| ojwb | seems xnet don't charge for moving anyway (i think the thing I saw about a charge on their website is only if you're connected via fibre) | 03:16 |
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| fmarier | so Precise comes with a local dns resolver by default? | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | yes, dnsmasq | 04:04 |
| fmarier | ajmitch: that's not installed on my box... | 04:05 |
| fmarier | at least according to: dpkg -l dnsmasq | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | package is dnsmasq-base | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | afaict networkmanager starts it up & passes the resolvers that dhclient gets through to dnsmasq | 04:06 |
| fmarier | ah i see, it's just a dns proxy | 04:06 |
| chilts | hmm, I need to do precise at some stage | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | yeah I'm not sure of the details of what it can do :) | 04:08 |
| ojwb | there seems to be a new thing to manage resolv.conf (called resolvconf) too | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | it's not that new, is it? | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | debian/changelog says it first made it into experimental in 2003 | 04:09 |
| ojwb | dunno, seems to have only started appeared in my ubuntu-based appliances since I upgrade to precise | 04:10 |
| ojwb | or maybe it worked differently before | 04:10 |
| ojwb | it was moaning that /etc/resolv.conf isn't a symlink | 04:10 |
| ojwb | so I just added it to the list of packages to uninstall | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | yeah, that part's new | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | not sure when it started being used by default in ubuntu | 04:11 |
| ojwb | generally it seems a good idea to have things to manage this, rather than N different things all fighting to update it | 04:12 |
| ojwb | the appliance situation is a bit special really | 04:12 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 19:35 |
| ajmitch | morning | 19:41 |
| chilts | morning | 20:23 |
| thumper | morning | 22:22 |
| fmarier | ibeardslee: zareason coreboot-based laptop, fuck yeah! | 22:33 |
| ibeardslee | yeap | 22:38 |
| thumper | wat? | 22:38 |
| thumper | what is coreboot? | 22:38 |
| ibeardslee | their bios is already 'open' | 22:38 |
| ibeardslee | and customised | 22:38 |
| ibeardslee | https://twitter.com/ZaReasonNZ/status/210488042597777408 | 22:39 |
| ibeardslee | http://www.coreboot.org | 22:39 |
| * ibeardslee goes looking for the bios zareason use | 22:40 | |
| ajmitch | would be nicer than having to turn off secure boot :) | 22:40 |
| ojwb | morning | 22:40 |
| fmarier | thumper: coreboot is a free software bios. it used to be called linuxbios | 22:41 |
| ibeardslee | actually if coreboot was trusted, would that solve the problem? | 22:41 |
| mwhudson | yeah, i guess zareason aren't too worried about getting the 'made for windows 8' sticker | 22:41 |
| fmarier | apparently boots to a linux console in like 3 seconds or something | 22:41 |
| mwhudson | ibeardslee: coreboot wouldn' | 22:42 |
| mwhudson | ibeardslee: coreboot wouldn't be trusted unless it only booted to kernels that were signed | 22:42 |
| ibeardslee | true | 22:42 |
| ajmitch | fmarier: booting to a desktop in < 10 seconds (with autologin) should be possible | 22:43 |
| mwhudson | the fundamental problem with all this is that if joe random free software dev can make a kernel you can boot, so can joe random haxxxxor | 22:43 |
| fmarier | ajmitch: except that legacy bioses usually waste up to 10 seconds setting up the hardware for DOS | 22:44 |
| mwhudson | ajmitch: about 50% of my boot time is bios currently i think | 22:44 |
| ojwb | the "trusted" part seems to really mean "trusted to maintain microsoft profit levels" | 22:44 |
| ibeardslee | http://www.insydesw.com/products The InsydeH2O is what the Alto I had a look at was running | 22:44 |
| ajmitch | fmarier: right, so you'd probably be able to get under 10 seconds with that coreboot bios, is what I meant | 22:45 |
| fmarier | ajmitch: oh, sorry i misunderstood what you said. having a cold boot take as long as resume-from-suspend-to-ram would be pretty neat :) | 22:48 |
| fmarier | ojwb: i believe that the "trusted" in "trusted computing" has always meant "trusting microsoft to act in your best interest" | 22:49 |
| ajmitch | I know that ubuntu booted from grub to login in ~10 seconds on some hardware for some releases, I think it could be possible to be faster now | 22:49 |
| mwhudson | esss esss deee | 22:49 |
| ajmitch | yup | 22:50 |
| mwhudson | actually, i need to reboot after an update so i'll time grub -> login | 22:50 |
| mwhudson | brb :) | 22:50 |
| ajmitch | booting is certainly not < 10 seconds for me, I've got far too much running at startup, like postgresql :) | 22:52 |
| mwhudson | about 12s | 22:52 |
| ibeardslee | I pushed Oneiric 64bit to my netbook (and then upgraded to precise) tempted to drop back to 32bit .. does seem slower | 22:53 |
| ajmitch | speed of 64-bit vs 32-bit depends on quite a few things | 22:56 |
| ajmitch | there's talk of a 32-bit userspace ABI that can use the extra registers, it might make apps use a bit less RAM | 22:57 |
| ojwb | i'd like someone to obsess about restoring from hibernation as much as they seem to about a clean boot | 23:00 |
| ajmitch | for some reason hibernate seems to be even more problematic than suspend these days | 23:01 |
| ojwb | there are "fast suspend" kernel patches around at least | 23:01 |
| ojwb | fast hibernate I mean | 23:01 |
| ojwb | e.g. http://tuxonice.net/ | 23:02 |
| ojwb | handily comes with patch versions for jaunty, karmic, lucid, and maverick | 23:03 |
| ojwb | 3 of which are now EOL IIRC | 23:03 |
| ajmitch | apparantly there's a PPA for more recent versions | 23:04 |
| ojwb | yes, I was just looking | 23:06 |
| ojwb | the kernels all say there's a newer version, but I was failing to find the actual versions to compare with | 23:06 |
| ojwb | not a great sign though | 23:06 |
| ojwb | AIUI, the standard hibernate essentially just swaps out everything, and on restore stuff just gets paged in on demand | 23:08 |
| ojwb | so the order of loading is largely random | 23:08 |
| hads | morning | 23:08 |
| ojwb | probably works much better for an SSD | 23:08 |
| * ajmitch stabs LP timeouts | 23:10 | |
| ibeardslee | most things work better with an SSD don't they? .. .. well apart from my wallet | 23:10 |
| ajmitch | ojwb: the kernel is only out-of-date with respect to precise-proposed | 23:10 |
| ojwb | ah | 23:11 |
| ojwb | that's rather misleading on launchpad's side then | 23:11 |
| ojwb | ibeardslee: having lots of data doesn't | 23:11 |
| ojwb | which rather ruins them for me | 23:11 |
| ajmitch | the Newer Version link says the newer kernel is in -proposed | 23:11 |
| ojwb | oh, i missed that link | 23:12 |
| ajmitch | or I'm just too used to how LP lays things out :) | 23:12 |
| ojwb | d'oh | 23:12 |
| ojwb | no, it's very obvious | 23:12 |
| ojwb | looking at the upload dates, it is actually fairly actively maintained for supported ubuntu releases | 23:14 |
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