[01:15] <MaskedDriver> canthus13: how'd postfix go?
[01:16] <canthus13> I'm still tweaking it to get it working with a client, but I had webmail up and running in about half an hour. :)
[01:17] <MaskedDriver> outstanding
[01:17] <MaskedDriver> squirrel?
[01:17] <canthus13> yep
[01:17] <MaskedDriver> just about the best postfix webmail client known to man
[01:17] <MaskedDriver> brb
[01:17] <canthus13> ...and then the PSU overheated and died. Just swpped it out. :P
[01:21] <MaskedDriver> postfix blew up your PSU again? man, how many times have I told you
[01:21] <MaskedDriver> was it an old unit?
[01:22] <canthus13> Yep.
[01:22] <canthus13> I mixed it up with a good PSU.. it had a bad fan in it.
[01:23] <MaskedDriver> ahh
[01:23] <MaskedDriver> how many watts?
[01:24] <MaskedDriver> ah.. I see you're also using Dovecot. I've never been a huge fan
[01:25] <canthus13> 400. Plenty for the CPU.
[01:25] <MaskedDriver> what kind of cpu?
[01:25] <canthus13> athlon 1700+
[01:25] <MaskedDriver> holy old school batman
[01:26] <canthus13> It's all I need. :)
[01:26] <MaskedDriver> :)
[01:26] <MaskedDriver> my server is only an i3 with 8GB RAM
[01:27] <canthus13> 40GB hard drive, DVD that I could prolly unplug and never miss.  All it does is run shell accounts for about 10 people, mail, light web duties.
[01:27] <MaskedDriver> it's a windows server with my web server running as a hyper-v vm. both run like a dream. I expected much less performance out of it
[01:27]  * canthus13 would prolly need heavy duty stuff with windows, too.
[01:27] <MaskedDriver> aye
[01:28] <MaskedDriver> I spend more time ssh'd into the centos box than RDP'd into the windows one though
[01:28] <MaskedDriver> only time I RDP in is when I'm adding a new person to the AD or something
[01:28] <canthus13> heh.
[01:28] <canthus13> can't do that from the command line?
[01:28] <MaskedDriver> windows command line?
[01:29] <MaskedDriver> have you played with PowerShell?
[01:29] <MaskedDriver> *shivers*
[01:29] <canthus13> I thought most server functions were supposed to be usable from the command line.
[01:29] <canthus13> Powershell looks like it'll be nice once it matures... in 20 years. :)
[01:29] <MaskedDriver> yeah it is, but it's a nightmare. far more refined in Windows 8
[01:30] <MaskedDriver> instead of taking 20 minutes to initialize the powershell, it only takes 8
[01:30] <canthus13> heh.
[01:30] <MaskedDriver> or I can hop on putty and ssh in and get what I'm trying to do done in seconds
[01:31] <MaskedDriver> or sftp when dealing with webdev stuff
[01:31]  * canthus13 nods.
[01:31] <MaskedDriver> Windows doesn't make anything easy unfortunately
[01:31] <canthus13> It makes it easy for people who can't type... :)
[01:31] <MaskedDriver> and that's what they're trying to accomplish with the better Powershell in Server 2012
[01:32] <MaskedDriver> people have gui's shoved so far up their ***' now, that they don't have any idea what to do if it's not there
[01:32] <canthus13> true.
[01:33] <MaskedDriver> Even Ubuntu users... We were interviewing for another Web Developer to come help me and the other guy out. They said they had Ubuntu experience, I'd ask them how good their CLI is and they just gloss over and look at me like I just spoke in latin
[01:34] <MaskedDriver> how can you expect to modify a virtualhost in apache without it?
[01:34] <MaskedDriver> I'll be damned if you're logging in to my web server as root with SFTP
[01:34] <MaskedDriver> just so you can use gedit or pnotepad
[01:34] <canthus13> Heh.
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[01:34]  * canthus13 needs to find a job working with linux, dammit. :P
[01:35] <MaskedDriver> how's your MySQL?
[01:35] <canthus13> I'd love a sys admin job.
[01:35] <canthus13> Sucks.
[01:35]  * canthus13 hasn't had a lot of exposure to SQL. :/
[01:35] <canthus13> I'm working on it.
[01:35] <MaskedDriver> gotcha. We need a DBA bad
[01:35] <canthus13> Ah.
[01:35] <MaskedDriver> I'm a developer, not a database architech
[01:36] <MaskedDriver> so when the system is slow, I look like an a-hole cause I don't know how to properly optimize an ndb cluster table
[01:36] <MaskedDriver> I didn't know what an ndb cluster was before this job
[01:36] <MaskedDriver> then again, neither did our sysadmin lol
[01:37] <MaskedDriver> that was and still is an interesting situation
[01:37] <MaskedDriver> a script that loads in 10ms with MyISAM takes 30 seconds with ndbcluster... damn complicated table joins
[01:39]  * canthus13 nods.
[01:39] <canthus13> Fun stuff.
[01:39] <MaskedDriver> I'm starting to look at python web frameworks. I need to get out of PHP. The better I get, the more I'm finding limitations to it
[01:40] <MaskedDriver> I see a problem that I know would be super easier in a language liek Python or even C# ffs
[01:41] <canthus13> heh.
[01:42]  * canthus13 has a friend pulling about 160k coding ruby.
[01:42] <MaskedDriver> *shivers*
[01:42] <MaskedDriver> because nobody codes in Ruby
[01:43] <canthus13> straight out of high school, too... annoys me a bit.
[01:43] <MaskedDriver> lol yeah.. I'm 5 years in profesionally and am nowhere near the triple digits
[01:44] <MaskedDriver> you gotta take the chance though, that's my problem. I'm a perfectionist and get inside my head and see a listing and automatically assume I'm not good enough for it
[01:45] <canthus13> same here.
[01:45] <MaskedDriver> then I see stuff that people that make WAY more money than me and think, "mother of god, you're bad"
[01:45] <MaskedDriver> see stuff from people*
[01:46] <canthus13> heh.
[01:48] <canthus13> Yeah.. I just suck at interviews. :P
[01:48] <MaskedDriver> lol
[01:48] <MaskedDriver> I knock them out of the park, I just don't get the calls lol
[01:48]  * canthus13 nods.
[02:29] <MaskedDriver> canthus13: best of luck.. I'm heading to bed
[02:29] <MaskedDriver> catch you tomorrow
[02:33] <canthus13> ok.
[02:33] <canthus13> 'nite.
[15:31] <MaskedDriver> yahoo's new browser's website is so awesome it crashed Chrome
[15:33] <canthus13> Heh.
[15:33] <canthus13> There's a yahoo browser? I suppose it's about on par with AOL's browser...
[15:34] <MaskedDriver> http://axis.yahoo.com
[15:34] <MaskedDriver> it's actually quite good from the reviews I've rea
[15:34] <dzho> bold as love
[15:34] <MaskedDriver> read
[15:34] <MaskedDriver> it's only available on the desktop as a plugin for Firefox or Chrome
[15:34] <MaskedDriver> ... no thanks
[15:35] <dzho> I can think of few things that creeped me out quite so much as learning that Google was putting a browser out there.
[15:35] <canthus13> Heh.
[15:36] <dzho> so, a standalone browser for iOS, but an extension to desktop browsers.
[15:37] <canthus13> a standalone in iOS? So... no javascript support.
[15:38] <canthus13> ...or it's using the safari rendering engine in iOS.
[15:38] <MaskedDriver> canthus13: pretty sure it'll support javascript. you thinking flash?
[15:38] <canthus13> Nope. There's a reason there's no Firefox for iOS.
[15:38] <canthus13> Apple won't allow anything that executes it's own code.
[15:39] <canthus13> (Unless that's changed.. I haven't looked into it in a few months.)
[15:39] <MaskedDriver> idk. it may use the safari rendering engine
[15:39] <MaskedDriver> I don't have any apple devices so I have no idea
[15:39] <canthus13> neither do I.  But I looked into it because I get customers who whine because they can't get firefox on their iPad or iPhone or other iCrap.
[15:42] <MaskedDriver> I've got 2 android phone and a xyboard
[15:44]  * canthus13 has an android phone, his wife has an android phone.
[16:00] <dzho> can one really not run any js in iOS Safari?
[16:03] <dzho> I think the test here for me is to put up my own page with a little bit of demo js in it, and then walk over to the nearest iDevice vendor and try it out.
[16:18] <canthus13> dzho: you can run js in safari, but no non-apple apps can execute code.
[16:54] <thafreak> can I crowd source a bit here
[16:54] <thafreak> anyone know of group chat other than irc that keeps history?
[16:54] <thafreak> so when a new user logs in, he/she sees what's already been discussed?
[17:02] <thafreak> Is there a bot or something that could help with that?
[17:03] <Unit193> There's a few channels where the bot will PM everything since last time they were there, but that could be an issue if they don't idle much.  Some think Etherpad is good.
[17:06] <thafreak> etherpad? isn't that the thing google bought
[17:07] <MaskedDriver> yeah, but they released the project as opensource on google code
[17:07] <Unit193> Has chat on the side, but I don't think it's the same.
[17:08] <MaskedDriver> I thought etherpad was a type of word processor though
[17:09] <MaskedDriver> not quite what thafreak was looking for lol
[17:10] <Unit193> http://notes.kde.org/ubuntuguidelines like this, and I agree that it isn't, they just want to use it as a replacement for next UDS so someone has to think it is.
[17:33] <dzho> thafreak: I've been messing around a little bit with ejabberd
[17:33] <dzho> not sure if that keeps history or not
[17:52] <thafreak> hey you guys hear about a security breach at linked in?
[17:52] <thafreak> thousands of sha-1 hashed passwords leaked
[17:52] <canthus13> yup.
[17:53] <thafreak> wtf...wonder how this one happened
[17:53] <thafreak> if they're running windows servers....well, serves them right
[17:54] <canthus13> Heh.
[17:55] <thafreak> i never did trust linkedin....used my throw away password on it anyway
[17:55] <thafreak> now i got to change all the sites i used my throw away one on though :)
[17:56] <thafreak> er
[17:56] <thafreak> :(
[17:56] <MaskedDriver> not if you're not on the list
[17:56] <MaskedDriver> http://www.mediafire.com/?n307hutksjstow3
[17:56] <thafreak> yeah, i don't care
[17:57] <thafreak> i'm not trusting that they didn't keep some to them selves or something
[17:57] <Cheri703> I just deleted my linked in account, as it used an email I only use in one other spot and it has a different password there
[18:02] <thafreak> deleted your linked in account? but how are all the recruiters going to hound you now?
[18:02] <Cheri703> it was essentially bare
[18:02] <Cheri703> I'll make another one here in a bit
[18:02] <thafreak> I'll probably use keepassx to generate a random string again
[18:03] <thafreak> bbl...going to pick up a used xbox 360 i got off ebay...
[19:13] <jrgifford> anybody use a wiling window manager?
[19:13] <jrgifford> *tiling
[19:54] <thafreak> my wm is willing...and able
[19:55] <thafreak> oops, you weren't even in here
[19:55] <thafreak> oops, you weren't even in here
[19:55] <Unit193> Geez, lagging here, but only for this network.
[19:55] <thafreak> my wm is willing...and able
[22:36] <thafreak> Anyone see the new LPI exam?
[22:36] <thafreak> linux essentials certificate
[22:36] <thafreak> i think it's targeted at HS students and also community colleges
[23:44] <canthus13> nope.