use of the tools. I dunno how much hand-holding we can do. [15:36] infinity: right - so what about detecting that this is what a user has done, so we can disregard the bug reports (or block them beforehand)? [15:36] I'm not interested in us spending effort making this work for users [15:36] Disregarding is a bit harsh without feedback telling them why. [15:37] there are many bug reports that go disregarded [15:37] And the effort spent on making fancy hooks for that sounds like more than just doing the replaces and papering over it. [15:38] so we think this is a one-off circumstance, and we won't see other bug reports? [15:38] There are two dupes. [15:39] Not sure how many others haven't been found. [15:39] I'll try and search for more 3 isn't really a large quantity [15:39] by "other" I mean "other kinds of bugs caused by trying to travel back in time 4 years" [15:39] Oh. [15:39] if it's going to be a general class of issue, better to suppress bug reporting [15:39] Nothing that I've seen. But bdmurray's the one who knows all. :P [15:40] I can imagine some, but auto-installation of Essential seems like the hardest to avoid. [15:40] if we really think this is the only bug of its kind, then that's easily done [15:41] * slangasek assigns the bug to infinity [15:42] Just what I always wanted. [15:42] bdmurray: others? [15:43] * ogra_ has an errors.u.c question ... does that fit in this topic ? [15:43] slangasek: nope [15:43] bdmurray: ok, thanks [15:43] ogra_: let's say yes [15:43] k [15:43] so if distros like mint supress updates and security fixes ... bugs will re-occur over and over on the list ... [15:44] can erros be taught to hide bugs once a newer version was uploaded ? [15:44] *errors [15:44] thats an ev question i guess ... [15:45] that came up recently in a discussion i had and i promised to ask here :( [15:45] err [15:45] :) [15:45] well, errors is meant to know if a crash occurs with the current package or only with the older ones... at one point the headline graph showed "# of crashes" vs. "# of crashes we'd have if people were up to date"? [15:45] and the current display shows the first and last known package versions for a crash [15:46] I think hiding the bugs entirely might be too much at this point, though, since there might be other reasons people aren't getting the update that are in our control? [15:46] We also want to know about unexpected regressions [15:46] which wouldn happen with a newer version [15:46] *would [15:47] And about whether lots of our users are seeing bugs because for some reason they aren't up to date; I think to some extent this is a different-audiences question [15:47] * slangasek nods [15:47] k [15:47] Many developers would only care about newest-version, but (say) release management might care about everything; I think I'd like to see it be controllable ... [15:47] ev: ^^ so what's the right answer for ogra_'s concern? do we track these by sending you mail? :) [15:48] I seem to recall a filter by release / distro feature coming to errors which may help [15:48] haha, sorry, i only channeled the question, i didnt mean to do anything evil to ev [15:48] well, I think it's a legitimate request for errors.u.c functionality [15:49] I think ev died. [15:49] indeed, but i dont want him to drown in mail caused by mint users :) [15:49] oh, I wasn't suggesting having mint users email ev, I was suggesting *you* mail him ;P [15:49] oh, ok [15:49] anyway, ev seems idle, so best to take this offline from here [15:49] yeah, i can do that [15:50] right [15:50] you can also report bugs a launchpad.net/errors [15:50] heh, namespace [15:50] [TOPIC] Python3 vsprint === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Python3 vsprint [15:50] hopefully everyone got the mail about the porting sprint next week [15:50] any questions about the plan there? [15:51] everyone know whether they're in an American or European timezone? [15:51] Do I have to abandon my +1 minions to come be sprinty? [15:51] (And I have no idea what timezone I'm in...) [15:51] (ever) [15:51]