| tjaalton | bryceh: oh you took the task to send the patches upstream, nice :) | 05:56 |
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| tjaalton | i just had a brief look at the remaining patches yesterday and spotted these two | 05:56 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: btw, you bumped the package revision of xorg-server ;) | 05:56 |
| ricotz | Sarvatt, thanks for pushing the driver updates that fast | 07:32 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, dch's fault :-) | 07:33 |
| tjaalton | don't use -i ;) | 07:41 |
| bryceh | tut tut, use -i all the time | 07:42 |
| tjaalton | it already increments the version when the previous entry is finalized, so -i is rarely needed | 07:44 |
| bryceh | huh | 07:46 |
| mlankhorst | morning btw | 07:49 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: ahh, you need DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC="changelog" in .devscripts | 07:50 |
| tjaalton | then it works properly | 07:50 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, aha thanks | 07:51 |
| tjaalton | normally i just edit the changelog directly, but dch adds the multimaint-tags | 07:52 |
| bryceh | yeah same | 07:53 |
| RAOF | Moshi moshi. | 07:54 |
| tjaalton | so the big api change got merged in xserver master, and for 1.13 we might see some of the hotplug/offload functionality too | 07:58 |
| tjaalton | anyway, 12,5h until the meeting ;) | 08:00 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: i think that's the default in recent devscripts fwiw | 08:01 |
| tjaalton | oh | 08:02 |
| tjaalton | not on precise anyway | 08:02 |
| tjaalton | I tested it now and noticed the difference | 08:02 |
| tjaalton | 2.11.6ubuntu1 | 08:03 |
| tjaalton | but makes sense | 08:03 |
| tjaalton | yeah changed in 2.11.7 | 08:03 |
| jcristau | i've had to put it in .devscripts for years so i'm happy it's finally changed :) | 08:04 |
| mvo | could someone check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1008864 please? it appears that for some users the python equivalent of glxinfo in software-center causes a full X crash on intel: python /usr/share/pyshared/debtagshw/opengl.py is what they run | 08:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1008864 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software center crashes when clicking pay apps" [High,Triaged] | 08:57 |
| tjaalton | mvo: doesn't crash here with sandybridge on 3.4 kernel, will try with the precise one | 09:03 |
| mvo | tjaalton: thanks, maybe some odd cnfiguration on the users system? | 09:04 |
| tjaalton | mvo: not necessarily, intel drm is in rather bad shape on 3.2 :/ | 09:04 |
| tjaalton | some fixes in -proposed | 09:05 |
| mvo | good to hear | 09:05 |
| mvo | (about the fixes, not the bad shape ;) | 09:05 |
| tjaalton | :) | 09:05 |
| tjaalton | and more being validated | 09:05 |
| tjaalton | mvo: still doesn't crash :/ | 09:11 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: When's the meeting, again? | 10:19 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: 21:30 UTC | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | so, 10h from now | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | bit early for you, late for me ;) | 10:20 |
| mlankhorst | slightly late | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | no too bad, the other night I was up until 3am+ playing infamous2.. | 10:22 |
| tjaalton | sweet, intuos5 backport works | 10:33 |
| tjaalton | lunch-> | 10:33 |
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| bcurtiswx | in 12.04 i have a Dell U3011 monitor with 2560x1600 resolution, but after fresh install i only see 1600x1024 as max resolution | 18:11 |
| bcurtiswx | how do I go about forcing 2560x1600 ? | 18:12 |
| tjaalton | which driver? | 18:13 |
| bcurtiswx | nvidia | 18:13 |
| bcurtiswx | nouveau i think | 18:13 |
| bcurtiswx | NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 | 18:13 |
| tjaalton | check that it's actually being used and not vesa | 18:13 |
| bcurtiswx | tjaalton, how do I do this? | 18:13 |
| tjaalton | Xorg.0.log | 18:13 |
| bcurtiswx | where at? /etc/X11 ? | 18:14 |
| tjaalton | /var/log | 18:14 |
| bcurtiswx | /var/log ? | 18:14 |
| bcurtiswx | ok | 18:14 |
| bcurtiswx | brb | 18:14 |
| tjaalton | or 'dmesg|grep nouveau' | 18:14 |
| tjaalton | hmm if it's a fresh install then it should be used | 18:15 |
| tjaalton | thought there would be remnants of the nvidia blob | 18:15 |
| bryceh_ | tjaalton, wonder how many reasons we could dream up for why a system would max out at a lower resolution. | 18:17 |
| tjaalton | bryceh_: :) | 18:18 |
| bryceh_ | bet there's at least a couple dozen | 18:18 |
| tjaalton | there are many, but let's rule out the obvious ones first.. | 18:18 |
| tjaalton | like, kms disabled for one reason or another | 18:18 |
| bryceh_ | tjaalton, most obvious being stray xorg.conf? | 18:18 |
| tjaalton | bcurtiswx: are you sure that your card has enough power, in other words it has the extra power cable attached? | 18:19 |
| tjaalton | I used to have such issues many times, damn hw builders | 18:19 |
| tjaalton | bryceh_: well, not if it's a fresh install, but yeah | 18:20 |
| bcurtiswx | tjaalton, not sure about extra power cord, it's a brand new build delivered yesterday from DELL | 18:20 |
| bcurtiswx | i don't think it would be underpowered | 18:20 |
| bryceh_ | ahhhhhh | 18:20 |
| bryceh_ | bcurtiswx, so it has proper resolution initially, but you wiped the Dell image and reinstalled, and now you don't have it? | 18:21 |
| bcurtiswx | tjaalton, i grep dmesg for vesa dn nouveau and VESA comes up with results while nouveau does not | 18:21 |
| bcurtiswx | s/dn/in | 18:21 |
| bryceh_ | tjaalton, should we ask him for the Xorg.0.log, or would that be cheating like looking at the lid on the puzzle box? | 18:21 |
| bcurtiswx | i can get that for ya | 18:22 |
| tjaalton | heh | 18:22 |
| bcurtiswx | is there a way to send a text file to pastebin ? | 18:22 |
| bryceh_ | pastebinit! | 18:22 |
| tjaalton | bcurtiswx: install pastebinit, then run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' | 18:22 |
| bcurtiswx | ok brb | 18:22 |
| tjaalton | echo! | 18:22 |
| bcurtiswx | + | 18:23 |
| bcurtiswx | bryceh_, tjaalton http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027284/ | 18:24 |
| bryceh_ | ah, -nvidia | 18:24 |
| bryceh_ | use the nvidia graphics config utility thingee | 18:25 |
| bcurtiswx | ? | 18:26 |
| Sarvatt | bcurtiswx: you have it hooked up via a single link cable it looks like | 18:26 |
| Sarvatt | is that dvi or dp? | 18:26 |
| bcurtiswx | its a DVI cord plugged into one that looks like HDMI but it's not quite | 18:27 |
| Sarvatt | if its dvi you need a dual link cable to use the full resolution | 18:27 |
| bryceh_ | [ 33.660] (--) NVIDIA(0): DELL U3011 (DFP-0): Internal Single Link TMDS | 18:27 |
| Sarvatt | ah yeah could be that too | 18:27 |
| Sarvatt | you need an actual dual link dvi cable the whole way or to use displayport, cant do it over HDMI either | 18:28 |
| bryceh_ | huh, that would not have been on my two dozen reasons list | 18:28 |
| tjaalton | would've been on mine :) | 18:32 |
| tjaalton | and it's using the blob | 18:32 |
| tjaalton | so not exactly fresh install | 18:32 |
| tjaalton | to the letter :) | 18:32 |
| tjaalton | i had a similar monitor for several years, and they're quite picky | 18:33 |
| Sarvatt | those 2560x1600 monitors are pains in the butt | 18:33 |
| tjaalton | this 27" 25x14 is pretty nice | 18:33 |
| tjaalton | :) | 18:33 |
| Sarvatt | oh ya got one? | 18:34 |
| tjaalton | if only it wouldn't turn off by itself several times a day | 18:34 |
| tjaalton | yeah | 18:34 |
| tjaalton | for two months now | 18:34 |
| tjaalton | samsung sa850t | 18:34 |
| Sarvatt | bcurtiswx: err so | 18:39 |
| Sarvatt | http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_nvs_295_us.html | 18:39 |
| Sarvatt | says you need to use displayport | 18:39 |
| Sarvatt | guess ya can get a displayport to dual link dvi adapter | 18:40 |
| tjaalton | or just use a dp cable | 18:41 |
| tjaalton | since the monitor has a dp port | 18:41 |
| Sarvatt | bcurtiswx: if you're near woodbridge I can give ya a dp cable :P | 18:41 |
| bcurtiswx | OK, i hooked up a second cable | 18:41 |
| bcurtiswx | its one screen that Ubuntu sees as two | 18:41 |
| bcurtiswx | how do I make it work? | 18:42 |
| tjaalton | huh? | 18:42 |
| bcurtiswx | OK my monitor has TWO DVI hookups | 18:42 |
| bcurtiswx | and i have two DVI-DP connections | 18:42 |
| tjaalton | don't do that | 18:43 |
| bcurtiswx | tjaalton, then what shal I do ? | 18:43 |
| Sarvatt | its the dvi-dp adapters that are limiting you to single link bandwidth | 18:44 |
| Sarvatt | ya need a displayport cable | 18:44 |
| tjaalton | use either a displayport cable, or a dual-link dvi-cable with a dp->dl-dvi adapter | 18:44 |
| Sarvatt | the cables like $5 vs a $50 dual link dvi to displayport adapter | 18:44 |
| tjaalton | yes, the cheap passive adapters only do single-link | 18:44 |
| tjaalton | i know, I have two :) | 18:44 |
| bcurtiswx | i have one cord that takes on DVI and splits it into two | 18:45 |
| bcurtiswx | one* | 18:45 |
| bcurtiswx | that what you mean? | 18:46 |
| tjaalton | no | 18:46 |
| tjaalton | dl-dvi is a cable that has all the pins connected | 18:46 |
| tjaalton | but that won't work either unless you have a proper dp->dl-dvi adapter | 18:46 |
| tjaalton | which is an active box with a power source | 18:46 |
| tjaalton | and costs money | 18:47 |
| tjaalton | well, more than the 15EUR a passive one is | 18:47 |
| tjaalton | maybe 50 | 18:47 |
| Sarvatt | what ya need is something like this http://www.amazon.com/PTC-Premium-Series-DisplayPort-Displayport/dp/B001MIB0SU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339008125&sr=8-1 | 18:47 |
| Sarvatt | i'm not sure if you have full sized displayport or mini on the gpu though | 18:47 |
| Sarvatt | but ya said it looked like hdmi so probably full sized | 18:47 |
| Sarvatt | bcurtiswx: aren't you in fairfax? http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0308064 is the only one i can find for sale in a local shop | 18:52 |
| bcurtiswx | Sarvatt, yes i'm at GMU in fairfax | 18:52 |
| bcurtiswx | what's with that displayport to displayport hookup? | 18:53 |
| tjaalton | it's the best you can get | 18:53 |
| tjaalton | and cheapest | 18:53 |
| bcurtiswx | we have a cord with displayport on both ends | 18:53 |
| tjaalton | so use that | 18:53 |
| bcurtiswx | how? the card is displayport and monitor is DVI | 18:54 |
| Sarvatt | the monitor has displayport | 18:54 |
| Sarvatt | dell says it does at least | 18:54 |
| bcurtiswx | hmm, maybe i'm blind (wouldn't surprise me) | 18:54 |
| bcurtiswx | brb | 18:54 |
| tjaalton | it has a dp, two dl-dvi, two hdmi-1.3, vga.. | 18:54 |
| tjaalton | or it's not U3011 :) | 18:55 |
| Sarvatt | bcurtiswx: right next to the orange audio plug | 18:55 |
| tjaalton | :) | 18:55 |
| bcurtiswx | it's right next to the DVI plug which we couldn't see the DP port without not being lazy | 18:58 |
| Sarvatt | http://sarvatt.com/dp.png | 18:58 |
| bcurtiswx | thanks, gonna go switch that up | 18:58 |
| Sarvatt | cool beans | 18:59 |
| Sarvatt | that should "just work" | 18:59 |
| mlankhorst | hybrid graphics is fun | 19:06 |
| mlankhorst | I keep hitting the hard problems early :D | 19:06 |
| bcurtiswx | Sarvatt, bryceh_, Thanks :) I feel dumb, but It works and thats the important part | 19:10 |
| bcurtiswx | Sarvatt, I'm in Falls Church now | 19:10 |
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| tjaalton | meeting time? | 20:31 |
| tjaalton | bryceh_, mlankhorst, RAOF, Sarvatt | 20:31 |
| tjaalton | uh | 20:32 |
| tjaalton | 1h from now | 20:32 |
| tjaalton | sorry :) | 20:32 |
| tjaalton | didn't realize the uk time isn't utc during summer time | 20:32 |
| bryceh_ | :-) | 21:12 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 21:22 |
| mlankhorst | di | 21:22 |
| RAOF | Heh. | 21:24 |
| RAOF | bryce, mlankhorst, Sarvatt, tjaalton: *Now* it's meeting time :) | 21:33 |
| tjaalton | finally | 21:33 |
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| mlankhorst | wb | 21:35 |
| bryceh | so | 21:35 |
| mlankhorst | but yeah lets see *checks email* | 21:35 |
| bryceh | lts first? | 21:36 |
| mlankhorst | sure | 21:36 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, alrighty take it, where we at? | 21:36 |
| mlankhorst | well the repository is up so I think at this point we just need to land the stack in Q first :) | 21:36 |
| mlankhorst | I have been spending some time on upstream atm, helping airlied with his hybrid graphics work | 21:37 |
| bryceh | ok, any outstanding issues aside from the uninstallation problem? | 21:37 |
| mlankhorst | it's not going to be supported afaict | 21:37 |
| bryceh | ok | 21:37 |
| mlankhorst | so it's not that big a deal | 21:38 |
| bryceh | we'll need to document it where appropriate, but guess we can consider that good enough | 21:38 |
| bryceh | ok, next item was copying nouveau ddx | 21:38 |
| bryceh | I think that's fine. anyone got concerns there? | 21:38 |
| mlankhorst | well the support for that is in debian now, will still require 3.4 kernel | 21:39 |
| tjaalton | but fine for quantal? | 21:39 |
| RAOF | And fine for the LTS backports, too; that's exactly why we depend on the lts kernel backport :) | 21:39 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, does current nouveau ddx *require* 3.4, or just that you don't get the latest functionality unless running 3.4? | 21:39 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: some fermi changes landed that will disable accel for fermi unless you have 3.4 | 21:40 |
| bryceh | ok so yeah, quantal and ppas which depend on the lts kernel backport. guess that means not in x-updates ppa though | 21:40 |
| mlankhorst | about that, what should be my focus atm? I've been helping airlied with his hybrid work on the nouveau side | 21:41 |
| tjaalton | that's fine | 21:42 |
| RAOF | That seems valuable to me | 21:42 |
| mlankhorst | mostly on the nvidiaside because i know it better :) | 21:43 |
| bryceh | yeah, also bug reports filed against precise | 21:43 |
| tjaalton | about the backports; maybe drop -backport from the name to follow the kernel name | 21:43 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, might wait and see what vanhoof finds out for name suggestions, but yeah | 21:43 |
| RAOF | Has the nomenclature for those packages stabilised? | 21:43 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: there were some nouveau bugs filed against libdrm that I moved to -nouveau, so if you have some time to take a look that would be great | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: right | 21:44 |
| bryceh | RAOF, I think the kernel team JFDI'd | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | -lts-quantal | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | is what it has now | 21:44 |
| mlankhorst | but hybrid graphics will require at least 3.5 | 21:44 |
| mlankhorst | maybe 3.6 depending on synch support | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | we'll have it | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | 3.5-rc1 is already being prepared | 21:44 |
| bryceh | ok, so next topic is hybrid gfx | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | and hybrid is still ways off :) | 21:45 |
| RAOF | We might not have 3.6 :) | 21:45 |
| tjaalton | oops | 21:45 |
| tjaalton | xserver master now has the api groundwork for the new functionality | 21:45 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, I gather this is the main topic you wanted to see discussion on? | 21:45 |
| tjaalton | and airlied sent an email commenting on the 1.13 release schedule and what he might want to see happening this cycle | 21:46 |
| mlankhorst | indeed :) | 21:46 |
| tjaalton | so, probably not all of it but output slaves (hotplug usb etc) and dri2 offload | 21:47 |
| mlankhorst | tjaalton: Yeah I was helping airlied a bit by writing some tests for behavior, showing how nvidia hardware worked and help understand problem a bit later | 21:47 |
| mlankhorst | and even fix a firmware bug | 21:47 |
| RAOF | My email is being slow; was there a tentative date for 1.13? | 21:47 |
| mlankhorst | september-ish | 21:47 |
| tjaalton | yeah | 21:47 |
| tjaalton | early sep | 21:47 |
| tjaalton | 4th | 21:48 |
| mlankhorst | but maybe the patches for synching could be cherry picked | 21:49 |
| mlankhorst | if it happens not to land in 3.5, it might not be that big depending on what intel hw supports | 21:49 |
| tjaalton | yeah cherry-picking is possible, at least if we know what to cherry-pick early on | 21:49 |
| RAOF | Or we could feed that request to the kernel team; is 3.6 still looking possible, given appropriate motivation? | 21:50 |
| mlankhorst | the specific changes will be small though | 21:50 |
| tjaalton | that decision is made mid-august or so? | 21:50 |
| mlankhorst | so maybe I should rest a bit on coding on the hybrid stuff for now and only influence the decisions about it still being made | 21:51 |
| mlankhorst | the synching will probably be done inside the kernel only | 21:51 |
| tjaalton | whatever is the latest is what's best for intel anyway.. has been the case for a long time | 21:51 |
| RAOF | I'm sure haswell will work *swimmingly* with 3.5! :) | 21:52 |
| mlankhorst | in any case I think apart from input to the linaro guys about this dmabuf stuff | 21:52 |
| mlankhorst | that there's not much more I can do here atm | 21:52 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: ! :) | 21:52 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, could be, yeah | 21:52 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, do you have hybrid hw? | 21:53 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: just one laptop atm :) | 21:53 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, if not then yeah probably backburner it for time being and just follow discussion | 21:53 |
| mlankhorst | but speaking of which I had to ask you about hardware so if you have some that looks interesting and maybe some radeon as well :) | 21:54 |
| bryceh | I don't think hybrid is **so** important that it'd warrant doing a franken-drm for it | 21:54 |
| mlankhorst | well we should be able to turn it off the proper way at least with the 1.13 changes | 21:55 |
| tjaalton | there's not much left in the drm left aiui | 21:55 |
| tjaalton | uh | 21:55 |
| mlankhorst | i mean, turn off graphics card like raof's | 21:55 |
| RAOF | Not much *more* to do in the drm :) | 21:55 |
| tjaalton | that | 21:56 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, what I tend to do is have a few PC boxes and random assortment of cards to mix and match. Especially for nvidia/radeon testing that's what I'd suggest | 21:56 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: Yeah the patches will probably be small though | 21:56 |
| mlankhorst | especially since nouveau already has synch code in place | 21:57 |
| bryceh | you can get a variety of low end video cards pretty cheaply; for most testing purposes those will be adequate, then once and a while pick up a high end card just for fun | 21:57 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: true, but what about radeon+intel hybrid? | 21:57 |
| RAOF | Right. So, likely to be either cherrypickable, or another motivation to use 3.6. | 21:57 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, for that you'll need a laptop, and requisitioning one from pete is probably the least hassly way to do it | 21:58 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: tseliot should have those, and RAOF has one too I believe | 21:58 |
| RAOF | mlankhorst: I'm not sure if the BIOSes support it, but you should be able to do radeon+intel hybrid on a desktop, too? | 21:58 |
| mlankhorst | if we can get the synch changes in, it would be nice to have | 21:58 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: All the ones I have seemed to always disable intel. :/ | 21:58 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, magic words seem to be "I'm interested in broken hybrid graphics laptops that I can work on fixing" ;-) | 21:59 |
| mlankhorst | hehehhe | 21:59 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, at uds we talked about the feasibility of replicating a hybrid box via a PC with onboard video + pci-e card, and sounded like it might be another thing to try out at least for some testing purposes | 22:00 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: yeah but it seems the card just disappears atm, if i had a less buggy bios. | 22:00 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, so, write up a request to send to pete. I can proof-read it for you ahead of time if you'd like. | 22:01 |
| mlankhorst | sure | 22:01 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, ok anything else on hybrid? | 22:02 |
| mlankhorst | nope, next topic? | 22:02 |
| bryceh | SNA! | 22:02 |
| bryceh | snaaaah snaaaah | 22:02 |
| bryceh | RAOF, feel like switching it on now? | 22:02 |
| mlankhorst | oh that's needed for hybrid btw | 22:02 |
| tjaalton | is upstream enabling it soon? | 22:02 |
| bryceh | of course | 22:02 |
| mlankhorst | because of Y-major tiling | 22:03 |
| RAOF | sna's needed for hybrid? | 22:03 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, I think it is already switched on by debian and we're forcing it off | 22:03 |
| * bryceh doublechecks | 22:03 | |
| RAOF | Only in experimental. | 22:03 |
| * RAOF merged 2.19 in last week. Or Monday. Or something. | 22:03 | |
| tjaalton | right | 22:03 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: Probably going to be because of the blitter being braindead and sna actually using the 3d hardware for it | 22:03 |
| bryceh | * No SNA for unstable, it's too fast of a moving target for now. | 22:03 |
| tjaalton | yeah I remember airlied mentioning that | 22:03 |
| RAOF | The last thing I heard about sna from !ickle was airlied talking about corruption that a fellow RHer was seeing when they tried it. | 22:04 |
| tjaalton | he's not going to fix uxa :) | 22:04 |
| RAOF | And ickle saying ?yeah, you need at least the very latest everything or I don't care? | 22:04 |
| tjaalton | hehe | 22:04 |
| tjaalton | "typical" | 22:04 |
| bryceh | *sigh* | 22:05 |
| bryceh | anyway, I would like to propose we switch it on now and kick the tires on it and make a decision prior to alpha-2 | 22:05 |
| RAOF | So we could turn it on, and if we need it for hybrid and we *want* hybrid (which I think we do), then we should do so now and ensure we hit as many problems as early as possible. | 22:05 |
| mlankhorst | oh btw for nouveau ddx i want to ask darktama first, after that it could probably be copied from experimental | 22:06 |
| bryceh | if nothing else we can do the bug-forwarding-to-intel dance for a bit | 22:06 |
| tjaalton | not until quantal has 3.5-rc1 though? :) | 22:06 |
| bryceh | and by we I mean me :-/ | 22:06 |
| tjaalton | or any 3.5-rc | 22:06 |
| mlankhorst | rc1? optimistic | 22:06 |
| tjaalton | no i mean turning sna on | 22:06 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, why? | 22:07 |
| mlankhorst | oh sure | 22:07 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: it's closer to upstream than 3.4 | 22:07 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, ah you mean for bug forwarding? | 22:07 |
| mlankhorst | by the way no guarantee hybrid will be complete this cycle, if not definitely for next though :) | 22:07 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: yeah | 22:07 |
| mlankhorst | Fortunately the synch changes are kernel only | 22:08 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: right, but we might get some of the features | 22:08 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, *shrug* they always want us to have the user test against -drm-intel-next-experimental-not-yet-maybe anyway | 22:08 |
| bryceh | so don't think waiting for 3.5-rc to hit is going to matter much | 22:08 |
| tjaalton | well, turn it on only after _some_ initial testing on quantal? :) | 22:09 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, so maybe switch it on in edgers for a week and see if anyone cries uncle first? | 22:09 |
| tjaalton | sounds good. Sarvatt? | 22:10 |
| mlankhorst | lgmt | 22:10 |
| mlankhorst | lgtm* | 22:10 |
| tjaalton | lgtm? | 22:10 |
| tjaalton | ah | 22:10 |
| mlankhorst | looks good to me | 22:10 |
| tjaalton | <- n00b | 22:11 |
| RAOF | I'll give it a bash on my systems, too. | 22:11 |
| bryceh | same | 22:11 |
| bryceh | RAOF, you want the task of turning it on or shall I? | 22:12 |
| tjaalton | i'm still running precise, because of all the bugs | 22:12 |
| tjaalton | in precise :) | 22:12 |
| RAOF | bryceh: I'll turn it on. | 22:12 |
| bryceh | ok sounds good | 22:12 |
| bryceh | next topic... speaking of bugs in precise... 8.0.3? | 22:13 |
| tjaalton | yeah, Sarvatt pushed the merge to git | 22:13 |
| bryceh | last time we talked about it, thinking was we could maybe get the whole thing through SRU? do we want to try that? | 22:13 |
| tjaalton | sure, but it needs to get in quantal first, after alpha1 | 22:14 |
| bryceh | was thinking if we did piglit runs on precise with and without it, and showed no regressions, it would help | 22:14 |
| RAOF | That would indeed help. | 22:14 |
| bryceh | I've got systems set up for doing piglit runs on the various drivers, so can take that part of the task | 22:15 |
| tjaalton | then maybe a meta-bug with the commit diff explained in detail, in order to dispel fears that it might look too scary | 22:15 |
| tjaalton | (damn wifi resetting all the time) | 22:15 |
| mlankhorst | i thought the release team hated meta bugs? | 22:15 |
| tjaalton | sure they do | 22:15 |
| bryceh | they do hate unexplained diff bits more though :-) | 22:16 |
| tjaalton | but since there are no other bugs to use.. | 22:16 |
| RAOF | There are *no* existing launchpad bugs fixed by 8.0.3? | 22:16 |
| mlankhorst | speaking of which can we SRU synaptics soon? | 22:16 |
| bryceh | although based on past experience I tend to have low grokkage of mesa changelogs. would someone else be able to write that part up? | 22:16 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: probably yes, but don't think there are _verified_ bugs | 22:16 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, is what sarvatt put in git good to go? Could I slap it in a ppa and expect it to build? | 22:17 |
| RAOF | I would probably be able to do the metabug part, but I'm not sure if I'm the best person to do that. | 22:17 |
| bryceh | if so, I could spam likely looking bugs to test it. | 22:17 |
| RAOF | That sounds like a winner. | 22:18 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: it builds | 22:18 |
| mlankhorst | It didn't crash when I logged in to desktop | 22:18 |
| mlankhorst | (I didn't say anything about misrenders) | 22:18 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: heh, being on the sru team | 22:18 |
| bryceh | RAOF, in the sense that you'd be the reviewer? | 22:18 |
| RAOF | mlankhorst: That's not *quite* the level of testing we're hoping for on SRUs :) | 22:18 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: if you do it right you can do that with synaptics currently | 22:19 |
| mlankhorst | :D | 22:19 |
| bryceh | RAOF, in which case maybe it'd be better to have you write the meta bug and another SRU reviewer do the review? | 22:19 |
| RAOF | bryceh: That would work. | 22:19 |
| bryceh | RAOF, effectively giving the whole a double SRU review :-) | 22:19 |
| RAOF | For added freshness! | 22:19 |
| bryceh | okie doke, sounds like a plan | 22:19 |
| bryceh | last topic, a few patches I noticed that need some actions | 22:20 |
| bryceh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+patches | 22:20 |
| bryceh | #993427 - fglrx breakage with the kernel | 22:20 |
| mlankhorst | oh do we care about vdpau? It's just going to excarbate the flash problem.. | 22:21 |
| bryceh | basically needs tseliot to look at that one. I would do it myself but I'm not sure how we're doing git packaging stuff for fglrx now. anyone clue me in? | 22:21 |
| tjaalton | no idea | 22:22 |
| tjaalton | it's on github maybe | 22:22 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, bug #1002224 suggests we do care | 22:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1002224 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Please include gallium vdpau and xvmc driver support" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002224 | 22:22 |
| RAOF | nvidia & fglrx was on github last time I touched it. | 22:22 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: I mean, I understand vdpau and xvmc, and it's not that big of a win without hardware acceleration | 22:22 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, I +1'd it, and it looks good to me for sponsoring it, but wanted to run it by everyone else for sanity checking? | 22:22 |
| tjaalton | should we drop patch 610206 as silly? | 22:22 |
| tjaalton | i mean close bug 610206 | 22:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 610206 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Build in input drivers for speed" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610206 | 22:23 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, yeah go for it | 22:23 |
| bryceh | RAOF, is tseliot cool with just having stuff pushed there, or does he actually want to review everything first? | 22:24 |
| RAOF | I think we should, yes. | 22:24 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: I mean, it's not going to benefit anything yet. :/ | 22:24 |
| RAOF | bryceh: I proposed a merge when I touched it, that seemed to work well. | 22:24 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, ah. is there risks for having it turned on? | 22:24 |
| RAOF | mlankhorst: Doesn't r300/r600 have shader-based acceleration for at least some of vdpau? | 22:25 |
| bryceh | RAOF, ok thanks, I'll give that a try | 22:25 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: for mpeg2.. in which case your cpu is fast enough to do everything | 22:25 |
| RAOF | Heh. Of course! | 22:25 |
| mlankhorst | and the bitstream processing is still done on software | 22:25 |
| RAOF | I don't object to vdpau being turned on, though. If it breaks something it's simple to turn off. | 22:26 |
| mlankhorst | i guess it could be turned on on the simple fact nvidia is even buggier because it's using overlays | 22:27 |
| RAOF | Although obviously it should be wrapped by VAAPI | 22:27 |
| RAOF | ? | 22:27 |
| mlankhorst | RAOF: va-api is insane :P | 22:27 |
| bryceh | maybe this would be another one to switch on post alpha-1 and evaluate pre alpha-2? | 22:27 |
| RAOF | Yup. | 22:28 |
| bryceh | alrighty | 22:28 |
| RAOF | Also should see if Debian's interested. | 22:28 |
| bryceh | RAOF, do you mean aside from the discussion on the linked bug? | 22:29 |
| bryceh | ok, last patch question, bug #996250 - it's a security issue but marked low priority. Should we be taking action on that, or will the security team handle it? | 22:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 996250 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Quantal) "input device names used in logging format strings" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/996250 | 22:30 |
| bryceh | kees, ^^ | 22:30 |
| mlankhorst | oh hey could anyone look at that other security bug btw | 22:30 |
| tjaalton | oh, speaking of mesa. I'd like it to only build the 32bit libosmesa. would speed up the build quite a bit, and besides debian and us no other distro is building 8 & 16bit libs as well.. | 22:30 |
| tjaalton | maybe this was discussed already at some point | 22:31 |
| RAOF | Ah, missed that. | 22:31 |
| RAOF | In other mesa cleaning - is there any reason at all to build libgl1-mesa-swx11? | 22:32 |
| tjaalton | no | 22:32 |
| mlankhorst | to prevent apt-get install .*quantal with renamed stack from building | 22:32 |
| mlankhorst | :-) | 22:32 |
| mlankhorst | working* | 22:32 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, haha | 22:33 |
| RAOF | Ok. I'm happy to drop < 32bit osmesa, and swx11; tjaalton, have you discussed with debian-x at all? | 22:33 |
| bryceh | so yeah, maybe another thing to drop post alpha1 and evaluate before alpha2? | 22:34 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: yes, a bit. I'll propose these two but they could be post-wheezy material anyway | 22:34 |
| RAOF | To experimental! | 22:35 |
| tjaalton | yeah | 22:35 |
| RAOF | Yeah, what with the incoming freeze and all. | 22:35 |
| RAOF | We can drop them sooner; post-A1 seems fine. | 22:35 |
| tjaalton | right | 22:35 |
| tjaalton | i have a branch that reworks the osmesa builds | 22:35 |
| mlankhorst | will the swx11 be a transitional package that depends on proper gl please? | 22:36 |
| tjaalton | from last fall, did some build benchmarking | 22:36 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: why would that be needed? proper gl gets installed anyway | 22:36 |
| RAOF | Does dropping the package entirely make -lts-quantal harder? | 22:37 |
| tjaalton | s/gets/is/ | 22:37 |
| mlankhorst | maybe | 22:37 |
| mlankhorst | i never tried with swx11 so i cant say with 100% certainty, but wouldn't surprise me. | 22:38 |
| bryceh | shall we give it a go anyway, and make that part of the pre-alpha2 eval? | 22:38 |
| mlankhorst | sure | 22:38 |
| bryceh | guessing it'll become pretty evident if it makes -lts-quantal harder | 22:38 |
| tjaalton | libgl1-mesa-swx11 has one non-mesa rdepends | 22:38 |
| mlankhorst | i could always add the rules to the proper gl in that case | 22:38 |
| bryceh | alright. I'll draft up the tasks from all the above into the blueprint for us. | 22:39 |
| mlankhorst | pyglet.. | 22:39 |
| tjaalton | and python-pyglet has 'libgl | libgl1-mesa-swx11' | 22:39 |
| bryceh | ok, any other topics? | 22:39 |
| tjaalton | *libgl1 | 22:39 |
| tjaalton | uh, so python-pyglet needs fixing | 22:39 |
| tjaalton | hum no | 22:39 |
| mlankhorst | tjaalton: not necessarily for backport quantal at least | 22:40 |
| RAOF | Everything that we care about Provides: libgl1, though. | 22:40 |
| mlankhorst | since it's not using versioned provides | 22:40 |
| tjaalton | libgl1-mesa-glx provides libgl1 | 22:40 |
| mlankhorst | tjaalton: right so for backports ill just let it provide libgl1-mesa-swx11 and replaces too | 22:41 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: well, I've been going through the intel hang bugs, since I moved on to using the ivybridge machine a few weeks ago, and current precise is not working too well with it | 22:41 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: replaces is needed only if it replaces files | 22:41 |
| tjaalton | and there are no other reverse deps so meh :) | 22:42 |
| mlankhorst | like libGL1 | 22:42 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, ok | 22:42 |
| mlankhorst | that's the whole reason we need them | 22:42 |
| tjaalton | anyway.. the merge window for the next precise kernel update closes late next week | 22:43 |
| tjaalton | so there are still some days to find and verify backportable fixes to drm | 22:43 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, what are your thoughts on the ivy bridge freezes? | 22:43 |
| tjaalton | but I'm only looking at i915 | 22:43 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: works with 3.4, buggy with 3.3.6, haven't tried 3.3.7 which someone said would fix the rest. but mesa 8.0.3 might help as well | 22:44 |
| mlankhorst | is there anything else on the agenda? | 22:44 |
| tjaalton | impossible to tell since it's a hard freeze and I get no data out of it | 22:45 |
| mlankhorst | else I'd really like to get some sleep now :) | 22:45 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, no other items after gpu freezes, unless anyone else has anything? | 22:46 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, can you ssh in while its frozen? | 22:46 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging/WirelessWithoutX, or ethernet | 22:47 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: no, it's completely dead | 22:47 |
| RAOF | I think I was seeing that hard-freeze, too. | 22:47 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, so maybe more than just drm falling over? | 22:47 |
| bryceh | netconsole? | 22:47 |
| tjaalton | it had other freezes where you could chvt and restart X, which really didn't work out that well. but those are now fixed by the -proposed kernel and mesa update | 22:48 |
| tjaalton | I'll test some combinations first before going too deep :) | 22:48 |
| bryceh | sounds good | 22:48 |
| tjaalton | I could reproduce some of the bugs on my snb laptop too | 22:49 |
| tjaalton | so should be able to verify the proposed fixes too | 22:49 |
| bryceh | sounds good. I stopped looking at gpu lockups after the release, although I know there were still some that never got figured out. | 22:50 |
| bryceh | I've had a few freezes on my own intel boxes since the release, but nothing I could reproduce | 22:50 |
| bryceh | ok, let's wrap the meeting up. mlankhorst go get some sleep :-) | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | there's one verified fix, one that I can repro, and one that still needs the reporter to check | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | hmm i should probably get afk as well | 22:52 |
| mlankhorst | night :) | 22:56 |
| tjaalton | zzz -> | 22:56 |
| RAOF | To the showers! | 22:57 |
| bryceh | new WI's → https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-xorg-general | 23:16 |
| RAOF | Ok. SNA is not *totally* crackful. | 23:47 |
| RAOF | Just a little bit. | 23:48 |
| RAOF | Oh, ARSE. Did I really run ?git clean? without having committed those files to git? | 23:49 |
| RAOF | Dej? D?p to the rescue! | 23:51 |
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