[00:41] hmmmmmmmmm [01:24] argh [07:08] Morning [07:09] Morning daubers [07:16] [Jono Bacon] Ask Me Anything - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/06/ask-me-anything/ [07:21] INteresting, Google has bought Quickoffice, I wondr whether they'll integrate/merge google docs & quickoffice to give a good offline version of google docs or keep them as seperate entities [07:26] DJones: I suspect the former [07:29] Same here, must admit I was looking for a office suite that was compatible with open formats for my tablet, the default polaris office wasn't compatible and the android port of libreoffice doesn't look to be available yet (I'm sure I read that was in the pipeline) [07:30] quickoffice doesn't seem compatible either, but it wouldn't surprise me if it got modified to make it more compatible [07:55] good morning all [08:00] aloha [08:01] morning all [08:29] any giffgaff users here? i'm confused... not sure if i have to buy a goodybag before i send my pac code? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk_away_afk === schwuk_away_afk is now known as schwuk [08:37] to answer my own question, yes i need to buy a goody bag first [08:38] and diplo should be getting referral points ;) [08:42] good morning everyone. [08:52] oimon: so, yeah you found out already but yes. I did this at the weekend too [08:54] Good morning peeps :) [08:55] TREllis, i've left it a bit late to transfer (tmobile require me to use my pac by 7th june), hopefully will be ok [08:56] did you keep your old sim connected, or your new one while waiting for the number to tranfer [08:57] oimon: old one still connected and I've got plenty of time before my PAC expires, but if you schedule today I think it'll be done by tomorrow [08:57] TREllis: so what are you up to these days? [09:02] AlanBell: just started at Eucalyptus Systems as a consultant [09:02] the virtualisation thing? [09:03] yup [09:03] very nice [09:03] AlanBell: how about you? [09:03] all moved in to our new offices in Farnham [09:03] ooh [09:04] Trouble is TREllis I have to look at his ugly mug all day now :-( [09:04] lol [09:05] at least you don't have to talk to each other in person, you are both on the same irc channel, it's like a surreylug meet [09:07] What is this talking of which you write? [09:08] ;-) === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [09:28] Morning all [09:31] Morning [09:35] TREllis: eucalyptis? neat! [09:40] * popey wonders if TheOpenSourcerer and AlanBell have a spare desk in their office for another Alan ☺ [09:40] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if popey is feeling lonely ;-) [09:40] we actually have another Alan popping in this afternoon [09:40] giffgaff website :"To be eligible for Payback you must have an active giffgaff SIM, have used your phone within 3 months before 31 MAY 2012, have a positive Payback points balance, not be in breach of any of our standard Terms and Conditions." [09:40] does that means payback is stopping? [09:41] kids are on half term and I'm back to work tomorrow [09:41] doesn't the alans working in the same place open some sort of gate? a gate to a place that should not be mentioned, a gate you can not easily close [09:41] am looking for somewhere outside home to go === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:41] gord: Duct tape, it'll fix anything [09:44] hello everyone [09:44] That's my boy. Ignore him. [09:45] overheard in office to an ex-microsoft employee, "how can i switch this windows 8 thing off"? [09:45] anyone in the Leicester area, want to see RMS http://www.fsf.org/events/20120623-leicester [09:45] wasn't talking about disabling metro, but turning off the PC [09:45] TheOpenSourcerer: hello there [09:46] popey: if you are looking to avoid kids then our office right now isn't the place :) [09:46] ah [09:49] invasion is over :) [09:51] just watched HIGNFY, with alastair campbell presenting. very funny. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:02] 2 hours at my desk... [10:03] Is it Friday evening yet? [10:05] morning all [10:05] czajkowski: Prodity prodity prodity prod, that's that back on track [10:07] herro [10:07] czajkowski: nice weekend? [10:07] lovely [10:09] czajkowski: ours wasn't quite so nice the 24hours of constant rainfall made the camping a little chilly :D [10:09] i wish it was queenie weekend every weekend [10:09] gord: Make it so [10:09] gord: heh, me too [10:10] Just for the long weekends ? [10:10] what possible other reason would there be? [10:11] * davmor2 made the mistake of firing up thunderbird so on second thoughts I'm glad it isn't Queenies day every weekend [10:11] Well we seem to have people who enjoy it all [10:11] I'm not a bah humbug, but the coverage was just toooooo much [10:16] I didn't watch any telly :) [10:16] Only a couple of recorded programmes while we were away [10:16] I got my over-dose of Queenie via twitter [10:17] figured that the royal family costs me 51p in tax each year..50 years of paying tax = £25. the extra bank holiday more than paid for a lifetime of royalty [10:19] * mattt ^5s oimon [10:19] and it keeps the housewives happy, and we all want that dont we? [10:20] Good morning, and happy World IPv6 Day, everyone! :D [10:20] today? [10:20] Isnt't that tomorrow? [10:21] No...it's today...6th of June [10:22] DDay +68 as well [10:22] most of my day has been waiting for ibm blades to reboot [10:23] processors get faster, POST takes longer than ever [10:26] heh oimon was my PITA as well [10:26] is anyone in the south east area looking for people to occupy a help desk? [10:26] Especially when you are remotely rebooting them [10:26] Monster: eh ? [10:27] tech support? [10:27] level 1 [10:27] perhaps [10:27] diplo , i have a problem that manifests after a reboot, so i had to keep doing it [10:27] Monster: ah ok better to explain it that way if you want people to look at you :) [10:28] right [10:30] Monster: so you are after a helpdesk job for yourself? [10:30] yes [10:31] I'd love to have one [10:31] ok, thats fine, good luck with your hunt :) [10:31] I was just checking you were not an agency or something [10:31] oh I see [10:32] I've looking at reeds recently Monster and lot's of jobs on there. [10:32] looking now [10:33] Sorry screen lagged out, so didn't check before hitting enter [10:33] I've been* [10:38] dear me, some companies want a Computer Science degree for tech support jobs [10:38] how depressing [10:39] for the CS graduates, indeed [10:41] Monster: They want, I'd still apply if *you* think you can do the job [10:41] I used to employ/interview people for IT jobs and the CV was part of the first part the person was the second.. qualifications are nice but having experience is a lot more important to me [10:42] I've got 0 qualifications but have been an IT Manager [10:43] haha [10:43] * mattt prefered "ubuntu for your mom" [10:44] Well, sadly I am trying to enter [10:44] so I have 0 experience too [10:44] No personal experience ? [10:44] Well customer service environment of course [10:44] http://blog.dixo.net/2012/06/02/papercraft-bbc-micro-case-for-the-raspberry-pi/ [10:45] and personal yes [10:45] where are you based diplo? [10:45] I employed a ayoung lad who used to play with networks at home and ran other stuff and worked out he was a good employee [10:45] Near Bristol [10:47] Monster: you could try doing a few jobs on something like freelancer.com -- that'd be stuff you could put on your CV ? [10:48] oh cool [10:48] I have some programming skills [10:51] Monster: if you do, then get involved in some open source projects ... code contributions would speak volumes when applying for a job [10:53] The world has enough blog cms, but you'll learn a lot if you try writing your own from scratch [10:55] right right [10:55] I'm in the process of making a blog using django [11:00] we have 3 Alans in the office :) [11:01] Misread as Aliens [11:01] same difference [11:01] heh [11:01] :O [11:02] The truth is out! [11:03] * bigcalm seeks lunch [11:08] hey bigcalm [11:08] bigcalm: you forgot the "there" I think you'll find that will complete the quote [11:09] Face huggers? Chestbursters? [11:13] Which one is ET? [11:15] eggs on toast smothered with lea and perrins! [11:16] DJones: "Popey Phone Home"? [11:34] Everytime I read Popey's name, I keep thinking of that damn "you're so money supermarket" advert. Cursed. [11:36] does etherpad lite allow authenticated/private notes? [11:39] DJones: and JGJones nicks are rather confusin [11:40] czajkowski: It confuses me as well, its more confusing when I use my alternate nick of DGJones [11:41] all we need is another 4 jones and we have most of the welsh team :) [11:42] I'm the original Jones! ;) [11:43] JGJones: If you're the original, that would make you very old [11:43] yes. so get orf moi lawn. [11:43] * DJones gets out the deckchair [11:44] Ooh, I can see steam coming out of your ears [11:44] parcel just arrived...and...it's a Raspberry Pi! Finally! [11:44] that would explain the steam. [11:45] ello rfolks [11:45] folks even [11:45] I'm getting very confused with postfix virtual domains... [11:45] oimon: yes, it does [11:45] through the API [11:46] I have a virtual_alias_domains file containing 2 different domain names... but then in main.cf, I am unsure what I should be putting in mydestination, as if I repeat myself it warns me I shouldn't put mydomain in 2 places [11:49] j0nr: sec, i have a postfix setup somewhere here, let me look [11:50] j0nr: i don't list my virtual domains in mydestination [11:51] j0nr: i think i left mydestination untouched, "mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost" [11:56] mattt: ah I got it working now...many ways to skin a cat [11:56] thanks [11:58] j0nr: good stuff [12:04] AlanBell, ah , so it has most functionality of etherpad fat now then? [12:04] howdy [12:04] everybody well? [12:05] oimon: yeah, but I think for the secure stuff you are supposed to embed it in something else [12:05] oh :-\ [13:21] damn its quiet [13:29] ok guys, something that has been bugging me for ages [13:31] when I change the mouse to dmz-black in gnome-tweak-tools, why is it that on the desktop and in some apps it's white, but firefox and thunderbird get it right? [13:35] SuperMatt, after a reboot? [13:35] I'm reading somewhere that it's a compiz issue [13:36] http://www.ubunturoot.com/2010/05/how-to-change-mouse-cursor-in-ubuntu.html [13:37] SuperMatt, do you still hang out on omgubuntu irc? [13:37] (is it still going?) [13:37] yeah I do, and yeah it is [13:39] hmm why hasn't the market decided that a dual-sim mobile would be a good thing? [13:40] i also notice that when i change sim i have to reauth with google [13:42] yeah, pretty nice feature, if you ask me [13:43] argh i just realised that hullomail hasn't been notifying me of voicemails [13:43] i have 6 months worth [13:43] unheard [13:44] oimon: Instant podcast! [13:45] push notification was selected too :( [13:47] so [13:47] time to trial ubuntu for desktops at work :D [13:51] arsen, been using it as sole OS at work for a few years now [13:51] damn [13:51] anyone know where i can assign a key to use the dash ? [13:51] when i press alt i get the hud [13:52] but when i press command (i'm on a mac) i dont get the dash [13:52] very annoying [13:53] a lot of my users were on kde3.x and i didn't hear a single complaint or issue when i rolled out centos 6 with KDE4.x [13:53] Hey everyone please goto https://apps.ubuntu.com and like the humble bundle apps on FB Canonical will donate £100 per application if we hit lots of like (can't remember the exact amount) go help the charities for free, well bah a few seconds of your time [13:53] feel free to pass it on too please [13:54] won't fb do that for me :P [13:56] oimon: in other channels I meant [14:02] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/646-million-linkedin-passwords-leaked-online/79290 [14:03] Cheers oimon, changing mine :) [14:03] haven't seen the list of passwords, would like to see if mine is there [14:04] Ah, it's one of my more obscure passwords but I'll change anyhoo :) [14:05] just logged in but no message popped up to suggest i change it [14:05] i did see "Your email is safe with us! [14:05] We will not store your password or email anyone without your permission." [14:05] yeah someone mentioned that on the link you posted [14:05] LinkedIn are currently looking into it according to twitter [14:06] why is chromium so lame aat remembering passwords? [14:08] bookmarks and passwords seem half baked in chrom* [14:12] hmm...experiencing a weird bug again where windows jump around on screen [14:13] they jump to the bottom of screen 1 [14:13] I am trying Gnome Fallback, all my issues have since disappeared [14:13] lock ups etc [14:13] So defo unity/cinnamon issues [14:17] i'm on faillback right now [14:18] Not had a crash/lockup in 3 days now [14:18] using a dock? [14:18] Record, also chucked docky/gnome do on as well [14:18] hmm [14:18] But might remove docky [14:18] i have gnome do/docky/gnome failback [14:18] As gnome do is all i really need [14:18] and pidgin, thunderbird windows unmaximised will shift so that bottom of window is touching base of screen [14:19] diplo, how do you see what apps are open? [14:19] without docky? [14:21] atm have them all open overlayed [14:21] 2 x 1920 screens helps [14:21] But docky is still there atm [14:21] i have this problem without docky http://ubuntuone.com/2d1dcLSwRbzxgZECzIt8Qe [14:22] Ooh, you changed your configuration at all [14:22] ? [14:23] huh? [14:23] As in your panel at the top or anything like that [14:23] yes, everything's on top panel [14:23] have no time for bottom panel [14:24] one day Ubuntu One will stop syncing [14:24] i only have about 40 windows open and the window list becomes a fail, hence dock [14:24] AlanBell, what's that? end of world is nigh? [14:25] it has been syncing for over a week [14:25] again [14:25] got a lot to sync? [14:25] Me either, I seem to be keeping on top of what I have open [14:25] Also use terminator a lot [14:25] gord: I have no idea, it doesn't tell you [14:25] had that with dropbox too [14:25] AlanBell: You can from the cli can't you ? [14:25] it does if you use magicicida [14:25] magicicada [14:26] whatever that is, it needs a new name [14:26] at any rate if its taking that long, something has probably gone wrong [14:26] stuff is happening in magicicada [14:28] AlanBell: u1sdtool --current-transfers ? [14:28] doesn't tell me what it has left to do, just a tree of files [14:28] and it keeps scrolling back to the top [14:29] Or tail -f syncdaemon.log [14:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026935/ [14:30] * TheOpenSourcerer did apt-get purge ubuntuone* recently. Got bored of waiting [14:30] :P [14:30] break anything [14:30] ? [14:30] nope [14:30] not apparently anyway [14:30] it is doing stuff, just incomprehensible numbers in that logfile [14:30] dropbox ftw [14:31] Since I got the Galaxy S3 I also got +50GB in my Dropbox account. [14:31] dropbox took over a week to sync a few hundred mb recently for me [14:32] ownCloud ? [14:32] looks like it is this mesa tree it is hung up on, which is 4672 files totalling 188MB [14:32] nice TheOpenSourcerer [14:32] sparkleshare and owncloud look cool [14:32] and I grabbed that tree on the 2nd of June [14:33] Can't handle large amount of files maybe AlanBell , or finding hard to process them [14:33] oimon - yeah i have in the past, ive just got an interesting type of environment to migrate to ubuntu [14:33] currently suffering at the hands of SuSE ED / ES / OpenSuSE, which is awful. [14:34] this isn't a really really large amount of files, and a few hundred meg shouldn't take 4 days to upload [14:36] when is 14.01 lts? [14:37] arsen: there won't be one, 14.04 LTS will be released in April 2014 (which is what the 04 in 14.04 means) [14:37] AlanBell, ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log has log files if you want to see if its confused [14:38] arsen: It'll be 14.04 in April 2014 :) (every 2 years LTS, naming is YY.MM of release) [14:38] aha, thanks AlanBell [14:38] so 12.04 is a safe bet for now then :) [14:38] i really need to install it [14:38] i imagine unity/gnome3 will make me cry again though. [14:40] arsen, it isnt compulsory :) [14:40] just setup a lxde ubuntu system for my nephew, very fast [14:41] and some of us still use the old gnome failback session [14:41] for me, it's because of show stopper bugs [14:44] yeah id force fallback tbh [14:46] i have an issue where i can't see the pidgin contacts window atm :-\ [14:46] even after killing pidgin [14:49] which is the best HIB 5 game? [14:49] limbo looks really nice [14:49] not sure which will work on my lappy tho [14:50] hmm swords and sorcery looks cool too [15:01] oimon, Limbo is pretty good...from look of it, it doesn't appear to require anything powerful [15:01] I play with it on my 5 years old laptop [15:06] yay [15:07] sometimes they add more bits after one week..i wonder what they will add [15:11] amnesia, you should play that, in the dark. at midnight [15:13] how do i force gnome fallback in 12.04 lts? === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [15:21] arsen: Might you be looking for Unity 2D? [15:21] arsen, apt-get install gnome-session-fallback [15:21] thanks oimon - just discovered it:P [15:23] beward you need to do ctrl-super-right click to delete or change a panel [15:23] that was a killer for me ..not the sort of thing you would guess [15:29] hmm did giffgaff just change their £5 per month unlimited data goodybag? seems to be 500mb instead [15:40] oimon: you mean the gigabags for mobile data outside of the goodybags? [15:40] hmm [15:47] TREllis, i can't find a link to those? [15:47] i can only find the 500mb internet...i thought it was unlmited [15:48] Unlimited on £10 [15:48] Don't it is on £5 one [15:48] * diplo may be wrong [15:48] http://giffgaff.com/goodybags/500mb-mobile-broadband [15:48] That's all I can see [15:48] oh [15:49] how much is the unlimited [15:49] ? [15:49] might be enough for me if i get sip account somwhere [15:49] £10/mo ? [15:49] yeah [15:49] that includes calls etc [15:49] 300mins/unlimited texts/unlimited data [15:49] I think [15:49] could be interesting with a 3g tablet [15:49] I'm on it, not had any issues with data yet [15:50] But tbh I auto switch to wireless so I think my max data has been about 700mb [15:50] normally 3-500mb [15:50] f you've used up your 500 MB before your gigabag expires, we will notify you and give you a 50 MB buffer for free. Once you run out of your buffer allowance, you will be charged at 2p/MB for the life of your gigabag [15:51] = £2 per 100mb [15:51] so if you don't use voice/txt it's still cheaper even on a bad month [15:52] I send 100 texts a month maybe 200 and use 25/50 mins of voice [15:52] But for a tenner I'd rather have it so I can use if I need to [15:53] yeah but the whole point is you can't tether to a laptop or tablet with the goodybags that offer unlimited data, you have to use the gigabags for that. [15:53] so that's the restriction [15:53] I don't but I have once or twice to grab something quickly, but I don't want to abuse it [15:54] I think it's fair as a restriction if they are open about it [15:54] indeed [15:54] Not sure how they check up on it though [16:09] i just received a google wave update where the links are from volna.mailerlite.ru :-\ [16:10] from rizzoma ..who are they [16:13] How do people find the speed of giffgaff? I'm thinking about changing to them when my contract is up, but this article made me wonder about changing http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/21/review_uk_carriers_network_vs_network/page2.html [16:27] DJones, == o2 speed. [16:33] Anybody played with the sgs3 yet? [16:33] bigcalm: sgs3? [16:34] Samsung Galaxy S 3 [16:34] DJones: if you're concerned with bandwidth, Three do an unlimited tarif that actually is unlimited, called all-you-can-eat [16:35] bandwidth usage over time, that is, as opposed to instanteneous bandwidth [16:35] bigcalm: Yes I'm getting one in August even if I have to change contract to get it :D has one but isn't online currently I blame an AlanBell for that bound to be his fault [16:35] bigcalm, sorta like an sgs2, but with a bigger cpu, and a "3!" on the back? [16:38] directhex: not used an sgs2, but I hear people like it [16:38] davmor2: progress, you're going to get a phone that can do stuff?! [16:38] bigcalm: indeed [16:38] bigcalm, it's successful. mostly salesmen sell it as "like an iphone, but better/cheaper" [16:39] Heh [16:39] Actually liked the look of the sgs2, shame the sgs3 is nothing like it [16:39] bigcalm: no it's better [16:40] * bigcalm shrugs [16:40] Poor Amo will be annoyed that he got the 1x [16:40] davmor2: have there been discussions about the pie factory? (and where was it again?) [16:41] bigcalm: yeap it's on for this next meeting ;) [16:41] Eh? [16:41] Next week? [16:42] I didn't see anything in the mailing list [16:42] bigcalm: yes the next meeting [16:42] Poo [16:42] I was looking forward to steak and a couple of pints [16:44] bigcalm: and instead you get to have a desperate dan cow pie and a couple of pints instead [16:45] Yay pints [16:45] davmor2: so you'll need to give me (and possibly others) details about where and when :) [16:46] bigcalm: I don't [16:46] bigcalm: Big Ron does [16:46] bigcalm: just look up mad o'roakes pie factory [16:48] davmor2: ah, good. At least I know where now :) [16:48] bigcalm: well you were told it before you know [16:49] davmor2: yes, and I had forgotten, hence me asking you [16:49] ARGH! [16:50] http://www.madorourkes.com/menus.html [16:50] Just has a link to a PDF menu [16:50] Sodding restaurant web sites suck [16:51] bigcalm: welcome to the real world [16:51] It's always the case [16:52] Grumb [16:52] le [16:53] Yikes, it's on the other side of Wolves [16:53] bigcalm: yeap told you head down the rabbit run will be your quickest way there [16:54] I have no idea what/where the rabbit run is :) [16:55] bigcalm: http://goo.gl/maps/G7R1 [16:55] bigcalm: bit like that ^ [16:56] davmor2: except that I'm TF10, not Telford :) [16:56] bigcalm: there would be tweaks at either end but that was to give you an idea of where the rabbit run was [16:57] Ok, completely different road from where I am [16:57] A41 is my route in [16:57] Anyway. At 7pm, things are fairly easy going [16:58] bigcalm: oh so nowhere near telford then :P [17:02] bigcalm: so you are more newport way than telford then right? === schwuk is now known as schwuk_afk === schwuk_afk is now known as schwuk [17:51] evenin all [17:51] o/ [17:54] So, "Olympic Leader", pillar of community or (unpaid) shiller of corporatocracy? [17:57] www.london2012.com/join-in/local-leaders/ [17:57] unpaid shiller of corporatocracy \o/ [17:59] Olympic / Jubilee double whammy has left me grumpier than average [18:00] Esp. since wifelet is a royalist fanatic for some reason [18:02] There must be around 20GB of Jubilee on my MythTV server === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [19:01] dwatkins: The Three tariff is the one I'm thinking about, even getting a galaxy S3, its cheaper than I'm paying now [19:05] aquarius: Nicely wrote up, didn't know about the space before grep to stop it going into history [19:10]