[00:00] <BarkingFish> Gyges: sorry, I don't visit links without knowing what is supposed to be there, especially redirects
[00:00] <tugba_> yup i was just curious if it deletes the tables or not
[00:00] <tugba_> i got my answer
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> it doesn't care about tables
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> it copies bytes
[00:00] <tugba_> luckly i got an error and it stoped
[00:00] <tugba_> so may be i can rebuild
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> heh
[00:00] <aaron_samuel> not likely
[00:00] <Gyges> BarkingFish, it's about commandline pastebin
[00:01] <escott> tugba_, when did it get an error, and what was the exact command you executed?
[00:01] <jagginess> tugba_, a harddrive is a linear device.. when you store a file on a filesystem it isn't linear because the filesystem driver writes randomly within the partition, BUT the filesystem table is much more structured and very well indexed and is more like a "database"/less random
[00:01] <BarkingFish> just to be on the safe side, I'll open it in a CLI browser :P
[00:01] <tugba_> escott, no may be 2 seconds after i run the command
[00:01] <Gyges> ok
[00:01] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: thats a lot of time
[00:02] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: what was your initial goal and the command you ran? if you dont folks asking
[00:02] <keanne> any idea why /etc/network/interfaces does not work on bootup? but if i restart networking, the static address that i use in the interface file works. but upon bootup, it uses dhcp everytime
[00:02] <escott> tugba_, i meant "how many bytes had it written when it gave the error"
[00:02] <aaron_samuel> hard to find out unless you send kill -USR1 to dd while it's running
[00:02] <BarkingFish> thanks Gyges - I apologise for not trusting you, but when people send me links which I don't know about, I'm kind of weary. I've been taken for a ride so many times with things doing odd stuff to my pc, or pages linking to spam, I'm kind of paranoid :)
[00:02] <Gyges> keanne, maybe some "network-manager"/"wicd" is using dhcp
[00:03] <Gyges> good for you
[00:03] <jabberwalker> I am trying to do a fresh install of 12.04 desktop and when it comes to selecting the partition there are none to select, i boot into live disc and created a partition with gpartion but it still does not see any
[00:03] <tugba_> aaron; i was just trying to get an image file of an corrupted external hdd. i was hoping to write into the hard drive not over it
[00:03] <keanne> i can see in dmesg error messages like operation="profile_log" pid=508" name="/usr/lib/networkmanager/nm-dhcp-client.action"
[00:03] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: the command please.
[00:04] <aaron_samuel> in any regards like i said - it's not like some slow guy performing a job - its a computer - things happen quickly
[00:04] <keanne> Gyges: hmm.. but i dont have network-manager nor dhcp installed
[00:04] <BarkingFish> jabberwalker: are your hard disks being properly detected by your bios, and what are they? IDE or SATA?
[00:04] <jagginess> aaron_samuel, not true.. R.Stallman and L.Torvald live in the cpu
[00:04] <aaron_samuel> haha
[00:04] <tugba_> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1
[00:04] <aaron_samuel> umm...
[00:05] <hristoasenov> hello, i am currently using ubuntu 8.10 intrepid
[00:05] <tugba_> sdb1 was the external
[00:05] <h00k> !eol | hristoasenov
[00:05] <tugba_> sda1 is the partion that has windows in it
[00:05] <aaron_samuel> well you overwrote sdb1 with sda1 data bit for bit tugba_ .. or started to
[00:05] <jagginess> tugba_, you dont want to do that.. the filesystem tables won't reflect the size of the partition..
[00:05] <escott> tugba_, and how many bytes did it read and write before the error
[00:05] <h00k> hristoasenov: Intrepid is End of Life, check the above link ^
[00:05] <tugba_> yu
[00:05] <jabberwalker> BarkingFish: yes, SATA and I am able to create partitions when in the live disc version of ubunti
[00:05] <creature> Hello. I have a filesystem that I mount by hand. Is there a way to automatically trigger a script when that file system gets mounted?
[00:05] <hristoasenov> however i need to downgrade the kernel because i need to patch a very specific version of it
[00:06] <jagginess> creature, that's a udev rule.. you'll have to dig on how to do that (it's quite an advanced topic)
[00:06] <hristoasenov> mainly linux-2.6.24.7
[00:06] <tugba_> escott, i got your point but i really dunt know
[00:06] <tugba_> the value
[00:06] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: Intrepid is not supported anymore - there will be nothing you can do with it, I'd imagine.
[00:06] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: what do you think you lost now? the data on the external?
[00:06] <tugba_> aaron, yes i do understand
[00:06] <tugba_> aaron
[00:06] <aaron_samuel> ok
[00:06] <creature> jagginess: I had a brief look at that, as I've found that already. But I'm not sure that's what I want; it's not something that happens when I plug a device in. It's always plugged in, but not always mounted.
[00:06] <jagginess> creature, also it may be possible (i think), to have a dbus mount policy for a certian harddrive.. but i don't think i'll be able to find a source on that
[00:06] <hristoasenov> i tried installing hardy haron on my pc however it wont even boot, intrepid at least booted and i was able to install it
[00:06] <escott> tugba_, you can try using testdisk. but without knowing how much was written its hard to say if that will be worth your time
[00:06] <aaron_samuel> you wont know what dd wrote or it's status
[00:06] <tugba_> aaron, no the data on my local hard disk windows partition
[00:07] <aaron_samuel> unless while it is running you do kill -USR1 to the pid
[00:07] <ApocGoD> Would someone be so kind as to walk me through setting up an SMTP server on Ubuntu 12.04?
[00:07] <h00k> ApocGoD: #ubuntu-server might be a good place for assistance on that
[00:07] <aaron_samuel> so thats pretty much out of question unless you have a way of doing some sort volume based diff..
[00:07] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: what type of machine are you using?  Is it an old one, or something modern?
[00:07] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: well, i would like to downgrade the kernel of intrepid to the hardy kernel version
[00:07] <tugba_> aaron, yup i will keep that in mind
[00:07] <xangua> hristoasenov: intrepid is no logner supported
[00:07] <jagginess> creature, maybe it's because a Dbus mount policy is hooking to the device..
[00:07] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: afaik you didn't delete anything
[00:07] <BarkingFish> xangua: yes, I think he's got that now :P
[00:08] <aaron_samuel> if you did sda1 as if and of was sdb1 where sdb is the external.. the only thing you may have deleted is the stuff on the external if anything was there
[00:08] <creature> jagginess: I'll look at the dbus scripting. That might well be more what I want.
[00:08] <aaron_samuel> sda1 root the thing with windows installed would be fine
[00:08] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: no, it is pretty modern, intel i7 cpu
[00:08] <aaron_samuel> but anyway,, thats not a good way of backing something up
[00:08] <jagginess> creature, that stuff is still sort of evolving.. dbus/udev/hal ..
[00:09] <min|dvir|us> Hi. I'm having big problems. I can't use apt-get without it complaining about dependency issues. Then running `apt-get -f install` results in this: https://gist.github.com/2879002, after which nothing changes and future invocations return the same thing.
[00:09] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: but it can run in 32 bit mode as well
[00:09] <jagginess> creature, so the litterature may be kind of horrible for dbus..
[00:09] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: so why are you trying to install very old versions?
[00:09] <tugba_> aaron, hmm no windows is not wroking and that part of hard disk has some kind of back up data of external hdd
[00:09] <BarkingFish> is there something very specific you need in that kernel which doesn't appear anywhere in the newer ones?
[00:09] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: you need more info - what do you want said server to do? example postfix install will ask you how you want to run the mail server, locally, internet site, etc
[00:10] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: i need to install "Click Modular Router" and in order for the package to work, it provides patches to kernel versions up to 2.6.24.7
[00:10] <tugba_> ok guys thx for your help, time to install windows again i think
[00:11] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: so lets confirm some things - sda1 is your ORIGINAL windows partition? sdb1 is the EXTERNAL and expected DESTINATION of the backup? and your telling me you did if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 ? and your also telling me sda1 was affected?
[00:11] <min|dvir|us> Anyone?
[00:11] <tugba_> aaron, yup
[00:11] <tugba_> sdb1 is the external
[00:11] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: a lot of stuff which used to require external support in older versions, is most likely supported in newer ones.  Do you have the PID/VID or USBID of the device please?
[00:11] <aaron_samuel> you may want to make sure you know what partition is what....
[00:12] <BarkingFish> you may not even need a patch in the newer versions of Ubuntu
[00:12] <tugba_> fdisk -l
[00:12] <tugba_> i used
[00:12] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: so i was hoping to downgrade to 2.6.24 generic ubuntu version (hardy), then take that config and use it to install a vanilla version from kernel.org
[00:12]  * ekv sebe uvek pozdravlja y ogledalu .... laalalalala ja volim samo sebe ... llalalala jedinog sebe...
[00:12] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: your not telling me the complete story
[00:12] <jfroebe> jagginess / h00k - looks like I can do it via the dummy interface:  http://glonek.co.uk/tips-tricks/lxc-on-ubuntu-howto-tutorial/ :)
[00:13] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: next time your unsure of things ask first before doing
[00:13] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: the device is a network interface card, on my machine its a Intel X520-SR2 NIC
[00:13] <h00k> jfroebe: Cool :)
[00:13] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: do you have an old copy of fdisk -l?
[00:13] <frame45> ? is btrfs reccomended for Ubuntu 12.04
[00:14] <tugba_> aaron, no i am telling but for sure i am not an old linux user
[00:14] <jagginess> jfroebe, is that Ubuntu inside a VM ?
[00:14] <xangua> frame45: ext4 is recomended
[00:14] <jaimef> jfs
[00:14] <tugba_> aaron, i am now running testdisk
[00:14] <aaron_samuel> why?
[00:14] <jabberwalker> BarkingFish: here is what i am talking about http://tinypic.com/r/2i7qtjm/6 and http://tinypic.com/r/5soz/6
[00:14] <frame45> @xangua thanks
[00:14] <aaron_samuel> i think you need to understand better what you did.. what is testdisk going for you?
[00:14] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: could you go into a terminal and run lspci -nn please?  What I need is the 8 digit code at the end of the message for the particular device - it looks like [xxxx:xxxx
[00:14] <BarkingFish> sorry, [xxxx:xxxx]
[00:15] <jfroebe> jagginess - in this case, yes.  but any recent distro should work there provided the lxc template is set up correctly (which can be very painful btw)
[00:15] <tugba_> i am analyzing that partition for lost structure
[00:15] <BarkingFish> I want to check the vendor and production ID please, so I can see if the device is fully supported in newer systems
[00:15] <jagginess> tugba_, testdisk doesnt fix ntfs filesystem tables, it try to guess the partition table entries by scanning 'magic numbers'.. (magic numbers as 'id's left behind on sectors on the whole drive)
[00:16] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: gotcha, looking right now
[00:16] <aaron_samuel> again - understand what you have done tugba_
[00:16] <tugba_> jagginess, so nothing is left back
[00:16] <tugba_> aaron, yup ok got it
[00:16] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: please.. listen - do you have an old print out of the fdisk -l?
[00:17] <jagginess> jfroebe, that's a little bit of a waste of time.. if its' a VM, I thought you would of tried attaching VM interfaces instead of ethX:X of the kind
[00:17] <frame45> ? is using whole drive encryption w/ alternate installer a good idea?
[00:17] <tugba_> aaron, no why?
[00:17] <aaron_samuel> this is the MAIN thing you need right now before anything else - because i think you are confused on what was what
[00:17] <aaron_samuel> which is common
[00:18] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: 8086:10fb
[00:18] <jagginess> jfroebe, also since it's a VM, you should be able to change the MAC-address much more easily..
[00:18] <jagginess> jfroebe, whether internally of the VM or outside the VM in the VM's settings..
[00:18] <tugba_> i think you are telling me about if sda1 and of sdb1 are mixed but i do remember it
[00:18] <BarkingFish> thanks hristoasenov - looking now
[00:19] <jagginess> tugba_, make it simple. dd is not for you. like i said 10 minutes ago
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> yea but dd doesn't mix its self up
[00:19] <jagginess> tugba_, you dont know the big differences between fdisk and dd
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> if sda1 was windows and sdb1 was external - NO WAY did it over write your windows...
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> sorry.
[00:19] <h00k> if=inputfilleordevice of=outputfileordevice
[00:19] <tugba_> i do i think u did not understand me
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> exactly hook
[00:19] <tugba_> i know dd is for backing up
[00:19] <jfroebe> jagginess - well, lxc containers are more akin to chroot jails than to actual virtual machines..  the os kernel is shared between the host and the lxc containers
[00:19] <aaron_samuel> so considering that - tugba_ what your saying doesn't seem possible
[00:20] <tugba_> what i asked was how dd is acting when it starts to back up to the target drive
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: its NOT for backing up
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: it acts like its doing a bit for bit copy
[00:20] <Aleminio> hey guys, I installed ubuntu from a usb drive, when it finished installing it gave me GRUB2 installation error, and i wasn't able to install it on any partition so i chose the "install manually" option and restarted to load windows, now when i'm looking at the partitions manager, the new partition created for ubuntu installation is completely empty, as if nothing was installed. any ideas what
[00:20] <Aleminio> could have gone wrong?
[00:20] <tugba_> the answer is deletes the tables i think
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: NO
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> your wrong
[00:20] <jfroebe> jagginess - so it was just a matter of setting up a virtual nic - in this case with a nat'd address that I don't really care about
[00:20] <zhanger> tugba_ if you want backup you should use partimage or clonezilla or something
[00:20] <escott> Aleminio, can you please run and !paste to us "sudo parted -l"
[00:20] <tugba_> ok bit for bit copy is taking the image of it
[00:20] <tugba_> partimage
[00:20] <aaron_samuel> tugba_: somewhat.. yes
[00:20] <jagginess> tugba_, i already said, a harddrive is a linear device.. "linear".. like a ruler..
[00:21] <aaron_samuel> know its block based by default - it can take a block device partition or whole disk you were operating on partitions
[00:21] <jagginess> tugba_, dd streams things in a ruler fashion.. from a beginning point and end point.. an end point, is an end of disk or end of partition.
[00:21] <aaron_samuel> and like jagginess said disks are linear but writes/reads aren't so it's rather random what it did
[00:21] <tugba_> jagginess, that is why i can not get it back
[00:21] <jagginess> tugba_, if you dd a partition, it stops at the end of a partition, if you dd a whole drive, it ends at the end of the drive
[00:21] <aaron_samuel> so stopping it or cancelling really means nothing at all
[00:22] <Aleminio> escott, i can't since installation failed, i'm back in windows now
[00:22] <escott> Aleminio, boot the liveusb. we can't fix anything from windows
[00:22] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Sorry, was afk. I'd like to install postfix locally for use with my LAMPP server.
[00:22] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: by the looks of it, what you have there is an intel 10GB SPI/SFP Network card - it should work directly with drivers in the kernel of Ubuntu 10.04 through to the current versions
[00:22] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: so install it from repo its fairly easy choose the option local when it asks
[00:23] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ I tried setting it up via terminal but I ave no idea what to do there.
[00:23] <BarkingFish> *SFI/SFP
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: dont over complicate it
[00:23] <jabberwalker> can someone help me with this 12.04 desktop install? here is my partition  setup http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2i7qtjm&s=6 and this is what i get when i try to install http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5soz&s=6
[00:23] <tugba_> thnx all for your help
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: its an install and a question in a ncurses window
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> choose local
[00:23] <jagginess> np tugba_
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> done
[00:23] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ What is a repo?
[00:23] <aaron_samuel> once it is done - point your apps to localhost and the system users should automagically work
[00:24] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: thanks, but my question is will i be able to patch a kernel newer than 2.6.24.7?
[00:24] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: meaning just apt-get install it,, its not any where non standard or out of band with ubuntu package management
[00:24] <aaron_samuel> repo = repository..
[00:24] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, it's apt-get installed. What do I do now?
[00:25]  * aaron_samuel wonders if his keyboard works
[00:25] <pengwu> any body know about amdapp sdk opencl and llvm???
[00:25] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: if the patches are only up to 2.6.24.27, then probably not - you may find you can't build the patches on a newer kernel
[00:25] <Slimy> What is the Linux mint room ?
[00:25] <BarkingFish> then again, as I say, you may not need patches
[00:25] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: please scroll up and let me know if you still have any issues
[00:25] <BarkingFish> !mint | Slimy
[00:25] <Slimy> thanks
[00:25] <pengwu> i am using amdapp sdk 2.6 i want to know i use which version of llvm
[00:25] <ApocGoD> Aaron, it's apt-get installed.
[00:25] <BarkingFish> np, Slimy
[00:26] <ApocGoD> What do I do next?
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> I'm having big problems. I can't use apt-get without it complaining about dependency issues. Then running `apt-get -f install` results in this: https://gist.github.com/2879002, after which nothing changes and future invocations return the same thing.
[00:26] <aaron_samuel> madness
[00:26] <aaron_samuel> ill brb
[00:26] <jagginess> aaron_samuel, dd isnt random .. i think you misread what i typed.. I said there's more randomness when data is stored through a filesystem driver.. there is more structure on the filesystem tables(index/superblock what they call it)<< the filesystem tables is like a database(and is less random than the data storage)-- dd on the other hand just read/writes like a stream-- in ruler fashion..
[00:26] <Corin12355> dentify killing12345
[00:26] <Corin12355> herp
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> Wow.
[00:26] <zhanger> lol
[00:26] <zhanger> lol'd
[00:26] <Corin12355> That's.
[00:26] <Corin12355> Magic
[00:26] <min|dvir|us> I'm so glad I witnessed that.
[00:27] <Corin12355> welp, it's only my IRC password
[00:27] <min|dvir|us> Sure it is.
[00:27] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: well, the patches are to modify the functionality of the actual device to not do what it was originally designed to do, so it is not something that would be included in the main current version of the kernel
[00:27] <min|dvir|us> Oh, sweet, it's also your root password.
[00:27] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: you probably just need to dpkg-reconfigure it, im absolutely sure it already presented you the screen i mentioned and you probably selected the default option if it IS indeed installed
[00:28] <BarkingFish> Corin12355: please, never ever identify in an open channel - use your connect window or identify automatically from within your client's preferences or settings
[00:28] <Corin12355> Yeah, I know
[00:28] <Corin12355> I forgot I was joining
[00:28] <Corin12355> ---
[00:28] <BarkingFish> the best way is to autoidentify, or failing that - do it before you join a channel :)
[00:28] <Corin12355> Yeah yeah...
[00:28] <BarkingFish> you might want to go change your password, like now :)
[00:28] <min|dvir|us> It's still on my screen in all its glory.
[00:29] <hristoasenov> so, i am guessing short of me trying to figure out how the patch translates to a current kernel, the only way for me would be go ahead and try and run the old kernel
[00:29] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, reinstalling it now.
[00:29] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[00:29] <aaron_samuel> ugh... you really dont need to do that.
[00:29] <hristoasenov> so, that is really why i would like to downgrade to hardy heron
[00:29] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: you may be able to get an old ISO of ubuntu, but remember that we don't support it anymore, so if stuff goes wrong - you're on your own :)
[00:29] <aaron_samuel> its not windows =)
[00:29] <min|dvir|us> I'm having big problems. I can't use apt-get without it complaining about dependency issues. Then running `apt-get -f install` results in this: https://gist.github.com/2879002, after which nothing changes and future invocations return the same thing.
[00:30] <BarkingFish> Can someone enlighten me quickly - which is the last version of Ubuntu to go EOL?
[00:30] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, do I want the internet configuration? I host my own website through LAMPP and I want to use it to send SMTP mail to my users.
[00:30] <BarkingFish> I know 12.04 is an LTS, 10.04 was an LTS - are the intermediates dead now?
[00:31] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: libc6 nice... good luck.
[00:31] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: yeah, the only version i was able to get running was intrepid, however that is 8.10, one version before 8.04, the version i needed
[00:31] <aaron_samuel> zykotick9: i was thinking the same..
[00:31] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, that's helpful.
[00:31] <aaron_samuel> min|dvir|us: what is your OS and how come you installed the lenny kernel?
[00:31] <BarkingFish> what happened when you tried to install 8.04?
[00:31] <min|dvir|us> aaron_samuel, Ubuntu 11.10 on a VPS.
[00:31] <aaron_samuel> there was an error running a subprocess in that install process and it's stuck
[00:31] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: so, if it possible, i would like to downgrade the kernel only, keeping everything else intrepid
[00:32] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: it dropped me to busy box
[00:32] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: are you mixing ubuntu and debian?  why does it mention lenny?
[00:32] <BarkingFish> hristoasenov: I don't think that's possible.
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, I am not.
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> I actually don't believe I have a package for a kernel installed.
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> I think it came with the system.
[00:32] <BarkingFish> you might want to seek others advice on this, I'm very uneducated on kernels and stuff, I just use what came with it
[00:32] <min|dvir|us> Probably some custom shit.
[00:32] <aaron_samuel> min|dvir|us:   apt-get install -t lenny linux-image-2.6
[00:32] <BarkingFish> min|dvir|us: mind the language please :)
[00:33] <motherbrain> I have to ask what is the difference in ubuntus kernels to the regular linux opensource kernels you can get on kernel.org site is there much difference in the code and if so is ubuntus kernels opensource as well
[00:33] <aaron_samuel> thats in your postie
[00:33] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: what kernel version?  "uname -r"
[00:33] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, 2.6.18-308.el5.028stab099.3
[00:33] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: WARNING: this version of the GNU libc requires kernel version
[00:33] <aaron_samuel> umm thats not an ubuntu kernel
[00:33] <zykotick9> 2.6.24 or later
[00:33] <hristoasenov> BarkingFish: okay thanks for the help, i appreciate it
[00:33] <min|dvir|us> zykotick9, is it possible to downgrade libc6?
[00:33] <BarkingFish> you're welcome
[00:34] <zykotick9> min|dvir|us: i wouldn't know the details.  but my gut says "no way".
[00:34] <aaron_samuel> thats an interesting kernel line for an 'ubuntu' system - i thought el was for redhat and it's family
[00:34] <ApocGoD> Aaron_samuel, it's reconfigured. What should I do next?
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: its not configured to send mail to your domain - you need to read up on postfix thats way out of scope
[00:35] <ApocGoD> I think it's done correctly.
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> its not hard at all though
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: its a generic configuration
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: question your users are on a domain?
[00:35] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok. What would you suggest getting to do that?
[00:35] <aaron_samuel> a man page and some time
[00:36] <motherbrain> does anybody know the difference between ubuntus kernel and the regular linux kernels versions from kernel.org...is ubuntu just built by taking the linux kernel and gnu programs and making a distro/iso of them... or does ubuntu actually customize the linux kernel thus making it into a different kernel somewhat ... anybody know and if they modify the kernel is this modification open sources
[00:36] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ I own pepperaddicts.com, they travel to that to get to the site.
[00:36] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: that domain doesn't have an mx record...
[00:36] <aaron_samuel> it wont send mail without one
[00:37] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Oh. How do I get one?
[00:37] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: work with your DNS provider
[00:37] <aaron_samuel> Register.com
[00:38] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, I use Register.com already.
[00:38] <aaron_samuel> i know...
[00:38] <ApocGoD> Ok
[00:38] <cinix1618> I am running my laptop on Ubuntu 12.04 on my Thinkpad Z60m. It has a radeon mobile x600 with the radeon driver installed. I am trying to hook a projector up to my VGA port and it must not have EDID data because it's comming back with a ton of errors like, "invalid checksum on EDID". There's no xorg.conf to add options, but I attempted to use a skeleton xorg and the only option I added was "ignoreedid" "on". This didn't help, can anyo
[00:38] <cinix1618> ne give me a hint on something else to try?
[00:38] <BarkingFish> right guys, I'm out for the night. Been fun, catch you later.
[00:39] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: once you setup the MX it should be working fine - by default most MTA's break the mail address in to into tokens of which the domain is taken and a mx record is asked for and mail is sent to the record(s) returned
[00:39] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: now that is for _sending_ not receiving...
[00:40] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Ok, thanks.
[00:40] <escott> motherbrain, yes they patch it. almost all the major distros patch their kernels in some way
[00:41] <Halfcrazy> #k7iq
[00:41] <aaron_samuel> sure.
[00:42] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ Contacting Register.com now about how to set up an MX.
[00:42] <aleminio> hey guys, i need a little help installing grub2 after it manually failed, i'm on livecd now .
[00:43] <aaron_samuel> great - fyi they most likely give you a portal (website) that you can do it self-service with if they are any type of good hosting service
[00:43] <aleminio> after it failed while installing* now trying to install manually
[00:43] <zhanger> aleminio: see man grub-install
[00:43] <aleminio> tried that
[00:43] <ApocGoD> Mkay
[00:44] <EDawg878> After doing sudo apt-get upgrade it seems somthing is wrong with my nvidia driver when I type: glxinfo | grep direct i get:   direct rendering: No
[00:44] <aaron_samuel> ApocGoD: alternatively - im surprised i didn't think of this before - you can use google apps to host your domains mail also... but i wont get into that - it's easy to do - and ironically enough you can google it
[00:44] <zhanger> aleminio: make sure you specify --root-directory correctly and use the device name w/o a number to install to MBR
[00:44] <aaron_samuel> thats good for send and receive
[00:44] <motherbrain> patching it means what modifying the code in alot of places or some type of services pack thing and if modified is that source open source of that kernel patch?
[00:45] <escott> aleminio, what is the output of "sudo parted -l"
[00:45] <aaron_samuel> then you can just run a forwarder on the application box that shoots mail out to gmail using your domain account to whatver users
[00:45] <ApocGoD> aaron_samuel@ I'll hceck that out
[00:45] <motherbrain> ON a totally different note I have in the passed forwarded email address, call forwarding for phones ,...etc but I am wondering thru a gmail , yahoo or any other IM / text message service is there away to forward you IM conversation in real time as well as forward textmessages automatically
[00:45] <motherbrain> I know in theory this could be done by saving IM conversations and emailing them over / forwarding them via email... As well as people could in theory write there own provided they had the functions to retrive an email conversation and open a socket to the next email/im account with the correct protocal in places
[00:46] <aleminio> escott, many different partitions, one for the swap and the new one created for the installation with a file-system ext3
[00:46] <aleminio> no flags
[00:46] <motherbrain> though I don't know if they allow this yet because of a privacy issue yet
[00:46] <rage_311> I'm having issues with trying to set up a 12.04 LTSP client from a 10.04.3 server.  Currently getting "Could not find kernel image: vmlinuz".  Can anybody offer some direction?
[00:46] <escott> !paste | aleminio
[00:48] <Erealz> snort ,and tripwire are ids are there any more for linux and what would the pro use on client systems?
[00:50]  * Erealz snort ,and tripwire are ids are there any more for linux and what would the pro use on client systems?
[00:53] <aleminio_> sry had to register, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026036/plain/
[00:54] <Qasaur> Is it possible to set up full disk encryption on an already installed ubuntu installation or do I have to reformat everything?
[00:54] <ex0a> I did a minimal disk install from usb since my dvd drive cant be booted, only loaded after due to bios and raid. Can i 9nterrupt the long part of package download and the do the rest from cd?
[00:55] <ex0a> Or does it not install the base system before downloading the desktop?
[00:56] <Haji> Exoa, i don't play it before, but maybe possible
[00:56] <KRomo> i need major help with a slow boot up anyone ave time to look ata pastebin?
[00:57] <KRomo> http://pastebin.com/dUJJpnE8    <--- please help me fix my slow boot
[00:58] <ex0a> I'm going to try it.. worst case is a 5 min reinstall
[00:58] <Haji> Ex0a, that was not a much time..
[00:59] <negroarg> olaa
[00:59] <negroarg> olaaaaaaaaaa
[00:59] <ex0a> 5 mins minimal install download
[01:00] <negroarg> alguien me da una mano
[01:00] <ex0a> 2 hours full desktop download
[01:00] <MonkeyDust> !es
[01:00] <Haji> Ex0a, oh :d
[01:00] <KRomo> anyone able to look a the paste bin?  id greatly appreciate guidance
[01:01] <ex0a> that's why I want to add the cd as a repo
[01:01] <sacarlson> KRomo: does it boot slow more than one time?
[01:01] <negroarg> alguien me da una mano
[01:01] <negroarg> ty
[01:01] <KRomo> yes
[01:01] <KRomo> every time
[01:01] <KRomo> once im booted im golden
[01:01] <KRomo> it sits on a blabk purple screen
[01:03] <sacarlson> KRomo: lets take a look at the file /etc/fstab  pastebinit
[01:03] <SetiAmon> hey anyone here know why in gnome when i open firefox it switches to my secondary monitor always?
[01:04] <KRomo> fstab: http://pastebin.com/aRBGfYuF sacarlson
[01:06] <KRomo> i added noatime,nodiratime,discard,
[01:06] <KRomo> i read that it was best for ssd
[01:06] <sacarlson> KRomo: what's the output of  blkid ?
[01:06] <escott> Qasaur, reinstall
[01:06] <Qasaur> hmok
[01:06] <Qasaur> hm ok*
[01:06] <cheako> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1007089/comments/40  Can any one running the latest upstream/mainlike kernel test this out and report?
[01:06] <KRomo> sacarlson, how do i see that?
[01:07] <KRomo> im a bit newbish
[01:07] <sacarlson> KRomo: type  blkid at the term
[01:07] <cheako> s/mainlike/mainline/
[01:07] <KRomo> let me pastebin
[01:08] <KRomo> http://pastebin.com/0qepiiE5
[01:09] <KRomo> idk what sda5 is
[01:09] <KRomo> i only have 2 hd, a sata ssd and a sata hdd
[01:09] <KRomo> sdb1 is the hdd and sda1 is the ssd
[01:10] <KRomo> or is sda5 the ram?
[01:10] <ClientAlive> does anyone know how to set a nameserver in ubuntu 12.04 server 64 bit? /etc/resolv.conf says right in it "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND - YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN"
[01:10] <sacarlson> KRomo: I'm not sure, I don't see anything wrong, maybe it's a power up thing takes time for some device to start?
[01:11] <KRomo> i get this over and over again on the bootlog: udevd[404]: timeout: killing 'udisks-probe-ata-smart /dev/sda' [780]
[01:11] <KRomo> is that ok?
[01:11] <cheako> KRomo: The naming convention is hdXY where X is the 'drive letter' and Y is the partition number.
[01:12] <cheako> KRomo: hdX is just a raw drive starting at the MBR.
[01:12] <cheako> KRomo: ... sdXY is the same ;)
[01:12] <cheako> Sorry for going old school there.
[01:12] <KRomo> oh
[01:12] <KRomo> so, sd5 is my secondary storage drive
[01:12] <KRomo> do i want the swap on that?
[01:12] <KRomo> or should i not have a swap?
[01:13] <cheako> KRomo: sd5 dosn't exist, it's not a valid drive/partition name.
[01:13] <question_> Hello everone
[01:13] <KRomo> sorry sda5
[01:13] <cheako> sda5 is the fifth partition on the first drive.
[01:13] <KRomo> oh
[01:13] <SetiAmon> anyone have a issue with 12.04 randomly freezing requiring a cold boot?
[01:14] <KRomo> i have 8gb ram, should i have a swap partition?
[01:14] <sacarlson> KRomo: looks like this kernel bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/910999
[01:14] <question_> I need some help for screen, interested in helping ? :)
[01:14] <sacarlson> KRomo: try another version of kernel
[01:15] <KRomo> like 3.4?
[01:15] <cheako> KRomo: That's a good question.  http://lnkd.in/nMkUb9
[01:15] <sacarlson> KRomo: looks like a new problem so maybe go back to an older kernel
[01:16] <KRomo>  0 M used swap
[01:16] <cheako> KRomo: I'm staying with the old rules, your swap should be twice the size of your ram...  if that eats too much drive space then you have too much ram.
[01:16] <reisio> that isn't an old rule, it's an ancient rule
[01:17] <KRomo> i think im too newby to downgrade the kernel...any guidance?
[01:17] <reisio> KRomo: seppuku
[01:17] <cheako> reisio: There aren't any rules that replace or superseded it :)
[01:17] <sacarlson> KRomo: installing a kernel is much the same as install any other package
[01:17] <reisio> cheako: sure there is: no more than equal to RAM
[01:17] <rhombsdoc> if i disable to start the lightdm loginmanager, while having my /home crypted, can i still login afterwards from console and start x manually with "startx"?
[01:17] <reisio> this rule dates back to the days of 2GB boxes
[01:18] <reisio> new dirt cheap boxes come with 3 & 4GB now
[01:18] <h00k> Kornkage4: you can pick a previous kernels you already have installed by holding left-shift when you boot, will get you to the GRUB2 menu, and you can select 'older versions' or something like that from there
[01:18] <rhombsdoc> or does lightdm start the encryption?
[01:18] <cheako> reisio: First I've heard of this rule, though I'm sure it's a popular choice.
[01:18] <h00k> KRomo: my above message was for you, apologies to Kornkage4
[01:19] <OY1R> 3-4 10 or 20Gb of RAM can be great, BUT if the OS utilizing the memory sucks it does not matter it seems.
[01:19] <reisio> swap equal to ram can be useful for hibernation
[01:19] <cheako> reisio: I think we may need you to join into the discussion about how much swap to use.
[01:19] <reisio> outside of that, with modern amount of RAM, you might not even need it, strictly
[01:19] <reisio> though it's always useful
[01:19] <reisio> I thought I had :p
[01:19] <cheako> reisio: haha, not if your swap is not empty when you want to hibernate :P
[01:20] <reisio> I don't believe that is an issue
[01:20] <cheako> ...Though I'm sure in most cases that will work just fine as cache wouldn't get swapped out.
[01:20] <sacarlson> KRomo: a swap drive is optional in your case it might be used to go from hybernate or standby to powerup.
[01:20] <question_> ok, if I'm using screen, and separating two screens then its mirroring all, an ctrl-a + shift-n doesnt work
[01:20] <KRomo> so,  does everone tink a kernel downgrade will help me or not likely?
[01:21] <klakin> Hey guys. Do accesses to google.com suddenly redirect to google.com.hk? I've verified tha tthis happens on my two Kubuntu 12.04 machines, but not on my Gentoo Linux machine, and not on my Windows machine. They all are operating on the same LAN.
[01:21] <ClientAlive> god this networking thing with kvm is a friggin' nightmare! Even if I revert to the original /etc/network/interfaces file br0 still shows up after when I do a ifconfig. And vice versa if I configure for bridged networking (the default virb0 still shows up. Als I want is for two things to work right - bridged networking and a shared storage space with nfs.
[01:21] <reisio> klakin: are you in HK?
[01:21] <cheako> reisio: Swap in use will count against the amount of memory that can be paged for hibernation.  It can be an issue, though I can see it only being an issue in rare cases.
[01:21] <ClientAlive> untold hell I've gone through with this and still...
[01:21] <sacarlson> KRomo: did it have that problem when you booted from the cd or usb?
[01:21] <klakin> reisio, I am not. In San francisco
[01:22] <reisio> cheako: incredibly rare would be my guess
[01:22] <KRomo> no it didnt
[01:23] <cheako> reisio: The pool on the page I posted suggest about 20%, I don't consider that incredibly rare.  Should some percentage of ppl who posted wouldn't be using 1xram for there swap size so that's why we arn't seeing reports all the time.
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <cheako> s/Should/Sure/
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <garodimb> can anyone please help me to install wvdial?
[01:24] <FloodBot1> garodimb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:25] <Blackshirt> Garodimb, are you connected to internet on ?
[01:25] <garodimb> yes
[01:25] <cheako> That pool suggests that if every one folloed ther 1xram rule and hibernated there would be a non-trivial number of bug reports.
[01:26] <cheako> Thus I think the 1xram rule to allow for hibernation is flat out wrong to propagate to a large number of users....  It's vary likely to cause headaches later on.
[01:26] <sacarlson> KRomo: well then maybe the kernel version used in the cd/usb boot would be better
[01:26] <garodimb> when i run sudo apt-get install wvdial then it gave me error that it requires 12.o4 ubuntu dvd
[01:27] <sacarlson> KRomo: the cd boot linux version is many times an older version than what then end up installing
[01:27] <cheako> Out of 286 you gave that advice to, about 30 of them would at some point in the first few week, I'd guess, would experience an issue.
[01:28] <sacarlson> KRomo: boot one of your cd/usb and do the command uname -a ;  to find out
[01:28] <kerrick> Am I connected?
[01:29] <h00k> kerrick: you appear to be
[01:29] <kerrick> Huzzah! I'm trying out IRSSI for the first time. Not used to CLI apps.
[01:29] <h00k> KerrickLong: apparent success :)
[01:29] <KerrickLong> Since I discovered GNU Screen, I decided to give CLI apps another try. :-)
[01:30] <ClientAlive> guess I'm on my own...
[01:30] <Eclife> Need some help --> touchpad and keyboard frozen in lightdm
[01:30] <jmacgowan> irssi is fun (:
[01:30] <jmacgowan> It
[01:30] <bt-Crash> What is CLI Commands or Apps? Thanks!
[01:30] <KerrickLong> bt-Crash, CLI means Command Line Interface. Apps are applications, or programs.
[01:30] <jmacgowan> It's even not too bad with connectbot which I thought would be terrible
[01:30] <sacarlson> KRomo: you can also look in synaptic search for linux-image to see what versions of linux are available to install
[01:30] <question_> I want to use screen too T.T but its mirroring all when using separate screens
[01:31] <bt-Crash> Great Keeriklong!!!!
[01:31] <KerrickLong> question_ That confused me too. You have to hit Ctrl+A then c to create a new non-mirrored screen.
[01:31] <bt-Crash> already apps for chat with terminal on linux?
[01:31] <question_> I did
[01:31] <KerrickLong> bt-Crash Yes, the app I'm using to chat on IRC is irssi.
[01:32] <question_> so I've two separate screens mirrorinf
[01:32] <xangua1> !info finch | bt-Crash
[01:32] <KerrickLong> Finch is the most amazing example of a command line application I've ever seen.
[01:32] <KRomo> there are lots of linux-image kernels
[01:33] <bt-Crash> Kerriklong IRSSI have web page?... or i can install with command in backtrack?
[01:33] <XiRoN> Hey guys I have an SSH server and an FTP server
[01:33] <Eclife> Need some help --> touchpad and keyboard is frozen in lightdm
[01:33] <KerrickLong> I don't know if IRSSI has a website, but they're in the ubuntu repositories as "irssi"
[01:33] <cprofitt> XiRoN: what do you need help with?
[01:34] <bt-Crash> Thanks!!!!!
[01:34] <XiRoN> I want to transfer, files from my FTP server to my SSH server, is there ay way of doing it without downloading the files to my computer first?
[01:34] <cprofitt> XiRoN: I assume you can log on to your FTP server?
[01:34] <Demosthenes> so i have a lucid server, i'm trying to use the BIOS serial over LAN support, but I must disable ALL the font/mode setting... grub's console setting isn't enough. suggestions?
[01:34] <XiRoN> cprofitt: Yes.
[01:34] <bt-Crash> sorry for my bad english guys, i am from Argentina, and is very necesary write and talk english =D
[01:35] <KerrickLong> You're doing pretty well, bt-Crash! :-)
[01:35] <Eclife> Anyone out there have some time to help with a problem?
[01:35] <cprofitt> XiRoN: you should be able to use this document to complete your task
[01:35] <KerrickLong> Eclife I have the time, but probably not the knowledge.
[01:35] <cprofitt> XiRoN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles
[01:36] <sacarlson> XiRoN: you could setup an ntfs mount so the files are available for the ssh or ftp but I'm not sure that would be a good idea
[01:36] <XiRoN> Thanks bob
[01:36] <sacarlson> nfs
[01:36] <XiRoN> cprofitt: Limitation: You can't move files between two remote computers. Either the source or destination must be a local file. However, if you log in to a remote machine with ssh, you can copy files between two remote machines on that machine's command-line.
[01:36] <cheako> does any one here run the KernelMainlineBuilds?  ^^^
[01:37] <cprofitt> XiRoN: once you are logged in to your FTP server you should be able to initiate the scp transfer from it
[01:37] <cprofitt> XiRoN: exactly
[01:37] <cprofitt> XiRoN: you can also do entire folders
[01:38] <cprofitt> XiRoN: scp -r (recursive) username@server:(remote location) (local location)
[01:38] <Eclife> Need help --> touchpad and keyboard frozen in lightdm
[01:38] <cheako> Is there any one willing to confirm this bug?
[01:38] <XiRoN> cprofitt: I'm using a GUI :(
[01:38] <rage_311> anyone an LTSP pro?... having troubles trying to boot/build 12.04 clients from a 10.04 server.
[01:38] <ProstheticS> hey guys, is there an issue if im running a filesystem directly on a disk, IE, no partition, looking in palimpsest, i have one of my disks where the filesystem is /dev/sdd instead of /dev/sdd1 , i dont plan on ever parititioning the disk
[01:38] <ProstheticS> or booting from it
[01:38] <question_> Need help, programm screen is mirroring all
[01:38] <cprofitt> XiRoN: do you have a GUI on your FTP server?
[01:39] <cheako> I wrote a small shell script that tests for a kernel bug I found.  If you are able to verify for your self that the code is safe and not a trojan I'd like one or two others to give it a go.
[01:39] <XiRoN> cprofitt: No
[01:39] <cprofitt> XiRoN: I would use the command line then
[01:39] <ProstheticS> just want to know if its fine that i have it that way, or if i need to correct it?
[01:39] <cprofitt> XiRoN: unless your GUI will give you a command line
[01:39] <jiffe1> there an easy way to make mass edits like adding ssl certs, loopback ips and service config changes to a large number of similarly configured machines?
[01:40] <cheako> http://pastebin.com/LSvvpVJC
[01:40] <theseb> anyone backing up to ubuntu one?
[01:40] <theseb> deja dup doesn't work so wondered what you used
[01:40] <question_> XiRoN: log on ssh server, go to the place, where you want to dump your data from ftp-server make wget -r -np ftp://xyz.de/path -o user=xyz password=xyz
[01:41] <Eclife> Anyone out there have some time to help with a problem?
[01:41] <sacarlson> jiffe1: you could write a script to do all the changes over ssh
[01:41] <asmom> Is it normal that i'm waiting 215 minutes for ubuntu to load for the first time after the installation? the dots are moving but i'm afraid something went wrong
[01:41] <asmom> 15 minutes*
[01:41] <jagginess> Eclife, you mean like what's the meaning of life?
[01:41] <xangua1> asmom: it's not
[01:41] <cprofitt> asmom: that is not normal -- what video card?
[01:41] <jagginess> Eclife, btw fyi, the meaning of life is 42.
[01:42] <question_> asnom: no, normally it shoul start under a minute
[01:42] <asmom> onboard video card. i guess i'll try to reload
[01:42] <Eclife> jagginess, already new the meaning of life. Now I have harder problems to solve
[01:42] <cprofitt> 42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything
[01:42] <theseb> Eclife: don't tap dance around your question for 15 minutes...just ask it
[01:42] <Eclife> jagginess, wanna take a stab at it?
[01:43] <question_> asnom: ^^ go for it.
[01:43] <Eclife> touchpad and keyboard are frozen once in lightdm
[01:43] <jagginess> Eclife, stab? that's kinda cruel i'm afraid. maybe one of can take a jab though
[01:43] <piecemkr> hello everyone
[01:43] <jagginess> Eclife, once in lightdm? that's the logon screen
[01:44] <jagginess> Eclife, you mean logon screen or "logging on"
[01:44] <jagginess> (logging on, as you typed your password<enter>)
[01:44] <question_> piecemkr: hello, do you know screen?
[01:45] <jagginess> Eclife, btw, very few people know what lightdm is (it was implemente 11.10+ and up)
[01:45] <Eclife> Jagginess, yes. Once I am in the login screen. I have tried auto login as well with the same result
[01:45] <jagginess> Eclife, what about plain-text logon?
[01:45] <Eclife> jagginess, dunno? how do you do that?
[01:46] <jagginess> Eclife, did you try to ssh, and "stop lightdm"? (then try logging on plaintext?)
[01:46] <sacarlson> XiRoN: with nfs mounted file system the files would always be synced as they come from the same location http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nfs-server-and-client-configuration-in-ubuntu.html
[01:46] <jagginess> Eclife, if you can logon plaintext then somewhere there's a problem with X
[01:46] <jagginess> (when i mean plaintext, i mean non-ssh way)
[01:46] <Eclife> Jagginess, I am not an expert. How would you login with plain text?
[01:47] <jagginess> Eclife, well you can't ?(or can you).. if ctl-alt-f1 doesnt work, then try ssh to stop lightdm
[01:47] <question_> is here someone with experience with "screen"?
[01:47] <jagginess> Eclife, stopping lightdm may free the keyboard
[01:47] <OerHeks> jagginess, then SSH service should be enabled first.
[01:48] <jagginess> question_, screen the multiplexer?
[01:48] <question_> yeah
[01:48] <Eclife> Jagginess, give me a minute to try
[01:48] <jagginess> Eclife, i blieve ssh is a default service (likely installed if not, then you'll need to boot into runlevel1 )
[01:49] <jagginess> question_, i always use 'screen -RR' for re-attachment
[01:49] <jagginess> question_, and "    ctl-a ?  "  to list shortcuts
[01:49] <question_> jagginess: the multiplexer-programm, I separated two screens, but theyre mirroring all also after initialising a new session and pressing ctrl-a ctrl-n
[01:50] <jagginess> question_, ctl-a ?  "
[01:50] <jagginess> question_, "  ctl-a ?  " gives descriptions of other things too..
[01:50] <question_> jagginess: ctrl-a says "no other window"
[01:50] <Eclife> Jagginess, ctrl-alt-f1 does not work
[01:50] <jagginess> question_, you type "ctl-a" then you type "?"  (dont type the quotes)
[01:51] <pilotbub> hey guys whats the timeframe on delirious dungbeetle
[01:51] <question_> jagginess: ctrl-c for new session
[01:51] <jagginess> question_, pm me..
[01:51] <question_> jagginess: pm? I'm doing irc in chrome ...
[01:51] <sirriffsalot> I just copied my entire home folder from another partition to local /home/ via terminal and now when I login I'm immediately prompted back to login screen, haha! What's going on?!
[01:51] <jagginess> question_, you let go of all the keys after you do "ctl-a"  --- once you let go of all those two keys then you hit a character key
[01:52] <jagginess> question_, it's "ctl-a" (then let go of everything), then tap the "n" key, to go to next terminal.. -- personally it's easier to use "ctl-a <spacebar>" to cycle through terminals
[01:53] <jagginess> question_, so for new session, it's "ctl-a" then let go of all keys, then tap the "c" key
[01:53] <question_> jagginess: this works so I've a new session
[01:54] <XiRoN> I want to transfer a whole folder from and external FTP server to my SSH server using only 1 SSH command.
[01:54] <question_> jagginess: but if I'm typing something it'll be mirrored in the other separation
[01:54] <doc969> hi i'm having trouble installing java. Can anyone help?
[01:54] <Eclife> Need Help --> touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen
[01:55] <jagginess> question_, no.. it means you've cycled to the same terminal
[01:55] <bazhang> !java | doc969 have a read
[01:55] <jagginess> question_, you cycle using "ctl-a" "space"
[01:56] <derek__> Anyone had a successful web-upgrade from 11.10  to 12.04?
[01:56] <doc969> so, ubottu, with one of the 3 runtime environments java will work?
[01:56] <jagginess> question_, "?" is a literal..it's like this-> type "ctl-a" then type "?" (hold the shift key down to get to the ?-- get the literal)
[01:56] <pilotbub> im trying to downgrade to delirious dungbeetle with little success
[01:57] <bazhang> doc969, did you read the link?
[01:57] <Eclife> Anyone out there have some time to help with a problem
[01:57] <bazhang> pilotbub, stop it now
[01:57] <jagginess> Eclife, do you know how to edit the grub bootline dynamically?
[01:57] <jagginess> Eclife, that's one way to get into rescue
[01:57] <bazhang> derek__, whats the real question
[01:57] <jagginess> Eclife, the grub menu says you can hit 'e'..
[01:57] <Eclife> jagginess, no I don't
[01:58] <question_> jagginess: thanks
[01:58] <sacarlson> XiRoN: scp -r user@192.168.1.100:/home/remote_user/Desktop/files /home/me/Desktop/.
[01:58] <derek__> bazhang, I was just wondering if I should attempt a web update or wait till I'm done with school and do a fresh install
[01:58] <arejay> can anyone tell me why this isnt workin in fstab UUID=72D3AF913D705491 /media/ntfs ntfs-3g rw,auto, uid=1000, umask=0027, nls=utf8 0 0
[01:58] <arejay> mount: can't find /media/ntfs in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:58] <jagginess> Eclife, well before hitting "enter" on the grub menu, hit 'e', then add " 1" (without quotes at the end of the "kernel XXXX XXXX XX quiet ") to the kernel bootline, after that hit F10 to boot
[01:58] <arejay> the uuid is correct
[01:59] <bazhang> derek__, updating online works fine. your choice.
[01:59] <Sabrina> h
[01:59] <Sabrina> hola
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> arejay:  you did make the /media/ntfs directory first?
[01:59] <bazhang> arejay, confirm it with sudo blkid
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> arejay:  the ntfs-3g homepage has examples also
[01:59] <Sabrina> alguien tiene un video converter
[01:59] <jagginess> Eclife, then you can work in terminal after typing in the root password.. this will be plaintext
[01:59] <arejay> bazhang: yes i used blkid to get the uuid
[01:59] <bazhang> !es | Sabrina
[01:59] <arejay> Dr_Willis: yes the dir exist
[01:59] <bazhang> Sabrina, handbrake to convert videos
[01:59] <arejay> rj@cube:~$ ls -al /media/ntfs
[01:59] <arejay> total 8
[02:00] <bazhang> !handbrake | Sabrina
[02:00] <jagginess> arejay, blkid<enter> should show if you have that UUID for ntfs.
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> arista is also nice for video covnersions.
[02:00] <derek__> bazhang, thanks
[02:00] <jagginess> arejay, or ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> !info arista
[02:00] <Sabrina> como cambiar canal
[02:00] <zykotick9> nice !handbrake factoid?  bazhang thanks.
[02:00] <arejay> dev/sdb1: UUID="72D3AF913D705491" TYPE="ntfs"
[02:00] <Eclife> jagginess, I don't know if this makes a difference, but Ubuntu loads perfectly once every third try
[02:00] <bazhang> Sabrina, /join #ubuntu-es
[02:01] <bazhang> zykotick9, better to get it from jstebbins PPA though, thats what the handbrake themselves recommend
[02:01] <bazhang> +developers
[02:02] <unknown-01903254> hi
[02:02] <piecemkr> hi
[02:02] <unknown-01903254> will avidemux and vlc performs better if i switch from a 32bit os to a 64bit one?
[02:02] <bazhang> unknown-01903254, not really no
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> unknown-01903254:  id saw  a little  time mightbe saved in transcoding.  but it may not be noticeable.
[02:03] <pilotbub> bazhang so no timeframe
[02:03] <bazhang> unknown-01903254, looks like you re running debian, but not much for ubuntu either
[02:03] <datruth> Is there an error in grub where it detects non-bootable drives and adds them to the list?
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> dependiong on how optmized the encoder apps are.  VLC. wont really notice much differanace unless youa re doing some fancy things
[02:04] <bazhang> pilotbub, chit chat/nonsense is not here: #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[02:04] <pilotbub> ANTISEMITISM
[02:04] <unknown-01903254> bazhang: the problem is: i 've just understand that my pc (an *amd* ) is 64bit. I always used it with 32bit os ... but 64bit os version usually use a kernel named *amd64* o.O what will be the best choice?
[02:04] <arejay> whats the name of the built in data backup tool
[02:05] <h00k> arejay: deja dup
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> unknown-01903254:  if the systgem is 32bit now. not worth changeing. but next time - you may wan tto go 64bit
[02:05] <arejay> thanks h00k
[02:05] <Eclife> jagginess, I don't know if this helps, but Ubuntu starts up fine every third try
[02:05] <xangua1> unknown-01903254: amd64 it's just a generic name for 64bit
[02:05] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: if you have less then 4GB ram don't bother with 64bit.  if you have more, use 64bit for sure.
[02:05] <unknown-01903254> xangua1: yes, i know. but my pc is *also* an amd
[02:06] <question_> jagginess: its mirroring every char in the other screen
[02:06] <unknown-01903254> zykotick9: also if my processor is *amd* ?
[02:06] <datruth> Also how can I customize my grub menu?
[02:06] <cheako> http://pastebin.com/LSvvpVJC I wrote a small shell script that tests for a kernel bug I found in overlayfs.  If you are able to verify for your self that the code is safe and not a trojan I'd like one or two others to give it a go.
[02:06]  * zykotick9 runs 64bit on his eeepc with 1gb ram... do as i say, not as i do
[02:06] <Sabrina> who know a video converter deb. 3gp and mp4 you have is for my phone
[02:06] <h00k> !grub2 | datruth
[02:07] <bazhang> Sabrina, I told you.  handbrake
[02:07]  * zykotick9 runs i686 on his htpc/gaming system
[02:08] <cheako> bazhang: The few times I used handbrake it was a great converter...  However the output never loaded on my device even though it was in the correct format.
[02:08] <sgtsaughter> anyone know of a solution for very slow wireless internet running ubuntu 12.04?  I just installed it on my desktop and I've noticed a decrease in speed that has been going on for over a week.  Seedtest says im getting something like a 1mb/s upload speed I have ruled out that it is my router
[02:08] <xster> need some hints setting up surround sound on 12.04 plz
[02:08] <zykotick9> cheako: handbrake - both cli and gtk - are amazing IMO
[02:08] <smcguinness> I'm attempting to download the windows installer for the latest Ubuntu but I'm getting a redirect to the download page...can anyone confirm?
[02:09] <unknown-01903254> Dr_Willis: the problem is that some people say that 64 bit has LESS efficent use of the memory . Is that real? why?
[02:09] <xster> I have machine with intel alc892 integrated sound an an nvidia gt 520m with hdmi
[02:09] <sacarlson> sgtsaughter: mtu size problem maybe?
[02:09] <cheako> zykotick9: I agree.  However my devices are so unamazing that I needed another solution.
[02:09] <xster> pulse audio's daemon.conf is set to 6 channels
[02:10] <xster> in the settings I have HDMI and digital surround 5.1
[02:10] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: it's not "less" efficient!  it's just that addressing more memory means more overhead - so in 32bit terms "yes it uses more memory", but in "64 bit terms" it doesn't.  it's kinda an apple/orange comarison of 32/64 bit.
[02:10] <xster> but no sounds come out besides front left and right
[02:10] <sacarlson> sgtsaughter: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-change-mtu-maximum-transmission-unit-of-network-interface-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[02:10] <cheako> xster: HDMI can only do Stereo PCM, sorry.
[02:10] <xster> nothing's muted on alsamixer
[02:11] <Eclife> Anyone have the time to help with a problem?
[02:11] <xster> how come in pavucontrol etc I can see all the channels?
[02:11] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: with less then 4gb - unless your encoding, 64bit will be a detrement instead of a benefit.
[02:11] <xster> i'm guessing it's not something inherent of hdmi as a cable/protocol
[02:11]  * zykotick9 notes there are other 64bit special cases...
[02:11] <xster> is it an ubuntu limitation?
[02:11] <cheako> xster: If your thinking to yourself that the HDMP audio standared is just about useless...  I also agree.  However it will 'activate' the two built in speakers of any TV set... that's somethiong at least.
[02:12] <unknown-01903254> zykotick9: so if the main use of that pc is avidemux (encoding)  64bit could be better?
[02:12] <bazhang> Eclife, just ask, if someone knows, they will answer
[02:12] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: if avidemux can use 64bit, then most likely!
[02:12] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: some computation is faster...
[02:12] <cheako> xster: no it's not.  If you have HDMI from your Blu-Ray to your 7.1 sorround theater system... your noty getting your moneys wourth.
[02:13] <Eclife> Need Help --> touchpad and keyboard is frozen in login screen
[02:13] <question_> jagginess: Thank you :) I'm leaving
[02:13] <xster> so you're saying if I switched to optical out, I can get 5.1 from ubuntu?
 thanks im looking into it
[02:13] <Sabrina> you can help me? that I do not know English, only Spanish, using google translator, and I can not copy what you speak, and I need a video converter that has 3gp, mp4, flv, F4V and more, what you will speak, translates it into espeñol, and what I'm going to say, translates it into English, thanks
[02:13] <carmelo> hellon
[02:13] <zykotick9> unknown-01903254: get more ram ;)
[02:13] <sgtsaughter> yeah i dont know how to shout out ppl on this thing
[02:13] <carmelo> hello8
[02:13] <cheako> xster: With a little help from something NOT shipped in Ubuntu, yes.
[02:13] <no-name-> how do I access my protected/encrypted files from another drive on Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:13] <cheako> xster: This is the setup I have.
[02:14] <xangua1> !es | Sabrina
[02:14] <xster> cheako: what do ubuntu user typically use for surround? optical?
[02:14] <Sabrina> I know, but in Spanish channel, no one
[02:15] <cheako> xster: I fear the only working solution out of the box is the analog jacks for multi-channel out of the PC.
[02:15] <xster> cheako: thanks for the tip though, I'll try optical. I thought the problem was at a level higher i.e. pulseaudio etc
[02:15] <bazhang> Sabrina, no video converter has a voice translator
[02:15] <xster> chaeko: you mean a 3.5mm jack?
[02:16] <cheako> xster: Several 3.5mm jacks, 1 for fl/r and sl/r and c/lfe
[02:16] <bazhang> Sabrina, have you even tried handbrake?  you keep re-asking the same question
[02:16] <xster> cheako: lol, my home theatre doesn't even have that… I'll try optical...
[02:16] <cheako> xster: You'l need to downlaoid compile and install the ALSA a52 plugin to get sorround sound ot of an opticle.
[02:17] <Eclife> Touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen. Problem is consistent between Ubuntu 11.10, 12.04 and Fedora
[02:17] <xster> holy shit… getting more and more complicated
[02:17] <cheako> xster: As I said that's what I do.
[02:17] <xster> k, sounds good
[02:17] <xangua1> !language | xster
[02:17] <xster> my bad
[02:17] <cheako> xster: ohh, just wait...
[02:17] <asmom> wohooo reinstalling helped :P
[02:17] <RyuGuns> I want to make an LOZ themed lock screen, where can I customize my lock screen?
[02:18] <smcguinness> anyone know if there are issues with the Wubi installer download?
[02:18] <smcguinness> Is there an alternative link than what is on Ubuntu page. File doesn't download.
[02:18] <asmom> first time on a linux system, dunno where to begin :P
[02:18] <xster> I've been reading the alsa/pulseaudio stuff but I don't think I fully understand it...
[02:18] <h00k> !beginner | asmom this may help
[02:18] <h00k> hmmm
[02:18] <asmom> !begunner
[02:18] <asmom> fail
[02:18] <asmom> !beginner
[02:19] <RyuGuns> smcguinness: Sounds like a local problem..
[02:19] <RyuGuns> WUBI doesn't seem to have problems downloading to me.
[02:19] <xster> so is pulseaudio kinda like http to alsa being to tcp?
[02:19] <Sabrina> thanks
[02:19] <smcguinness> RyuGuns: Tried 3 different browsers...all redirect to general download page.
[02:19] <Sabrina> good bye
[02:19] <smcguinness> RyuGuns: The Wubi sourceforge page seems to only have 10.04
[02:20] <RyuGuns> Hmm..
[02:20] <RyuGuns> It's actually doing the same to me..
[02:20] <xster> i.e., pulseaudio is a software audio protocol and alsa is kinda like a generic driver?
[02:20] <cheako> xster: http://pastebin.com/9gGGR4GD This goes into /etc/asound.conf  The rule for a52 needs that component that's not included in Ubuntu.  The other part is for wine mainly, to by-pass pulseaudio.  wine instructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11913470&postcount=19
[02:20] <smcguinness> RyuGuns: Just found a link on releases.ubuntu.com for the most recent version
[02:20] <RyuGuns> smcguinness: Okay. :)
[02:21] <xster> cheako: lol… so intense...
[02:21] <Eclife> Need Help --> touchpad and keyboard is frozen in login screen
[02:21] <cheako> xster: Hmm, well pulseaudio is like the X server, it allows many client to use the audio hardware at once... alsa can do this and it's often recommended.
[02:22] <xster> ok
[02:22] <Sabrina> can be said again that his name? who inadvertently pay
[02:22] <cheako> xster: ALSA is the API applications use to access the sound hardware.  It's a bit like how mkfs and fsck use /dev/sda1.
[02:23] <xster> can you use pulseaudio and alsa at the same time? i.e. is pulseaudio just one level of abstraction higher?
[02:23] <jwcarman> is there a bug in the latest updates for 12.04 where it changes your account type to standard?
[02:23] <jwcarman> For some reason, I'm now a Standard user and I can't install updates.  I can't get to the stupid recovery mode either to add me back to the sudo group
[02:23] <cheako> xster: Applications can use ALSa to load modules/plugins to send sound to a number of places, including pulseaudio.
[02:24] <jwcarman> am I totally screwed?
[02:24] <sacarlson> jwcarman: why can't you boot to single user?  you might try boot from a usb device then to fix it
[02:24] <jwcarman> how do I boot to single user?
[02:25] <jwcarman> I need to be in recovery mode to add me back to the sudo group, right?
[02:25] <sacarlson> jwcarman: hold shit key at boot
[02:25] <sacarlson> shift
[02:25] <CoJaBo> All the links on the device page point to "cdma_shadow" too still, which
[02:25] <jwcarman> I've tried that.  It doesn't work
[02:25] <jwcarman> Left shift (or shit) doesn't work
[02:25] <jwcarman> I can't change the grub options to tell it to show the menu, either (can't sudo)
[02:26] <sacarlson> jwcarman: you have a cd or usb to boot from?
[02:26] <cheako> xster: pulseaudio uses ALSA, 'again' in most/some cases, to access the audio device.  In the case of surround sound on my system pulseaudio loads the a52 plugin to convert 5.1 channel PCM data into a compressed version that is then sent over the optical link.
[02:26] <jwcarman> I have the text install disk (needed RAID support during install), sacarlson
[02:26] <zymaster> Hey does anyone have config files for dovecot and postfix for a simple email server? I have been trying and trying to set this up and it is frustrating the heck out of me. All I really want is a simple email server so that I can send and receive emails from it. I don't need a ton of email accounts I just really need one for my Unix account on the system. Anyone got config files for this?
[02:26] <sacarlson> jwcarman: it could be that you have a usb keyboard that grub can't handle unless you set legacy in bios
[02:26] <cog> Can I learn as much with Ubuntu or more with Slackware?  (Both at the current version.)
[02:27] <Eclife> Can use some help???
[02:27] <h00k> cog: you could surely learn from both, I suppose.
[02:27] <jwcarman> sacarlson, I am using a USB keyboard.  It's a M$ gaming keyboard.  Perhaps if I try a simple Dell?
[02:27] <ApocGoD> Ubuntu 12.04, Chromium/Firefox, not able to access a website but everyone else can.
[02:27] <h00k> !ask | Eclife
[02:27] <xster> cheako: wow… you really know this stuff
[02:27] <sacarlson> jwcarman: ok ya or just boot to bios and set lagacy support
[02:28] <cheako> xster: My sony recever is all happy and says, you'r playing a 5.1 channel Dolby Digital in big letters, just like when watching a DVD.
[02:28] <Eclife> Touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen. Ctrl-alt-f1 does not work either
[02:28] <xster> cheako, I'd ask why audio data needs compressing for optical but I think i should read up more about pcm...
[02:28] <jwcarman> ok, hopefully I won't be back.  If not, thank you very much, sacarlson.  If so, see you in a bit :)
[02:28] <escott> jwcarman, is it possible your bios doesn't recognize usb input devices?
[02:28] <jwcarman> I can use the kb in my bios setup screen
[02:28] <sacarlson> jwcarman: hope to never see you again good luck
[02:28] <jwcarman> it's an asus mobo and usb keyboard and mouse
[02:28] <xster> the pavucontrol screen shows a bunch of other checkboxes besides pcm like dts, ac3 etc etc
[02:28] <xster> any of those useful?
[02:28] <jwcarman> Okay, off to play...
[02:28] <cheako> xster: The answer, size.  The optical can only carry 48k and that's not enough for 6 channels of PCM.
[02:29] <xster> cheako, interesting...
[02:29] <cheako> xster: For HDMI the compression would have to be so bad, that it wasn't worth implementing.
[02:31] <cheako> xster: Plus for moves on DVD or Blu-ray the audio stream is already Dolby Digital or DTS compressed.
[02:32] <cheako> xster: So HDMI would have to re-compress the audio in that case...  and that would be the normal implementation.
[02:32] <Eclife> Touchpad and keyboard frozen in login screen???
[02:32] <xster> cheako, but pc audio contents plays with pcm not dts because of compression power requirement?
[02:33] <jwcarman> sacarlson, I'm back :(
[02:33] <sacarlson> jwcarman: that's not good
[02:33] <jwcarman> USB Legacy mode was enabled in the BIOS and I plugged in another kb
[02:33] <jwcarman> no dice
[02:33] <sacarlson> jwcarman: another boot device usb cd?
[02:33] <jwcarman> Do I have to use a live cd?
[02:33] <jwcarman> Or can I use the alternate installer?
[02:33] <cheako> xster: Ohh yeah forgot the mention that.  Doing a52 is said to not be cheap on CPU power, shouldn't be a problem on most systems these days...  but it will make your computer slower.
[02:34] <sacarlson> jwcarman: yes it would have to be pre programed to linux boot
[02:34] <xster> cheako, understood
[02:34] <jwcarman> is a usb installer faster than the cd?
[02:34] <jwcarman> I mean usb boot?
[02:34] <cheako> xster: I'm on a 6x 3.5GZ so it's not an issue at all.  Barely uses 30% of one core.
[02:34] <sacarlson> jwcarman: ya usb is faster than cd for me
[02:35] <xster> cheako, on idle??? or while playing a movie?
[02:35] <sacarlson> jwcarman: most my cd drives don't even work anymore
[02:35] <jwcarman> :)
[02:35] <jwcarman> Okay, so once I'm in there, what do I do?
[02:35] <xster> cheako, just out of curiosity, how does windows or mac play 5.1 on hdmi?
[02:35] <sacarlson> jwcarman: set password
[02:36] <cheako> xster: Just when playing games or stereo that has been up-mixed to 5.1.  For moves you'll be mainly using pass-through mode, that's something you can read about.
[02:36] <jwcarman> sorry if this is a n00b question
[02:36] <jwcarman> set which password?
[02:36] <sacarlson> jwcarman: well set password for root as you say you no longer have a sudo user
[02:36] <SolarisBoy> cheako: did you have to do a lot of config changes to get your pulseaudio working with 5.1?
[02:36] <cheako> xster: I play Doom3 in surround sound and some others not worth mentioning.
[02:36] <sacarlson> jwcarman: or you could modify the /etc/sudoer file
[02:37] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Actually compared to what I did prior to using PA it was vary easy.
[02:37] <SolarisBoy> interesting
[02:37] <cheako> SolarisBoy: http://pastebin.com/9gGGR4GD This goes into /etc/asound.conf  The rule for a52 needs that component that's not included in Ubuntu.  The other part is for wine mainly, to by-pass pulseaudio.  wine instructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11913470&postcount=19
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> cheako: AWESOME thanks man!
[02:38] <cheako> SolarisBoy: My previous config had hacks to re-organise the channels for some applications.
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> insane
[02:39] <cheako> SolarisBoy: PA magically does that, I'm not going to ask as long as it keeps working.
[02:39] <jc_> somehow I accidently changed my language from English to chneese! how can I change it back from the command line, because the gui is now essentially  useless to me
[02:39] <SolarisBoy> this is all very interesting - because i think i should have better audio...
[02:39] <jc_> that should be Chinese not what I typed
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> im using pulse or actually im using whatever ubuntu defaults to i didn't do much with it im on 11.10 still
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> im not to good with video/audio stuff =)
[02:40] <Mia> where handbrake is low?
[02:41] <nishttal2> hi all.. i am running linux mint.. when i press the calculator key on my keyboard.. i get "Couldn't execute command: gcalctool".. how do i change it to mate-calc
[02:41] <Jordan_U> !mint | nishttal2
[02:41] <jwcarman> sacarlson, once I get into the usb boot, how do I access the "real" system?
[02:41] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Plus PA becomes essential with spdif, ALSA's dmix needs to talk to the spdif directly so you can't use a52...  Thus negating the point.
[02:42] <stevecam> is rythmbox the new default player again?
[02:42] <cheako> SolarisBoy: I ran for a vary long time not being able to use more then one sound application at a time.
[02:42] <sacarlson> jwcarman: oh ya you will have to mount the drive that you boot from then look at the /etc/sudoer  on that disk
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> cheako: due to alsa right? but then pulse allowed you to get past that?
[02:42] <stevecam> i mean rhythmbox
[02:43] <SolarisBoy> cheako: i have the intel built in hd audio thing but my sound is always very choppy at best.
[02:43] <jwcarman> crap, how do I do that?
[02:43] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Correct, ALSA is lacking features.  PA does software mixing for all my applications.
[02:43] <nishttal2> Jordan_U: i am not having any luck there.. its like they cant see my msgs :( if this is something simple.. could you help?
[02:43] <SolarisBoy> cheako: nice
[02:43] <Eclife> Help --> login screen frozen. touchpad and keyboard not working
[02:43] <SolarisBoy> cheako: i wonder why my sound is so horrid and yours is seemingly awesome? =)
[02:43] <h00k> nishttal2: no, as this isn't the mint channel
[02:43] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: what did you do before this started?
[02:44] <SolarisBoy> but there may be other factors...
[02:44] <Jordan_U> nishttal2: Unfortunately A: This channel has a strict policy of only supporting Ubuntu and B: I don't know the answer anyway.
[02:44] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, it's a fresh install
[02:44] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Well, no actually.  Playing Movies is done using PA...  but in pass-through mode it doesn't do mixing, perhaps got the best.
[02:44] <jwcarman> do I need to be root to create a boot disk/device?
[02:44] <nishttal2> Jordan_U: ok np.. thanks
[02:44] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: ouch. Have you copied any files around yet?
[02:44] <sacarlson> jwcarman: how do you mount a drive?  you can do it from nautilus just select the drive it will auto mount in /media
[02:44] <cheako> s/got/for/
[02:44] <Ormie> !ot > Ormie
[02:45] <aleminio> Using linux\ubuntu for the first time now, damn there's a lot to get used to lol
[02:45] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, I've done nothing
[02:45] <brandofer> power point does not download?
[02:45] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Generally to burn a Boot CD, no, to create a Bootable USB drive, yes.
[02:45] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Hmm, we seam to have basically the same system.
[02:45] <Ormie> What will happen if I ask a question for un supported version of ubuntu.
[02:45] <sacarlson> jwcarman: oh and the file is /et/sudoers  add a line like:   jwcarman ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL   to add your user to the sudo list
[02:45] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: okay! then do ctrl + alt F1 and login, and then type "startx" and see what output you get, then reboot and tell us about it:D
[02:46] <Ormie> eg. 7.04
[02:46] <jkitchen> Ormie: you may get an answer, you may not. just like any other question
[02:46] <Jordan_U> Ormie: We will tell you that we can't help you except to point you toward guides for upgrading to a supported version.
[02:46] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work
[02:46] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: try F2 then
[02:46] <Ormie> oh ok.
[02:46] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: We have a policy of not supporting EOL releases.
[02:46] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: all the way up to F7 hehe
[02:46] <jwcarman> EOL?
[02:47] <cheako> HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
[02:47] <SolarisBoy> cheako: yea?
[02:47] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, give me a sec
[02:47] <jwcarman> 12.04 is EOL?
[02:47] <_xan_> Ormie: thrown off the bridge of death?
[02:47] <SolarisBoy> Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: HDA Generic [HDA Generic]
[02:47] <jwcarman> Jordan_U?
[02:47] <_xan_> Ormie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg
[02:47] <sacarlson> jwcarman: Jordan_U; oh ya that's really old like 2 months already
[02:47] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: End Of Life. Ubuntu 12.04 is certainly not EOL, but Ormie was talking about 7.04 which certainly is.
[02:47] <jwcarman> I know what end of life
[02:47] <jwcarman> is
[02:47] <cheako> SolarisBoy: I guess the only issue is the supported rates.  My card only does 48000.
[02:48] <jwcarman> I meant what do you mean EOL
[02:48] <jwcarman> I'm talking 12.04
[02:48] <SolarisBoy> hmm
[02:48] <Ormie> Just curious, I use 12.04
[02:48] <cheako> SolarisBoy: You have to choose a rate that fits your card and your receiver.  Other then that I can't think of anything.
[02:48] <SolarisBoy> cheako: did you just look up the specs or do you know some command fu to get that? prolly specs huh?
[02:48] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, nothing
[02:49] <brandofer> libre won't open my downloaded pp help please
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> cheako: via some configured setting your referencing now? in pulse?
[02:49] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: wow!
[02:49] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Yeah, look at the specs.
[02:49] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: then let's check if your keyboard is in ubuntu at all
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> k
[02:49] <jwcarman> sacarlson, can I just create a live cd, then?
[02:49] <Jordan_U> brandofer: What happens when you try to open it?
[02:49] <cheako> SolarisBoy: hold on, I'll google.
[02:49] <jwcarman> I can't create a startup disk in this ubuntu since I'm not root
[02:49] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: do you have a Prt Scr button that also says SysRq on it?
[02:49] <sacarlson> jwcarman: I would think so, why don't you have a usb flash disk?
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> thanks - cause i was getting ready to delve into the wonderful world of intel embedded chips =(
[02:50] <jwcarman> I do
[02:50] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, yes
[02:50] <jwcarman> the button to burn it isn't there when I try to use the "make startup disk" thingy
[02:50] <sacarlson> jwcarman: well whatever works for you
[02:50] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: ok, then hold in alt, then press that button and release it BUT HOLD THE ALT BUTTON IN, and then slowly type with perhaps 5 sec intervals R-E-I-S-U-B
[02:50] <jwcarman> Perhaps I'm trying to create the startup disk incorrectly?
[02:50] <brandofer> "open with "does not give libre as an option to open
[02:50] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: this should reboot your computer, just to check if your keyboard is at all there
[02:50] <jwcarman> I was following instructions from here:
[02:50] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Can you use your keyboard in the BIOS menus (I'm trying to figure out why you aren't able to get the grub menu to show up).
[02:51] <jwcarman> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[02:51] <sacarlson> jwcarman: ya on my system I think I need to be sudo to get the usb start disk to work
[02:51] <dataviruset> someone that knows what I should write in the LSI MegaRAID preboot CLI to create a RAID1 volume? :/
[02:51] <jwcarman> I can use my kb in the BIOS, yes
[02:51] <Ormie> ads
[02:51] <cheako> YSolarisBoy: our card or receiver may not support 48 kHz, the only other sane choice is 44.1 kHz.
[02:51] <Ormie> sorry.
[02:51] <jwcarman> The grub is set to be hidden and the delay or whatever is set to 0
[02:51] <Jordan_U> dataviruset: I would highly recommend against using FakeRAID.
[02:51] <jwcarman> Is there another way to create the usb start disk?
[02:52] <jwcarman> Or, is there another way to create a bootable ubuntu usb disk?
[02:52] <Ormie> !yes
[02:52] <dataviruset> Jordan_U: Okay, I am not sure if I know what you mean, but I want to create a logical volume with RAID1 here
[02:52] <cheako> YSolarisBoy: 44.1 won't be enough to play most moves, however a52 can do it if you re-compress.
[02:52] <Ormie> !ubuntu
[02:52] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: That's normal for Ubuntu, but holding shift (not just pressing it) during boot should normally get it to show up.
[02:52] <jc_> found it
[02:52] <jwcarman> I tried holding shift
[02:52] <sacarlson> jwcarman: if you already have an iso file then select that as you don't want to download one if you don't need it
[02:52] <Ormie> !cannonical
[02:52] <jwcarman> I've tried this so many times
[02:53] <xangua1> !msgbot | Ormie
[02:53] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, nothing happened
[02:53] <jwcarman> I had the iso on my windoze system, but that's gone now
[02:53] <Ormie> hm...
[02:53] <no-name-> is it safe to boot off a drive from another computer in recovery mode? (just wondering if the drivers for the different machine would cause any problems)
[02:53] <jwcarman> I've switched over to running an ubuntu host and just have a windoze vm
[02:53] <sacarlson> jwcarman: bummer well maybe download the small one as you don't need a complete system for what you need
[02:53] <jest3r> i extracted the minimal iso to usb key and installed, but upon rebooting it went to a black screen. i went to rescue mode and it's missing dpkg and apt etc
[02:53] <jwcarman> so, I'll have to download one
[02:53] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: hmm
[02:54] <jwcarman> 32 or 64 bit matter?
[02:54] <cheako> SolarisBoy: Your card or receiver may not support 48 kHz, the only other sane choice is 44.1 kHz.
[02:54] <cheako> SolarisBoy: 44.1 won't be enough to play most moves, however a52 can do it if you re-compress.
[02:54] <jest3r> i have the ubuntu 12.04 cd mounted, but i don't know where the files i need to copy to finish the system are at
[02:54] <sacarlson> jwcarman: no it doesn't mater 32 or 64
[02:54] <jwcarman> I'm running 64-bit of course
[02:54] <jwcarman> is 32 smaller?
[02:54] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: then forcibly shut down the computer, reboot it and hold in shift when it starts again until you get a selection list
[02:54] <sacarlson> jwcarman: no I don't think it's much smaller
[02:54] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, every third time I boot the computer I get to the login screen and it's not frozen. Dunno if this helps
[02:54] <motherbrain> does anybody know where I can get the source code for the ubuntu kernels and program source code
[02:54] <cheako> jwcarman: Yes, take a look at the Windows8 iso for an example.
[02:54] <SolarisBoy> cheako: got it
[02:54] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: can you login etc?
[02:55] <xangua1> !source | motherbrain
[02:55] <jest3r> anyone know how i can get dpkg from the 12.04 cd installed without having dpkg or apt installed?
[02:55] <Blue1> !openvpn
[02:55] <jwcarman> cheako, what question were you answering?
[02:55] <cheako> jwcarman: It's said that the performance penalty for running 64bit is only slightly more then running 32 with PAE enabled.
[02:55] <Jordan_U> jest3r: How is it possible that you don't have dpkg installed?
[02:55] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, every third attempt or so
[02:55] <motherbrain> well thats for a particular gnu software not the ubuntu modified linux kernel itself
[02:55] <cheako> jwcarman: If 32bit was smaller.
[02:55] <jest3r> Jordan_U: no idea.. thank the minimal installer i guess
[02:56] <Blue1> wow what a useless openvpn link
[02:56] <h00k> I'm pretty sure the minimal installer even does dpkg
[02:56] <Jordan_U> jest3r: Nope, the minimal installer will install both dpkg and apt.
[02:56] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: I'm clueless at this point, keep nagging here!:)
[02:56] <jest3r> well obviously something went wrong then
[02:56] <Jordan_U> jest3r: What makes you think that you don't have dpkg installed?
[02:56] <cheako> jwcarman: I'm the type that insists that 32bit is the only logical choice.
[02:56] <dataviruset> Somebody knows how to do a (| more) thing in LSI MegaRAID preboot CLI?
[02:56] <jest3r> because i've done find / -type f -name '*dpkg*' -print and nothing is returned, there is no dpkg in my path etc
[02:57] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, I have tried 11.10 and fedora
[02:57] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: same problem?!
[02:57] <jwcarman> I've always used 64 because I'm a java developer and i need to be able to allocate more memory to my jvms at times
[02:57] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, ya, same problem
[02:58] <PWIHAMSTER> I really like stock Ubuntu/Unity, and I feel guilty for it
[02:58] <jest3r> i'm 100% sure dpkg is missing from the installation.. is there any way i can get it off the desktop cd? i didn't find it when i searched
[02:58] <jest3r> i'm assuming the packages are compressed
[02:58] <PWIHAMSTER> All the cool kids are supposedly using Arch and XFCE right now
[02:58] <no-name-> is it safe to boot off a drive from another computer in recovery mode? (just wondering if the drivers for the different machine would cause any problems)
[02:58] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: only thing I can say is that I'm glad I haven't had this problem
[02:58] <sirriffsalot> Keep nagging here mate
[02:59] <sirriffsalot> Someone will have to fold sooner or later
[02:59] <PWIHAMSTER> but Ubuntu works well enough that I don't even want to try Arch
[02:59] <Jordan_U> jest3r: Are you sure you're not just stuck in a busybox shell?
[02:59] <sirriffsalot> I'm very new at linux myself so
[02:59] <sacarlson> Blue1: still don't have openvpn working?
[02:59] <Eclife> sirrifsalot, haha... thanks man
[02:59] <cheako> jest3r: ar to unpack and then tar to get at the tree(as in the files you copy to /).
[02:59] <escott> no-name-, its safe, boot to the full desktop doesn't work in some cases because of drivers, but recovery should be fine
[02:59] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, it's a brand new computer too
[02:59] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I am glad someone likes it
[02:59] <jest3r> ty cheako
[02:59] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, but I am sticking with "anything but unity"
[02:59] <jwcarman> sacarlson, so I just mount the drive and edit the /etc/sudoers file?
[02:59] <jwcarman> adding that line you specified?
[03:00] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: anything stable and functional on your end of the woods?
[03:00] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: even more puzzled mate:)
[03:00] <jest3r> and Jordan_U yes i'm in busy box but i've already mounted both the install and the cd
[03:00] <Blue1> sacarlson: nope if complains Options error: You must define DH file (--dh)
[03:00] <sacarlson> jwcarman: that should work
[03:00] <jwcarman> ok, 4 mins left on my download
[03:00] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, depends. 11.04 EOLs in october but it is rock solid
[03:00] <jwcarman> I would really like to know why I can't enter recovery mode
[03:00] <jwcarman> That really makes me mad
[03:00] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, xfce is not bad
[03:00] <Jordan_U> jest3r: And the actual root filesystem (rather than the initramfs temporary root) doesn't contain dpkg?
[03:01] <cheako> jest3r: It's actually to simple to provide a link, but here it is anyway. http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2005/09/unpacking_a_deb_without_dpkg/
[03:01] <theseb> ANYONE successfully backup stuff to Ubuntu One?
[03:01] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I am currently using gnome shell, but I would never try and force it on anyone. It is an acquired taste through hard work
[03:01] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: I actually installed XFCE this week, I'll have to check it out
[03:01] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, and it still ticks me off often
[03:01] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, xfce seems like the all around good replacement (even though I am not using it right now)
[03:01] <Eclife> sirriffsalot, thanks for your help. I'll try another day
[03:02] <jwcarman> anyone know any other tricks I could try to get my grub menu to show up so that I can enter recovery mode?
[03:02] <jest3r> yeah cheako ty
[03:02] <jest3r> Jordan_U: yes it's the actual filesystem
[03:02] <sirriffsalot> Eclife: no problem! Keep trying!
[03:02] <no-name-> escott: ok. I think I'll give trying to get into my private/encrypted home folder without booting first though. though I've not had much luck doing that in the past, and couldn't seem to today
[03:02] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: I can tell you a dirty hack to get the grub menu to show, but my guess is that when it does you won't be able to interact with it (since if grub were able to get input from your keyboard at all, holding shift would have worked).
[03:02] <sacarlson> Blue1: would a static key method be good enuf for your applicaiton of openvpn?
[03:02] <Jordan_U> jest3r: How did you install Ubuntu? Were there any error messages during installation?
[03:03] <jwcarman> I've seen other folks when I googled that have had troubles getting grub menu to show
[03:03] <escott> no-name-, do you have the passphrase to unwrap the key?
[03:03] <sacarlson> Blue1: or do you plan to have more than one user connected to the openvpn server?
[03:03] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, the way unity and gnome3 was forced on people was not cool. But I think gnome3 has promise. The extensions system is awesome
[03:03] <no-name-> escott: I have the password, but not that long thing
[03:04] <cheako> smw: Exactly!
[03:04] <Blue1> sacarlson: thisis what I have:  http://paste.debian.net/173075/
[03:04] <XiRoN> Does anyone know of any reliable VPS hosts? I just want a reliable connection to the web, RAM and HDD doesnt matter. I just want it to run a SOCAT thing.
[03:04] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Again, I can tell you (an ugly) way to get the grub menu to show, but if you do it and grub can't get input from your keyboard you'll be stuck at the grub menu unable to boot Ubuntu anymore. Do you want to try that? Do you remember being able to use your keyboard with grub in the past?
[03:04] <Blue1> sacarlson: why is it bitching about something I didn't specify in the conf.fie?
[03:04] <h00k> !ot | XiRoN
[03:05] <cheako> smw: I don't think my Mom has used here Ubuntu once since I upgraded it.
[03:05] <XiRoN> Sorry, h00k
[03:05] <XiRoN> Wrong channel
[03:05] <cheako> smw: She now wants me to fix Windows so it's faster.
[03:05] <smw> cheako, I was a late convert to gnome-shell. So I got it after there were enough extensions. I also decided to put in the effort to figure out how to make gnome 3 usable
[03:05] <jwcarman> There was a time after installation that I did see the grub menu and I was able to use it.  I think I had to hard reset my machine or something, so that made it appear
[03:05] <smw> cheako, lol
[03:05] <XiRoN> #netowrking
[03:05] <jwcarman> Does that sound right?
[03:05] <D4nt3> question
[03:05] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: I tried Gnome Shell, it gave me the impression of being a less capable Unity :|
[03:05] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: I can't wait to be a more capable dev, I really feel like developping stuff for Linux.
[03:05] <smw> cheako, xfce on ubuntu is a legitimate option. It has improved greatly
[03:06] <motherbrain> does anybody know what command or how I can download the ubuntu kernel sources ?
[03:06] <shanky_ty> kernel.org
[03:06] <maxone> who do i get stereo sound from ubuntu
[03:06] <no-name-> escott: did you mean the regular password or that big long thing it gives you?
[03:06] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: That was what I was going to recommend as the ugly way to get it to appear, reboot and pull the plug on the computer immediately after Ubuntu starts to boot.
[03:06] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, gnome-shell is not a less capable unity. But it has a high learning curve if you want to get good with it.
[03:06] <motherbrain> c
[03:07] <jwcarman> can't I just power down the machine right now to get it to appear?
[03:07] <maxone> ADI 1988B 8 -Channel High Definition Audio CODEC, this is my chipset.
[03:07] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: That will be detected as a failed boot, and thus the grub menu will be shown.
[03:07] <sacarlson> blue1 try change line key waynovpn.key to secret waynovpn.key
[03:07] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: No.
[03:07] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, as I said, it has won me over, but I would never force it on anyone
[03:07] <jwcarman> has to be during boot
[03:07] <jest3r> Jordan_U: via usb key minimal install (netinstall) and i didn't see any errors, but i was afk for the installation
[03:07] <Blue1> sacarlson: ok
[03:07] <jwcarman> well, I'm game for anything at this point.  I can't get the damn usb stick to burn
[03:08] <jwcarman> have to be root to do it
[03:08] <jwcarman> Can brasero burn iso -> usb?
[03:08] <sacarlson> Blue1: I'm not sure the values you have in you *.key file are correct also
[03:08] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:08] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I will say that I no longer recommend ubuntu who don't use linux
[03:08] <jwcarman> doesn't look like it
[03:08] <_skpl> can someone help me? aptitude is hanging while trying to upgrade zramswap-enabler
[03:08] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: how come? the 12.04 Unity is a far shot from 11.10
[03:08] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: The way that it works is that grub sets a "recordfail" flag itself, then late in boot a script removes that flag (to indicate that booting was successful). Then if grub boots again, and sees that the flag is still there, it knows that booting failed.
[03:08] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: and getting xubuntu is trivial at this point
[03:09] <maxone> anyone>
[03:09] <D4nt3> So I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with all the latest updates as of 4 hours ago. Anyway I realized I was running Gnome 3.2 and attempted to upgrade to gnome 3.4. I added the gnome repository and installed everything. Upon reboot it refused to start. I had to hard reboot and go into the recovery console. I've uninstalled all gnome packages and yet the error persists. Even from the drop down root
[03:09] <D4nt3> console or the guiless console that's shown upon continuing to boot I'm  unable to shut down my computer, once again it just hangs in the same manner as it does on a normal startup. Does anyone know what the problem might be?
[03:09] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I have no problem with xubuntu
[03:09] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: plus I don't know of any decent alternatives, apart maybe from Linux Mint but it's basically Ubuntu in disguise
[03:09] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:09] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:09] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:09] <FloodBot1> shanky_ty: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:09] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, cool.  That should be very helpful.  Nasty, but effective in this case
[03:09] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Unless you get stuck at the grub menu, yes :)
[03:09] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, nah, linux mint means well, but they are trying to recreate gnome2 which is insane
[03:09] <KRomo> does ubuntu 12.10 have kernel 3.4 in the nightlies?
[03:09] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: gnome2 was fine, what's wrong with re-creating it?
[03:10] <D4nt3> anyone?
[03:10] <jwcarman> I'm going to try running the livecd first.  If that doesn't work, then I'll do the "nuclear option"
[03:10] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: If you're willing to try it though it sounds like it will probably work.
[03:10] <dr--willis> !apt ? shanky_ty
[03:10] <dr--willis> !apt | shanky_ty
[03:10] <KRomo> linux mint is like your dad holding onto vhs
[03:10] <jwcarman> I'm willing.  I really don't have much on this PC
[03:10] <jwcarman> everything I give a crap about is stored "in the cloud" anyway
[03:10] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, because what makes gnome 2 so great is the decade or so of bug fixes and iterative improvements
[03:10] <jwcarman> I nuke/pave my machine somewhat regularly and it's only been up-and-running on 12.04 for a couple of days
[03:10] <D4nt3> anyone care to help?
[03:11] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: so MATE isn't built on gnome2?
[03:11] <motherbrain> wait a second the ubuntu os/machine may already contain the sources maybe is the source code from the kernel any one of these http://pastebin.com/pn4b51WU
[03:11] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, I thought they use cinnamon on gnome 3
[03:11] <jwcarman> burning live cd now...
[03:11] <D4nt3> once more
[03:11] <D4nt3> So I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with all the latest updates as of 4 hours ago. Anyway I realized I was running Gnome 3.2 and attempted to upgrade to gnome 3.4. I added the gnome repository and installed everything. Upon reboot it refused to start. I had to hard reboot and go into the recovery console. I've uninstalled all gnome packages and yet the error persists. Even from the drop down root
[03:11] <D4nt3> console or the guiless console that's shown upon continuing to boot I'm  unable to shut down my computer, once again it just hangs in the same manner as it does on a normal startup. Does anyone know what the problem might be?
[03:11] <Saeryn> D4nt3: Watcha need?
[03:11] <FloodBot1> D4nt3: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:11] <Jordan_U> !ot | smw PWIHAMSTER
[03:11] <Geodesical> Hallo? It would be most adequate to offer me assistance at the moment. ;)
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> PWIHAMSTER, you don't have to re-create gnome 2 run debian.
[03:11] <smw> PWIHAMSTER, head to offtopic?
[03:12] <PWIHAMSTER> smw: yassuh
[03:12] <smw> sorry Jordan_U
[03:12] <KRomo> is the g in gnome silent?
[03:12] <shanky_ty> ubottu: i have tried export method but it dosent work
[03:12] <sacarlson> D4nt3: unsupported repository?
[03:12] <Jordan_U> D4nt3: I would recommend using ppa-purge to ensure that you get rid of (or downgrade back to supported versions) all of the packages from the ppa.
[03:12] <Boohbah> D4nt3: did you remove the repository and install the gnome packages again from official repositories?
[03:13] <D4nt3> okay I'll try that
[03:13] <theseb> ANYONE use Ubuntu One
[03:13] <theseb> ?
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> theseb lots of people do
[03:13] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:13] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:13] <shanky_ty> how to set proxy .. for apt-get ???
[03:13] <FloodBot1> shanky_ty: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:14] <theseb> Dr_Willis: the default backup app Deja Dup gives an error....how do people send files remotely to store ?
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> shanky_ty:  in the  config files in /etc/apt/
[03:14] <DaSpawn> I have a weird issue with Ubuntu 11.04 and unity menu.  If I go in with 2D mode it works fine, in regular mode the menus are there ok, but when it opens it greys out and shows the arrow, but I see no menu.  The strangest part is the menu is actually there, if I click where menu items would be, applications open.  Already tried unity --reset, reset-icons.  Any help would be appreciated
[03:14] <jwcarman> export http_proxy=http://myproxyhost.com:8080?  Isn't that it?
[03:14] <Geodesical> Hello... am I Chop Liver?!
[03:14] <Gardllok> Hey guys! I hate doing this but I'm stumped here. Im trying to configure Blackbuntu which runs ubuntu 10.10 (with 2.6.39-3-bb03 kernel). Of course I cant the wireless device (intel centrino adv. N + wimax 6250) set up. according to my googled research, i have the correct drivers and firmware....still no dice! Ifconfig wont recognize and lshw reports the device as unclaimed. My question is,...
[03:14] <Gardllok> ...should I continue trying to get my current driver+kernel set to work or update the kernel new version?
[03:14] <Jordan_U> shanky_ty: Please don't repeat your question over and over like that, and please stick to one '?' .
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  no idea.
[03:14] <theseb> Dr_Willis: do you use it?
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> !apt | shanky_ty
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  i uswe ubuntu one.. thats what you asked
[03:15] <theseb> Dr_Willis: for backups?
[03:15] <Jordan_U> Geodesical: Do you have an Ubuntu support question? If so, please get to it without the offtopic banter.
[03:15] <theseb> Dr_Willis: of your laptop?
[03:15] <shanky_ty> Dr_Wills: APT is the Advanced Package Tool
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  i just drag/drop what i want to archive to it.
[03:15] <Gardllok> another question is i found in my dirvers folder "iwlagn.ko.ignore"....should this be "ignore"
[03:15] <theseb> Dr_Willis: to that Ubuntu One folder?
[03:15] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http+proxy+apt-get
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> shanky_ty:   you may want to read some dos on it.
[03:15] <Geodesical> Oke doke. Well, I am trying to run Garry's Mod on Steam; Steam loads fine but when I click the "Play" button, the screen goes black, but then just goes back to Steam.
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> theseb:  or make a link. I get to U1 from my android phone most of the time
[03:15] <Jordan_U> !wine | Geodesical
[03:16] <motherbrain> I guess I already have the source here dahdi-2.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu2        linux-headers-2.6.32-41-generic
[03:16] <motherbrain> linux-headers-2.6.32-21          virtualbox-ose-3.1.6
[03:16] <motherbrain> linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic  vpb-driver.tar.bz2
[03:16] <motherbrain> linux-headers-2.6.32-41
[03:16] <Geodesical> I have Wine installed already. Also PlayOnLinux.
[03:16] <FloodBot1> motherbrain: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:16] <theseb> Dr_Willis: what link are you referring to?  I tried making a soft link inside of the U1 folder to another dir and it seemed to take
[03:16] <Ormie> how does the ubuntu team feel if the user tweak or hack ubuntu?
[03:16] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[03:16] <shanky_ty> jwcarman: i have trid google but most of method show way to export http_proxy .... but that doesnt work for me ...?
[03:17] <shanky_ty> is there ane other way
[03:17] <Jordan_U> Geodesical: The relevant part of that factoid was "Join #winehq for application help".
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> Ormie:  Huh?
[03:17] <sacarlson> motherbrain: headers are not source
[03:17] <Geodesical> Jordan_U: oh.
[03:17] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: have you tried changing the configuration file?
[03:17] <shanky_ty> nop
[03:17] <motherbrain> what are headers for then just the header files for the c files
[03:18] <sacarlson> motherbrain: headers are what we compile other stuf to
[03:18] <jwcarman> shanky_ty: there are a lot of options on that link I gave you
[03:18] <motherbrain> where is the source does it come pre-installed with ubuntu or is there a download somewhere
[03:19] <Boohbah> motherbrain: in the case of kernel headers, you need them to compile modules for that kernel
[03:19] <Ormie> by the way, who hired that guy "willwill" to be as voice on #ubuntu-th?
[03:19] <shanky_ty> jwcarman: if u r referring to apt/how_tos .. pge i have already tried that .. but no luck
[03:20] <OerHeks> Ormie, ask in Ubuntu-th ?
[03:20] <Ormie> Ask in english? no one understands.
[03:20] <motherbrain> ok but is the source code for the kernel some where on the filesystem by default or is it just the compiled versions of them in non-human readable .so , .a  , .o files
[03:22] <Ormie> actually, ah ha!
[03:22] <Jordan_U> motherbrain: The kernel source is not shipped with Ubuntu by default.
[03:22] <Boohbah> motherbrain: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-source
[03:22] <motherbrain> is there a download page like kernel.org for it
[03:22] <Ormie> ผมถามทางโน้นก็ได้คร๊าบ!
[03:23] <Boohbah> motherbrain: you can do 'sudo apt-get install linux-source'
[03:23] <shanky_ty> telgu ??
[03:23] <Boohbah> shanky_ty: thai
[03:23]  * Ormie runs away.
[03:23] <Jordan_U> Ormie: This channel is English only.
[03:23] <shanky_ty> hh
[03:23] <frame45> does anyone use the full encryption from the alternate install cd?
[03:23] <shanky_ty> can ne 1 tell me how configure apt for proxy?
[03:24] <Jordan_U> !anyone | frame45
[03:24] <Ormie> Jordan_U, that means "I will go and ask over there, then" and end of conversation.
[03:24] <xangua1> !aptproxy | shanky_ty
[03:24] <cog> CrIsIs!  Please divulge on getting the music to stop playing after closing Clementine.
[03:25] <frame45> is it a good idea to use full encryption on a laptop?
[03:25] <Saeryn> frame45: What type of full encryption?
[03:25] <cog> Harmony -_- CrIsIs absolved.
[03:25] <motherbrain> thank you for the link as well as the apt-get command didn't know linux-source was the name for the apt-get part of the command.
[03:27] <frame45> Saeryn: well i just loaded 12.04 on my new laptop but should I encrypt it? I was told you had to use the alternate install cd to fully encrypt the whole system not just /home
[03:27] <EDawg878> How do you make a shell script that is a toggle? When you run it 1st it does command1 if you run it again it does command2 etc.
[03:27] <jwcarman> sacarlson, okay I'm in the live cd
[03:28] <jwcarman> I've mounted it, chmod +w sudoers, vi sudoers
[03:28] <jwcarman> I'm in there now
[03:28] <Saeryn> frame45: You will need to use the alternative install cd to do so, unless you want to make it more complicated.
[03:28] <jwcarman> So, I see a line for root that looks like this
[03:28] <jwcarman> root    ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[03:28] <jwcarman> Do I just want to do that for me, too?
[03:29] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: No, don't edit /etc/sudoers at all.
[03:29] <jwcarman> What?
[03:29] <jwcarman> that's what I was told to do by sacarlson
[03:29] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Add your user to the "sudo" or "admin" group.
[03:29] <jwcarman> so, what do I do?
[03:29] <jwcarman> I'm in a live cd, Jordan_U
[03:30] <Saeryn> frame45: However unless you're expecting to store sensitive information on your machine, Full Disk Encryption isn't usually needed :) I'd recommend getting more experience with Linux in general before delving into Encryption Schemes.
[03:30] <jwcarman> So, I'm not really running inside the "real" system
[03:30] <shrapnel> after installing updates on 12.04 and rebooting, my laptop has lost network connectivity. looks like the network manager is broken.
[03:30] <shanky_ty> xangua1: thnx will try  :)
[03:30] <shrapnel> going into system settings, networking, gives me the message, "the system network services are not compatible with this version"
[03:30] <jwcarman> Do I just edit /etc/passwd or something?
[03:30] <shrapnel> ifconfig + dhclient can get me a wired connection to my router. haven't investigated wifi. the networkmanager applet has gone missing.
[03:31] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Also, you shouldn't have changed the permissions of /etc/sudoers, they were like that for a reason.
[03:31] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Open a terminal and type "pstree -p | grep nm"
[03:31] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, how do I change it back?
[03:31] <jwcarman> I did
[03:31] <frame45> Saeryn: I know encryption is good if it gets stolen, but what if I break something and it won't boot? is it better just to encrypt /home
[03:31] <jwcarman> sudo chmod +w sudoers
[03:31] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: chmod -w
[03:31] <jwcarman> k
[03:31] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Did it return with anything?
[03:32] <subcool> can someone help me with my sound? - there is none :(
[03:32] <KRomo> new rhythmbox update is sweet!
[03:32] <shrapnel> Saeryn: yep, it shows up in the process list.
[03:32] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, what file do I change to add me to the group?
[03:32] <subcool> I am also connected via HDMI, and there is no sound there either..
[03:32] <r0b-> well i have concluded that Kernel 3.0 is about fucked
[03:32] <r0b-> :-)
[03:32] <r0b-> USB support has gone downhill
[03:32] <Saeryn> frame45: A strong enough initial password should protect your information readily enough, if they are indeed sophisticated enough to get through normal authentication measures such encryption usually won't help. However you can encrypt /home if you feel you need to.
[03:32] <Saeryn> shrapnel: nm-applet shows up?
[03:32] <shrapnel> Saeryn: yes.
[03:33] <Saeryn> shrapnel: With what PID?
[03:33] <shrapnel> Saeryn: 3081.
[03:33] <jwcarman> Jordan_U, can I just modify the "group" file to add me to the end of the "sudo" group line?
[03:33] <shrapnel> Saeryn: what can you tell from a PID?
[03:34] <Saeryn> shrapnel: The PID tells me the PID :P So your issue is that the nm-applet won't show up to be used?
[03:34] <Jordan_U> Saeryn: A login password does nothing to protect your private data if your computer gets stolen and the data is not encrypted.
[03:34] <jenia> hello everyone
[03:34] <sacarlson> motherbrain:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git
[03:34] <Jordan_U> jwcarman: Yes.
[03:34] <r0b-> uCUNTU SUCKS!
[03:35] <jwcarman> and that's it?
[03:35] <jwcarman> Reboot?
[03:35] <jenia> can someone please tell me how to configure the static switcher program to not show the different windows of the same program
[03:35] <jwcarman> I didn't change permissions.  Just vi group
[03:35] <frame45> Saeryn: thanks, I'm a worst case person, I'm thinking more along the lines of if you pull the drive an mount it to another system.
[03:35] <maxone> could someone help me out.  i don't have stereo sound in ubuntu, why?
[03:35] <Saeryn> Jordan_U: Quite true, however anyone who is willing to go that far to get the data will usually try other means as well to get through the encryption. Any sensitive data that is worth stealing as such would require extra measures as well to remain fully protected :)
[03:35] <Saeryn> frame45: If you query me I can help you set it up if you'd like :)
[03:35] <jenia> like lets say i have 5 nautilus windows open, i want there to be one entry in the statis switcher
[03:36] <Saeryn> Jordan_U: I guess I'm just the go all the way or none of the way type of person when it comes to security, bad habit I know :P
[03:36] <ak5> sorry, but how can I check version of pkg installed with apt?
[03:36] <Saeryn> shrapnel: ?
[03:36] <subcool> maxone,  if u find any good advice.. forward it my way please
[03:37] <Jordan_U> Saeryn: With a good password the encryption used by Ubuntu cannot currently be cracked with consumer hardware / software in any reasonable amount of time (see: Decades of serious computation).
[03:38] <jwcarman_> Jordan_U: I'm back in business!  Thank you VERY MUCH for your help
[03:38] <Saeryn> Jordan_U: Very true, I guess I am not familiar enough with Ubuntu's encryption scheme to formulate the plausible attacks one could perform against it other than the obvious :) I use a different encryption method.
[03:38] <jwcarman_> now to figure out how the heck that happened in the first place
[03:38] <maxone> would but no one seems to be helping
[03:38] <frame45> Saeryn: I may run the alternate installer just to see how it works. it's a new machine so i'm not too vested at this point yet.
[03:38] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: I lost connection what was the solution?
[03:38] <Jordan_U> jwcarman_: You're welcome. You should also check that you're a member of the other standard groups (on my machine "adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare libvirtd" )
[03:39] <Saeryn> frame45: Then go for it definitely :)
[03:39] <frame45> Saeryn: what about btrfs? have you tried it yet?
[03:39] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: oh yes added to admin group would also fix it
[03:39] <Saeryn> frame45: No I have no, I stick to Ext4 for partitions other than /boot and swap.
[03:39] <shrapnel> Saeryn: sorry, connection dropped.
[03:39] <Saeryn> I have not*
[03:40] <Saeryn> shrapnel: So your issue is that nm-applet is not showing up?
[03:40] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: that's what I did.  I modified the /etc/group file by adding me to the "sudo" group
[03:40] <subcool> maxone, ill be back, im rebooting...
[03:40] <shrapnel> Saeryn: I suppose, though I can't bring up the networking control panel, either (not sure if that's implemented as a call to the applet).
[03:40] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Are you using 12.04?
[03:40] <frame45> Saeryn: I made one partition for swap one for / and one for /home. Is it better to make /boot it's own?
[03:40] <subcool> maxone, nvm- 10 more mintures
[03:40] <shrapnel> Saeryn: and, of course, the applet doesn't seem to be doing its job. it doesn't automatically establish wired or wireless connections the way it usually does.
[03:40] <jwcarman_> Jordan_U, do I need all of those other groups?
[03:40] <shrapnel> Saeryn: yes.
[03:40] <subcool> could someone help us with sound?
[03:41] <Saeryn> frame45: It depends on your encryption scheme :)
[03:41] <jwcarman_> Jordan_U, if I'm in the sudo group, I can do anything I want as long as I provide a password, right?
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> frame45:  ages ago /boot/  was a common thing to have in its own partition. not so common these days
[03:41] <maxone> what's nvm- 10 more mintures?
[03:41] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: oh they added a new group sudo?  it was admin
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> frame45:  in some special cases its real handy
[03:41] <jwcarman_> I think they renamed it
[03:41] <jwcarman_> looking...
[03:41] <Saeryn> frame45: Mine is a little more complex. I use one where /boot is on it's own among other things.
[03:42] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Try killing the process and restarting it?
[03:42] <jwcarman_> yep, it has been renamed
[03:42] <jwcarman_> no more group called "admin"
[03:42] <frame45> Saeryn & Dr_Willis: thanks
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> i have a large /boot/ partition - because i segtt up grub2 to boot differnt iso files that i keep on /boot/ which is on  a seperate hard drive then my main install
[03:42] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: oh then almost anyone that upgrades would have this problem
[03:42] <jwcarman_> Dr_Willis: you don't have to have the /boot partition anymore?  You can just put that crap on the / partition?
[03:43] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: this is a fresh install
[03:43] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: no idea how the heck this happened
[03:43] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: If you're using a Full Disk Encryption scheme where everything is encrypted except /boot you can't :)
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> jwcarman_:  you can. but in m y case i got /boot/ on sda by itself. (with windows  after it) linux is on sdb. I can boot a ubuntu iso file from sda and reinstall to sdb -- very fastg ;)
[03:43] <jwcarman_> sacarlson: I'm hoping it wasn't some dorked up update that did it
[03:43] <sacarlson> jwcarman_: well as long as there is a solution
[03:43] <frame45> Dr_Willis: I kinda followed @matthartley 's how to from the Linux Action Show
[03:44] <shrapnel> Saeryn: connection should be stable now. yes, using 12.04.
[03:44] <jwcarman_> Dr_Willis: very cool.  I've got my /boot as a separate 512MB partition on my SSD too
[03:44] <jwcarman_> don't run windoze "natively" anymore
[03:44] <jwcarman_> "off to vm land with you, windoze"
[03:45] <frame45> jwcarman: fixing to do that myself
[03:45] <Saeryn> shrapnel: Ok, I'd inquire to someone a little more experienced with 12.04 I have yet to take that endevour. Sounds like it could be an issue relating to that :)
[03:45] <jwcarman_> only thing that held me back was work, but they won't set me up on a proper vm anyway
[03:45] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: Off-Topic
[03:45] <shrapnel> Saeryn: thanks anyway.
[03:46] <jwcarman_> I can't find a cisco client that provides the ability to do RSA SecureID for linux
[03:46] <maxone> help?!
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[03:46] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: Do you have a question relating to support for Ubuntu?
[03:46] <acu_> how can I add users in gnome3
[03:46] <ekaj> Is there a way to install Ubuntu on an IDE drive connected to my Windows computer via a USB port?
[03:46] <subcool> maxone, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> acu_:  quick  way - use the terminal ' sudo adduser billgates' (or similer
[03:47] <jwcarman_> Saeryn: perhaps I'm hanging around to help someone else
[03:47] <Saeryn> maxone: What is your issue?
[03:47] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: THen stay on topic please :)
[03:47] <jwcarman_> Saeryn: will do.  sorry for the chatter
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> ekaj:  ive done full installs to usb hard drives befor,  then moved them over to other pcs'  should work. if you are sure to put grub on thembr of the usb  hd.
[03:47] <Saeryn> No worries :)
[03:47] <jwcarman_> :)
[03:48] <PoorCollegeKid> trying to backup my comp. which folders do i need to choose if i want to backup apps, ppas, and settings?
[03:48] <ekaj> Dr_Willis That's the goal =] I am just not sure how to install to the USB drive with a .iso, though...
[03:48] <jwcarman_> acu_: if you're looking for a more graphical way, just go to system settings -> User accounts  and click the "+" button at the bottom
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> ekaj: i tend to put the iso on a bootable flash  drive.. boot it. then insgttall to the other usb  hd.
[03:48] <subcool> can i partition a 32gb usb to make available 32bit and 64bit (k)ubuntu images or anything more?
[03:49] <easypi> how would i restart the shell?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> subcool:  using grub2 and some guides. you can make a multi iso booting  usb  flash tht can boot either iso.
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> subcool:  pendrive linux web  site has tools to automate thata also
[03:49] <acu_> howcan I remove history from root ?
[03:49] <subcool> awesome Dr_Willis
[03:49] <Saeryn> subcool: I'd use a Search Engine.
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> acu_:  historycommand  has the option to clear it.
[03:50] <easypi> this program needs to be restarted. i'm either doing it right and the program just doesn't work or i'm restarting shell the wrong way.
[03:50] <ekaj> Dr_Willis: I don't think the computer supports booting to a USB drive, that's the problem.
[03:50] <Saeryn> acu_: man history
[03:50] <sacarlson> subcool: or you an boot an iso file direct from your hard disk,  it will boot much faster
[03:50] <subcool> Dr_Willis, idk about pendrive, between that and netboot - the USB's i've made already are SLOWWW- the only one that works fast is the one used in ubuntu/kubuntu themselves
[03:50] <Saeryn> ekaj: That dependson the BIOS settings usually.
[03:51] <ekaj> Saeryn It's not in the BIOS, but I'll double check.
[03:51] <subcool> sacarlson, so you saying have customs settings on the USB and then have it pull the image off the HDD?
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> ekaj  you could set up  a 1gb partion on the hard drive. and set up grub2 on it to boot the iso on that partiton. then move it to tghe other pc.. boot the hd/iso and install to the rest of the hd. but thats a bit advanced
[03:51] <jwcarman_> acu_: perhaps remove /root/.bash_history?
[03:51] <Saeryn> ekaj: You should be able to change the boot order vis-a-vis the BIOS, most systems with a USB Port support it.
[03:51] <ekaj> Yeah, there's no support or USB devices and I'm out of CDs.
[03:52] <sacarlson> subcool: well you could modify the seetings on the hard disk that adds an iso or multi iso boots from hard disk
[03:52] <Saeryn> ekaj: Can you give me the model of your machine? I can perform a double-check for you.
[03:52] <subcool> interesting, ill give it a look sooner or later- still trying to recover like 5 computers.. from the closet.. ugh
[03:52] <ekaj> I'll try to get a laptop and boot from a USB drive, then install Ubuntu to the USB external drive... I've had problems with that in the past, however.
[03:52] <subcool> later
[03:53] <qak> i'm having trouble googling for info about the /run filesystem, what sets it up on my system, etc.
[03:53] <jwcarman_> when creating a USB boot device, should it sit there for a long time on "Installing the bootloader..."?
[03:53] <jwcarman_> nevermind, it just finished
[03:53] <jwcarman_> :)
[03:53] <Saeryn> jwcarman_: It can seem as if it's stalled for a while, just give it a bit.
[03:53] <Saeryn> Ah ok, good.
[03:54] <jwcarman_> setting that up now in case I get into trouble again later
[03:54] <Saeryn> qak: Are you wanting to learn more about the process or do you have a specific issue you need support with?
[03:54] <ekaj> Saeryn: Where can  find he model#? It's  a Dell OptiPlex GX50 Series w/ Phones ROM BIOS Plus V. 1.10 A06
[03:55] <Saeryn> ekaj That would be the model :)
[03:55] <ekaj> Ah =p
[03:56] <Saeryn> ekaj: You're correct, USB Boot options weren't supported until the GX260
[03:57] <qak> Saeryn: one part curiosity; one part wondering if i start using /run/shm, whether something will swoop in and reclaim it or something .... just noticed /var/run is a link tho, ...
[03:58] <escott> qak, /var/run is going away in most distros
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> i recall reading somthing about the trend to move to /run/ to allow /var/ to get mounte read only or somthing.. i cant even rember where i read it at. May been atg the askubuntu.com site
[03:59] <qak> escott: really? how do i find out about such things? is this an lsb idea?
[04:00] <Saeryn> qak http://askubuntu.com/questions/57297/why-has-var-run-been-migrated-to-run
[04:00] <Saeryn> qak: That may help answer your question.
[04:00] <escott> Dr_Willis, qak, (poetterings blog is a good source) it is now a requirement for fedora/systemd, but its being driven by usage and having /var be a proper fs mountpoint with well defined semantics
[04:00] <Saeryn> If it doesn't the links provided as references definitely will.
[04:01]  * qak realizes he's about to turn into a pumpkin
[04:01] <motherbrain> ok is there away to determine which ubuntu kernel is based on which linux kernel... since I want to compare the linux kernel it was coded from the the ubuntu finished kernel is there anyway to know which on is which
[04:02] <qak> Saeryn: ty
[04:04] <swine_> hey, what would cause the pre-start section of an upstart configuration not to run ?
[04:05] <Jordan_U> motherbrain: The way that Debian source packages work is that you have an original tar.gz from upstream + patches to get the package. Simply download the source package.
[04:05] <sacarlson> motherbrain: even a single version of ubuntu may have a few versions of the kernel available,  I guess the iso file release will only have 2 or so in each release
[04:05] <jwcarman_> so, if they want the "root" system to be mounted read-only, would you have to set it up as read-write to install new software?  Or when they say "root" they mean the operating system itself, not any add-on software?
[04:06] <jwcarman_> that last question was wrt the /var/run -> /run page
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> youd have to go to r-w to install/do system config changes. then lock it back down
[04:07] <ekaj> Any idea why UNetBootin and LiLo aren't making my USB device bootable?
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> sort of the point is having a 'read only' system for another layer of security
[04:07] <swine_> hey, what would cause the pre-start section of an upstart configuration not to run ?
[04:07] <qak> jwcarman_: `mount -o remount,rw /`
[04:07] <ekaj> I get stuck at the "SYSLINUX 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD Copyright..." page
[04:07] <jwcarman_> Would they expect "normal" users to do that?
[04:07] <motherbrain> yes "even a single version of ubuntu may have a few versions of the kernel available" but is there away to determine which linux kernel version they where derived from
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> ekaj:  the pendrive linux website has other tools that may work
[04:09] <ekaj> Thanks Willis, I'll try Universal USB Installer.
[04:10] <swine_> anyone ?
[04:10] <qak> motherbrain: afaik the version number (x.x.x) of the kernel pkg and `uname` would be the same as kernel.org; for the patches applied from vanilla, look at the pkg contents or source
[04:10] <sacarlson> motherbrain: I found this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Table_of_versions
[04:11] <Jordan_U> ekaj: If other tools fail it's probably an issue with Syslinux (specific to your hardare and likely due to a bug in your firmware rather than a bug in Syslinux). Because of that 1: You might get better help in #syslinux and 2: You might be able to make something which boots on your machine by using GRUB instead of Syslinux.
[04:12] <ekaj> Syslinux?
[04:12] <ekaj> Ahh okay
[04:12] <ekaj> I've tried two different programs that used Syslinux, however
[04:14] <motherbrain> O, wait a minute I forgot uname -r shows the version but does this version corrospond to the linux kernel version it was derived from or its ubuntu kernel version because if it is the linux one then I know I can just download the ubuntu source based on that
[04:15] <swine_> am i invisible ?
[04:15] <escott> jwcarman_, the big usage is in virtualized systems. a read only image of the vm base with a few read-write and vm specific filesystems on top of it
[04:15] <jagginess> motherbrain, distros get their kernels from kernels.org, and then they make some modifications.. these modifications are packaged in the source repositories
[04:16] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:16] <motherbrain> ok so then the uname -r gives me what linux kernel it was derived from
[04:16] <Abhijit> how to uncompress .gz file using terminal
[04:16] <jagginess> motherbrain, you should ask on #linux (you're asking really generic questions not related to ubuntu)
[04:17] <jagginess> motherbrain, no.
[04:17] <qak> motherbrain: if, eg. `uname -r` returns 3.2.0-24-generic as mine does, then look at kernel.org's 3.2.0 vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/kernel-image-3.2.0-24-generic-di
[04:17] <motherbrain> no matter if I am on a ubuntu , or debian , or backtracks ,...etc
[04:17] <joallard>  rice
[04:17] <jagginess> motherbrain, i'm on #linux.. ask me on there (others can help too)
[04:17] <phanindraramesh> Abhijit, usr the tar command
[04:17] <qak> motherbrain: ... that url has a link "download pkg source"
[04:17] <Abhijit> phanindraramesh, tar is for tar.gz
[04:17] <Saeryn> Abhijit: man tar
[04:17] <Saeryn> Ah
[04:17] <sacarlson> motherbrain: the tags in git should show all the versions available
[04:17] <Abhijit> Saeryn,  tar is for tar.gz
[04:18] <Saeryn> Abhijit: man gzip
[04:19] <Abhijit> Saeryn, yes. that worked. thanks.
[04:19] <Saeryn> Welcome.
[04:19] <sacarlson> motherbrain: ubuntu has it's own git, I'm not sure if kernel.org has all the tags of ubuntu patches
[04:20] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:21] <Wingede> if you modify a logrotate application file setting do you need to restart logrotate?
[04:21] <qak> phanindraramesh: apt-cache search libpgm.*
[04:23] <phanindraramesh> qak, "libpgm-5.1-0 - OpenPGM shared library ,libpgm-dbg - OpenPGM debugging symbols,libpgm-dev - OpenPGM development files" this is the output. All these three packages are installed already
[04:25] <qak> phanindraramesh: hmm
[04:26] <phanindraramesh> qak, what can be the solution?
[04:26] <qak> phanindraramesh: i'd check the output of `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`
[04:30] <phanindraramesh> qak, ok.
[04:33] <kosko> i have ssh connection to a box wich has a connection to vnc box, what is the best way to have vnc connection from my box to vnc box through the ssh box?
[04:36] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:36] <jagginess> kosko, vnc sux
[04:37] <jagginess> kosko, use this instead http://www.nomachine.com/preview/select-package-virtual-desktop-workstation.php?os=linux (then https://<ip>:4080  or use the binary client )(to use binary client, be sure to install ssh server)
[04:39] <Nogal> Hey everyone... I have a basic question and I'm not sure where to ask it. I have quite a bit of experience developing desktop applications for Windows and I would like to get started with linux.
[04:39] <Nogal> I mainly used BASIC (and some variants) and I understand that Python would be a good choice of a new language. Can someone point me in the correct direction to get myself started?
[04:39] <andrewaclt> Nogal, http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
[04:39] <andrewaclt> err maybe that's not hte best
[04:40] <andrewaclt> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers
[04:43] <jagginess> Nogal, gambas
[04:43] <jagginess> Nogal, it's awesome http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html
[04:46] <Nogal> what would you say about Eclipse?
[04:47] <james-ubc> somewhat stupid question but what's the command to launch xterm?
[04:47] <james-ubc> as in a new teriman window
[04:47] <james-ubc> im trying to set a shortcut
[04:47] <Nogal> james, CTRL, ALT T
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> xterm runs a term
[04:48] <james-ubc> Nogal: im on gnome 3,
[04:48] <james-ubc> shell
[04:48] <Nogal> alt f2 iIRC
[04:48] <james-ubc> bash xterm not found :/
[04:48] <n1ckn4me09876543> Can Windows7  Network Discovery  see Linux OS?
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> !info  xterm
[04:49] <cipher__> can anyone help me get ubuntu 4.x working on 11.10?
[04:49] <cipher__> err, opengl 4.x
[04:50] <wereHamster> how can I get apt-get upgrade to automatically apply package configuration changes? It's for use in a script
[04:50] <james-ubc> ehh nvm found it, it's gnome-terminal
[04:50] <james-ubc> thx
[04:54] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[04:55] <wereHamster> phanindraramesh: install the pgm library ... ?
[04:56] <Erika_Mustermann> Hallo
[04:56] <phanindraramesh> wereHamster, I installed libpgm-5.1-0 - OpenPGM shared library ,libpgm-dbg - OpenPGM debugging symbols,libpgm-dev - OpenPGM development files
[04:57] <wereHamster> phanindraramesh: what about gcc [pkg-config stuf...] -Wall -g ... -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c ?
[04:57] <Goshen> I am trying to use NX over Hamachi, I have NXserver isntalled and I can log in localhost, and over the LAN, but when I try to log in over hamachi it refuses the connection.  I can use normal SSH over Hamachi.  Any Ideas? Is there a config I need to edit to get NXserver to allow logins from the Hamachi ip?
[04:57] <sacarlson> wereHamster: I think you add the -y param to apt-get to force yes
[04:57] <phanindraramesh> gcc -v
[04:58] <phanindraramesh> wereHamster, gcc-4.6.3, pkg-config 0.26
[04:59] <sacarlson> cipher__: did you look in ppa if they have that version avalable for 11.10?
[05:00] <wereHamster> sacarlson: no, -y does not fix it.
[05:00] <wereHamster> sacarlson: I'm trying -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" now
[05:01] <sacarlson> wereHamster: if like mysql it needs values to login then I'm not sure
[05:02] <wereHamster> why would any package need a mysql login?
[05:04] <rango_> I want to study qt, but nokia has abandoned symbian, any advices?
[05:05] <phanindraramesh> wereHamster, I installed gcc-4.6.3, pkg-config 0.26
[05:05] <shanky_ty> well qt is not only for symbian  but also for cross platform dev
[05:05] <shanky_ty> moreover nokia hasnt abandoned symbian
[05:06] <Erika_Mustermann> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbugtuChannelGuard  Where can I find the source for this bot?
[05:08] <rango_> i got it, thanks
[05:08] <wereHamster> phanindraramesh: I saw that. Now try putting the pkgconfig stuff *before* the source file, like I suggested
[05:09] <bavani> Hai everyone!
[05:10] <phanindraramesh> gcc `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs openpgm-5.1` -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c has given the same error
[05:10] <phanindraramesh> wereHamster, gcc `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs openpgm-5.1` -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c has given the same error
[05:11] <wereHamster> phanindraramesh: why do you have the slash between the pkgconfig stuff?
[05:12] <Erika_Mustermann> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbugtuChannelGuard  Anyone know where can I find the source for this bot?
[05:13] <phanindraramesh> wereHamster, It is the way to compile as suggested for GTK programs in http://developer.gnome.org/gtk-tutorial/2.90/x111.html.
[05:14] <flyingcoding> how to chat in irc under terminal?
[05:14] <flyingcoding> how to chat on irc under terminal?
[05:14] <chu> flyingcoding: Check out `irssi'
[05:14] <rango_> clear
[05:14] <rango_> \clear
[05:15] <rango_> done
[05:15] <wereHamster> phanindraramesh: ah. you don't seem to know how a shell works. Ubuntu likely has a tutorial, you might want to read it
[05:15] <N3WB13> hi firefox don't open someone know how fix it? >.<
[05:15] <OerHeks> Erika_Mustermann, according to > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots > the code is here >>> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel
[05:15] <wereHamster> understanding how a shell works is *really* important if you want to work with it...
[05:16] <Erika_Mustermann> OerHeks: Thanks!
[05:16] <sacarlson> N3WB13: install it?  if installed try run in a term to see what errors you see
[05:16] <eagle_eye> !shell | phanindraramesh
[05:17] <bryce> i was wondering how to stream media to my ps3 from my desktop through ubuntu studio 12.04
[05:17] <bryce> can anyone help?
[05:17] <shanky_ty> try vlc ..?
[05:17] <bryce> is it in the repos?
[05:18] <sacarlson> bryce: shanky_ty: I agree vlc will stream
[05:18] <bavani> yes it is in the repos
[05:18] <shanky_ty> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
 i did have reinstall it but it still don't open, only appers the icon and it's auto-close XD
[05:18] <sacarlson> N3WB13: again try in term
[05:19] <bryce> so i should just be able to apt-get and it will unpack itself?... sorry im a turbo noob.
[05:19] <bavani> you can get it installed via the Software manager
[05:19] <sacarlson> N3WB13: could be a bad plugin or ?? you might have to clear or move it's default directory
[05:20] <shanky_ty> yup
[05:20] <bryce> thanks a bunch shanky.
[05:20] <shanky_ty> well as bavani said u can install it with Softwre manger
[05:20] <N3WB13> yes i add a greasymokey bad plugin and firefox leave to work XD
[05:22] <phanindraramesh> hai all, when I try to compile the C file using " gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O   -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" I am getting the error "gcc: error:  -lpgm: No such file or directory". anybody please help
[05:23] <K-Lab> mronin
[05:23] <sacarlson> N3WB13: you could try in a term $mv .mozilla .mozilla_backup;  and try again
[05:23] <K-Lab> mornin
[05:24] <N3WB13> sacarlson, thanks for the tip
[05:24] <Goshen> I am trying to use NX over Hamachi, I have NXserver isntalled and I can log in localhost, and over the LAN, but when I try to log in over hamachi it refuses the connection.  I can use normal SSH over Hamachi.  Any Ideas? Is there a config I need to edit to get NXserver to allow logins from the Hamachi ip?
[05:25] <jest3r> does 12.04 desktop cd not include the ubuntu-desktop package?
[05:25] <sacarlson> Goshen: what application or port is it you are failing to access over hamachi?
[05:25] <bavani> phanindraramesh : Try reinstalling the lib "pgm 5.1"
[05:26] <sacarlson> Goshen: apache?  port 80?
[05:26] <Goshen> sacarlson, Nomachine NX port 22
[05:26] <sacarlson> Goshen: you just stated that ssh works that's 22 so can't be that
[05:27] <Goshen> sacarlson, right, SSH works over hamachi, but I get login denied using NX client
[05:27] <surt> It's probably obvious, or at least basic, but does anyone know why a fresh install of lubuntu 12.04 requires root permission to mount usb devices?
[05:27] <Erika_Mustermann> OerHeks: Hmmm, I can't find the flood protection or badwords protection plugins on that launchpad site.  Thanks though
[05:27] <sacarlson> Goshen: I don't know what an NX client is, what port it uses?
[05:27] <stantona> I'm attempting to boot ubuntu from USB on a macbook pro, and I'm getting a no such partition grub rescue error. Any ideas?
[05:27] <Jordan_U> surt: They should be mounted automatically, without root priveleges required.
[05:28] <Goshen> sacarlson, port 22 - ssh: connect to host 5.3.**.*** port 22: Connection refused
[05:28] <sacarlson> Goshen: oh maybe all remote ssh fails?
[05:28] <Jordan_U> stantona: How did you create the bootable USB drive?
[05:28] <Goshen> sacarlson, I can log in using putty on SSH no problem
[05:28] <docmur> how do I generate the escape character in telnet?
[05:28] <sacarlson> Goshen: see that ssh-server is listening on your 5.*.*.* address
[05:29] <sacarlson> Goshen: putty from remote?
[05:29] <surt> Jordan_U: Yes that's right. That's why I'm asking.
[05:29] <Goshen> sacarlson, yes, I am logged in to SSH remotely over hamachi
[05:29] <bryce> so i have installed vlc and now want to sync with my playstation and have access to my videos. how do i do that?
[05:29] <stantona> Jordan_U: I followed the instructions on the site to created a bootable USB, using hdiutil to convert iso to img, etc.
[05:30] <bryce> Stantona try using md5sum command in terminal
[05:30] <Goshen> sacarlson, It seems to be something to do with NXSERVER not listening or allowing connections on the hamachi ip
[05:30] <sacarlson> Goshen: so I guess the problem is on your client side of ??  system remote
[05:30] <bryce> the compare output with ubuntu hash directory
[05:31] <Jordan_U> stantona: Ahh, that makes sense. Try following the directions here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell
[05:31] <sacarlson> Goshen: I assumed that ubuntu was the ssh-server,  so I'm reversed?  you can't as a client from ubuntu login to the ssh-server on hamachi?
[05:32] <sacarlson> Goshen: do you use a dns name or an ip address?
[05:32] <bryce> why aren't you using Unetbootin?
[05:32] <bryce> Stantona?
[05:33] <flyingrain> I am using irssi .But I don't really know how to config it.Is there a better way?
[05:33] <Goshen> sacarlson, ubuntu is the SSH-server, it is also the NXSERVER, running hamachi, the client is windows, NXclient, over hamachi.....I am using the hamachi ip address
[05:33] <Jordan_U> bryce: Unetbootin doesn't support making an EFI bootable disk, and the BIOS implementation in most macs doesn't support booting from USB.
[05:33] <Goshen> sacarlson, NX is a remote desktop app, like VNC but much faster
[05:34] <Goshen> sacarlson, it tunnels over SSH
[05:34] <stantona> bryce: mac os doesn't have md5sum, just getting it now. good suggestion tho.
[05:34] <Jordan_U> stantona: Are you sure? Last I checked macs did come with an md5sum command by default.
[05:35] <N3WB13> firefox don't execute by the direct acces only clicking diretcly
[05:35] <bryce> sorry guys, haven't ever touched a mac in my life.
[05:35] <eagle_eye> !ot | bryce
[05:37] <tomvolek> hi all,  i have some entries in the crontab , it was all working, but all of a sudden i noticed none have been running. what could be the cause ?
[05:38] <sacarlson> Goshen: I don't see any nxserver in the ubuntu repository so I guess it's not supported,  but sounds like your network must be setup correct as ssh works
[05:38] <flyingcoding> Is mac a better system to develop web application?
[05:38] <stantona> Jordan_U: actually you're right, md5, not md5sum. Not a mac expert.
[05:38] <eagle_eye> !ot | flyingcoding
[05:39] <flyingcoding> I am sorry
[05:39] <gogeta> bi
[05:39] <gogeta> ?
[05:39] <stantona> bryce: Jordan_U: checksum is good.
[05:40] <keith_> "goodbye"
[05:40] <Jordan_U> stantona: Do you understand the guide I linked to?
[05:40] <sacarlson> Goshen: might check sudo netstat -pant ; to see that your nxserver is listening unless it uses udp then skip the -pant
[05:40] <Wingede> stantona: os x does have md5sum, but it just is md5
[05:40] <stantona> Jordan_U: Just looking now.
[05:41] <stantona> Wingede: yep just discovered that :)
[05:41] <Wingede> stantona: typical apple to be different to everyone else
[05:41] <gogeta> think different
[05:42] <Wingede> think ubuntu
[05:43] <Goshen> sacarlson, I don't think nxserver watches directly for a connection, I think the connection is made after the ssh session for user nx starts using keys
[05:43] <gogeta> the room is dead
[05:44] <surt> so...is it true linux interest has peaked?
[05:44] <gogeta> sur		
[05:44] <tanka32> O.o
[05:44] <gogeta> sur
[05:45] <gogeta> lol cant tab
[05:45] <stantona> Wingede: totally, it's annoying.
[05:46] <surt> Yeah I read somewhere interest in linux, as a whole, has peaked, and is now dropping.
[05:46] <N3WB13> ubuntu think free ? XD
[05:46] <tanka32> terrible
[05:46] <Jordan_U> !ot | surt
[05:46] <william0> hi all, is there any free unix server in the net for study? i mean to study something like shell, python. and so on
[05:46] <surt> Oh.
[05:46] <N3WB13> :B
[05:47] <gogeta> surt: it will come back wen windows 8 comes out
[05:47] <Chuck_Norris> aloha all :D
[05:47] <Chuck_Norris> *cricket sounds*
[05:50] <sddhrthrt> hey people. I access internut through a proxy. I have set the IP in the proxy ettings and have applied it system-wide. even echo $http_proxy gives the ip address. but no commands work :/ like apt-get.
[05:52] <eagle_eye> tuxgeek: are you here?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> i thought apt had its own proxy settings in /etc/apt/
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> sddhrthrt:  you set what variable  to what value exactly?
[05:54] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: i set the proxy settings in the gui. then applied system-wide
[05:55] <sddhrthrt> and when i do echo $http_proxy gives http://ipaddress:port/
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> you sure its not $HTTP_PROXY ?
[05:56] <jake___> q
[05:56] <jake___> +i
[05:56] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: should it be?
[05:56] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: i'm sure it's not.
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> sddhrthrt:  Case Matters. thats why i am asking
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> Most of the time enviroment variables are in all upper case
[05:56] <sddhrthrt> i didn't set that variable
[05:56] <sddhrthrt> it was set when i set the proxy in the Proxy Settings Gui.
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> so does a browser line 'lynx' work?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> 'lynx google.com' from a terminal. and see
[05:57] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: i don't have it, it's a new install :D
[05:57] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: and i' can't install :D
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> apt may not take tht proxy setting. i thought apt had its own proxy setting in /etc/apt somewhere
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> do other gui apps work like firefox?
[05:59] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: oh yeah. you are right about that. so when i use the synaptic gui and install, it installs!
[05:59] <sddhrthrt> with the SAME proxy settings :/ perplexed
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> the apt-get command can have its own proxy perhaps. or has a setting to yse the 'ssytem' proxy
[06:00] <sddhrthrt> no, Dr_Willis. even easy_install or pip install doesn't work.
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> never heard of easy_insall or 'pip'
[06:00] <sddhrthrt> i didn't know there are separate proxy settings for terminal aplications and for gui applications!
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> the aps themeselfs have to handle the   use of the proxy settings.
[06:00] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: well, you must be new to linux then :D they are python package managers
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> I dont do python.
[06:01] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: ah :)
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> ive used linux and unix for 12+ years
[06:01] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: well, the last time i saw, apt-get and pip fetched proxy from the system settings
[06:01] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: gosh. i've been only for 3 years :D
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> i normally set my apt proxy in its configs in /etc/ to use my apt-cacher server
[06:02] <PC-X69> 。。。。
[06:02] <PC-X69> good
[06:03] <sddhrthrt> Dr_Willis: well, i'm surprised anywa. never had troubles when i set proxy in both system settings and synaptic. now, i'll have to mess with config files again.
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> whats the  valus of the $HTTP_PROXY vairable if its set?
[06:03] <Chuck_Norris> =0 Dr_Willis have used linux and unix for 12+ years =0 nice to meet you sir, i only have 4 ubuntu years :(
[06:03] <sddhrthrt> HTTP_PROXY settings is empty, http_proxy is set.
[06:03] <sddhrthrt> to http://someip:port/
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> I thought the variable was all upper case. but i may be wrong..
[06:04] <sddhrthrt> ok, i set the uppercase variable also.
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> docs say it lower case.. and How are you running the apt-get command:?
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[06:06] <Sav1or> Which way to 1st grade history?
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> mentions that you need to do it a specific way. or set some other variable first
[06:08] <saponempotenti> hello :)
[06:17] <NeoMorph4000> what can I do to speed up my pentium 4 with 512MB ram on ubuntu 11.10?
[06:18] <bkerensa> NeoMorph4000: switch to Unity 2D although thats being removed in later versions or add more RAM
[06:18] <eagle_eye> NeoMorph4000: add more ram...?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> moar ramz!
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> or try lubuntu
[06:19] <DarwinSurvivor> NeoMorph4000: I've seen ubuntu run on some fairly slow hardware, 90% of the time there are performance issues, it's lack or RAM
[06:20] <DarwinSurvivor> NeoMorph4000: and it's not even entirely ubuntu's fault. firefox and thunderbird both like about 200MB each on their own
[06:21] <ehmatthes> Trying to troubleshoot a networking issue.  Can anyone 'ping s1.runtime.heroku.com'?
[06:21] <DarwinSurvivor> ehmatthes: unknown host
[06:22] <DarwinSurvivor> ehmatthes: how old is the domain? Domains take about 24 hours to propagate through the DNS systems of the world
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> domains take 24 hrs to spread world wide.. but viruses can do it in much shorter time.. ;)
[06:23] <ehmatthes> DarwinSurvivor I could connect to it in March, trying again to establish connection.
[06:23] <alusion> How can I clear all printing jobs from terminal
[06:23] <NeoMorph4000> cheers
[06:23] <DarwinSurvivor> ehmatthes: I'm not getting a connection error, I'm getting a *DNS* error. Basically, that subdomain is no longer in existance in the DNS system
[06:23] <NeoMorph4000> Yeah, need to add more ram and ditch firefox
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> alusion:  'lpq'  to see them and i think lprm or some other lp* commands
[06:23] <NeoMorph4000> Looking at chromium
[06:24] <NeoMorph4000> I'm looking at dropping unity altogether and maybe moving to xubuntu.
[06:24] <DarwinSurvivor> NeoMorph4000: depending on what sites you visit, addblock-plus and noscript will make a HUGE difference (they do for me)
[06:24] <alusion> thanks !
[06:24] <DarwinSurvivor> xubuntu doesn't use a whole lot less resources than standard ubuntu, lubuntu does though
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> NeoMorph4000: lubuntu would be lighter.  but its still the apps that will be sucking down the most ram.
[06:25] <fidel> ahoi
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> you could always go  just a window manager. :) for lightest you can get
[06:25] <ghostlbc562> hello
[06:25] <ehmatthes> Thanks, I'll check if there's an updated address.
[06:25] <tanka32> fluxbox pretty light gui
[06:25] <ghostlbc562> I am trying to install ubuntu 12.04 to my laptop but i get a blurry screen upon booting from usb, can anyone help me?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset
[06:26] <DarwinSurvivor> openbox is also *very* light, but as Dr_Willis said, apps make the *biggest* difference by far
[06:26] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: you have your glasses on right...?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> blurry - or currupted?
[06:27] <ghostlbc562> corrupted
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> what video chipset?
[06:27] <ghostlbc562> i haz image if needed
[06:27] <ghostlbc562> nvidia
[06:27] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: if you have an image, go ahead and post it
[06:27] <ghostlbc562> darwinsurvivor, yes i do
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> try nomodeset option, untill you get the  nvidia drivers installed
[06:27] <ghostlbc562> ok one sec
[06:27] <ghostlbc562> its taken with iphone so bear with me
[06:29] <ghostlbc562> do i just post it or something?
[06:29] <DarwinSurvivor> !pastebin
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> step 1 will be trying the  nomodeset option anyway. ;)
[06:30] <DarwinSurvivor> may as well try nomodeset while you're trying doing the screenshot
[06:30] <NeoMorph4000> sorry it's off topic, but how can i bookmark/favourite all currenty open channels
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> NeoMorph4000:  totlly depen ds on the irc client
[06:30] <NeoMorph4000> mirc
[06:30] <NeoMorph4000> sorry
[06:30] <the_drow> Is there a way to start a GUI app before the login screen?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> see mirc docs..
[06:30] <fidel> NeoMorph4000: some clients allow to setup extra-commands while starting
[06:30] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: basically, 1) use nomodeset 2) install proprietary drivers 3) disable nomodeset 4) see if it's fixed
[06:30] <josafath> J
[06:30] <fidel> like that you could add all current channels manually to your irc client startup routine
[06:31] <ghostlbc562> darwinsurvivor, http://imagebin.org/215306
[06:31] <the_drow> I want to start a configuration utility once before the first login that will allow the logged in user to configure the system.
[06:31] <fidel> NeoMorph4000: how - that depends on the irc client/sw you are using
[06:31] <nimrod10_> anyone had any luck with usb2vga(sisusbvga) in 12.04 ?
[06:31] <juhaaa> Can someone give little hint, how i can update NFS-common & nfs-kernel-server, i have upgraded 10.04 -> 12.04 and NFS performance is very poor and when i try update NFS packages, ill get this "The following packages have been kept back:   nfs-common nfs-kernel-server"
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> nimrod10_:  made by the 'sis' company?
[06:32] <nimrod10_> Dr_Willis, made by startech.com
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> juhaaa:  try a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:32] <juhaaa> Dr_Willis: i did, no help :(
[06:32] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: yep, looks like a nomodeset situation to me
[06:32] <nimrod10_> Dr_Willis, I'm already at the latest of everything
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> nimrod10_:  Hmm.not herd of them. anytime you see 'SiS' mentioned  in relation  to linux.. its rarely good..
[06:33] <ixx> is padevchooser gone from 12.04?  docs refer to it... packages suggest it on install... but i can not find it via apt-cache search, etc
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> you could remove and reinstll the packages nimrod10_
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> oops that was for juhaaa  ;)
[06:33] <juhaaa> Dr_Willis: http://pastebin.com/DFYRMpRn
[06:33] <nimrod10_> Dr_Willis, I was able to get the display to show at 1280x1024 but I can't move windows between screens
[06:33] <juhaaa> dr_willis, That i haven´t tested :) will do
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> nimrod10_:  you need to  enable xinerama perhaps
[06:34] <ghostlbc562> DarwinSurvivor, upon booting i hit Tab Key, and typed nomodeset and still same thing
[06:35] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: what what type of monitor (crt/lcd/plasma) and what type of connection (vga/hdmi/dvi/display-port)?
[06:36] <ghostlbc562> DarwinSurvivor: its a laptop so i think its lcd and the connection i think is vga im not sure
[06:36] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: ok, nvm then (was thinking a hardware issue)
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> ghostlbc562:  this is a live-cd you are tsting with? or an  instgalled systm?
[06:37] <ghostlbc562> Dr_Willis: i am trying to install from usb
[06:37] <ghostlbc562> so live cd?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> ghostlbc562:  ok. im not ure how you enabled nomodeset then...  you use the options  under the 'f5' or 'f6' key when booting like the guide shows i  belive
[06:37] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: if the display is "usable" can you get to the desktop and try installing the proprietary drivers, then logging out/in (NOT rebooting)?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset
[06:39] <ghostlbc562> DarwinSurvivor: Well I can't really see what im doing since it looks all effed up and stuff
[06:40] <ghostlbc562> DarwinSurvivor: i can try and see if i can get it to install
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> i  recall you tap the  space key like a tap dancer on   caffine as it boots and one  of  the very very firt image/screens - shows a  man and keyboard. spaxcce there gets you go the  options  screens where under f5 or f6 is the  nomodeset option
[06:40] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: ok, when you get to the main menu of the boot disk (ask to "try", "install", etc), hit F6, then chose "nomodeset"
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> ive even custromized the live-usb installs to make nomodeset the  default
[06:41] <DarwinSurvivor> ghostlbc562: go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 and scroll down to "How to enable kernel options on the livecd (before install)"
[06:41] <reallyrose> Hi, is this channel ok for total newbies? Or is there a channel where you keep the kiddies? :p
[06:42] <ghostlbc562> DarwinSurvivor: ok i will read that
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> we got all levels in  here reallyrose
[06:42] <Pirsch> Hello all. Anyone here familiar with graphics driver problems? My pc says I need Open GL\
[06:42] <DarwinSurvivor> Pirsch: can you quote the exact error/warning you are receiving (and tell us the circumstances)?
[06:43] <paul_> Is there a way to downgrade 12.04 to 10.10?
[06:43] <ohlol> in precise, if i'm running the linux-server kernel, should uname still show -generic?
[06:43] <jussi> paul_: no. reinstall only.
[06:43] <Pirsch> Sure, this comes from a wings_crash.dump........Dump written 2012-6-6_14-27
[06:43] <Pirsch> Version: 1.0.2
[06:43] <Pirsch> Window: "<Unknown Window Name>"
[06:43] <Pirsch> Reason: {"No suitable OpenGL mode found (are OpenGL drivers installed?)",
[06:43] <Pirsch>          [{wings_init,video_mode_failure,0},
[06:43] <Pirsch>           {wings_init,init,0},
[06:43] <Pirsch>           {wings,init,1}]}
[06:43] <FloodBot1> Pirsch: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:43] <DarwinSurvivor> !pastebin | Pirsch
[06:44] <Pirsch> Ok
[06:44] <reallyrose> I have literally just started up ubuntu on a virtual box and now ... I don't know what to do. I'm learning how to program and I'd like to move my programming stuff to ubuntu and do it all there. Would it be possible for someone to point me towards some resources or .. I dunno. I'm all at sea here.
[06:44] <Pirsch> DarwinSurvivor, does what I pasted help?
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> reallyrose:  1000's of ssies out there with info onwhatever soecific topoic you want to learn
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> sites. ;)
[06:45] <paul_> ubuntu.com said there was earlier versions available.  but, I don't see them.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> reallyrose:  what language are you using to program in?
[06:45] <DarwinSurvivor> Pirsch: not really, can you please use paste.ubuntu.com and paste the output there, then send us the url it gives you when you submit it?
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> paul_:  earlier versions of what?
[06:46] <paul_> Ubuntu.
[06:46] <Pirsch> DarwinSurvivor, output of what?
[06:46] <reallyrose> python and a little java. I'm going to give C a go once I get the hang of some linux.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> paul_:  the isos are all  on the servrrs still
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> !download
[06:47] <jussi> Pirsch: he wants the stuff you tried to paste to the channel earlier, but in the pastebin
[06:47] <DarwinSurvivor> Pirsch: what-ever you tried to copy-paste here, pleaes copy-paste it to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <Pirsch> Ah, so it didn't paste. I see
[06:49] <Pirsch> It says I need to install Open GL drivers
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Pirsch:  what video card?
[06:49] <DarwinSurvivor> Pirsch: and where did you get the application?
[06:50] <Pirsch> V-card according to sysinfo = Intel Corp 4 Series Chipset Integrated Controller
[06:50] <ghostlbc562> DarwinSurvivor: i don't get the screen thats on the link you posted i just get one that boots straight to the try from here or install to hard drive
[06:51] <Pirsch> DarwinSurvivor, it's wings3d (synaptic)
[06:51] <stephen> hello!
[06:52] <Guest85714> nick dgivista
[06:52] <Guest85714> help
[06:52] <ghostlbc562> you forgot the / nick
[06:52] <dgivista> ty
[06:52] <ghostlbc562> there you go :D
[06:53] <dgivista> i'm having a problem with programs in ubuntu 12.04 freezing, with the window fading. it happens randomly and for 10-60 seconds or so. i've got ubuntu installed on my macbook. anyone else getting this kind of freezing/fading?
[06:54] <fidel>  dgivista can you reproduce that with specific apps?
[06:54] <dgivista> [wow, it's been soooo long since i've been in irc. such memories flooding back!]
[06:54] <fidel> any pattern?
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> fadeing = going grey when the app hangs and dosent respond. compiz is changeing its color to show you its hung.
[06:54] <dgivista> i can't reproduce it myself at all. it happens randomly and frequently, but only after upgrading to 12.04.
[06:55] <dgivista> yes, dr, that's what i figured the fading meant. brain freeze. it always eventually comes back, but often with only time for 2-3 commands/actions before a freeze again.
[06:55] <totesmuhgoats> hi friends
[06:55] <dgivista> no pattern, fidel. :(
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> dgivista:  check 'dmesg' output in a terminal for any odd error messages for one thing..
[06:55] <totesmuhgoats> so if i do apt-get upgrade, it should only update packages that won't require a reboot, correct?
[06:55] <dgivista> i've kinda been hoping this is very common for 12.04 so i know it's not me. but i'm finding little evidence of a systemic bug.
[06:55] <cipher__> jockey will not install nvidia "accelerated graphics driver (recommended) ", it just claims to have failed and references me to the log file
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> cipher__:  try installing nvidia-current with apt-get from a terminal perhaps
[06:57] <cipher__> Dr_Willis, nvidia_current is installed, but apparently the driver is not activated
[06:57] <cipher__> issues with bumblebee and such
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> bumble bee? You are on your own ;) i dont use that stuff. so no experience with it.
[06:57] <sacarlson> dgivista: I've seen this on 10.04 as it indicates that an application isn't responding over some expected time,  like in firefox
[06:57] <cipher__> Dr_Willis, well, i just need the driver activated first :p.
[06:58] <dgivista> willis: i did a dmesg and got 10 screen fulls of responses. output is very hard for me to read and i've got a unix background. over my head. :)
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> cipher__:  could be its got teh nvidia turned off. so its using the intel driver. and thus wont activate the nvidia untill the nvidia gets turned on
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> dgivista:  it will be the last 12 lines or so
[06:59] <cipher__> Dr_Willis, well, how do i go about doing that? I tried activate via jockey obviously
[06:59] <cipher__> :p
[06:59] <dgivista> sacarlson, thanks. i've seen this freezing in software updater, system monitor, thunderbird and firefox. i never get to a point of running any more programs since there's so much freezing.
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> cipher__:  i dont use  any of those thingss. ;) i just knowwhat ive seen in here. Perhaps  force it on and the other off in bios.
[06:59] <xzpeter> Hi, all. How can I change my default window manager from Metacity to Compiz?
[07:00] <sacarlson> dgivista: I've also seen in at times in nautilus
[07:00] <dgivista> willis: the last dozen lines look like the same kind of stuff as the previous stuff. and it's all greek to me so i can't tell if any of it's odd.
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> xzpeter:  compiz is the default.. what desktop/ubuntu version are you using exactly?
[07:01] <xzpeter> Dr_Willis: Actually I am using LinuxMint 13 Mate...
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> xzpeter:  you should be in the mint channels then
[07:01] <dgivista> i checked for hung processes or processes using all/most of my cpu time: nothing. i've looked at memory and swap usage and they're both low.
 yes just edit the file
[07:01] <tga> hi, I am trying to update to the latest version of this package, but it doesn't show up in my updates
[07:02] <tga> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/xorg-edgers/precise/main/base/xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
[07:02] <spellbreaker> Hello, I have a question, I hope someone can help me. I tried to google a solution, but there are different ones and I don't know which is correct. I simply need to add a device to the drivers/usb/serial/cp210x.c file and recompile the Kernel (12.04 LTS). Can someone give me a hint to the correct documentation?
[07:02] <tga> ideally I'd like it to be handled by apt, not manual install
[07:03] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: PPA's are not supported here, you'll need to contact the owner of the PPA. If the package is available in the official repositories, it's *highly* recommended that you use them instead
[07:03] <tafelpoot> hi yall, I have following proble: I use approx for a local apt proxy but since a few weeks I see errors about Package.lzma which can't be found...
[07:04] <tafelpoot> anyone an idea about what is going wrong on my proxy?
[07:04] <tga> DarwinSurvivor: there's a patch in the original driver that I'm trying to get
[07:04] <tga> it's either PPA or source compile
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> !kernel
[07:04] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: I don't think that can be described as "simply" what device are you having issues with?
[07:05] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: either way, if you aren't getting the newest version in update manager, you need to talk to the PPA maintainer to find out why
[07:06] <tga> DarwinSurvivor: I had totally missed the PPA part, I was living with the impression this was an official update now
[07:06] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: nope, anything in your "sources" list with "PPA" in the name is *not* official.
[07:07] <tga> well, obviously
[07:07] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, I just need to add an additional device&vendor ID ( USB_DEVICE Line), nothing else.
[07:07] <spellbreaker> I'll check the links out
[07:07] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: I don't think ubuntuupdates.com is even an official Ubuntu domain
[07:07] <tga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse/+bug/996821
[07:07] <skramer_> how can I re-activate the Global Menu? for a reason I don´t know, it stopped working on my PC
[07:08] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: what you probably need is a udev rule, what device are you trying to use?
[07:08] <tga> status: 	Triaged → Fix Committed means there isn't an official update out yet, right?
[07:08] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: looking into it..
[07:08] <tanka32> !
[07:08] <hangdeadman> Anybody know anything about a working playstation2 emulator for ubuntu 12.04?
[07:09] <tga> the vmware mouse driver is slightly broken in 12.04, quite annoying
[07:09] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, It's a USB Cable containing a CP210x USB->Serial "converter" chip from Silicon labs.
[07:09] <BWorld> Hey, I changed my hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts but now all domains that are in written without domain like: 'dev' are very slow resolved.. Could this do with the change I made to my hostname? If I use the IP address directly of 'dev' it is fast as normal plus when I use address with a . (dot) it resolves them as fast as normal..
[07:10] <tga> BWorld: check your /etc/resolv.conf
[07:10] <tga> got anything wrong in there?
[07:10] <BWorld> Hmm
[07:10] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: if it's in the repos (as the bug report suggests), then get rid of the PPA and do an update to see if it resolves the issue. Also remember that "fix commited" does NOT mean the fix is in the repos, it only means the *code* has been fixed. that update still needs to make it into the repos
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> !hostname
[07:11] <BWorld> I have: search smart-im and nameserver wich is correct
[07:11] <BWorld> But I changed my hostname to jwiggers.smart-im
[07:11] <BWorld> should I change the 'search' entry to jwiggers.smart-im then?
[07:11] <tga> DarwinSurvivor: the original project has been fixed and there isn't an official update yet
[07:12] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: I have never seen a usb->serial adapter that needed anything further than simply "plug it in". are you getting any errors or anything?
[07:12] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: then you probably just need to sit tight and wait for it to make it down the pipes
[07:13] <tga> or PPA or patch it myself
[07:13] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, It only shows up in lsusb, and the manufacturer told me that I have to add the vendor id and device id into the driver source, because they only manufactured the chip, but the IDs are from the reseller ( Eaton Industries ). The Driver CP210x.C is needed.
[07:13] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: if you go the PPA method, we won't be able to help you here as they are unsupported (we have NO control over what is in a PPA)
[07:13] <tga> right
[07:13] <tga> alright, all clear, thanks
[07:14] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, If you look at the file there are dozens of USB_DEVICES defined already
[07:14] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: can you link us (or copy us) where they said that? I'm 99% sure all you need is a udev rule
[07:14] <domedagen> Anyone good at networking? http://askubuntu.com/questions/146961/slow-speeds-when-using-d-link-dwa-140
[07:15] <spellbreaker> It's an email, which simply says "Add Vendor ID and Device ID to the CP210x.C source file from the Linux Kernel".
[07:15] <hangdeadman> Anybody know of a good playstation 2 emulator for ubuntu 12.04?
[07:15] <DarwinSurvivor> !polls | hangdeadman
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> theres only like 2 ps2 emulators out ehrer i belive..
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> epsx and i think some variaant
[07:16] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: I'd be very leary of doing that without a proper explanation of *why*
[07:16] <BWorld> thanks ubottu I checked out that they match and they do, If I make changes to resolv.conf I guess I need to flush my dns ?
[07:17] <hangdeadman> I don't know of any at all. I'm asking for one that works. period. not opinions.
[07:17] <heckoo> Hi. 12.04 64-bit.  How can I reference where in the file system an app is?  For ex, startup applications?  Where is it so I can summon from the terminal?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> searchthepackage manager. see whats in it. check  the emulator sites for info on any if none are in the repos
[07:18] <rdz> hi all. my empathy client doesn't play sounds on incoming messages, although it is enabled in preferences. system sounds work fine. it's only empathy. any ideas where to look?
[07:18] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: according to http://www.etheus.net/CP210x_Linux_Driver it's been in the kernel since version 2.6
[07:18] <tga> DarwinSurvivor: if I manually install a package will a higher version update replace it?
[07:18] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, I don't know why. Because they are the Manufactureres of the CP210x Chips, and someone made a Linux driver, and simply that specific Vendor ID is missing.
[07:18] <spellbreaker> I know that the Driver exists.
[07:18] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: yes, update manager goes by the version numbers to decide which source to grab the package from
[07:18] <auronandace> !fhs | heckoo
[07:19] <tga> DarwinSurvivor: awesome
[07:19] <tga> DarwinSurvivor: great for temporary fixes
[07:19] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, Only a Vendor/Device ID is missing in the Table inside the cp210x.c file.
[07:19] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: just make sure your "version number" is not high enough that it blocks the REAL updates!
[07:19] <sacarlson> heckoo: normaly the path is already set in your env for apps,  try just type the name.  otherwise the full path might be like /bin : /usr/bin or other
[07:20] <tga> DarwinSurvivor: should be fine, it's like 12.8.1-somethingsomething, and the next one should be 12.9.0
[07:20] <DarwinSurvivor> tga: you can also manually override update manager to tell it not to update certain packages (then install what-ever version you want). that's how people "downgrade" stuff
[07:20] <tga> right
[07:20] <diverdude> Is it possible to instruct cat that i want to view the content of a file, only from line 40 to 60, or 40 and 20 lines ahead or similar ? Or is there another command that does this?
[07:20] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, And thats why they said I should recompile the kernel, to update that "table".
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> diverdude:  try head and tail. they have those options i belive
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> diverdude:  the syntax is a little odd i recall
[07:21] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: give me a second
[07:21] <heckoo> auronandace, thats not exactly what I am looking for but thanks.
[07:22] <heckoo> sacarlson, i still can't find it.  I guess I would like to know(like back in classic gnome) how I can cross-reference where the app binary resides
[07:22] <heckoo> in gnome 2.x you could goto menu cfg and find it there.. where in unity?
[07:23] <supremaz> hi there
[07:23] <supremaz> i want to ask a question about bash scripting
[07:23] <supremaz> can you help me ?
[07:23] <heckoo> wrong channel :/
[07:23] <supremaz> sorry
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[07:23] <tga> woot, mouse fixed again, it's sooo annoying to have the mouse jump around 1-2 px every click
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> and #bash may be better help
[07:23] <DJones> supremaz: Best channel is probably #bash (may be ##bash)
[07:23] <supremaz> ok thank you
[07:23] <diverdude> Dr_Willis: hmm yeah thats pretty weird
[07:24] <diverdude> Dr_Willis: from man tail    -n, --lines=K              output the last K lines, instead of the last 10; or use -n +K to output lines starting with the Kth
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> diverdude: i use it so rarely - i just recall it being weord.
[07:24] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: ok, so it looks like it's just the one module that needs to be recompiled, not the entire kernel.
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> never seen any oher  apps  that i can recall using + and - like that
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[07:25] <ohlol> can anyone confirm that linux-server is not a separate image with 12.04 ubuntu-server cd?
[07:25] <diverdude> Dr_Willis: shouldn't it be like this: tail webroot/js/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.css -50 +5 ?
[07:26] <diverdude> Dr_Willis: that gives error
[07:26] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, Can you give me some advice? Do I simply do a make in the drivers/usb/serial and then make install?
[07:27] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[07:27] <ohlol> diverdude: you can't have both
[07:28] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: you will also need to install the kernel headers and stuff. that site should give you some ideas (don't just follow it blindly as you'll end up recompiling the entire kernel, you only need the module recompiled)
[07:28] <ohlol> either tail -50 file or tail +5 file
[07:28] <leku> whats teh best way to control volume on my laptop without using gnome?
[07:28] <leku> or using a WM that doesn't use gnome directly
[07:28] <leku> like stumpw
[07:28] <leku> m
[07:28] <chu> stumpwm comes with an alsa interface
[07:28] <leku> it does?
[07:28] <chu> It does!
[07:29] <chu> Time to go digging through the stumpwm directory
[07:29] <leku> :P
[07:29] <leku> k
[07:29] <diverdude> ahhh of course...i got an idea: tail -n +50 webroot/js/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.css | head -n 20
[07:29] <DarwinSurvivor> diverdude: if you want to print lines 40-60, do the following "head -n 60 my_file | tail -n 21" (remember 40-60 is *21* lines, NOT 20 lines)
[07:30] <chu> leku: I'd throw my stumpwm config at you, but it's a beast, let me find the relevent parts
[07:30] <leku> can I get a URL?
[07:30] <leku> i have a decent one but maybe yours is better :)
[07:30] <DarwinSurvivor> leku: I just use xbindkeys
[07:30] <chu> leku: well, here's the whole thing: https://gist.github.com/2880429
[07:31] <server_> help me how can i see the page from web server ehcp from my ip adress??
[07:31] <leku> weird I dont know what is the problem but i'm not getting any sound
[07:31] <chu> You want the amixer stuff (call `amixer' from load-module), and then the stuff from line 461 onwards.
[07:31] <leku> k
[07:32] <leku> thanks
[07:32] <server_> where can i see my page for wordpress on my own ip i got ehcp web server
[07:32] <chu> No worries, I love stumpwm, so if you have any queries, I'd love to help out.
[07:32] <DarwinSurvivor> !details | server_
[07:32] <leku> got a quick question for u
[07:33] <server_> i do man
[07:33] <motherbrain> curious what is the difference between ubuntu kernel patches and linux kernel.org patches ?
[07:33] <randomDude> leku: for me ?
[07:33] <leku> stumpwm..if I startup firefox, and then a termianl, then split them with Ctrl-i, S
[07:33] <tanka32> anyone know a good terminal based mp3 player?
[07:33] <randomDude> !anyone
[07:33] <chu> tanka32: ncmpcpp with mpd
[07:33] <DarwinSurvivor> server_: you've told us very little about your setup, are is the server behind a nat, how did you install wordpress, is it the same machine, etc?
[07:34] <leku> then I open up another terminal, split that with 's', so I have 2 terminals on top of each other on the right side, then netscape taking up the rest on the left side
[07:34] <si23> does anybody know how to identify the chipset in a usb device? i have a dial-up modem and I'm pretty confident it is not the chipset I wanted.
[07:34] <leku> screens cut in half
[07:34] <DarwinSurvivor> !polls | tanka32
[07:34] <server_> i use ubuntu 11.04 and want to get see the home page from my domain i did add on ehcp web server and that is on ip too and i want to see the domain i did add what /page do i need to look at??
[07:34] <ehmatthes> Anyone help with a networking issue?  Trying to "telnet rendezvous.heroku.com 5000".  I can "ping rendezvous.heroku.com".  Not sure if this is a modem configuration issue or an ISP issue.
[07:34] <chu> leku: Not sure what you're asking really, but if you're using multiple terminals, why aren't you using screen? (or tmux, etc)
[07:34] <leku> if I move firefox over to the right with Ctrl-i Meta - ->, how can i temporarly resize it so it was the same size it was on the left, isntead of being only 1/3 of the size?
[07:35] <leku> its more a window resizing question
[07:35] <leku> its getting stuck in the frame
[07:35] <server_> i use ubuntu 11.04 and want to get see the home page from my domain i did add on ehcp web server and that is on ip too and i want to see the domain i did add what /page do i need to look at??
[07:35] <DarwinSurvivor> server_: that page can be many things depending on how you installed wordpress and configured your web server, what installation guide did you follow?
[07:35] <leku> thanks for the reminder on tmux i gotta use that more
[07:36] <server_> i didn't do the installation yet i need to find that page
[07:36] <chu> leku: To be honest, I don't do much window resizing, I just move each app into a separate group
[07:36] <leku> ah
[07:36] <p1ppppp> Hi fellas, when uninstalling and reinstalling pulseaudio, I inadvertantly uninstalled the sound app and have no icon in the top right hand corner that controls sound levels -- i'm using 12.04, unity, appreciate any help getting it back.  thanks.
[07:37] <leku> I like to have 2 terminals open on one side, then the other half of my screen is all firefox
[07:37] <DarwinSurvivor> server_: let me make sure I undestand this. someone else set up wordpress for you and you can't get it to load?
[07:37] <server_> the ehcp is my own ip and i did build a domain buildweb and where can i fint it          56.85.242.785/???
[07:37] <leku> and then I'll ahve emacs behind firefox, and switch back and forth w/ Ctrl-i i
[07:37] <rhizmoe> in (a new) 12.04 i'm getting lots of cpu tax when hovering over javascript...video driver? too much fancy?
[07:37] <server_> i want to know the page where i can setup the instalation
[07:37] <chu> leku: I have a 13" monitor (tiny little netbook), so having complete screen real-estate for each app is kind of necessary :p
[07:37] <server_> my site is 83.83.212.112
[07:37] <leku> ah for sure
[07:37] <DarwinSurvivor> server_: what is "ehcp"? did you mean "dhcp"?
[07:37] <server_> i did build a domain there
[07:38] <server_> no ehcp look at www.echp.net
[07:39] <DarwinSurvivor> server_: this sounds like an echp issue, NOT an ubuntu issue (unless it's a VPS)
[07:39] <leku> wtf is ehcp?
[07:39] <DarwinSurvivor> leku: it's a webhost
[07:40] <server_> no it issnt vps
[07:40] <DarwinSurvivor> server_: I think you need to contact ehcp as *they* are the ones that know how that system is set up, we have NO idea what their configuration is nor what defaults they have chosen
[07:40] <server_> do i need to come another chat
[07:40] <server_> ok ty
[07:40] <leku> chu did you borrow this from someone else?
[07:42] <steve__> hello
[07:43] <skramer_> could anybody tell me how to get back the Global Menu, please? it disappeared for a reason I don´t know & I urgently want to get it back. re-installing of appmenu-gtk, appmenu-gtk3 and appmenu-qt did not help...
[07:44] <ipv6hermit> does compiz also work on xfce?
[07:44] <steve__> i don't know.... sorry
[07:46] <DarwinSurvivor> ipv6hermit: I know that it does, but I don't remember how to enable it
[07:46] <DarwinSurvivor> !compiz | ipv6hermit this may help
[07:46] <Gameid> !pwd http://www.newzbin2.es/browse/post/6662040/
[07:46] <Gameid> oops
[07:47] <rymate1234> ipv6hermit, compiz does work on xfce
[07:48] <rymate1234> except without xfce window decorations
[07:48] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, Thanks, I'll give it a try.
[07:49] <DarwinSurvivor> spellbreaker: I think you need to add "ccp" to the end of the replace command (ex: "compiz --replace ccp") to preserve window decorations
[07:49] <tjingboem> is there an easy drag and drop internet page creator for Ubuntu?
[07:49] <DarwinSurvivor> tjingboem: there are *many*, but you should ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:50] <tjingboem> yjamks, will do
[07:50] <tjingboem> thanks
[07:51] <aurabindo> hi  there
[07:51] <aurabindo> my computer on booting says "no operating system found"  the partition table is broken.. But the partitions and data are good. I can access them from a live cd
[07:51] <aurabindo> how can i fix the broken partition table?
[07:51] <aurabindo> I`m having msdos type partition
[07:51] <aurabindo> any clue?
[07:51] <DarwinSurvivor> !fixgrub
[07:52] <DarwinSurvivor> aurabindo: if you can still access them from a live-usb, the partition table is fine, it sounds like a grub issue to me
[07:52] <DJones> !nvu | tjingboem This may help,
[07:54] <aurabindo> gparted (from live cd) says wrong signature
[07:54] <aurabindo> grub-install /dev /sda after chrooting also says the asme
[07:54] <tjingboem> thanks, DJones, i will try that out
[07:54] <aurabindo> same*
[07:56] <MartyB74> Hi, anybody knows why "who" does not correctly work under ubuntu 12.04? It only shows my user, but not the others who are logged on.
[07:57] <DarwinSurvivor> aurabindo: in that case, the issue is probably over my head
[07:57] <DarwinSurvivor> aurabindo: but I would *highly* recommend backing up the entire HDD (using dd) to separate medium before attempting a recovery (testdisk has saved my butt in the past)
[07:57] <angana> Hi
[07:58] <DarwinSurvivor> aurabindo: http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=14199 may be informative
[07:58] <angana> Any body knows why apt-get install is getting failed?
[08:00] <kosko> this is my lshw -C display; lsb_release -a; uname -a http://pastebin.com/QEes09ss is there a ready made xorg.conf for this video card?
[08:05] <sveinse> Anyone here with experience with zfs on precise (or any other ubuntu for that matter)?
[08:06] <DarwinSurvivor> kosko: are you running 32bit ubuntu on a 64 bit core2 processor?
[08:06] <DarwinSurvivor> !ask | sveinse
[08:07] <DarwinSurvivor> kosko: that video card *should* work out of the box, what issue are you having with it?
[08:07] <angana> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:07] <angana> am facing above issue..
[08:07] <angana> apt get install is not working..
[08:08] <kosko> DarwinSurvivor: when it loads i see ubuntu loading, but when i'm  about to reach the login screen the monitor goes black
[08:08] <sveinse> DarwinSurvivor: c'mon... Has someone been able to get zfs up and running on precise. How well does it work?
[08:08] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: please use paste.ubuntu.com and copy-paste the ENTIRE terminal session and/or error message(s)
[08:08] <bazhang> angana, what version of ubuntu
[08:08] <DJones> !nomodeset | kosko
[08:08] <robocoop71> ciao
[08:08] <kosko> DarwinSurvivor: i must mention that i've istalled this ubuntu on my usb hdd on another box
[08:08] <robocoop71> ciao
[08:09] <DarwinSurvivor> kosko: what video card did the *other* machine have?
[08:09] <DarwinSurvivor> kosko: and THANK YOU for telling us that. you have *no idea* how many people wouldn't bother to... :(
[08:09] <kosko> DarwinSurvivor: i had this one http://pastebin.com/NDQqBJHN
[08:09] <bazhang> angana, what version of ubuntu
[08:10] <bazhang> !version | angana
[08:10] <cyberbob> hi all
[08:10] <kosko> DarwinSurvivor: sorry i didn't get the joke about *no idea*
[08:11] <cyberbob> I am using ubuntu 12.04 64bit, whenever i lock my computer and tries to unlock it it does'nt accept the passwd, i have to click on switch and login with the same username/passwd which works
[08:11] <cyberbob>  not sure,if it is a bug or what
[08:11] <kosko> DarwinSurvivor: this is hp pavilion g series where i have this black screen issue
[08:11] <DarwinSurvivor> kosko: not a joke, we get lots of users that neglect to give us VERY important information (someone had us to 10 minutes of network troubleshooting before he told us he was tethering over a cellphone)
[08:12] <DarwinSurvivor> kosko: try the nomodeset trick, then do an update to see if there are any drivers you are missing
[08:12] <DarwinSurvivor> !nomodeset | kosko
[08:13] <kosko> DarwinSurvivor: i see, thank you, will try it now
[08:13] <angana> 12.04 LTS
[08:13] <cyberbob> yes 12.04 LTS
[08:14] <kosko> 13.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #ubuntu
[08:14] <angana> Uploaded error messages in
[08:14] <angana> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026421/
[08:15] <lalawu> join ##ustc-lug
[08:15] <DarwinSurvivor> your issue is due to your use of PPA's (it's a common problem). if there is not a particular reason for having the PPA's, we strongly recommend removing them as they are NOT supported by Ubuntu and we can't help you with them
[08:15] <p1ppppp> fellas, i've lost my sound icon on the top right hand corner -- 12.04 & unity
[08:15] <angana> Oh ok..
[08:15] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: we *can* help you find supported methods of achieving the same results the PPA's were giving you though
[08:16] <angana> thanQ... and i am facing one more issue..
[08:16] <DarwinSurvivor> lalawu: why...?
[08:16] <angana> my update manager is not working..
[08:16] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: yes, that problem is most likely *also* caused by the PPA's
[08:16] <angana> okey..
[08:16] <angana> how can i remove those ppas.
[08:17] <angana> even my update manager also not working..
[08:17] <p1ppppp> c'mon guys, one of you guys is bound to know a "one liner" command to get my sound icon back
[08:17] <bazhang> angana, ppa-purge them
[08:17] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: first of all, what did you add them for (what packages did you need that were not in the official repos)?
[08:17] <cyberbob> does anyone else facing the same issue ?
[08:17] <bazhang> !ppa-purge | angana
[08:18] <DarwinSurvivor> !private | lalawu
[08:18] <DJones> DarwinSurvivor: from angana's pastebin, its not just PPA repo's that are failing, security.ubuntu is also dropping out along with archive.ubuntu
[08:19] <angana> darwin i added rednotebook
[08:20] <computerhead> hi
[08:21] <p1ppppp> please, can anyone help me out with my sound problem?
[08:21] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: you also have medibuntu installed, what are you using from there?
[08:21] <gvo> I'm running 11.10 and trying to Disable the "Do you want to run ... or display it's contents".  I've found instructions on how to do it using Nautilus however Nautilus is completely different.  The instructions say choose  Edit ▸ Preferences ▸ Behavior ▸ Executable Text Files Run executable ... but there are no visible menus in Nautilus.
[08:22] <DarwinSurvivor> gvo: the menus have moved to the top of the screen (instead of the top of the window), move your mouse there and the menus will "appear"
[08:22] <fidel> gvo: global menu
[08:22] <fidel> too late
[08:23] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: it looks like rednotebook is IN the official repositories, the PPA is only for bleeding-edge releases of it
[08:23] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: I'd recommend removing the rednotebook PPA and just installing the offical version
[08:23] <computerhead> i connected using ssl with xchat, why am i still seeing my ip after whois?
[08:23] <angana> darwin i am not remembering exactly for what..
[08:23] <fidel> gvo: the idea behind global menu is to keep it central and to save space (similar to osx) - some like it - others hate it ;)
[08:23] <angana> but i installed ppas to get some packages...
[08:24] <fidel> angana: could you name those packages?
[08:24] <gvo> DarwinSurvivor: fidel Thanks
[08:24] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: because ssl does NOT hide your IP address (it's not designed to) it only encrypts the *traffic* between you and the server (protects your password/etc)
[08:24] <angana> one is awn
[08:25] <gvo> fidel well I can live with most anything if I can figure out how it works.  That's not what I'd call intuitive
[08:25] <fidel> angana: awn is part of the default repos - so in general there is no need to use a ppa for awn
[08:25] <angana> another is artha..
[08:25] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: awn is also available in the official repositories, no need for a PPA for that either
[08:25] <fidel> angana: you'll need the ppa to have latest version maybe - but thats another possible reason then
[08:25] <angana> ok..
[08:26] <p1ppppp> how do i get back the gnome volume control on the top panel anyone?
[08:26] <angana> it was like this. i am not aware about official and unofficial repositories..
[08:26] <fidel> so - always ask yourself - you i really need the ppa cause i need a specific app-version which is not available in the official repos or not
[08:26] <p1ppppp> 12.04^^
[08:26] <fidel> and then maybe add the ppa - not before answering the question above ;)
[08:26] <angana> where ever i got repos from a mear search from google
[08:26] <angana> i added that...
[08:26] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: artha is ALSO in the repos, no PPA needed
[08:26] <angana> it was a mistake..
[08:26] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, i see thanks. so only log will be on server, no other places, right?
[08:26] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: to get new software, do NOT use google, just open "software center" and search in there
[08:27] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: everything you type here will be on ubuntu's log website, etc.
[08:28] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, will it be on isp etc..?
[08:28] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: the only real advantage to using ssl is to hide your password. if you want to protect your IP, you will need an IRC mask
[08:28] <Zally666> Hi
[08:28] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, i want full anonymous on irc, how can i do that?
[08:29] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: SSL only protects the connection between YOU and the freenode server, being IRC all the channels (other than those specifically protected) are fully accessibly by everyone. MANY channels are logged by those that run them.
[08:29] <bazhang> computerhead, ask on #freenode channel
[08:30] <Zally666> So how would i let ubuntu 12 autodetect and reinstall my tv tuner card?
[08:30] <angana> ok k..hope that is good
[08:30] <DarwinSurvivor> !details | Zally666
[08:30] <fidel> Zally666: you could check if ubuntu supports that card out of the box - if it doenst check if 'additional drivers' offer an driver for it
[08:31] <aspierob> `
[08:31] <p1ppppp> Hi, is there a tool to tweak the top panel in 12.04 to add and remove icons?
[08:31] <p1ppppp> as i have lost volume control
[08:31] <aspierob> Is utah banned?
[08:31] <fidel> p1ppppp: are you using unity?
[08:32] <p1ppppp> fidel, yes unity
[08:32] <Zally666> It supports the card i guess but i messed it up installing a tv server
[08:32] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, all i want to know if isp can log these conversation or they will see encrypted text?
[08:32] <fidel> p1ppppp: instead of repeating the same question over and over - try to add some infos - as it might help others help you
[08:32] <fidel> i.e. yes it affects unity - which might be relevant info for your question
[08:32] <aspierob> there is someone from utah trying to get in and they are banned.
[08:32] <fidel> aspierob: someone - or several ?
[08:33] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: your ISP will only see gibberish, but anyone ELSE on the channel can see it as plaintext (including your ISP if they join it).
[08:33] <p1ppppp> fidel:  i uninstalled then reinstalled pulseaudio, now my volume control is missing from the top panel.  Is there a way to get it back?
[08:33] <cyberbob> it worked for me  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-804647.html
[08:33] <cyberbob> thx all
[08:33] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: once again, this is hardly an ubuntu question, please go to #freenode for irc help
[08:33] <fidel> p1ppppp: dont ask me - focus on the entire channel. i was just trying to point out that pure repeating doesnt help
[08:33] <aspierob> someone
[08:33] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, ok i got what i need, thanks :)
[08:33] <bazhang> !ot | aspierob
[08:34] <p1ppppp> fidel: I've gave as much detail as I can
[08:34] <DarwinSurvivor> !details | aspierob
[08:34] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, how can i be sure if sll active?
[08:34] <p1ppppp> i thought it might be a simple apt-get install "missing package with volume control"  then start the service
[08:34] <bazhang> DarwinSurvivor, its offtopic, we dont need details
[08:34] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: I just checked, it is
[08:34] <p1ppppp> but it must not be that simple as no-one can help
[08:35] <Zally666> Fidel ub12 and wanting to reinstall card but dont know how
[08:35] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, how?
[08:35] <bazhang> computerhead, #freenode NOT here
[08:35] <computerhead> bazhang, just one question remans dude :)
[08:35] <bazhang> computerhead, for #freenode
[08:36] <p1ppppp> seems i'm not the only one in the channel that doesn't know how to get the volume icon back lol
[08:36] <computerhead> DarwinSurvivor, how did you check it, this one my last question
[08:36] <bazhang> p1ppppp, right click add to panel< is this indicator applet
[08:36] <Zally666> Allso whats the cmd to make a livecd from distro?
[08:36] <p1ppppp> bazhang: right click on the panel doesnt do anything on 12.04
[08:36] <p1ppppp> I tried it already :(
[08:37] <computerhead> bazhang, that was rude,
[08:37] <bazhang> computerhead, stay on topic.  #freenode for that
[08:38] <computerhead> bazhang, that was just one question!
[08:38] <Kaco_> you girls talk too much
[08:38] <computerhead> bazhang, one question that remains
[08:38] <fidel> computerhead: there is always ' just 1 question'
[08:38] <Kaco_> lol :-D
[08:38] <computerhead> this is absurd really
[08:38] <fidel> computerhead: the channel has some rules - one is keeping it ontopic - try to accept it and maybe use another place which fits the question better
[08:39] <fidel> just as general hint - irc is often heavily topic-related - while new users to irc seem to overlook that topic-focused-idea
[08:39] <p1ppppp> computerhead: just join #tor
[08:40] <computerhead> p1ppppp, i just want to know how  i can check if i use ssl or not!
[08:40] <angana> thanks Darvin...
[08:41] <angana> will try to remove al ppas.. and will check again
[08:41] <danabr> Hi, anyone having experience with setting up ubuntu 12.04 as a printer server?
[08:41] <angana> am first time in this chat.. this is owsome
[08:41] <DarwinSurvivor> angana: alright, let us know how it goes
[08:41] <angana> sure Darwin
[08:42] <DarwinSurvivor> companion: I will answer your question in the #freenode channel (I am already there)
[08:42] <p1ppppp> sooo.. anyone know how to add/remove icons form the top panel in 12.04?
[08:42] <fidel> !anyone > danabr
[08:42] <DarwinSurvivor> companion: oops, wrong id :(
[08:46] <danabr> How do you configure CUPS to allow printouts from another computer on the same network?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> the cups web interface, or printer config tools have a checkbox to allow/share the printers
[08:47] <danabr> Dr_Willlis: Yeah, but that does not work for me.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> check your cups logs.
[08:48]  * Dr_Willis loves it when he answers then gets the 'real' question...
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> you may want to be sure samba is working if its shareing to a windows machine
[08:49] <DarwinSurvivor> jacobwb: I don't agree with him (I like G3), but there is no reason he should have to censor himself just because some people are sheep
[08:49] <danabr> Dr_Willis: I would like to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to allow one specific other host to print via my computer
[08:49] <DarwinSurvivor> oops, wrong window (my bad)
[08:49] <danabr> Its another Ubuntu host, actually.
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> danabr:  i belive the web interface gives you a gui for doing that. i never limit my home lan that way
[08:50] <danabr> Dr_Willis: Let me give you the full picture...
[08:50] <Zally666> So how does one re-install a tv tuner?
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> Zally666:  why do you think you need to?
[08:51] <danabr> Dr_Willis: We have a local network with one Ubuntu machine that is connected to the external network.
[08:51] <DarwinSurvivor> Zally666: define "reinstall"
[08:51] <danabr> Dr_Willis: That same machine is also connected (via wireless) to some printers on the local network
[08:52] <Zally666> Becuz i messed up installing a tv server
[08:52] <DarwinSurvivor> Zally666: please be more specific. WHAT tv server?!?
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> Zally666:  server? what did you install exactlt..
[08:53] <danabr> Dr_Willis: Now, I would like to allow a specific machine on the external network (static ip) to submit printjobs via lpr to the Ubuntu server
[08:53] <Zally666> Now tvtime doesnt work nomore
[08:53] <Zally666> Tvheaded
[08:53] <danabr> Dr_Willis: Does that clarify the question?
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> danabr:  over the internet you mean?
[08:54] <Zally666> And vdr ...
[08:54] <danabr> Yeah, exactly. It is actually a remote web server that has to be able to do printouts on the printers on the local network
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> danabr:  could do a ssh tunnle. Im not sure how cups security features would work across the internets. Never needed that feature
[08:55] <daddy-o123> here to ask a quick question.  when does firefox 13 hit the ubuntu repo
[08:55] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: I've done "remote" printing before, but it was a network printer and I used ssh port-forwarding
[08:55] <danabr> Dr_Willis: SSH port forwarding sounds like an interesting idea
[08:56] <Zally666> So how to reinstall and autodetect tuner?
[08:56] <DarwinSurvivor> computerhead: because YOUR isp includes your ip address in your name, mine doesn't (though pinging the part after @ will reveal it)
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> danabr:  cups may have some features to do that allready. but ive never used them. check the cups.org homepage/docs perhaps. or askubuntu.com
[08:56] <danabr> Dr_Willis: So I would set up a tunnel from some local port on the webserver, to the print servers port 631. Then I would run lpr towards my local port. Would CUPS allow that?
[08:56] <DarwinSurvivor> gah, wrong window again (bad day
[08:57] <Zally666> Psybnc
[08:57] <DarwinSurvivor> Zally666: I don't think it's the tuner that needs reinstalling, just the softwar that is trying to use it.
[08:57] <DarwinSurvivor> Zally666: which application do you think you misconfigured?
[08:58] <Zally666> Tvtime says no signal where it worked before
[08:58] <danabr> Dr_Willis: Ok. Thanks for your help, I will try with port forwarding.
[08:58] <DarwinSurvivor> Zally666: you said that you think you configured something wrong, what was it?
[08:59] <Zally666> Tvheaded and vdr
[08:59] <daddy-o123> does the ubuntu repo usually update quickly after the release of a new firefox. how long is the usual delay?
[08:59] <Lafiir> Since I updated from 11.10 to 12.04, Update  Manager lists updates from precise-proposed despite not selected in Software Sources. How can I turn that off?
[09:00] <Zally666> Echo copy
[09:00] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: that is almost the exact setup I use (ssl my_server_ip -Lprinter_port:printer_ip:printer_port) then add the "localhost" printer in cups :)
[09:00] <Ormie> My mom and her friend is chatting with skype, she use windows and her friend use mac.
[09:00] <Ormie> Talk about unfair.
[09:00] <companion> DarwinSurvivor, I think youŕe talking to the wrong guy xD
[09:01] <DarwinSurvivor> companion: I was, I was trying to talk to computerhead (who had left) and "com<tab>" autocompleted you companion
[09:01] <sacarlson> Ormie: skype works good on Ubuntu also
[09:01] <ech0s7> hi
[09:01] <ech0s7> 	i have a problem with wifi atheros ar9285 and ubuntu 12.04 with kernel 3.2.0-23
[09:01] <ech0s7> 	rfkill list all give me
[09:01] <ech0s7> 	1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[09:01] <ech0s7> 	Soft blocked: no
[09:01] <ech0s7> 	Hard blocked: yes
[09:01] <FloodBot1> ech0s7: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:02] <Ormie> sacarlson, yes, skype doesn't continue it and leave it far behide.
[09:02] <companion> DarwinSurvivor, its not a problem :)
[09:02] <Ormie> What configuration GNOME 3 control panel does not offer you to configure it.
[09:03] <DarwinSurvivor> Zally666: I'm not familiar with those applications, see if there is a way to re-run the configuration stage of the software (I don't think it's a problem with the hardware or driver)
[09:03] <Ormie> I am making a tweaker.
[09:03] <sacarlson> ech0s7: I guess you will have to turn hard block off
[09:04] <ech0s7> sacarlson, fn+F8 unbloc the hard block
[09:04] <Zally666> So ill ask again this weekend ... Cant chat on a phöne
[09:04]  * Dr_Willis is on his android phone right now. ;)
[09:05] <DarwinSurvivor> Zally666: ok, if the software has their own forum or irc channel, try there as well
[09:05] <ech0s7> sacarlson, but fn+F8 doesn't works on my laptop
[09:05] <Ormie> What are the configurations that GNOME 3 control panel does not offer you to configure it?
[09:05] <Zally666> Thkx darwin
[09:05] <sacarlson> ech0s7: I think there are params on rfkill  check man rfkill
[09:05] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: there should be a physical button, switch or keybord-combo that will enable/disable your wireless. please hit that and then run "rfkill list" again
[09:06] <DarwinSurvivor> sacarlson: rfkill cannot unblock a hardware block, only a software one
[09:07] <sacarlson> ech0s7: DarwinSurvivor: so I guess it's a hardware problem outside the reach of ubuntu
[09:07] <DarwinSurvivor> sacarlson: did you find a hardware switch/combo?
[09:07] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: did you find a hardware switch/combo?
[09:08] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: and if so, did the output of "rfkill list" change after hitting it?
[09:08] <ech0s7> sacarlson, i have done "rfkill unblock all"
[09:08] <ech0s7> and rfkill list
[09:08] <ech0s7> give me
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> ive had weird laptops gtht i had to boot to windows to toggle the wirelessback on. then i never touch the switch again. ;)
[09:08] <ech0s7> [11:01]  <ech0s7>  1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[09:08] <ech0s7> [11:01]  <ech0s7>  Soft blocked: no
[09:08] <ech0s7> [11:01]  <ech0s7>  Hard blocked: yes
[09:09] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: did you try the *physical* button/switch?
[09:10] <ech0s7> DarwinSurvivor, Yes!
[09:10] <ech0s7> my only hardware switch is fn+F8
[09:10] <ech0s7> i haven't other hardware switch on laptop
[09:11] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: ok, and "rfkill list" didn't change after hitting it?
[09:11] <oxygenlover> l o
[09:12] <ech0s7> no DarwinSurvivor
[09:12] <ech0s7> didn't change nothing
[09:12] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: then it definitely sounds like a hardware problem
[09:13] <ech0s7> ?? DarwinSurvivor with windows 7 works well
[09:13] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: one last thing, can you run "xev" and see if the Fn+F8 combo is recognised? if it is, then it's *not* a hardware trigger
[09:14] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: also did you run "rfkill unblock all" or "sudo rfkill unblock all"?
[09:14] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: rfkill can't unblock anything unless you use sudo
[09:14] <guspur> how to install ubuntu server at http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/server-motherboards/server-board-s1200bt.html in raid mode
[09:14] <ech0s7> DarwinSurvivor, sudo rfkill unblock all
[09:14] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: Hmm, I am trying to test port forwarding locally (by tunneling via localhost), but when I try to use lpr, it says "Connection refused"
[09:15] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: what port did you forward (just copy-paste your ssh command)
[09:15] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: The SSH tunnel connection says: "open failed: Connection refused"
[09:16] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: ssh -L 8324:localhost:689 daniel@localhost
[09:16] <ech0s7> DarwinSurvivor, i have noted that fn+f8 unlock the software block
[09:17] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: Sorry, it should be port 631
[09:17] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: try running "xev" and then hitting the combo and see if xev registers any activity
[09:17] <ech0s7> yes, register
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> you used localhost twice danabr  so.. where is it tunneling to.. i rarely use tunnels
[09:17] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: you don't want to ssh into localhost, you want to ssh into the server that has access to the printers!
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[09:17] <DarwinSurvivor> ech0s7: ok, then that key combo is NOT a physical toggle
[09:18] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: Yeah, I know that, but currently I do not have that server. I just wanted to test that tunneling worked, and that cups did not complain
[09:18] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: I managed to get it to work. I had written the wrong port number for CUPS
[09:18] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: you can't forward to a port that is in use (try forwarding 631 to 632 to see if it's working)
[09:19] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: is the printer a network printer, or connected directly to the other machine?
[09:20] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: All printers will be network printers, all connected to one workstation that has an internet connection
[09:20] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: However, tunneling actually seems to work. Thanks a lot!
[09:20] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: do you need access to *all* printers, or just one?
[09:20] <sacarlson> guspur: I would think you would want a software raid install but not sure you want redundantcy or speed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> googled for some guides on cups printing across the internet. dident find any thing really.. handy. ;()
[09:21] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: if you need to access a *lot* of internal resources, you may want to consider a VPN, it's more involved to set up, but may save some work in the future
[09:21] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: I need access to them all. I'll discuss a VPN with my boss.
[09:22] <guspur> sacarlson, yep , thx bro. i didn't  install ubuntu at two hardisk mode at mobo
[09:22] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: you can also port-forward directly to the printers, then you are accessing cups localy (may be more or less troublesome)
[09:22] <danabr> Dr_Willis: I've read quite a bit of CUPS documentation, and it is indeed not very nice to printing newbies
[09:23] <DarwinSurvivor> danabr: just make sure you firewall the external machine, you don't want the entire internet being able to use those forwarded ports!
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> danabr:  you are doing somthing complex.. and cups Is a 'business class' tool. for local/home ussage my cups machines all see eatch other and  getting printing going is just a few clicks.. or even less at times
[09:23] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: Nah, I rather just port forward to one printer server. Then I just need to know the printer names in order to print with lpr.
[09:24] <danabr> DarwinSurvivor: A firewall will be used of course :)
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> cloud printing. :)
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> that would be a neat feature for ubuntu one to have
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> !info cloudprint
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. :)
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> cool. can print from my phone to my printer aat home. ;)
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> !info cupscloudprint
[09:46] <kolix> Hi guys
[09:46] <kolix> I'm running ubuntu inside a VM
[09:47] <kolix> I wrote a script that prints binary data and now my terminal's character encoding is messed up
[09:47] <kolix> http://i46.tinypic.com/23syr9y.png
[09:47] <kolix> anyway to fix this
[09:49] <legoff> sudo
[09:50] <acicula> koud: reset (type reset in the console)
[09:51] <phanindraramesh> can anybody tell me the channel for python in freenode?
[09:51] <acicula> err koud meant kolix
[09:51] <acicula> phanindraramesh: ##python ?
[09:51] <Rajive> I am using ubuntu.  May i know how to reanme the Drive name?
[09:52] <andybrine> morning everyone
[09:52] <Adonis> does anyone no a command i can use to view all the services im running in ubuntu?
[09:52] <phanindraramesh> acicula, it is inactive.
[09:52] <rethus1> i have problems to upgrade http://askubuntu.com/questions/108427/how-can-i-upgrade-kde-in-kubuntu-11-10
[09:53] <andybrine> I have been been using 12.04 for a while, it does not seem to be allowing the animations  with the screen edge
[09:53] <Nom-> Hey guys, just really quickly... how do I specify in my apt/sources.list that i only want 64-bit packages to be checked?
[09:53] <rethus1> i add the ppa repositorie, but if i do apt-get update, i got no newer packages than 4.6
[09:53] <acicula> phanindraramesh: then its #python
[09:53] <andybrine> for example bottom right of screen, show desktop
[09:54] <Nom-> ahah [arch=amd64]
[09:54] <Nom-> got it :)
[09:55] <andybrine> does this have to be added with compiz?
[09:55] <phanindraramesh> acicula, I tried that too. it's going to #python-unregistered.Everytime I try to send a question in that channel its saying  "cannot send to channel"
[09:55] <Rajive_> May i know how to rename the Drive name?
[09:56] <DJones> !register | phanindraramesh SOme channels require you have registered you're nick with freenode befoe you can join them,
[09:56] <rethus1> http://paste.kde.org/494030
[09:56] <sacarlson> Rajive_: I would think you can change the drive name in disk utility
[09:56] <rethus1> what s wrong here
[09:56] <rethus1> http://paste.kde.org/494030
[09:57] <acicula> phanindraramesh: you need to have registered with freenode and be identified to the NickServ before you are allowd in, ask in #freenode
[09:57] <edlinde> is there a command to know the page size in my machine?
[09:57] <edlinde> or block size in the OS
[09:57] <ezoe> hmm. It looks like Compiz randomly crash whether there is kernel update or not.
[09:57] <ezoe> I tried many rebooting and sometimes, Compiz fail.
[09:57] <sacarlson> Rajive_: the file to run at term would be palimpsest
[09:57] <ezoe> As I was told, restart lightdm works.
[09:59] <sacarlson> edlinde: ls -l
[09:59] <andybrine> does anyone know how to activate the screen edge animations in 12.04. for example show desktop, change application?
[10:00] <edlinde> sacarlson, what do you mean ls -l?
[10:00] <andybrine> its very useful and cant get it working for some reason
[10:00] <sacarlson> edlinde: that's the command to type in the terminal window $ls -l;
[10:00] <edlinde> I want to know the page size for the blocks that are transferred between disk and memory
[10:00] <edlinde> how will ls give me that?
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> thats handled by a ccsm plugin andybrine . but some compiz plugins can mess up or conflict with unity
[10:01] <andybrine> Dr_Willis, so thats all done through compiz now?
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> andybrine:  unity is a compiz plugin. most of the fancy features are also compiz plugins
[10:01] <sacarlson> edlinde: ls -l will show you the page size of the files in the directory man ls
[10:02] <andybrine> Dr_Willis, i am in the unity plugin on compiz and it does not show screen edge information
[10:02] <sacarlson> edlinde: if you want to know what's in mem already maybe you want something like top
[10:02] <andybrine> will have a look around it, cheers
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> andybrine:  its not THE unity plugin. but a compiz plugin.
[10:04] <andybrine> Dr_Willis: yeah, so a "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" for compiz?
[10:04] <sacarlson> edlinde: or maybe lsof; man lsof
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> unity is a compiz plugin, there is also a plugin  for compiz that does stuff on window/edge detection,  along with a dozen other plugins  that compiz uses
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> ccsm tool has a search feature. ;)
[10:08] <andybrine> Dr_Willis, ok thanks :) very useful :)
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> some   plugin settings can break unity. co be carefull
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> hmm
[10:26] <Ormie> Is anyone bored enough talking to me about unity and cairo dock?
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> they work together.. tried them and awn
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> you could set the left side panel to auto hide if you wanted to
[10:27] <Ormie> Dr_Willis, You mean, Unity and Cairo-Dock works together?
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> you can run anyof the docks if you want to.
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> !dock
[10:29] <Ormie> Dr_Willis, Cairo Dock offers a graphical environment. The problem is, I uninstalled unity and the dock is not usable too!
[10:29] <kolix> Hi guys
[10:29] <kolix> how do i add apache to sudoers?
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> Ormie:  so.. reinsall ubuntu-desktop
[10:29] <kolix> ubuntu server 12 here
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> kolix:  why do you need to?
[10:30] <Ormie> kolix, it should normally be in sudoers
[10:30] <kolix> I'm running a shell script with php_exec
[10:30] <Ormie> right?
[10:30] <Ormie> ?
[10:30] <kolix> I'm getting this error
[10:30] <kolix> [Wed Jun 06 06:17:31 2012] [error] [client 10.0.2.2] PHP Warning:  Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
[10:30] <kolix> [Wed Jun 06 06:17:31 2012] [error] [client 10.0.2.2] PHP Fatal error:  Unknown: Failed opening required '/var/www/index.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0
[10:30] <kolix> someone in #php told me to add apache to sudoers
[10:30] <Ormie> kolix, su -c "<your-command>".
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> somthing just seems weird tro me about apache having sudo rights
[10:31] <kolix> Ormie, this is my code
[10:31] <kolix> echo shell_exec('sudo python /media/sf_vm_share/opencv_python/test2.py');
[10:32] <kolix> so, 'su -c python etc...
[10:32] <kolix> ?
[10:32] <Ormie> kolix, sudo -c "echo shell_exec('sudo python /media/sf_vm_share/opencv_python/test2.py')"
[10:32] <Ormie> no
[10:32] <Ormie> kolix, su -c "echo shell_exec('sudo python /media/sf_vm_share/opencv_python/test2.py')"
[10:32] <Ormie> and type root password.
[10:32] <kolix> Ormie, is that valid in php?
[10:32] <Ormie> try
[10:33] <Ormie> i don't know php at all, though.
[10:33] <Ormie> kolix, Not yet.
[10:33] <Ormie> kolix, now i know what you mean.
[10:33] <kolix> yeah it's not valid
[10:34] <Ormie> echo shell_exec("su -c 'python /media/sf_vm_share/opencv_python/test2.py'");
[10:36] <Ormie> Dr_Willis, Okay, I keep unity. But I am not using unity anyway. So, I want to take the unity choice out from the session menu.
[10:36] <Ormie> how?
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> Ormie:  why bother? just select what you use.
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> sessions are defined by various .desktop files in some system dirs. move/rename them if you really wan tto
[10:37] <Ormie> Dr_Willis, It wastes the space in the menu.
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> ie: ubuntu.desktop gnome.desktop and so on.
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> Ormie:  like it really matters?
[10:38] <Filar> Hello
[10:39] <james-ubc> hey somewhat unrelated but does anybody know how to set xchat to open links using chrome
[10:39] <james-ubc> instead of opera
[10:39] <Ormie> Dr_Willis, where is are the .desktop files?
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> Ormie:  in /etc/ somewhere
[10:39] <Ormie> ok
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> the locate command will find them
[10:40] <sacarlson> Ormie: in php I use lines like this   echo exec('whoami');  and to do sudo you will have to make changes to sudoers to make nopassword
[10:40] <Filar> I'm experiencing problems when playing two games. KAG and minetetest. When I start then, they appear as "Hud" in unity menu, on top part of screen. Because of that, I can't move their windows and resize them. How can I solve that?
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> Filar:  they wine games or native linux games?
[10:41] <Ormie> ok
[10:41] <Filar> native
[10:41] <end_guy> Filar: Try holding ALT and clicking on the window and moving them
[10:42] <end_guy> Filar: ALT+Middle click will also resize
[10:42] <Filar> end_guy, ty, that workes
[10:42] <Filar> worked*
[10:42] <end_guy> :-)
[10:42] <WWeecat> when I start my computer, I have Lubuntu login screen manager, how can be changed to the default Ubuntu login screen manager?
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> WWeecat:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[10:43] <WWeecat> thX!
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> its the 'desktop manager' ;)
[10:43] <end_guy> WWeecat: You might also be interested in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZIA0agcd_Y
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> sudo service whateverdm start/stop/restart to get the new ones going
[10:45] <end_guy> Deploys that take 20 minutes really suck.
[10:47] <kolix> hey guys, I'm trying to run a php script on my local web server but i'm getting permission denied
[10:47] <kolix> http://pastie.org/4037176
[10:47] <fidel> kolix: is php itself working on your box?
[10:47] <XiRoN> try chmod 777 *
[10:48] <kolix> how do i configure permissions
[10:48] <kolix> yes
[10:48] <kolix> when i run php -q file.php i get the output correctly
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> XiRoN:  err... dont be suggesting sillly things like that.
[10:48] <BlueChaos> hello guys
[10:48] <crizis> why are these owned by root anyway
[10:48] <fidel> kolix: do you see that the file is owned by root - while your webserver runs most likely as www-data?
[10:48] <kolix> yeah
[10:48] <XiRoN> Dr_Willis: But he should be in #programming
[10:48] <XiRoN> Dr_Willis: Or #php
[10:49] <fidel> kolix: keywords regarding permissions are: chown, chmod & chgrp
[10:49] <BlueChaos> i'am tryng to install cacti network monitoring and look what  gave me .
[10:49] <kolix> I'm new to linux sysadmin
[10:49] <XiRoN> P
[10:49] <XiRoN> :P
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> he was in #apache i belive
[10:49] <XiRoN> lol
[10:49] <kolix> i'll try apache
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com might have a solution also
[10:50] <fidel> kolix: take yourself some time and read about the 3 cmds i mentioned above
[10:50] <end_guy> kolix: The proper solution is to create ~/public_html as a not root user and tell apache server to use that directory for web content by default (assuming you're using apache)
[10:50] <fidel> that might help understanding the permission idea in general and how you apply them
[10:50] <kolix> end_guy, can you tell me how to set this up
[10:50] <end_guy> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/public_html.html
[10:50] <kolix> so, create a dir in /var/www/public_html
[10:50] <kolix> i can do that
[10:51] <end_guy> no
[10:51] <end_guy> in /home/some_user/
[10:51] <fidel> kolix: please dont get me wrong - but doing without understanding is only a good idea if you keep it limited to a local network- in case this affects some public server - it makes much more sense to udnerstand the theory first before you do
[10:51] <end_guy> i.e. mkdir /home/some_user/public_html
[10:51] <spellbreaker> DarwinSurvivor, Thanks again for your hints, works like a charm. /dev/ttyUSBx appears now when plugging in the Silicon Labs cable. Thx :)
[10:52] <kolix> ok, I want to do this correctly
[10:52] <BlueChaos> someone to help me ?
[10:52] <kolix> I'm running a vm mock setup before i get my amazon ec2 instance
[10:52] <kolix> So i want to be able to set things up correctly
[10:52] <BlueChaos> with my problem I cannot install cacti on my system I don`t know what errors give becose installation don`t continue to install
[10:52] <fidel> BlueChaos: try to re-state the entire question. i think you missed the error-message above
[10:52] <end_guy> then you'll sudo vim /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and replace /var/www with /home/some_user/public_html
[10:52] <end_guy> then you restart apache
[10:53] <BlueChaos> dbconfig-common: writing config to /etc/dbconfig-common/cacti.conf
[10:53] <BlueChaos> Replacing config file /etc/dbconfig-common/cacti.conf with new version
[10:53] <BlueChaos> Replacing config file /etc/cacti/debian.php with new version
[10:53] <BlueChaos> Setting up cacti-spine (0.8.7i-1ubuntu1) ...
[10:53] <BlueChaos> Replacing config file /etc/cacti/spine.conf with new version
[10:53] <BlueChaos> bluechaos@LuxTeam:~$
[10:53] <FloodBot1> BlueChaos: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:54] <BlueChaos> soz for that
[10:54] <BlueChaos> look here
[10:54] <BlueChaos>  
[10:55] <BlueChaos>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026607/
[10:55] <BlueChaos> I don`t know why the installation don`t continue to install becouse I follow the steps from this tutorial
[10:55] <BlueChaos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQmE4IwNVvo
[10:56] <kolix> ok quick question
[10:56] <kolix> how do i save and quite out of vim lol
[10:56] <fidel> BlueChaos: the first part of your paste shows that you are trying to install packages which arent available at all
[10:56] <fidel> could it be that you refer to some older tutorial?
[10:57] <end_guy> kolix: Did you figure it out?
[10:57] <fidel> BlueChaos: so what i see in your paste is that cacti-frine is the only problem of your paste
[10:57] <Yolateng0> hi
[10:57] <fidel> kolix: :wq
[10:57] <BlueChaos> fidel how can I remove cacti settings/packed  and tryng to install again  i'am mean from command .
[10:58] <fidel> BlueChaos: i could tell you the command to uninstall - but i doubt it is a clever idea to use apt without knowing what the commands do
[10:58] <Nom-> So anyone else affected by the Google issues in Aus just spend 10 minutes trying to work out why their internet was broken?
[10:58] <kolix> http://pastie.org/4037211
[10:58] <kolix> this is what my file looks like now
[10:59] <fidel> have you considered playing with apt first before you use it? it might help understanding error-messages and is somehow one of the most relevant thinkgs to understand in ubuntu/debian distris
[10:59] <kolix> i have /home/brandon/public_html set up too
[11:00] <BlueChaos> allright fidel  give me the command please to remove all installation folders/config (cacti and try to install it again ) I unistall the cacti from (unbuntu software manager) an installed it again but the same think installation don`t continue is stopped by Mysql password I quess
[11:01] <curiousx> aloha all :D
[11:01] <curiousx> *wind sounds*
[11:01] <sburjan> Hello. can someone tell me a decent twitter client for ubuntu ? something that has url shortening feature
[11:02] <fidel> BlueChaos: your keyword is: apt-get remove --purge -> hf completing that
[11:02] <Oins> Where can I find the .bashrc template file for new users? Tried /etc/bash.bashrc; /etc/skel/.bashrc /; /usr/share/base-files/dot.bashrc; /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/adduser.local.conf.examples/... but all files are not the right one :(
[11:02] <kolix> fidel, i figured it out sorta
[11:02] <Chuck_Norris> sburjan: give me a couple of minutes
[11:02] <fidel> sburjan: gwibber is afaik the pre-installed one
[11:02] <Rudi> boboek
[11:02] <Rudi> d
[11:02] <kolix> now want i type localhost into browser i get "You don't have permission to access / on this server."
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> Oins: should be /etc/skel for users
[11:03] <LjL> sburjan: i have no recommendation, but i can see from the package list that "turpial" and "choqok" have url shortening
[11:03] <smart1> hi there, i got a question about upgrading ubuntu12.04 beta to lts. i'm just a user, so i don't know that much about the normal configuration of linuxes. how do i have to update when the "repositories" are wrong. i use apt-get update. then i get an index error that not all   links are correct. how  can i fix this? (sry, but i get the german text so i translated it a lil rough)
[11:03] <sburjan> thanks fidel, LjL
[11:03] <fidel> !de > smart1
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> smart1:  whats the exact error. pastebin it if its long
[11:03] <end_guy> kolix: I'm looking at my config, one second
[11:04] <kolix> ok thanks
[11:04] <kolix> btw, i had to restart apache for changes to take effects
[11:04] <Oins> Dr_Willis: I think so too, but changes on /etc/skel/ does not work :(
[11:04] <LjL> fidel: i think there is no reason to give !de just because they mentioned they've translated the error :P
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> Oins:  you are making the change then using adduser to make a new user?
[11:05] <Oins> Dr_Willis: right. ;)
[11:05] <Oins> Changed /etc/skel/.bashrc and then adduser xyz
[11:06] <Oins> after that /home/xyz/.bashrc != /etc/skel/.bashrc
[11:06] <Ca11umD> Does Ubuntu not have an alternative of SMB?
[11:06] <Ca11umD> From looking at how to use SMB, it's all hacky stuff
[11:07] <fidel> Ca11umD: there are alternatives - the question is what are you really looking for
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> Ca11umD  canonical does not invent or develop protocols
[11:07] <alesis> hey guys, how do i change the typing language on ubuntu? when it asked me while installing, it worked with ALT + SHIFT but now it won't work and I have to do it  manually from top bar
[11:07] <Ca11umD> fidel: Just the ability to host shared directories on a server machine, and LAN machines can access/edit the files
[11:08] <end_guy> kolix: http://pastie.org/4037250 <-- your config should be this, and i'm looking into the permission problem
[11:08] <end_guy> I've had this working a couple of times
[11:08] <Wiz_KeeD> does anyone know how i can add TTF's to openoffice in ubuntu 10.04 Lucid?
[11:08] <fidel> Ca11umD: so in theory - ftp can do that, ssh can do that, afp can do that and several other protocols too
[11:08] <fidel> all of those have pro and cons - depending on what you use & know
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> Oins:  i edited /etc/skel/.bashrc then ran adduser billgates, he got the changed file
[11:09] <Ca11umD> fidel: It needs to be extremely simple - as simple as double-clicking an icon
[11:09] <Ca11umD> Since computer novices will be using it
[11:09] <fidel> Ca11umD: sharing with permissions is never 'just pressing one button'
[11:09] <fidel> sharing without permissions is almosat always unsecure
[11:09] <Ca11umD> I mean on the client's aspect
[11:09] <LjL> Ca11umD: but, SMB use is transparent inside GNOME... users *can* just click the icons.
[11:09] <Wiz_KeeD> anyone?
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> !anyone
[11:10] <fidel> Wiz_KeeD: shouldnt it just use whatever font your os can offer?
[11:10] <LjL> !fonts | Wiz_KeeD, maybe this helps
[11:10] <MonkeyDust> Wiz_KeeD  better ask in #openoffice
[11:10] <Wiz_KeeD> MonkeyDust, there's only one user there :)
[11:11] <Wiz_KeeD> i've downloaded code 39 font and i want to use it in openoffice
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> copy it to your .fonts dir?
[11:11] <Wiz_KeeD> where is that Dr_Willis ?
[11:11] <MonkeyDust> Wiz_KeeD  maybe in #libreoffice, then, it's similar to openoffice
[11:12] <Wiz_KeeD> good point there MonkeyDust, thanks
[11:12] <Wiz_KeeD> Dr_Willis, any ideea how i can find the font directory?
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> in your home dir.. same as all other .whatever dirs  make it if you dont have it
[11:12] <angs> does linaro-image-tools and live-build work in ubuntu?
[11:12] <Oins> Dr_Willis: now it works o_O confused ... Thank you
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> i think this is covered in the font factoid urls given earlier
[11:12] <fidel> Wiz_KeeD: isnt code 39 a barcode thing? afaik openoffice offers extensions for barcodes
[11:12] <Wiz_KeeD> fidel, it does? where?
[11:13] <fidel> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/barcode
[11:13] <fidel> maybe interesting in that context
[11:14] <Wiz_KeeD> yeah i was just browsing that page
[11:14] <Wiz_KeeD> .oxt? what the hell is that
[11:14] <Wiz_KeeD> the extension for the plugin on openoffice i presume
[11:14] <end_guy> kolix: chmod -R +x /home
[11:15] <kolix> got it
[11:15] <kolix> i figured it out
[11:15] <kolix> thanks endguy
[11:15] <end_guy> kolix: that should fix you up, just make sure IP tables is locked down
[11:15] <end_guy> cool
[11:15] <kolix> thanks a lot
[11:15] <captainjamie> How do you put pictures on an iPod touch?
[11:15] <end_guy> if you're using EC2 it should be locked down
[11:16] <angs> does linaro-image-tools and live-build work in ubuntu?
[11:16] <angs> 12.04?
[11:17] <Wiz_KeeD> fidel, i generate a report using openoffice and i wanted a font to automatically transform text into barcodes, i've downloaded that extension and i see nothing in the insert menu as it suggests
[11:17] <captainjamie> Never mind, worked it out now
[11:18] <Wiz_KeeD> back to finding the font directory
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> for a single user its .font or .fonts  i dont remember now
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> i think its .fonts
[11:19] <llutz> !info linaro-image-tools | angs
[11:20] <angs> thanks llutz
[11:22] <angs> I use "iwlist wlan0 scan", I can not see the whole list as there are 25 APs around me, how can I see the whole list? what parameter do I need to add?
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> command | more
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> command | less
[11:23] <angs> thanks
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> ;) q to quit
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> see man less or man more for moar info
[11:24] <angs> thank you :)
[11:24] <Ca11umD> When I 'touch name.sh', the document doesn't appear in the GUI, yet it is listed in 'dir'
[11:24] <Chuck_Norris> i found the twitter client :D
[11:25] <Ca11umD> Is there a setting to toggle hiding such files?
[11:25] <Chuck_Norris> is there the user that was asking for a good twitter client?
[11:25] <BlueChaos> fidel
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> refresh the gui listing
[11:26] <fidel> Chuck_Norris: yep - but that was some minutes ago
[11:26] <fidel> BlueChaos: what? randomly mentoning the name of single users without context isnt that helpful ;)
[11:26] <Chuck_Norris> ye... i know i was playing arround with a chamaleonick gtk theme =P
[11:26] <BlueChaos> tell me a new rrdtool for monitoring systems and services
[11:27] <fidel> BlueChaos: nagios would be my choice
[11:27] <Chuck_Norris> this is the twitter client that i wanna to give him: https://launchpad.net/polly
[11:27] <Wiz_KeeD> Dr_Willis, fidel and MonkeyDust thank you for your help, i have solved my problem!
[11:27] <BlueChaos> ok let me try
[11:28] <Ca11umD> So how do I show bash scripts in the Ubuntu GUI?
[11:28] <end_guy> Another deploy, who needs help? :-)
[11:28] <end_guy> Ca11umD: define Ubuntu GUI?
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> Ca11umD:  they show up like any other file here
[11:29] <fidel> BlueChaos: but nagios is not that easy to start with in the first place
[11:29] <ndee> when I'm on the shell, I see user@host. Is it somehow possible to add the current time to that?
[11:29] <Ca11umD> For me they are hidden, seemingly
[11:29] <fidel> BlueChaos: so be sure - it needs some time to get the logic
[11:29] <BlueChaos> can u help me ?:>
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> ndee:  check out the 'bash prompt howto'
[11:29] <end_guy> ndee: yes, check your ~/.bashrc
[11:29] <Zally666> Hi so whats the cmd to autodetect and re install a tv tuner card?
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> Zally666:  its more likely your tunner apps are missconfigured. if the card used to work
[11:30] <Zally666> Or howto remove driver and install
[11:30] <Zally666> Or howto remove driver and install
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> removeing the driver wont reset the users configs
[11:31] <gogo_> hi where can i report sru rgression?
[11:31] <Zally666> Purge all tv
[11:31] <Zally666> Purge all tv
[11:31] <Ca11umD> Is touch not the right command to make files?
[11:31] <Ca11umD> None of them appear in the Ubuntu interface
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> Ca11umD:  you did reload the directory?
[11:32] <ThinkT510> Ca11umD: where are you touching them?
[11:32] <MonkeyDust> Ca11umD  touch hhh.sh ... appears in nautilus, ok, it must be something local on your pc
[11:32] <Ca11umD> Dr_Willis: Yes
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> touch creates an empty file. try echo to make one with text in it
[11:33] <Zally666> Dr i accidentally installed another driver while installing vdr
[11:33] <Ca11umD> ThinkT510, kinky
[11:33] <fidel> Ca11umD: touch should work - as long as the filename provides doenst exist already
[11:33] <ThinkT510> Ca11umD: i mean do you have write access to the directory?
[11:34] <Zally666> So how to remove a driver?
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> Zally666:  linux dosenr really use drivers in that way for most things.  the kernel had modules/dirivers for the hardware  normally included by default
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> if you installed 'somthing' tht you think broke stuff.. then remove the package you installed
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> with the purge option if you want it totally gone
[11:35] <Zally666> So its a matter of modprobe then
[11:35] <end_guy> ndee: https://gist.github.com/2881404
[11:35] <end_guy> ndee: That's something I did a few years ago
[11:35] <BlueChaos> fidel
[11:35] <ThinkT510> Zally666: lsmod will list the modules loaded
[11:36] <ndee> end_guy, sweet, gonna take a look at it
[11:36] <BlueChaos> look the same problem
[11:36] <BlueChaos> http://pastie.org/4037362
[11:36] <Zally666> Ty think
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> !tab| Zally666
[11:37] <end_guy> BlueChaos: sudo killall -9 dpkg, or if that doesn't work ps -A | grep dpkg and get the pid and kill -9 that thing.
[11:38] <Ca11umD> http://pastebin.com/TV8Dk1FE
[11:38] <Ca11umD> When it gets to the SSH part, the terminal just closes.
[11:38] <fidel> BlueChaos: please dont just yell me name
[11:38] <llutz> Ca11umD: "ssh $addr"
[11:38] <fidel> BlueChaos: the error is btw a totally different one to your cacti error
[11:39] <Ca11umD> Thanks, llutz
[11:39] <fidel> BlueChaos: if you dont see the diff in those 2 apt-feedbacks - you shouldnt use apt as long as you see at least the textual diff. Have you followed my advice to read about apt first?
[11:40] <BlueChaos> w8 to translate
[11:40] <BlueChaos> answer when i'w done
[11:41] <end_guy> Ca11umD: http://pastebin.com/i9qEUtGF
[11:43] <fidel> BlueChaos: the last error looks to me like you are trying to use your paket-management from 2 places at the same time. which is a thing that doesnt work with apt. so if 1 process is running and using apt - you cant just run another second update-cmd in the same time. thats the first impression - if thats not the case i wouldnt need more infos. But try to start with understanding apt first - its the best way if you want to use .deb based linux system in the ...
[11:43] <fidel> ... future as well
[11:43] <Ormie> Hello
[11:43] <kantlivelong> any users here with an ATI Radeon HD 6870 and get fglrx working?
[11:44] <Ormie> I am chatting on telnet, It's so dizzy here, I am installing ubuntu here though :D
[11:44] <MonkeyDust> kantlivelong  that's a yes/no question, what's the actual issue?
[11:45] <Ormie> ?
[11:45] <kantlivelong> MonkeyDust: theres excessive tearing/video corruption. the opensource driver works but not for games in wine
[11:48] <Chuck_Norris> kantlivelong: open "Additional Dirvers" and install the proprietary driver
[11:48] <kantlivelong> Chuck_Norris: yes ive tried that.. both will cause X not to start or be complete mess... using the websites driver works somewhat better but really isnt usable
[11:48] <kantlivelong> 11.10 64 btw
[11:49] <mw__> hi everybody. i did just build a raid1 with two 1TB (~931GB) disks and formatted it with ext4. it works nicely and is now resyncing. i noticed that df -h tells me that 14GB are already used, but there is not a single file on the drive (only lost+found of cource, bat that is empty). is this normal overhead or is something wrong?
[11:49] <fellayaboy> is it possible to change the background of the login screen to your own custom photo ? the default wallpapers seem to be the only wallpapers that will show up during the login window
[11:49] <Chuck_Norris> ah! well mah you should upgrade to 12.04 and you issues will be solved
[11:50] <Nom-> Anyone know an easy to way to download a package and it's dependencies?  I just want to download for a custom ISO (preferably using an apt-get command)
[11:50] <Chuck_Norris> once you using 12.04 install it using "Additional Drivers"
[11:50] <fellayaboy> Nom i think all u have to do is sudo apt-get install "package" or sudo aptitude install "package"
[11:50] <kantlivelong> Chuck_Norris: 12.04 breaks more than it fixes for other software. staying out of the multiarch mess for now
[11:51] <llutz> mw__:  there is 5% default reserved-blocks, to be changed using tune2fs -m
[11:51] <Nom-> fellayaboy: That install on the system, I need to download them only for a custom ISO
[11:51] <fellayaboy> ooohhh
[11:51] <Nom-> That's the one thing missing from the custom ISO guide it seems :/
[11:51] <mw__> llutz, 5% of 931 gb would be 46 gb. only 14 gb are shown used.
[11:52] <leeping> Hi there, I'm having some issue with using Emacs / Tramp.  When I edit remote files, occasionally Emacs will hang indefinitely and I have to "pkill" it.  This only started to happen with my new install of Precise.  Any tips?
[11:53] <kosko> what is the best way to load openvpn server at boot time
[11:53] <Zally666> At to bashrc
[11:53] <llutz> mw__: sudo tune2fs -l /dev/whatever  | grep Reserved
[11:53] <fellayaboy> nom theres gotta be a site where u can download a deb of that package and depencdices
[11:54] <blackshirt> kosko: i think, debian packages has setup it for you
[11:54] <kosko> blackshirt: well, it doesn't start at boot time
[11:54] <mw__> llutz, will try, give me a second
[11:55] <fellayaboy> nome r u still tehre
[11:55] <blackshirt> kosko: is it has init script ?
[11:55] <mw__> llutz, 12209517 blocks are reserved
[11:56] <Zally666> Kosko .bashrc but u need to login
[11:56] <mw__> llutz, that should be 6 gb
[11:56] <GNS3Talk> Gents, how can I modify the /etc/network/interfaces file to let my eth0 be the default network interface?
[11:57] <MonkeyDust> GNS3Talk  start by pasting the file here, use pastebin to do it
[11:58] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: I can't. I'm posting from my Mac and have no Internet connection on my Ubuntu
[11:58] <kosko> Zally666: bashrc to start upon user login not box load
[11:59] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: I have 13 ports on my PC to which I modified all 12 ports to have random static IP addresses. The only one which is actually connected is eth0 and set with static and valid IP address.
[11:59] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: The problem is that Ubuntu keeps choosing all other interfaces but the eth0 as per the 'route -n' command.
[12:00] <GNS3Talk> Modifying the /etc/network/interfaces file caused the boot up time to slow down to few minutes as well!
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> GNS3Talk  does the file contain the lines 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet static' ?
[12:03] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: affirmative!
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> mmm
[12:04] <mw__> hi everybody. i did just build a raid1 with two 1TB (~931GB) disks and formatted it with ext4. it works nicely and is now resyncing. i noticed that df -h tells me that 14GB are already used, but there is not a single file on the drive (only lost+found of cource, but that is empty). is this normal overhead or is something wrong?
[12:04] <GNS3Talk> I have the IP address, subnetmask, DNS server setting correct, but don't know why the OS doesn't want to choose it as the default interface!
[12:05] <kolix> Hi guys
[12:05] <kolix> anothe rproblem here
[12:05] <kolix> I'm using the php shell_exec functiont o execute a python script
[12:05] <kolix> however, the python script needs root privelages
[12:05] <kolix> what's a solution to this problem?
[12:05] <fidel> kolix: how is that problem ubuntu-specific?
[12:06] <LordOfTime> kolix:  try asking in ##php or #python
[12:06] <LordOfTime> or both
[12:07] <xcava> hello
[12:07] <kolix> I did ask in there
[12:07] <kolix> they said ask in here
[12:07] <LordOfTime> kolix:  no they didnt
[12:07] <kolix> so now my problem is editing /etc/sudoers
[12:07]  * LordOfTime read the ##php logs
[12:07] <kolix> lol
[12:07] <LordOfTime> kolix:  if you need to use sudo to run a script you're doing it wrong
[12:07] <rymate1234> ^
[12:07] <fidel> kolix: visudo is your keyword for editing the sudoers part
[12:08] <LordOfTime> PHP can run python *without* sudo
[12:08] <LordOfTime> i've done it twice
[12:08] <LordOfTime> then i set up a python backend xD
[12:08] <kolix> can't i just set the permissions of the script
[12:09] <LordOfTime> kolix:  if you have to run a python script accessible via PHP as root, you're doing it wrong
[12:09] <LordOfTime> so not really
[12:09] <kosko> what CLI utility do you use to manage daemons startup options?
[12:09] <kosko> sysv-rc-cofg
[12:09] <kosko> sysv-rc-coff
[12:09] <kosko> ?
[12:09] <kosko> i.e. if the daemon will start at boot time
[12:09] <ThinkT510> !upstart | kosko
[12:09] <kolix> LordOfTime, well apache is running as root i think
[12:10] <kosko> ThinkT510: thanks
[12:10] <kolix> i had to do that to runt he intial php script to begin with
[12:10] <kosko> thinks :)
[12:10] <kolix> I'm just so frustrated setting all this stuff up
[12:10] <kolix> linux makes everything a pain in the ass to configure
[12:10] <LordOfTime> kolix:  then hire an admin to set it up
[12:11] <LordOfTime> kolix:  better question by the way:
[12:11] <LordOfTime> kolix:  why do you need to run python via PHP?
[12:11] <kolix> parseing jpeg file
[12:11] <kolix> opencv stuff
[12:11] <kolix> etc
[12:11] <kolix> so it's needed
[12:11] <LordOfTime> !enter
[12:12] <Zally666> How would i run python in php again?
[12:12] <LordOfTime> kolix:  did you try just using exec('command')?  or do you need to see the returned output
[12:13] <kolix> i need to see returned output
[12:13] <kolix> LordOfTime, so i just want to add apache to /etc/sudoers
[12:14] <LordOfTime> kolix:  no you dont
[12:14] <LordOfTime> under no circumstances
[12:14] <LordOfTime> ITSec reasons
[12:14] <fidel> ;)
[12:14] <kolix> LordDeath, this a vm dev server
[12:14] <kolix> i don't care
[12:14] <LordOfTime> !sudoers
[12:14] <LordOfTime> bleh
[12:14] <LordOfTime> they need more factoids!
[12:14] <angs> is there any tool for measuring wireless signals in ubuntu apart from iwlist wlan0 scan?
[12:15] <mw__> how long does it take to rebuild a raid array? i just made a 1tb raid1 from tweo disks, and /proc/mdstat tells me that resync will be finished in 14720 minutes (which is about ten days). is that ok?
[12:15] <alankila> mw__: it depends on the disk utilization. When idle, the md driver tends to use the free bandwidth.
[12:15] <fidel> mw__: depends on the setup
[12:15] <alankila> and no, 10 days is not okay, that corresponds to an extremely low performance
[12:15] <LordOfTime> kolix:  try just chowning the python script so apache has ownership
[12:15] <fidel> mw__: mdadm supports i.e. bitmaps whoich should speed up the sync a bit iirc
[12:16] <kolix> now the command
[12:16] <kolix> know*?
[12:16] <alankila> but it might happen if the disks are loaded...
[12:16] <kolix> chown ..
[12:16] <LordOfTime> kolix:  depends on the apache user
[12:16] <LordOfTime> it *should* be www-data for its helpers
[12:16] <kolix> well its www-data i think
[12:16] <LordOfTime> in a sane environment
[12:16] <fidel> kolix: try to speak in full sentences - it really helps following you
[12:16] <LordOfTime> agreed
[12:17] <kolix> ok, can you help me with the command?
[12:17] <fidel> you dont talk in single word phrases to your girl-friend / boss either ;)
[12:17] <kolix> hahaha
[12:17] <LordOfTime> i'm out the door to a meeting kolix, perhaps someone else can
[12:17] <kolix> ok
[12:17] <fidel> kolix: regarding sudoers file - use visudo to edit it
[12:17] <fidel> if you really think thats the way to go
[12:18] <kolix> fidel, ok. So how do i add apache/www-data to it to run this script?
[12:18] <mw__> alankila, fidel: ok thanks. i just thought that 10 days is freakin much... i will leave the server to itself now and check back in a few hours.
[12:18] <alankila> mw__: with any luck you get something like 50 MB/s syncing when other activity ceases
[12:18] <wylde_> to change ownership with chown 'sudo chown www-data:www-data /path/to/directory'
[12:19] <alankila> mw__: that will cut down the wait period by a factor of 50, if I calculated your speed correctly, so it should be ready in some 3-4 hours, I guess (which is normal)
[12:19] <mw__> alankila, i would be happy with that. i do now have 10 mb. also, i wonder why 14 gb of /dev/md0 are already in use
[12:19] <alankila> mw__: ext4 filesystem reserved portion most likely
[12:20] <mw__> alankila, i thought that too, and someone here mentioned it too. but 1. the reserved part is not shown in df -h afaik, also it would be 46 gb and not 14
[12:20] <alankila> you calculated 5 % of the volume size as 46 GB?
[12:21] <alankila> yeah, anyway, idk how it goes. There's some part lost because of journal and some part for the static inode structures and then this reserved block % or count.
[12:21] <mw__> alankila, yup. it is a 1TB drive which has 931 "real" GB capacity. 5% of 931 is 46
[12:23] <Nom-> Is it viable to completely rm -rf the pool from the Ubuntu ISO and download just ubuntu-minimal and some specific packages into a debootstrap environment & build from that?
[12:24] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: I got it working mate.
[12:24] <mw__> alankila, i did now set the minimum rebuild speed up to 5 mb which already cuts down the rebuild speed a lot. any other ideas for the used space? or is 14 gb simply "usual overhead"?
[12:24] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: The problem was that I had 'gateway' set to all other 12 interfaces which I shouldn't have. The time it took Ubuntu to look for the gateways for all the 12 NICs was causing the OS to take long time to boot up.
[12:25] <alankila> mw__: unfortunately I'm not able to account for the space loss in ext4 filesystems, but in general I do not worry about 1-2 % space overheards at all
[12:25] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: Once I removed the 'gateway' from the /etc/network/interfaces and left the eth0 intact, I got my internet connection back, and my booting time is back to normal.
[12:25] <kolix> hey guys
[12:25] <alankila> filesystems are like that, they always lose some portion for metadata and ext4's allocation of metadata is static. Maybe it's mostly inode tables.
[12:25] <mw__> alankila, i guess that is the right way to see this. thank you very much for yur help.
[12:26] <MonkeyDust> !yay| GNS3Talk
[12:26] <kolix> "sudo visudo /etc/sudoers" is giving me a manpage of it's useage [-chqsV] [-f sudoers]
[12:26] <kolix> how do i edit the file?
[12:26] <Nom-> sudo visudo
[12:26] <alankila> I have a new ubuntu install on a small 16 GB microsd and it's btrfs which for instance indicates that 240 MB of hte filesystem is metadata (out of 3.16 GB of files)
[12:26] <Pici> kolix: sudo visudo
[12:26] <Nom-> no args
[12:26] <GNS3Talk> MonkeyDust: Thanks mate :)
[12:27] <alankila> so there's apparently like 7 %
[12:27] <alankila> filesystems -- they simply are like that. On the other hand, because of the compression feature of this filesystem it actually holds 3.8 GB of data, so the overhead is free
[12:29] <ech0s7> hi
[12:29] <ech0s7> i have a problem with wifi atheros ar9285 and ubuntu 12.04 with kernel 3.2.0-23
[12:30] <ech0s7> rfkill return me always that device is hard blocked
[12:30] <acicula> bios/hardware switch?
[12:31] <ech0s7> acicula, i haven't hardware switch
[12:31] <ech0s7> and i have seen in bios, there isn't any wifi entry
[12:31] <Mossyfunk> How can I set folders to show full address i.e /home/.../.../...?
[12:32] <ech0s7> acicula, on windows i switch on pressing Fn+F8, on ubuntu this key enable/disable soft block
[12:32] <angs> what package do I need to install to have linaro-image-tools
[12:32] <kolix> hey guys, trying to get apache/www-data to execute python scripts as root
[12:33] <kolix> is my /etc/sudoers file look ok? (it's still not working)
[12:33] <kolix> http://pastie.org/4037619
[12:40] <shahriyarguliyev> hi
[12:41] <rymate1234> shahriyarguliyev, need help? :)
[12:42] <shahriyarguliyev> rymate1234: yes. can u help?
[12:42] <rymate1234> yes if you ask
[12:42] <fidel> !ask > shahriyarguliyev
[12:43] <blackshirt> shahriyarguliyev, whats your problem ?
[12:43] <Mossyfunk> How can I make folders show full path in  the address bar? The buttons don't even show the true path from /
[12:43] <fidel> Mossyfunk: talking about what? nautilus?
[12:44] <Mossyfunk> default FM in 12.04
[12:44] <shahriyarguliyev> ubottu: how to see private messages?
[12:44] <ech0s7> acicula, i have found the fix
[12:44] <fidel> Mossyfunk: consider checking the nautilus preferences
[12:45] <shahriyarguliyev> ubottu: send it again
[12:45] <Mossyfunk> fidel, I have. there's no such option there
[12:45] <ech0s7> With the battery and AC adapter removed, close the Power switch for half-a-minute.
[12:45] <ech0s7> Re-attach those, press the Power button to turn the computer on, and then immediately press the F2 key while the Toshiba logo is displayed. Press F9 to restore the BIOS default settings, press F10, and then select Yes (Exit Saving Changes). The computer will restart.
[12:45] <shahriyarguliyev> you're not bot stop kidding me human being!
[12:45] <fidel> shahriyarguliyev: its a but
[12:45] <fidel> *bot*
[12:46] <shahriyarguliyev> fidel: oh. how to see private messages?
[12:46] <fidel> shahriyarguliyev: that depends on your irc setup/client
[12:46] <shahriyarguliyev> fidel: QUassel here
[12:46] <fidel> most likely there is some additional window/view
[12:46] <fidel> shahriyarguliyev: i dont know that client
[12:46] <fidel> !ask > shahriyarguliyev
[12:46] <fidel> at least now you have one ;)
[12:47] <Mossyfunk> there's nothing I can find, or in help, or in ubuntu 12.04 docs.
[12:47] <fidel> Mossyfunk: i still dont really get your problem - so feel free to describe it more detailed
[12:47] <fidel> as in: what app are we talking about - what are you missing - and what you have tried to far
[12:47] <shahriyarguliyev> fidel: i didnt get messages, inanycase it's a bot
[12:47] <shahriyarguliyev> fidel: my question is easier as you can answer it
[12:48] <fidel> shahriyarguliyev: dont be a lazy one
[12:48] <fidel> it has a reason if someone inhere sends you a message
[12:48] <eeriks> Can ubuntu text-documents be read by windows?
[12:48] <shahriyarguliyev> fidel: i cannot install tarballs, can you explain howtos?
[12:48] <fidel> erratic: yes for sure - if text is .txt for you - why shouldnt it?
[12:48] <fidel> eeriks: i ment
[12:48] <angs> does anyone use ubuntu-arm in beaglebone, beagleboard or pandaboard?
[12:49] <Mossyfunk> fidel, In nautilus, the default FM in ubuntu 12.04, when i browse to a folder at the top of the screen there are a series of buttons referring to the folder tree I have gone through to get to the current folder, I just want it to show ie /home/user/Downloads/...   so I can see an accurate and visible path to the files I am browsing.
[12:49] <shahriyarguliyev> fidel: e.g. i downloaded SeaMonkey borwser, but it has no apt-get package on ubuntu. so have to install tarball. well, i dont know how to do it
[12:50] <Mossyfunk> fidel,  I have looked through nautilus preferences, help and ubuntu 12.04 docs. It just seems like to much of a simple thing to have been ommitted.
[12:50] <fidel> shahriyarguliyev: no i am not going to explain you things you could easily answer yourself spending 10 minutes with a search-engine. homew someone else will - or use your time
[12:50] <Jonii> Hey, I need help, I'm about to move a partition that contains my Ubuntu 12.4. Gparted warned me that GRUB will most likely be messed up because of this. How to fix?
[12:50] <shahriyarguliyev> fidel: ur bad :/
[12:51] <Jonii> I mean, it shouldn't be much of a problem, right?
[12:51] <KacoDCC> hello
[12:53] <Jonii> I'm now using ubuntu 12.4 live usb boot, I already have Ubuntu 12.4 installed but resizing did not work when i was in ubuntu itself
[12:53] <warfaren> hi
[12:55] <Guest7520> does gentoo have an irc server?
[12:55] <warfaren> I just changed computer. both running ubuntu 10.04.4, i copied the home dir from the old pc to the new one but i get problems with video playback in both VLC and totem. after i played a few videos i just get a black screen. this doesn't seem to happen if i create a new user but i want to preserve my home dir
[12:55] <bazhang> Guest7520, #gentoo
[12:57] <fidel> Mossyfunk: maybe i have mixed it up with Thunar - an alternative filemanager
[12:57] <Mossyfunk> Unity would be great, if it wasn't so dumbed down and un-configurable.
[12:58] <Mossyfunk> fidel, ok i'll have a look at thunar
[12:58] <multiHYP> hi
[12:58] <multiHYP> name a few disadvantages of a cronjob.
[12:58] <fidel> Mossyfunk: on the other hand - if i click the firsz (from left) of those buttons - the order changes
[12:59] <llutz> multiHYP: your teacher wants you to answer, not us
[12:59] <multiHYP> its not a bloody school question, I'm passed that age douche!
[12:59] <multiHYP> why are incompetent unimaginative people always reply like that?
[12:59] <fidel> according to your language -> not ;)
[12:59] <multiHYP> fidel: join the list ^
[12:59] <maik_w_1997> Hello guys!
[13:00] <maik_w_1997> Is anyone here who comes from Germany?
[13:00] <fidel> !de > maik_w_1997
[13:00] <multiHYP> anyone with answers please let me know.
[13:00] <multiHYP> no teacher uses actually the phrase 'cronjob'. what a douche.
[13:01] <LjL> multiHYP: this is a technical support channel for Ubuntu, please keep the topic appropriate
[13:01] <wylde_> !attitude | multiHYP
[13:02] <meowsus> Does anyone know why when I plug my headphones into the front panel on my computer and listen to music, mp3s come out all weird and garbled, but flac files play just fine?
[13:02] <multiHYP> ubottu: idiocy is ok?
[13:02] <meowsus> It's only with the front panel headphone jack. The back panel plays everything fine. I'm running Lubuntu 12.04
[13:02] <meowsus> Sorry 11.10
[13:02] <fidel> multiHYP: thats a bot
[13:02] <multiHYP> oh bot, wylde_ idiocy in simple minded people is acceptable?
[13:03] <acicula> multiHYP: keep insulting people and you'll just get banned
[13:03] <wylde_> multiHYP: this is also the "ubuntu" support channel. Do you have an actual ubuntu support question?
[13:03] <LjL> multiHYP: stop it. "name a few disadvantages of a cronjob" was not a support question, maybe llutz was wrong in assuming it was a school question but it doesn't matter.
[13:03] <multiHYP> who have i insulted?
[13:03] <multiHYP> acicula: ?
[13:03] <LjL> multiHYP: drop it. now.
[13:03] <multiHYP> yes fair enough
[13:04] <multiHYP> but acicula seems to be part of the band of trolls.
[13:04] <acicula> byebye
[13:04] <multiHYP> LjL: I have been here very often.
[13:05] <multiHYP> your response to their trolling was amazing. good day.
[13:05] <trond-> multiHYP, why do you want to know the disadvantages of a cronjob?
[13:05] <trond-> ah, to late..
[13:10] <me-1> hi..is there a flash video downloader for ubuntu..?
[13:10] <llutz> me-1: cclive
[13:11] <Llennah> Good morning! I'm trying to make changes on boot.img, someone could help me?
[13:11]  * BlueChaos  Time To Blaze The Game lease me... !->
[13:11] <tol> hi guys
[13:11]  * BlueChaos  Time To Blaze The Game Release me .. (don`t u know I'am in love with u .. lalalala)
[13:12] <me-1> llutz,  is it CLI if yes how to use it..?
[13:12] <tol> i need to remove some items from the unity indicator session
[13:12] <doprdele> Hey, is there a way that I can failover for apt? (as in, if an apt source is down, it will try a second?) I am unable to find the answer on Google or inside the Docs
[13:12] <llutz> me-1: it is, "man cclive" for usage
[13:12] <tol> i figured out that i can use the gsettings command for it
[13:12] <me-1> llutz,  thank you
[13:12] <tol> but is there anywhere a list with the keys for the command?
[13:12] <ashish`> I have windows system broken. It says 'Operating system not found' I checked the bios and it doesn't recognize my hard disk. I 'tried' Ubuntu via live CD. Now, how I can see the hard-disk ?
[13:13] <Wipster> hey, is it possible to change what xsession is default on next boot from terminal, so not logging out and clicking ubuntu 2d for example
[13:13] <Mossyfunk> fidel, got it sorted, could have searched google a little more diligently hehe. Just seems like such an obvious to omit from preferences. Anyway, thanks for answering =)
[13:13] <Rodrigo> hi
[13:13] <iwkse> hi, anybody has this laptop? DELL Inspiron N411Z i5-2450M
[13:13] <Rodrigo> if i install ubuntu 11.04 (i dont like unity) will i have any problems bcuz current version is 12.04'
[13:13] <Rodrigo> ?
[13:14] <tol> iwkse: not exactly this model, but i have an inspiron too
[13:14] <rymate1234> ashish`, if there is no operating system found, it sounds like either your bootloader is broken or you wiped your hard disk
[13:14] <iwkse> tol: i'm searching info about the quality of the screen and speakers of it and i can't find anywhere
[13:14] <warfaren> something in my homedir is breaking video playback in vlc and totem, anyone got an idea what it is?
[13:14] <iwkse> so..it's not really on topic
[13:15] <Rodrigo> if i install ubuntu 11.04 (i dont like unity) will i have any problems bcuz current version is 12.04'
[13:15] <Rodrigo> ?
[13:15] <iwkse> tol: what kind of model do you have?
[13:15] <krux> problems with what
[13:15] <tol> iwkse: inspiron 9000
[13:15] <Ormie> what was that?
[13:15] <Ormie> troll wave.
[13:15] <Ormie> ?
[13:15] <Rodrigo> i mean compatiblity
[13:15] <Rodrigo> or lack of updates
[13:16] <Rodrigo> or lack of repository softwar eupgrade
[13:16] <Rodrigo> upgrade*
[13:16] <tol> and the spaekers and display are very good (imho)
[13:16] <tol> iwkse: but btt now ;)
[13:16] <iwkse> tol: bbt?
[13:17] <tol> iwkse: back to topic
[13:17] <iwkse> ah
[13:17] <iwkse> :)
[13:17] <iwkse> well..that's 9000 is a different model
[13:17] <OerHeks> Rodrigo, you will have updates till April 2013
[13:17] <Rodrigo> good
[13:18] <Rodrigo> so i can use classic gnome with no problems?
[13:18] <Rodrigo> :)
[13:18] <iwkse> the one i pasted is a slim one and i've already  seen a kind of bad mark on audio, but with no explanation...so i'm a bit investigating
[13:18] <Rodrigo> well in 1 year i will probably move to a more advanced distro, unless i fall in love for ubuntu
[13:18] <OerHeks> Rodrigo, there are other option than downgrade
[13:18] <ashish`> Can I do all operations with DVD itself for ubuntu?
[13:18] <Rodrigo> xD didnt start very well
[13:18] <OerHeks> !noubuntu
[13:18] <OerHeks> !nounity
[13:18] <krux> you could have installed Mate on 12.04 or any other window manager
[13:19] <MrCoder> I just did an update and it said that Grub had been updated but clicking the "forward" button did nothing unless I checked the box "Do not configure Grub", should I be worried?? Argh :(
[13:19] <Rodrigo> !class
[13:19] <Rodrigo> !lassic
[13:19] <Rodrigo> !classic
[13:20] <Rodrigo> ty
[13:20] <Rodrigo> cool bot ;)
[13:21] <ashish`> I have live-cd based ubuntu on my DVD. So when I write my data is it written on DVD ?
[13:21] <LjL> ashish`: no, it's written to RAM, and forgotten when you reboot
[13:21] <Rodrigo> write data to ram?
[13:21] <Rodrigo> for example files
[13:21] <Rodrigo> O.o?
[13:21] <LjL> yes
[13:21] <Rodrigo> i tought ram could only adress memory
[13:21] <LjL> it's called a RAM disk
[13:22] <LjL> Rodrigo: it is memory
[13:22] <Rodrigo> wow
[13:22] <Rodrigo> never knew about that
[13:23] <Rodrigo> i have to go install ubuntu 11.04
[13:23] <Rodrigo> cya guys
[13:23] <Rodrigo> :)
[13:23] <Rodrigo> thx for help
[13:23] <FloodBot1> Rodrigo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:23] <rizzylt> Everytime my machine running 12.04 goes into sleep mode and I wake it up everything I had opened before is now gone. Any ideas?
[13:26] <theubuntuwarrior> Morning
[13:27] <rebe1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEgk1Hdze0 anyone knows, what font is used in this video ?
[13:29] <MrCoder> I just did an update and it said that Grub had been updated but clicking the "forward" button did nothing unless I checked the box "Do not configure Grub", should I be worried?? Argh :( *bump*
[13:34] <Dantix> morning! I need an advice to choose a light weight window manager to use remotelly in a freenx session, I´m usually use gnome-classic.
[13:34] <llutz> Dantix: twm
[13:35] <Dantix> llutz: thanks
[13:37] <AceFace> good morning, all! :)
[13:37] <Zally666> Good afternoon
[13:38] <Zally666> 1600 hours allready
[13:39] <AceFace> 0630 here
[13:39] <genjix> how can i get ubuntu qantal?
[13:40] <fidel> genjix: downloading it would be 1 option
[13:40] <txomon|home> when using netboot, which is the impact of using priority=critical in the kernel args??
[13:40] <Zally666> Where is that ace?
[13:40] <fidel> in case you consider adding some words to explain your current ituation we might be able to provice better help
[13:40] <AceFace> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:40] <qurve> How do I make cloud-init write it's output to syslog (so I can ship it off to papertrail) ?
[13:40] <AceFace> portland, oregon, usa
[13:41] <genjix> thanks AceFace
[13:41] <genjix> and fidel
[13:41] <map7_> I'm trying to setup a dhcpd server on Ubuntu 12.04, I keep getting 'No subnet declaration for eth0' in my syslog
[13:42] <killer> is there a copt -paste program in linux
[13:42] <map7_> Do I have to setup a static IP in interfaces or is it ok to setup a static IP through networkmanager?
[13:42] <Zally666> Ace how do i make a livecd iso from my current install?
[13:42] <AceFace> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys
[13:43] <AceFace> try that ^ Zally666
[13:43] <Zally666> Thkx
[13:44] <resno> where can i find applets for ubuntu 12.04?
[13:44] <iceroot> Zally666: a real live-system which is read-only?
[13:44] <Zally666> Europe is near the eve when portland wakes up!
[13:44] <iceroot> Zally666: so changes will not survive a reboot
[13:46] <asciicmdr> morning.
[13:47] <Zally666> Its just to mess with it in virtualbox or to be able to reinstall it later
[13:48] <iceroot> Zally666: then a dump/backup is what you want and not a real live-system
[13:48] <AceFace> let him play
[13:50] <ardizuri> hi all
[13:50] <Seryth> Hey guys, I just updated from 11.10 to 12.04, and I've got two problems. One is that I have no audio at all, and the other is that I cannot use apt-get....I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026848/ I don't understand it...
[13:50] <mw__> i am trying to set up a luks crypted device. so far everything goes well, i can luksOpen the device nicely. i want to open the device at system boot time. i added the device via uuid inti /etc/crypttab and did update-initramfs. after reboot, i do not get asked for the passphrase and the device is not unlocked during boot. what did i miss?
[13:51] <ardizuri> I'm encountering problems with my AR9285 (atheros9k) wireless device
[13:51] <AceFace> Seryth: try reinstalling dpkg?
[13:51] <iceroot> AceFace: ...
[13:51] <Seryth> AceFace: I can't apt-get remove anything either
[13:51] <iceroot> AceFace: read the error message
[13:51] <ubuntu_64bit> hi gguysss
[13:51] <Seryth> AceFace: I can't use apt-get anywhere
[13:52] <LjL> Seryth: looks serious. "echo $PATH" will tell you if your path is set up correctly or not
[13:52] <AceFace> bummer
[13:52] <Seryth> LjL: Damn. Okay, tyring it now
[13:52] <ardizuri> I've tried all of what it is proposed in the forums
[13:52] <iceroot> LjL: isnt that using the root PATH?
[13:52] <Dantix> on twm, I can´t find thuderbird and it´s installed and can see it from my gnome-classic. What I need to do to add it to twm menus?
[13:52] <Seryth> LjL:  "$ echo $PATH" gave me "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
[13:53] <iceroot> how to read VARIABLES from root? without su, sudo bash or sudo -i
[13:53] <iceroot> Seryth: dpkg is not using your path, its using the PATH from root
[13:53] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[13:53] <Seryth> iceroot: Okay, and how can I fix this?
[13:53] <iceroot> Seryth: because dpkg itself is running as root
[13:53] <LjL> iceroot: oh i guess. Seryth, try sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH' instead
[13:53] <iceroot> Seryth: login as root and set the path
[13:53] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[13:54] <ardizuri> connection to low signal level routers is possible on my laptop when I boot w7
[13:54] <Seryth> iceroot:, LjL: Okay
[13:54] <ardizuri> but not in ubuntu
[13:54] <iceroot> Seryth: and pleae first run the command from LjL
[13:54] <Cottus> how can i add a program to the main repository
[13:54] <mw__> i am trying to set up a luks crypted device. so far everything goes well, i can luksOpen the device nicely. i want to open the device at system boot time. i added the device via uuid into /etc/crypttab and did update-initramfs. after reboot, i do not get asked for the passphrase and the device is not unlocked during boot. if i run cryptdisks_start it works fine. does it have to get mounted for being asked the passphrase?
[13:54] <Seryth> iceroot, LjL: same path result from that command
[13:54] <iceroot> Cottus: you mean how to become a maintainer?
[13:54] <Cottus> yes
[13:54] <Cottus> i'll google
[13:54] <LjL> Seryth: uh, including /usr/games?
[13:55] <ardizuri> I've ran out of ideas...
[13:55] <ardizuri> any suggestions here?
[13:55] <Seryth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026854/ LjL iceroot
[13:56] <iceroot> Seryth: you are missing /sbin
[13:56] <iceroot> root@Alien:/home/michael# which ldconfig
[13:56] <iceroot> /sbin/ldconfig
[13:56] <LjL> iceroot: oh! i missed that as well
[13:56] <iceroot> Seryth: did you edit a file called /root/.bashrc or something like that?
[13:56] <Seryth> iceroot: Uh okay. So wh----no, I didn't
[13:57] <Seryth> Though it might've got screwed up in the update...
[13:57] <iceroot> hm where is PATH set?
[13:57] <jn_> Trying to connect to work with VPNc.. is there a default IPSEC ID? The tech guys at my work only supplied a shared-secret key
[13:58] <Seryth> iceroot: The file .bashrc doesn't exist in /
[13:58] <iceroot> Seryth: /root/.bashrc
[13:58] <Cottus> actually i didn't find anything
[13:58] <meco> Can someone tell me what's wrong with this command:  at "mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile NRKP2.mp3 http://lyd.nrk.no/nrk_radio_p2_mp3_h" 14:30
[13:58] <iceroot> Seryth: /root/ is the home-dir of the root-user
[13:58] <Seryth> iceroot: Oh, my bad, I thought by /root/ you mean /
[13:58] <Seryth> Yeah
[13:58] <meco> I get this error: syntax error. Last token seen: m
[13:58] <meco> Garbled time
[13:59] <LjL> iceroot: /etc/environment
[13:59] <iceroot> LjL: thx
[13:59] <meco> If I try instead: at "wget http://lyd.nrk.no/nrk_radio_p2_mp3_h" 14:50
[13:59] <Seryth> iceroot: I just looked in the file, I've never touched it before
[13:59] <iceroot> Seryth: gksudo gedit /etc/environment
[13:59] <meco> I get this error: syntax error. Last token seen: w
[13:59] <meco> Garbled time
[13:59] <Seryth> iceroot: Okay
[13:59] <zzx> LTSP如何配置阿
[13:59] <iceroot> Seryth: there you should add /sbin
[13:59] <LjL> sysdoc, iceroot: my path in /etc/environment is: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[14:00] <iceroot> Seryth: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[14:00] <LjL> !cn | zzx
[14:00] <iceroot> Seryth: just copy that into the file and your dpkg issue should be fixed
[14:00] <Seryth> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games" iceroot
[14:00] <iceroot> LjL: thanks for the help
[14:00] <eagle_eye> !fr
[14:00] <LjL> Seryth: you mean it's already like that? then hmm, something overrides it
[14:00] <iceroot> Seryth: what is the output of "which ldconfig"
[14:00] <genjix> There is no distro but Ubuntu, and Shuttleworth is the apostle of Ubuntu
[14:00] <zzx> 我想配置远程启动
[14:00] <iceroot> Seryth: maybe ldconfig is not installed
[14:01] <Seryth> iceroot: Perhaps not....though I don't see why the update would remove it
[14:01] <LjL> zzx: we only speak English here
[14:01] <Seryth> LjL: Yes, already like that
[14:01] <Cottus> found this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[14:01] <iceroot> Seryth: what is the output of "dpkg -l libc-bin"
[14:01] <Poesghost> genjix, granted Ubuntu is a nice distro but it isn't the only distro.
[14:02] <Seryth> LjL, iceroot: When I run `which ldconfig` nothing happens. And the ldconfig doesn't tab complete...
[14:02] <LjL> Seryth: try "ls -l /sbin/ldconfig"
[14:02] <Seryth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026876/ iceroot
[14:02] <iceroot> Cottus: have a look at "ubuntu sponsors" first
[14:03] <Seryth> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 465 Apr 20 02:02 /sbin/ldconfig LjL
[14:03] <LjL> Seryth: ok so it's just the path that's wrong. have a look at the files listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#Persistent_environment_variables to see if any of those overrides your PATH
[14:03] <iceroot> Seryth: what ubuntu version? are you running apt-get with sudo or are you using a real root-shell?
[14:04] <Seryth> iceroot: Well, the problem occured after I updated from 11.10 to 12.04 this morning....and I'm just running "sudo apt-get install xxx" or whatever.
[14:04] <Seryth> LjL: I will do so
[14:05] <iceroot> Seryth: ok then as LjL already guessed something may overwrite your PATH because ldconfig is not found but the package libc-bin is installed and the files exists
[14:06] <llutz> meco: echo "wget http://lyd.nrk.no/nrk_radio_p2_mp3_h" | at 14:50
[14:06] <Seryth> iceroot, LjL: So I'm checking all the files listed there to make sure they're not changing the PATH?
[14:07] <Layke> Given a largish, 500Mb text file, what would be the best way to find out if a string exists in it?
[14:07] <iceroot> Seryth: just to see if the update did destroy some packages, can you provide the output of "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | grep -v ^rc"
[14:07] <Seryth> iceroot: I can indeed, 2s
[14:07] <iceroot> i really should learn egrep :)
[14:07] <meco> llutz: Ah.. well, anything that will work..!
[14:08] <Seryth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026884/ iceroot
[14:08] <iceroot> Seryth: ok everything fine
[14:09] <Seryth> iceroot: Am checking the files now
[14:09] <llutz> Layke: grep. best...idk?!?
[14:10] <meco> llutz: How do I kill that command? I can't find it in either top or ps lx
[14:10] <iceroot> Seryth: can you provide the output of "sudo grep ^PATH /etc/*"
[14:10] <iceroot> Seryth: and  "sudo grep ^PATH /root/.*"
[14:10] <llutz> meco: atq to get the job-nr, atrm <jobnr>
[14:10] <firefoxx> Üdv!
[14:10] <Seryth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026891/ iceroot, the first
[14:11] <meco> Appreciate it!
[14:11] <Seryth> iceroot: For the one in /root/, it says it doesn't exist
[14:13] <iceroot> Seryth: hm
[14:13] <Seryth> iceroot: :S
[14:13] <lowstz> :)
[14:14] <iceroot> Seryth: can you run this please "sudo -i; source /etc/environment; echo $PATH"
[14:15] <Seryth> iceroot: I ran it, nothing happened
[14:15] <lokinou> join #ubuntu
[14:15] <iceroot> Seryth: nothing?
[14:15] <lokinou> hello
[14:15] <iceroot> Seryth: the echo was not showing something?
[14:15] <lokinou> am I in the right place to ask for support questions ?
[14:15] <farid> !fr
[14:15] <ardizuri> does anyone know how to check if my wireless card is using n mode?
[14:15] <iceroot> Seryth: you uses "echo $PATH"?
[14:16] <Seryth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026906/ iceroot
[14:16] <Seryth> but if I just run $PATH
[14:16] <Seryth> it works
[14:16] <Seryth> I mean
[14:16] <Seryth> iceroot: If I just run echo $PATH, I get the output
[14:17] <iceroot> Seryth: my mistakte, use sudo -i, and after that type the rest
[14:17] <Seryth> iceroot: Sure
[14:17] <ardizuri> how can I enable/disable 802.11n mode?
[14:18] <iceroot> Seryth: you say when you just type "$PATH" its showing you the content of the variable? are you using bash or zsh?
[14:18] <Seryth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026912/ iceroot
[14:18] <Seryth> iceroot: I'm using urxvt with bash, not zsh
[14:18] <Seryth> though I do have zsh
[14:18] <iceroot> Seryth: the output looks fine
[14:18] <lokinou> hi, after a kernel update, there is a line added to the grub bootloader menu. During this update there were some packages updated. Using a previous version in the grub bootloader will use old packages or will it use the updated package ?
[14:19] <Seryth> iceroot: just `$PATH` dispalys the path
[14:19] <iceroot> Seryth: can you use in that shell where you typed sudo -i  the apt-get command without sudo?
[14:19] <Seryth> iceroot: I'll try
[14:19] <Seryth> iceroot: Yes!
[14:19] <Seryth> :D
[14:20] <iceroot> Seryth: just "$PATH" should show you a message -bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden  (file not found)
[14:20] <Seryth> iceroot: Exactly
[14:20] <iceroot> Seryth: that is something different then "its shwoing the content of path"
[14:20] <Seryth> iceroot: Ah, Okay
[14:21] <Seryth> iceroot: Well, I ran apt-get autremove (no sudo) in the same terminal that I ran sudo -i in, and it worked
[14:21] <iceroot> Seryth: when you exit the shell (with exit) you are again in your user-terminal, can you run the "sudo apt-get .." command there too now?
[14:21] <Seryth> iceroot: Let me see...
[14:21] <Seryth> iceroot: Yes.
[14:22] <iceroot> Seryth: so its working now and the issue is fixed?
[14:22] <Seryth> iceroot: I think it's fixed!
[14:22] <iceroot> Seryth: great
[14:22] <Seryth> iceroot: :D thanks so much! Hehe!
[14:22] <Seryth> iceroot: You don't happen to have any idea about sound stuff do you? (My other question)
[14:22] <iceroot> Seryth: please dont use ther sudo -i in the future, try to use sudo command instead :)
[14:22] <lduros> hello. I've set the left panel (launcher) as auto hide but when I hit the side it doesn't come back. it's a virtualbox which I guess is why
[14:22] <lokinou> Hello, I formulate again: is a kernel upgrade independent from packages or using an older kernel in grub boot will use pre-upgrade packages ?
[14:22] <Seryth> iceroot: Okay. What is the -i flag?
[14:23] <iceroot> Seryth: open a root-shell
[14:23] <lduros> any idea how i can launch the "appearances" window from the terminal?
[14:23] <lduros> so that I can put it back
[14:23] <Seryth> iceroot: Done.
[14:23] <iceroot> Seryth: its always better to just use sudo command then you dont have a root-shell opened all time
[14:23] <Seryth> iceroot: Aah, I'm with you
[14:23] <kurtwp_> lduros: if you have a windows key use that
[14:24] <lduros> kurtwp_: yeh i do, thanks
[14:24] <kurtwp_> lduros: then type display
[14:24] <lduros> kurtwp_: ah got it. thanks :-)
[14:25] <Seryth> iceroot: so, any idea bout why I have no soudn?
[14:26] <lduros> kurtwp_: is there a way in ubuntu 2d to reduce the width of the launcher panel too? :-)
[14:26] <iceroot> Seryth: have a look at the command "alsamixer" if something is muted
[14:26] <lduros> if it's less width I can leave it there at all times :-)
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> lduros  use MyUnity
[14:26] <iceroot> !sound | Seryth
[14:26] <lduros> hmm myUnity
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> lduros: I believe in myunity there is an optin
[14:26] <lduros> never heard of it, i'll look it up
[14:26] <lduros> :-)
[14:26] <Seryth> iceroot: Nothing is muted
[14:27] <Seryth> Also, I don't have the volume applet...it's dissapeared.
[14:27]  * crack05 is away (Gone)
[14:27] <iceroot> Seryth: you did a reboot after your uprgade to 12.04?
[14:27] <Seryth> iceroot: Yes, of course
[14:28] <iceroot> CRACK05: remove that away thing please, noone is interested in that
[14:28] <MonkeyDust> !away > CRACK05
[14:28] <iceroot> Seryth: hm
[14:28] <iceroot> MonkeyDust: didnt know that, thanks
[14:32] <Seryth> iceroot: Nothing at all is muted, all the sliders are up to the "white" level, and I cannot hear anything. Nor can I see the volume control icon
[14:34] <angs> what is the command to delete a directory and subdirectories ?
[14:34] <fidel> angs: in general 'rm' - but use it wisely
[14:34] <m1g45> rm -r
[14:34] <m1g45> rm -r <dir>
[14:34] <angs> thanks
[14:35] <m1g45> careful with that! it doesnt go to the trash :p
[14:37] <Seryth> !rm | angs
[14:38] <MrCoder> I just did an update and it said that Grub had been updated but clicking the "forward" button did nothing unless I checked the box "Do not configure Grub", should I be worried?? Argh :( *bump*
[14:39] <m1g45> @MrCoder sudo grub-install /dev/sdX
[14:39] <m1g45> probably is sda
[14:39] <MrCoder> m1g45, I have a raid array
[14:44] <Jon--> Did Ubuntu 12.04 move back to compiz for gnome-session-fallback? A lot of the colours are bad on my bottom gnome-panel bar, and the top one. Any ideas? I can't seem to alt-right click to get to panel properties either :o
[14:45] <MonkeyDust> Jon--  choose classic-no-effects
[14:48] <boboysdadda> I just shit my brains out and it was glorius. think i saw a little ubuntu logo in there
[14:48] <ikonia> boboysdadda: drop the lagnauge please.
[14:48] <ikonia> lagnauge
[14:48] <boboysdadda> learn to type please
[14:48] <ikonia> whois boboysdadda
[14:48] <boboysdadda> you need a /
[14:49] <ikonia> boboysdadda: do you have a support question / issue ?
[14:49] <boboysdadda> no if i did you would just push a bot at me anyway
[14:49] <ikonia> boboysdadda: ok, then please be quiet until you do
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> boboysdadda: depends on the question to if the bot can give the answer..
[14:50] <Jon--> MonkeyDust, That did the trick. Is this using metacity?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> Jon--: sure, no effects will use metacity
[14:51] <MonkeyDust> Jon--  type ps -e|grep meta to find out
[14:51] <boboysdadda> ok heres my question. how do i make ncmpcpp autostart in a terminal that is embeded in the desktop?
[14:51] <ikonia> boboysdadda: that's going to be quite tricky to do
[14:51] <MonkeyDust> boboysdadda  we have no bot factoid for that ;)
[14:51] <Jon--> Yep, it's using meta instead of compiz
[14:52] <Jon--> Excellent :) thnx.
[14:52] <ikonia> boboysdadda: you'll have to launch a terminal with the flag to execute a command, eg:ncmpcpp
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> boboysdadda: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc    please
[14:52] <Vanessa85> Hi, I have a problem with wine. I installed a programs and the audio is very poor, it have a lot of noise. I have installed wine 1.5.5 and i try with wine 1.4 and the problem repeats. HELP!!
[14:52] <boboysdadda> ikonia, but how do you do it so the terminal is embeded into the desktop without borders or a window and doesn't appear in a panel or anything?
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> Vanessa85: have you consulted the appdb?
[14:52] <ikonia> boboysdadda: embeeded, oh wow, I don't know, I don't know if you even can
[14:53] <Vanessa85> ActionParsnip appdb???? what?
[14:53] <ikonia> boboysdadda: you can remove the borders, but it won't embed it into the desktop (that I'm aware of)
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> Vanessa85: seek and ye shall find
[14:53] <boboysdadda> wow this help channel sucks
[14:53] <zykotick9> !appdb | Vanessa85
[14:53] <mneptok> boboysdadda: instead of enbedding a temrinal emulator, why not run the CLI MPD client in another tty?
[14:53] <fidel> Vanessa85: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[14:53] <boboysdadda> just fyi i have already done it. just curious if you guys were able to?
[14:54] <sl0w> i'm being an idiot and can't find a page that I should have book marked... anyone know how to enable extra/ external monitors in Ubuntu 12 (i'm on an HP, trying to use an ACER monitor)
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> boboysdadda: I asked you for an output of a command, so I cannot help you. Which mean's (in your words); you suck
[14:54] <wyll> salut tous le monde y'a des français ici?
[14:54] <MonkeyDust> boboysdadda  for future reference, share with the channel how you did it
[14:54] <mneptok> boboysdadda: stop wasting people's time and effort.
[14:54] <Vanessa85> Oh yeah, thanks guys!!!
[14:54] <boboysdadda> ActionParsnip, i don't have lsb-whatever the hell it is
[14:54] <sl0w> the thing I had to enable started with an "x"... xine, xinefer... something like that
[14:54] <zykotick9> !fr | wyll
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> boboysdadda: then ask that, rather than saying nothing
[14:54] <boboysdadda> sure MonkeyDust one sec i'll fetch a link
[14:54] <mneptok> wyll: Anglais seulement ici, svp. #ubuntu-fr ou #ubuntu-qc pout La langue Propre. ;)
[14:54] <mneptok> *pour
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> boboysdadda: millions don't know the commands and such but are smart enough to ask for clarifiction
[14:57] <Vanessa85> but... my problem is with all aplications...
[14:57] <Ormie> Hello, This problem really conserns me.
[14:57] <Ormie> !pastebin
[14:57] <fidel> Ormie: erm what?
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> Vanessa85: i'd ask in #winehq too
[14:58] <sl0w> does anyone know how to enable external monitors when using Ubuntu 12 (on a laptop)? Mine is not being detected even though the driver should be installed
[14:58] <bkerensa> !justask | Ormie
[14:58] <Ormie> fidel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026979/
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: what GPU?
[14:59] <Vanessa85> ActionParsnip I asked in this IRC but I don't get an answer
[14:59] <sl0w> nvidia? is that right?
[14:59] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: nvidia?
[14:59] <sl0w> it's an HP laptop
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: sure, then use nvidia-settings. I assume you installed the proprietary driver
[14:59] <fidel> sl0w: we cant tell you based on the fact that it is an HP laptop what gfx it uses
[15:00] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: how do I check to make sure? when I did a search earlier it said that ACER monitors were supposed to have the drivers preinstalled with Ubuntu... but I'd like to verify that
[15:00] <fidel> Ormie: have you searched the web for that error message as additional step?
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: lspci | grep -i vga
[15:01] <Ormie> fidel, i don't know how to get the right keyword to search.
[15:01] <OerHeks> Ormie, flexnet comes with adobe software. did you install something in wine?
[15:01] <fidel> Ormie: full or parts of the error-message are always a good starter - just as general hint
[15:01] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 230M] (rev a2)
[15:02] <sl0w> that sounds right
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: ok, did you install the proprietary video driver?
[15:02] <Ormie> OerHeks, I type "sudo apt-get install cheese xchat synaptic gimp geany wine"
[15:02] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: i didn't do any additional installation of drivers
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: ok run:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[15:03] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: 0 upgraded, 0 installed...
[15:04] <Ormie> fidel, oh no. this is serious, i will never restart my computer.
[15:04] <Vanessa85> Hi, I have a problem.. I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and I run it with the command pci=nomsi... When I suspend my PC, it can't resume... What is the problem??
[15:04] <fidel> sl0w: apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME <- shows you always what version is available and MAYBE already installed on your sys. Helps understanding apt partly i guess
[15:05] <OerHeks> Ormie  or : Adobe Photoshop, CAD/CAM, Rosetta Stone, Matlab ?
[15:05] <Ormie> Oerheks, I only did what I type in terminal.
[15:05] <sl0w> fidel: thanks...
[15:05] <OerHeks> Ormie those windows garbage comes with flexnet, wich overrides the sector 32.
[15:05] <susja> hello folks
[15:05] <fidel> Ormie: he is asking for your general setup
[15:05] <Ormie> windows sucks.
[15:05] <fidel> not for your last step before the error appeared
[15:05] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: so it looks like the newest driver is installed. any other suggestions?
[15:05] <OerHeks> Ormie, so if you didnot install any of those, odd error then?
[15:06] <Ormie> yes.
[15:06] <susja> may I ask you guys one question related to Virtualbox?
[15:06] <Vanessa85> Hi, I have a problem.. I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and I run it with the command pci=nomsi... When I suspend my PC, it can't resume... What is the problem??
[15:06] <fidel> susja: give it a try - while this channel is more focused on ubuntu itself
[15:06] <fidel> !repeat > Vanessa85
[15:07] <susja> k, let me shoot, I'm using Virtualbox for a while, it works fine except I can't delete any Snapshots, any idea how to workaround it?
[15:08] <fidel> susja: any error output while trying to delete a snapshot?
[15:08] <susja> yes,
[15:08] <susja> let my copy/paste it here, give me a sec
[15:08] <fidel> !paste > susja
[15:09] <fidel> susja: there are several tickets around virtualbox handling this basic problem. - i.e.: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/7461
[15:09] <MonkeyDust> susja  look in '/VirtualBox VMs/blah/snapshots
[15:09] <MonkeyDust> susja correction  look in ~/VirtualBox VMs/blah/snapshots
[15:10] <Vanessa85> Hi, I have a problem.. I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and I run it with the command pci=nomsi... When I suspend my PC, it can't resume... What is the problem??
[15:10] <fidel> !repeat | Vanessa85
[15:10] <fidel> !detail | Vanessa85
[15:10] <curiousx> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff0~~8888888888888888888888~++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[15:10] <fidel> !details | Vanessa85
[15:10] <ikonia> curiousx: please don't do that again
[15:10] <foolove> what boot parameter needs to  be set
[15:11] <foolove> in order for newer video cards to work on install i get black and white blocks screen stays like this
[15:11] <susja> sorry, never mind my question related to Virtualbox, someone already adviced me
[15:12] <fidel> susja: was manually deleting the snapshots in the filesystem the solution?
[15:12] <susja> no
[15:13] <curiousx> ikonia: ?
[15:13] <susja> he adviced me to do this: You could try cloning the VM - a full (not linked) clone, current state only, would cause the snapshots to be merged in the clone. After testing that the new VM is ok, you could then delete the old VM
[15:13] <eutheria> i have as weird bug where windows keep vanishing off up the top of the screen
[15:13] <curiousx> what?
[15:13] <april_> hello
[15:13] <curiousx> idk what you are writing about dude i was AFK recently
[15:13] <april_> ????
[15:13] <fidel> eutheria: working with virtual machines?
[15:13] <ikonia> curiousx: can I drop you a pm ?
[15:13] <Ormie> !details
[15:13] <curiousx> nop
[15:14] <ikonia> curiousx: ok, then please check the logs of the channels to see what you pasted
[15:14] <curiousx> i suspect that i don't like you so don't PM please
[15:14] <eutheria> fidel, yes, virtualbox
[15:14] <curiousx> ok i'll see
[15:14] <curiousx> puffff
[15:14] <fidel> curiousx: your client sended a random string about 4-5 minutews ago
[15:14] <curiousx> sry for sure was my cat sry really
[15:14] <ikonia> not a problem
[15:15] <Alan__> when installing ybuntu alongside windows I am shown a bar dividing the available space. I can adjust the space but am i allocating to Ubuntu the left or right of the bar?
[15:15] <fidel> eutheria: so your virtual windows -which runs inside virtualbox on your linux box appearsrandomly?
[15:15] <Ormie> I have problem with GRUB, I'm running ubuntu version 12.04 When I try to do: sudo apt-get install cheese xchat synaptic gimp geany wine I get the following strange output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1026979/
[15:15] <Ormie> clear?
[15:15] <fidel> !details > eutheria
[15:16] <ikonia> Ormie: you already have flexnet installed on your master boot record
[15:16] <Ormie> ?
[15:16] <fidel> Ormie: read the error-line of the output
[15:16] <ikonia> Ormie: it's a warning
[15:16] <Ormie> this !details really help. :D
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> Ormie  it says "warn: Sector 32 is already in use by FlexNet"
[15:17] <susja> well cloning of VM didn't work either for me :)
[15:17] <Ormie> I don't know much about GRUB stuff.
[15:17] <eutheria> fidel, i am not sure what action i do to cause the problem, it seems to be that an application might move to the very top of the screen, if there is a redraw event it moves to the current desktop
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> susja  try deleting the snapshot manually
[15:18] <fidel> Ormie: grub is your boot-manager - the part straigt at the start of the booting process where you select your os to boot
[15:18] <Ormie> ok
[15:18] <Ormie> it looks like a big problem
[15:18] <fidel> Ormie: grub warns you that another software - flexnet (see wiki for more details) is using sector 32
[15:18] <ikonia> Ormie: why are you installing it ?
[15:19] <cheako> http://pastebin.com/LSvvpVJC I wrote a small shell script that tests for a kernel bug I found in overlayfs.  If you are able to verify for your self that the code is safe and not a trojan I'd like one or two others to give it a go.  http://j.mp/L310Lw
[15:19] <Ormie> ikonia, it somehow comes with wine when I install it from apt-get
[15:19] <fidel> Ormie: what is 'it'
[15:20] <Ormie> it = wine
[15:20] <ikonia> Ormie: grub doesn't come with wine
[15:20] <ikonia> Ormie: you are manually trying to install it
[15:20] <ikonia> Ormie: you are calling out the packages you want to install
[15:20] <Ormie> no way! read carefully.
[15:20] <fidel> Ormie: he is refering to your pasted apt-get install cmd
[15:21] <ikonia> Ormie: remove "grub" from the apt-get install line
[15:21] <Ormie> ikonia, sudo apt-get install cheese xchat synaptic gimp geany wine
[15:21] <Ormie> No GRUB
[15:21] <ikonia> Ormie: it's installing grub because you have done "apt-get install grub"
[15:21] <ikonia> Ormie: you said grub in the previous paste
[15:21] <Pici> ikonia: it sounds like apt is just finishing up some interuppted steps when he does other apt tasks.
[15:21] <Ormie> What?!
[15:21] <ikonia> Pici: possibly, but his other line included grub
[15:21] <fidel> i guess he should update a single apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once - and see what happens then ;)
[15:22] <cheako> Ormie: Try with just "apt-get -f install"
[15:22] <ikonia> I suspect Pici's response is the most realistic
[15:22] <Ormie> ikonia, It came with a package, seriously. I didn't type GRUB.
[15:22] <fidel> +sudo ;)
[15:22] <ikonia> as it won't be able to complete the grub install
[15:22] <Ormie> cheako, what will that do?
[15:22] <cheako> Ormie: Return your system to a sane state.
[15:22] <Pici> ikonia: right
[15:23] <Ormie> cheako, a time portal! cool.
[15:23] <MonkeyDust> Ormie  the -f means fix
[15:23] <cheako> Ormie: RTFM.
[15:23] <legoff> how do i use wine?...I just installed it in ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[15:23] <ikonia> cheako: please don't do that
[15:23] <ikonia> !wine | legoff
[15:24] <Ormie> MonkeyDust, Will the fix command still work after I restart my computer?
[15:24] <Ormie> noisebleed!
[15:24] <legoff> any help...please!
[15:24] <Jonii> Are there usable ways to use facial recognition to login?
[15:25] <Ormie> !justask > legoff
[15:25] <legoff> i need to run msword from ubuntu
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> Ormie  basically, apt-get install -f 'repairs' interrupted installs
[15:25] <Ormie> i didn't interrupt anything.
[15:25] <Ormie> legoff, use PlayOnLinux
[15:25] <Pici> Ormie: it may have been interrupted by itself because of an error.
[15:25] <Ormie> oh.
[15:25] <Ormie> ok
[15:26] <Ormie> thanks, g2g
[15:27] <legoff> Ormie: Playonlinux will help?
[15:27] <Pici> !appdb | legoff
[15:27] <Jonii> I want to have some marginal protection for my account, but I don't want to type password
[15:27] <Jonii> Something I can do one-handedly
[15:27] <Chuck_Norris> legoff: ye, PLay On Linux runs MS Office very well
[15:27] <Pici> Jonii: a password from keys on one side of your keyboard.
[15:28] <cheako> Jonii: You can use your cellphone as a proximity device.
[15:28] <Jonii> cheako: how to do that?
[15:29] <loki28> I'm having a problem with terminal emulation.  I installed ncurses-term but when I try to use wy50 and type clear it returns unknown terminal.
[15:29] <cheako> Jonii: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/BluetoothLoginAndLocking
[15:29] <loki28> there is a wy50 file in /lib/terminfo/w
[15:29] <aju> Hai, all How can i view the minimized wndows in bottom menu bar in ubuntu 10.04
[15:29] <Ormie> I got so lucky!
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> aju: are you using compiz?
[15:30] <iceroot> Jonii: smartcard, key stored in a usb-device, finger-print (thinkpads for example)
[15:30] <legoff> so no one here uses wine?
[15:30] <aju> ActionParsnip: no
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> legoff: tried in #winehq
[15:30] <Ormie> !lucky
[15:30] <iceroot> !wine | legoff
[15:30] <iceroot> legoff: and the guys in #winehq
[15:30] <Ormie> !yay | Ormie
[15:31] <Pici> !msgthebot | Ormie
[15:31] <Ormie> It told me i will have a grub problem! I got so lucky :D
[15:33] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[15:33] <optikx> ubuntu_128bit
[15:33] <optikx> jk
[15:34] <organiks> morning all
[15:35] <docmur> This is a dumb question but if I setup a mail server on my domain so mail.example.com  and I change the DNS record and point the mail exchange to point at mail.example.com then when I ping the server "ping mail.example.com" I should see my network's IP
[15:35] <loki28> any help with terminal emulation problem?
[15:35] <organiks> i have precise installed and trying to get Skype working with pidgin
[15:35] <Jonii> This possibility of using bluetooth device as key seems way too cool
[15:35] <ikonia> docmur: you should see whatever you've set it to resolve to IF you have a host for it
[15:35] <ikonia> docmur: an MX record is not an A record
[15:35] <docmur> so I need the A record for it?
[15:35] <ikonia> docmur: if you don't have an A record an MX will not resolve
[15:35] <docmur> the A record points to the root domain
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> Jonii: it'll drain your battery faster
[15:36] <Tux> yes, an MX must point to an A or CNAME
[15:36] <Qasaur> Hey guys
[15:36] <Tux> (or AAAA)
[15:36] <Qasaur> I quite new to programming and I want to set up an development enviroment on my laptop which is on Ubuntu
[15:36] <docmur> right so the A domain resolves kw-flipcup.ca to my server so the MX domain would reserve mail to mail.kw-flipcup.ca?
[15:36] <Qasaur> Any tips on what I should use?
[15:36] <ikonia> docmur: no
[15:36] <ikonia> docmur: yo uneed to create an A record for the MX host
[15:36] <Tensotu> hello everyone. how do I delete a flder that will not go away with "rm -rf"?
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> !ide | Qasaur
[15:36] <ikonia> Tensotu: which folder
[15:37] <Tensotu> ikonia: it's a windows folder
[15:37] <docmur> oh okay
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> Tensotu: is the NTFS mounted as writable?
[15:37] <ikonia> Tensotu: it's probably mounted read only
[15:37] <Qasaur> So using something like say Geany, it comes with gcc and CMake included?
[15:37] <Qasaur> or do I have to set those up first?
[15:38] <Tensotu> ikonia, ActionParsnip: MOST of the files and folders are gone. I want to cleanup the rest of it (it IS writable)
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> Qasaur: you can install them if they aren't
[15:38] <fidel> Tensotu: any error output while trying to delete them?
[15:38] <Tensotu> fidel: I think it was "operation not supported"
[15:38] <Tensotu> fidel: I can check again
[15:38] <fidel> could you double-check that?
[15:39] <docmur> so just to double check if the A record "@ xx.xx.xx.xx"  points my root domain example.com then do I put for "mail.example.com xx.xx.xx.xx" to resolve the mail domain? in the A record?
[15:39] <fidel> yep
[15:39] <MonkeyDu1t> Tensotu  boot a live cd / usb and delete the folder from there
[15:39] <Tensotu> MonkeyDu1t: IAM on a live CD
[15:39] <legoff> no one helped me in #winehq
[15:39] <Tensotu> legoff: what's the problem?
[15:39] <legoff> i really need to know how to use wine
[15:40] <Tensotu> legofftreat it like windows, that's basically what it is
[15:40] <Tensotu> legoff: treat it like windows, that's basically what it is
[15:40] <MonkeyDust> legoff  install it, you can then run windows apps on your ubuntu
[15:40] <docmur> oh I think I figured it out :-)
[15:40] <legoff> by clicking the .exe files?
[15:40] <Tensotu> legoff: treat it EXACTLY like windows, after it's installed
[15:40] <aleminio> hey guys, how can i check in ubuntu if it installed any graphic drivers?
[15:42] <aartist> can I have ubuntu and mint iso on same LiveCD?
[15:42] <Tensotu> fidel: sudo rm -rf ~/win/Windows.old >  "Unable to delete <dir>: Operation not supported"
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> aartist  use multisystem, it's for bootable usb sticks
[15:43] <aartist> MonkeyDust: Unfotunately I have only CDs, no sticks.  Can I do same froma potable hard disk?
[15:43] <LoboX> hi all
[15:43] <Tensotu> aartist: portable HDs are usb, so it should work fine
[15:44] <caycep> contemplating new pc build.....does Unity mesh well w/ the new Intel HD 4000 GPU on ivy bridge
[15:44] <caycep> ?
[15:44] <aartist> Tensotu: Thanks..
[15:45] <organiks> could someone help with getting skype to work with pidgin plz?
[15:45] <aartist> How do I use multisystem?
[15:45] <Tensotu> ikonia, ActionParsnip:exact input/output > sudo rm -rf ~/win/Windows.old >  "Unable to delete <dir>: Operation not supported"
[15:46] <aartist> I cannot download multisystems.
[15:46] <fidel> Tensotu: i only found somepretty old forum post speculating about the used ntfs-3g version ... not that helpful i guess
[15:46] <fidel> never had that issue myself
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> aartist  it's a 3rd party app http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[15:46] <sl0w> will using Xinerama allow my HP laptop (nvidia card) to use an external monitor in Ubuntu 12?
[15:46] <Tensotu> fidel: yea, and everything else went away
[15:46] <fidel> aartist: what do you mean by multisystems?
[15:46] <Tensotu> fidel: gonana try a remount
[15:47] <fidel> Tensotu: the bit i found was around:
[15:47] <fidel> Reparse points are not fully supported in the current version of the NTFS-3G driver
[15:47] <fidel> but thatsfrom 2009
[15:47] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: its 12.04, not 12 ;)
[15:47] <aartist> fidel: allows multiboot : found here: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[15:48] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: sorry, 12.04 :P :)
[15:48] <fidel> aartist: try to describe the issue in detail you have. just mentioning doesnt work usuallydoesnt help that much
[15:49] <fidel> or is the issue really downloading the multisystem thing itself? if so - from what source?
[15:50] <aleminio> guys, any ideas what i can do if the colors in my ubuntu are too bright? i'm using intel graphics and it seems that the drivers are installed but still those colors are giving me a headache as if i was using windows without any drivers, any suggestions?
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> aleminio: if you run:  sudo lshw -C display     do you see the work "unclaimed" in caps?
[15:50] <marco_mesquita_> aleminio: Is the resolution of your monitor right?
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> s/work/word
[15:51] <Tensotu> fidel: I've never had trouble removing folders with spaces
[15:51] <aleminio> the resolution is right
[15:51] <aartist> fidel:Thank you. Issue 1.  I have broken windows installation, with broken battery power on laptop.  So, I am trying to run ubuntu from DVD. Now whenever I have disconnect the power cable, computer restarts with 'Try Ubuntu'. In this case, how I can install software (such as flash plugin) and retain it?  Bios cannot recognize my laptop harddisk.  Alternately, I have portable hard-disk, if that helps.
[15:52] <XiRoN> How do I kill an unkillable proccess?
[15:52] <LoboX> im having a small issue, when i try to change my DHCP settings to STATIC i change my interfaces file and when i restart /etc/init.d/networking something happens in my ubuntu GUI on the network side for some reason now it says "wired network - device not managed"
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> aleminio: what does the command I gave output? Does it say unclaimed?
[15:52] <aleminio> one sec, i'm running it
[15:52] <Tensotu> aartist: are you sure the wndows file system isn't corrupted?
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> LoboX: yes, you used the interfaces file so network manager can't touch it
[15:52] <x_or> I just installed Japanese and Portuguese support and now when I try to run certain programs (like mosh) I get a complaint saying the local environment language settings are incorrect.
[15:53] <x_or> I ran local-gen en_US.UTF-8 but now what?
[15:53] <aleminio> i checked it earlier, it says driver = l915
[15:53] <LoboX> ActionParsnip ok so how can i fix it?
[15:53] <fidel> aartist: so you are running a live cd right now - and wantto end up with what kind of setup?
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> LoboX: you can set the interface to static in network manager but you will need to undo the changes in the interfaces file and restart the networking service
[15:53] <aartist> Tensotu: Bios cannot not recognize it and when I start computer (without Ubuntu DVD) it says Operating system cannot be found.
[15:53] <LoboX> ok now i understand what happens thanks for that info ActionParsnip
[15:53] <Jonii> Hey, how does locking screen work?
[15:53] <aartist> fidel: Yes.
[15:53] <Tensotu> aartist: you may need to reboot alot, but evertually ubuntu will see it
[15:53] <MonkeyDust> Jonii  ctrl-L
[15:53] <XiRoN> Does anyone know how to kill an unkillable process?
[15:54] <LoboX> ok network manager is the GUI
[15:54] <x_or> XiRoN:  kill -9 ?
[15:54] <XiRoN> THANKS
[15:54] <aartist> fidel: I like to get flash plugin, chromium-browser etc..
[15:54] <Jonii> I tried setting up blueproximity, it tries to lock screen with xscreensaver-command -l or gnome-screensaver-command -l, neither fo thhem work
[15:54] <XiRoN> I couldnt rmemeber what it was
[15:54] <fidel> aartist: no the first question is- do you plan to install any os - or just continue working with thelive-cd only?
[15:54] <Tensotu> aartist: check the partion editor and if it's black you're SOL you'll ahve to reformat. if it vanishes trying to reformat you need a new hard drive
[15:54] <Jonii> I don'þ understand why it's always about screensavers
[15:54] <MonkeyDust> Jonii  ctrl-alt L (correction)
[15:55] <marco_mesquita_> aleminio: does the problem can be seen in a screenshot?
[15:55] <Jonii> Anyway, is there a command that locks/unlocks screen?
[15:55] <Jonii> blueproximity used screensavers with parameters
[15:56] <aartist> fidel: I like to install software and retain it.. whichever way I can do it.
[15:56] <sl0w> ActionParsnip:  so this is interesting... when I installed disper, and ran the disper -l command, my external monitor is listed
[15:56] <sl0w> any idea how to enable it in nvidia's x server?
[15:56] <aleminio> marco, i doubt it, it's just that i'm used to see images in a certain way and now they are way too bright, like a huge difference between this and any other computer or even on windows that i'm running on the same comp
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> LoboX: if you want to use the interfaces file and manage addressing there you can actually remove network manager to make the OS sleeker
[15:56] <fidel> aartist: any chance you try to answer the question? ;)
[15:57] <yggdrasil> can somone tell me how i can do a wallpaper slideshow with my own pictueres?
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> yggdrasil: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc
[15:57] <MonkeyDust> yggdrasil  you need to create an xml file
[15:57] <aartist> fidel: I like to install software and retain it.. whichever way I can do it.  Let it be with LiveCD or with Portable Hard-disk.. what should i do?
[15:57] <aleminio> I can live with the colors but it also gives a big headache, it doesn't suppose to be that way
[15:57] <yggdrasil> ActionParsnip: precise
[15:58] <MonkeyDust> yggdrasil  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/02/easily-create-xml-wallpapers-with-xml.html
[15:58] <sl0w> hrmmm...
[15:58] <fidel> aartist: personaly i would try to fix the real issue - replace the battery - check if i can access the harddrive and install any OS i want to use. then install additional software
[15:58] <aartist> Tensotu: which partition editor, you are talking about?
[15:58] <fidel> anything else sounds like a temporary hack
[15:58] <LoboX> ActionParsnip i got it working using the interfaces file better, i just want to get used of the ubuntu commands rather then the GUI for now, but got it working thanks man >:)
[15:58] <Tensotu> aartist: the one in applications > system
[15:59] <Jonii> Anyway, does anyone know anything about this?
[15:59] <x_or> Can someone tell me how to adjust the locale on my terminal so I can use a program which requires UTF-8 apparently?  Even troubleshooting would be helpful.
[15:59] <LoboX> i just fix the resolv file, adding my dns
[15:59] <Tensotu> fidel: personally I think aartist should ceck his/her hard drive first
[15:59] <wooy> hi, any good bash tutorial you would recommend? thx
[15:59] <LoboX> forgot about that thanks ActionParsnip
[15:59] <Jonii> Why it's always the screensaver? How to lock screen from command line? why does xscreensaver say that no screensaver is running, when the command is supposed to lock the screen?
[15:59] <fidel> Tensotu: hd & battery yes ;)
[15:59] <yggdrasil> MonkeyDust: thanks
[16:00] <fidel> both should be checked at the end before software comes to play
[16:00] <Tensotu> fidel: hard drive is definatly #1 priority though
[16:00] <aartist> fidel: Thanks.. I can certainly take that route.
[16:00] <sl0w> i'm cloning my display from my laptop to an external monitor. However, when I close the lid to my laptop, it goes in to "suspend" even though I have the "do nothing" option chosen in the Power settings. Ideas?
[16:00] <fidel> aartist: so check if you can access your harddrive. then check if you want to restoresomething from it
[16:00] <fidel> aartist: then care about battery - if possible
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> LoboX: np dude, remember if you use static IP you need to set DNS in /etc/resolv.conf
[16:01] <fidel> aartist: andthen consider installing an os - or repair the existing one
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> yggdrasil: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/wallpaper-slideshow-app-for-gnome-3
[16:01] <fidel> aartist: just continue asking if you have issues with those single steps
[16:01] <LoboX> ActionParsnip yes forgot about that, i did it and now i have internet, trying to setup a dhcp server
[16:02] <LoboX> to make a squid server with dnasguardian
[16:02] <HoldenC> does anyone have firefox 13 + flash 11.2.202.235 working?
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> LoboX: great way to learn stuff :)
[16:02] <LoboX> ohh yeah
[16:02] <sl0w> does anyone know what setting to change so that my display is automatically cloned to an external monitor at start up?
[16:02] <calmpitbull> hello i need a help. i have deleted all my icons and themes exept one i wanna use. So i deleted login icons and theme, where can i find login screen in termnial so i can link it to what i wanna
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: if you use nvidia-settings you can config the disaply there
[16:03] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: yes, but how do I do that?
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: press ALT+F2 and run the command...
[16:04] <veryhappy> hey guys i got a question about libraries
[16:04] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: hmmm
[16:04] <sl0w> one sec
[16:04] <veryhappy> i wanted to install mysql-workbench but i can't because it says libmysqlclient16 is missing, how do i install this dependency?
[16:04] <LoboX> ActionParsnip onething im checking out that ubuntu have changed a couple of commands, when i try to restart a service i used to do /etc/init.d/networking now is telling me to use service and start, what is the best way to restart a service?
[16:05] <veryhappy> help is appreciated, thank you
[16:05] <LoboX> sudo service networking stop|start?
[16:05] <schnuffle> LoboX:  ubuntu switched to upstart which uses the command service
[16:05] <schnuffle> LoboX: exactly
[16:06] <schnuffle> veryhappy: have you searched if theres a libmysqlclient16 in the repos?
[16:06] <LoboX> ohh ok schnuffle thanks
[16:06] <Jonii> Hey, anyone know what this command is supposed to do? "gnome-screensaver-command -p"
[16:07] <schnuffle> LoboX: there's still the old sysv init for backward compability
[16:07] <LoboX> ohh ok
[16:08] <veryhappy> schnuffle: i did. nothing was displayed
[16:08] <aartist> fidel: great. thank you.
[16:08] <schnuffle> Jonii: http://linux.die.net/man/1/gnome-screensaver-command it pokes the scrensaver to emultae user acitivity
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> LoboX: sudo server networking restart
[16:08] <veryhappy> schnuffle: that would be apt-cache search libmysqlclient16 i suppose?
[16:09] <LoboX> ahhh server ohh ok, thanks ActionParsnip
[16:10] <usr13> Firefox only shows blank spot where a flash video should be. What is wrong?
[16:10] <schnuffle> veryhappy: yes, but I just don't have a ubuntu to check
[16:10] <schnuffle> usr13: flashblock plugin or missing flash plugin?
[16:11] <Xeneth> LoboX: It's "sudo service networking restart"
[16:11] <Jonii> schnuffle: is there a command that replaced it or something? when I try gnome-screensaver-command --poke or -p, it says it's unknown option
[16:11] <docmur> if people can see this http://imageshack.us/f/835/selection002e.png/  do I have those set correctly?  There my DNS records
[16:11] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: ok. so that works... but I still can't get my laptop to stop "suspending" whenever I close the lid. Even though i've changed the settings in the "Power" management settings
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> usr13: can you pastebin the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[16:12] <schnuffle> Jonii: just check with "man gnome-screensaver-command"
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> sl0w: i'm not great with suspend, not worth it imho
[16:12] <sl0w> ActionParsnip: ?
[16:12] <Jonii> schnuffle: there doesn't seem to be anythin
[16:12] <HoldenC> usr13,  firefox 13 + flash 11.2.202.235?
[16:12] <sl0w> i'm just trying to get it so that i can close the lid without locking my screen
[16:12] <schnuffle> Jonii: you mean the program is not installed?
[16:12] <valkar> how can I diisable dash files finder on unity?
[16:12] <chand> #itfrogs
[16:12] <chand> oops
[16:13] <Jonii> schnuffle: i mean that there are only few options listed in that man file, none of them are what I wanted
[16:13] <Xeneth> LoboX: Though when I check it, it only has start/stop option.  :(  So "restart" may not be an option
[16:13] <schnuffle> Jonii: I'm no gnome expert but it could be due to ubuntu switching to unity
[16:14] <LoboX> Xeneth yes i know, but you can still do a restart doing it the normal way
[16:14] <schnuffle> Xeneth: Thats a thing I already realized as well
[16:14] <Xeneth> LOL  can alway's reboot.
[16:15] <veryhappy> well what can i do guys?
[16:15] <schnuffle> Xeneth: Before sysv init, Now sysv init, upstart and systemd. I thougt the idea was to ease things :)
[16:15] <schnuffle> veryhappy: the app you want to install, where does it come from?
[16:16] <veryhappy> schnuffle: do you mean the vendor?
[16:17] <schnuffle> veryhappy: yes, I found  docs telling me that workbench should be supported in 10.04 and 12.04
[16:18] <SuddenlyTophats> Hi #ubuntu, I'm having an issue with my video card, namely that the screen goes blank often unless nomodeset is set.
[16:18] <SuddenlyTophats> I'm using an asus zenbook with some sort of onboard intel (i915)
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> valkar: I can help. Are you around?
[16:18] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: which of the ZenBooks? My wife has one.
[16:18] <SuddenlyTophats> tried the kernel available at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-experimental/2012-06-05-quantal/ hoping for a fix but no luck.
[16:18] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, ux21e I think
[16:19] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: she has the 13 inch, is that the new Ivy-Bridge one, or prior to?
[16:19] <SuddenlyTophats> I can get the screen to work if I run xset dpms off; xset dpms on
[16:19] <SuddenlyTophats> which is the really weird one
[16:19] <sl0w> ok. had to disable "require password when waking from suspend"... although i still had to type it in
[16:19] <sl0w> weird
[16:19] <veryhappy> schnuffle: it is supported i guess, it just says: depency not complied libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1)
[16:19] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, I'm not sure actually, been a while since I looked at this box
[16:19] <schnuffle> veryhappy: precise has the workbench in the universe repo. is the universe repo active?
[16:19] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: okay, so it's older. Hang a sec.
[16:19] <K1rk> Anyone ever do bonded interfaces on Ubuntu?
[16:20] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, yeah it is, thanks!
[16:20] <veryhappy> schnuffle: where can i check that? i have no synaptic installed
[16:21] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: so, I don't think it'd be...well, look here at the Power Saving Optimizations (or all of it, rather), maybe this will help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook
[16:21] <veryhappy> schnuffle: i'm sorry, i have forgotten that i have to go for now
[16:21] <schnuffle> veryhappy: open /etc/apt/sources.list and check /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[16:21] <veryhappy> ok i come back later
[16:21] <veryhappy> and i'll check it out
[16:21] <schnuffle> as you want
[16:21] <veryhappy> thank you schnuffle
[16:21] <v3n0x> K1rk: Yeah, works well with torrents but not http/ftp
[16:22] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, yeah I followed that guide when I set it up. I've messed a bit with the powersaving options but not a lot
[16:22] <SuddenlyTophats> can always tweak
[16:22] <K1rk> v3n0x, I'm trying to set it up on our imaging clonezilla server running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[16:22] <SuddenlyTophats> or play with kernel params or something
[16:22] <K1rk> v3n0x, after bonding eth0, eth1, eth2, and eth3 - ethtool reports link not detected on 1,2,3 and only on 0.  0 is now negotiated at 100Mbps for some reason so I have LESS bandwidth than I did before.
[16:22] <K1rk> v3n0x, I am not sure what I'm doing wrong.
[16:22] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: check with those, I don't know exactly what the i915.semaphores=1 does, but may help?
[16:23] <SuddenlyTophats> it's to the point where I boot it, get a blank screen, log in blind and spam my keyboard shortcut (that resets dpms) until my desktop shows up.
[16:23] <SuddenlyTophats> it's almost entertaining :D
[16:23] <K1rk> v3n0x, I was attempting mode 6, but I do have a switch I could configure for mode 4 if necessary.
[16:23] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, I'll play with it :)
[16:23] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: in your /etc/default/grub
[16:23] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: huh, interesting.
[16:24] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, I found a couple posts from people with the same issue, but not much in the way of solutions :s
[16:24] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: on the forums? can I see the link?
[16:24] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, I'll see what I can find, was on a different install when I was searching.
[16:25] <bob__> Hello guys!
[16:25] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: I can confirm that on my Wife's ux31e (or whatever the 13" is), she only has the weird Sentelic touchpad issue. I wonder why it's different.
[16:25] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: on 12.04 that is
[16:25] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/991902
[16:25] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, that's one of the links
[16:26] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, I should have bought the larger model :D
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> SuddenlyTophats: does the system have a make / model?
[16:26] <h00k> ActionParsnip: it's a ZenBook UX21e
[16:26] <bob__> I have a hp laserjet cp1215 which i don't think has a drive for Linux, is there a way to work with this printer inside Linux?
[16:26] <h00k> (ASUS)
[16:26] <SuddenlyTophats> ActionParsnip, yeah, the mdoel is ux21e iirc
[16:27] <adahlin> I'm running ntp on an ubuntu server and have servers set, but the time is still way off... thoughts?
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> bob__: try grabbing the latest HPLIP from the HPLIP site
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> adahlin: is the hardware clock right?
[16:28] <adahlin> ActionParsnip, not sure, how do i check.. the output of "date" is like 15 min off
[16:28] <schnuffle> bob__:  the cp1215 should be supported
[16:28] <SuddenlyTophats> h00k, Be back in a second, I should get some breakfast. Thanks for the assistance!
[16:28] <h00k> SuddenlyTophats: Good luck :s sorry I couldn't be of more immediate help This bug report looks like it's on the right track
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> SuddenlyTophats: do you have the latest BIOS?
[16:29] <bourke> is there a way to reinit gnome-keyring without having to logout/login again?
[16:29] <K1rk> So somehow I messed up bonding my interfaces.  Here's my /etc/network/interfaces file - any idea what I've done wrong?
[16:29] <K1rk> http://gopaste.it/pnw9
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> adahlin: hwclock --show
[16:29] <schnuffle> bob__: or install lartest hplip http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/install/index.html
[16:29] <samartha> how to use outlook in pinguy os?
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> adahlin: may need sudo
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> samartha: pinguy isn't supported here
[16:29] <samartha> ok...thanks
[16:29] <schnuffle> samartha: and outlook won't run under any linux
[16:29] <adahlin> ActionParsnip, "Wed 06 Jun 2012 04:32:12 PM PDT  -0.884210 seconds" date shows "Wed Jun  6 09:29:53 PDT 2012"
[16:30] <bourke> it will with crossover
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> adahlin: is that accurrate?
[16:30] <samartha> in which its suppot
[16:30] <adahlin> nope, it's 9:30am PDT
[16:30] <schnuffle> bourke: does it only run or is it usable?
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> adahlin: probably why then, your hardware  clock in BIOS is out
[16:30] <samartha> i mean exchange server to connect from linux
[16:30] <adahlin> ActionParsnip, yikes, after running hwclock, the date seems to have updated...
[16:31] <bourke> schnuffle: afaik it's pretty good
[16:31] <stueng> whats the ubuntu chit chat channel ?
[16:31] <ActionParsnip> samartha: #pinguyos
[16:31] <samartha> thanks
[16:31] <schnuffle> bourke: cool, good to know
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> stueng  #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:32] <Relondo> So, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu on my Toshiba Satellite L-775D
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> SuddenlyTophats: http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/BIOS/Asus/Asus-Zenbook-UX21E-Bios-207.shtml
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> SuddenlyTophats: mentions black screening...
[16:33] <Relondo> Ubuntu loads up and I can hear it starting, but then it  black screens.
[16:33] <toafan_> I want to bind a global hotkey to rhythmbox rating_up/rating_down
[16:33] <mralberto> Is there any easy way to run a program without any networking access?
[16:33] <toafan_> but first I need a plugin that offers that
[16:33] <Relondo> SuddenlyTophats, was that for me?
[16:33] <toafan_> anyone know of one?
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: what video chip do you use?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> mralberto: sure, super tux racer doesn't need any network access at all
[16:34] <toafan_> mralberto: commandline?  depends what program
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> mralberto: neither does gedit...
[16:34] <sacarlson> mralberto: do you mean install a program without networking?  if so yes
[16:34] <Relondo> My video card is an AMD Radeon 6520G. I don't know what a video chip is.
[16:34] <scottdeagan> Relondo - when it black screens, can you CTRL + ALT + F1 (does that display a terminal window)?
[16:34] <mralberto> ActionParsnip, I mean prevent an program/command from having networking access.
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: you just named the chip...not the card :)
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: try the boot option: nomodeset
[16:34] <mralberto> I was thinking proxychains, but that has to be configured globally each time.
[16:35] <Relondo> Nomodeset doesn't work.
[16:35] <Relondo> And yes, I can Ctrl + Alt + F1
[16:35] <toafan_> mralberto: so... sounds like you want a per-applicationn firewall?
[16:35] <Relondo> Wait, so what's the graphics card, then?
[16:35] <mralberto> toafan_, yes, that sounds right.
[16:35] <schnuffle> Relondo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1962070
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> mralberto: you can use iptables to block the application
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: is it the install media or an installed OS?
[16:36] <akamikeym> Hi, I just had an Update Manager update freeze when it was saying something about updating grub. Is there anything that I can do to check for errors introduced? I've run update-grub just in case
[16:36] <scottdeagan> Relondo - if you CTRL + ALT + F1 and it displays a TTY, then you need to re-install your graphics driver.
[16:36] <schnuffle> akamikeym: restart the update and it should finish
[16:36] <Relondo> ActionParsnip: Not sure what you mean.
[16:36] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: TTY?
[16:37] <scottdeagan> Relondo - a terminal.
[16:37] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: the card is the thing that the chip is on, in linux it is moot, you are driving the chip. So it doesn't matter if its a 2Gb card from gigabyte or a 1Gb card from MSI, the chip is all we are interested in
[16:37] <scottdeagan> Relondo - does it display a terminal asking you for your login?
[16:37] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: is the OS booting from the CD or is it on your hard drive?
[16:37] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: No
[16:38] <akamikeym> schnuffle, didn't show anything. Although I did think it was near the and anyway.
[16:38] <scottdeagan> Relondo - I thought you said earlier that you could CTRL + ALT + F1.
[16:38] <Relondo> ActionParsnip: I have tried Wubi, CD, and USB.
[16:38] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: I can. But I don't get a login. Just the terminal.
[16:38] <scottdeagan> What does the terminal display?
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: try the safemodevga option in the initial boot screen
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | Relondo
[16:39] <mralberto> ActionParsnip, that would work, but it needs to be configured globally similar to proxychains.  I was hoping there was a command I could use like "no-network wget http://example.com/" that blocks all network access for the child program (like proxychains with LD_PRELOAD).
[16:39] <SuddenlyTophats> ActionParsnip, I do have the latest bios (211 I think?)
[16:39] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: It's been a while since I actually booted it up. We are talking command line, I thought.
[16:40] <toafan_> mralberto: so... you want to block by instance, not by program (program name)?
[16:40] <scottdeagan> Relondo: yes, that's exactly what I mean :)
[16:40] <Relondo> ActionParsnip: Safemodevga doesn't work either.
[16:40] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: Yeah, all I have is the command line.
[16:40] <scottdeagan> Relondo: in your position, I would download the proprietary AMD Catalyst driver from the terminal and install the driver again.
[16:40] <toafan_> mralberto: couldn't you tweak iptables on-the-fly?
[16:41] <scottdeagan> Relondo: I'm not sure about Radeon, but if it's the AMD Catalyst driver you require, then you can download it from the terminal using: wget http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/amd-driver-installer-12-4-x86.x86_64.run
[16:41] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: So what is the actual problem here? I read in a few places that some Toshiba hardware is incompatible with Ubuntu, period.
[16:41] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[16:41] <toafan_> mralberto: you could check your programs for 'no-network' options
[16:41] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[16:41] <scottdeagan> Relondo - Oh... Not sure about that, I don't have a Toshiba.
[16:42] <ceed^> Are there any alternative kernel ppa's available for Ubuntu? For Debian there's the Liquorix kernels, but they do not work well with Ubuntu so I wondered if there are PPAs available with newer optimized kernels for Ubunttu?
[16:42] <mralberto> toafan_, yeah, by instance ideally (although by name would still be doable).  I guess I could make a script that would block programname's access in iptables, run it, and after that re-enable it.
[16:42] <scottdeagan> Relondo: the step I would take is installation of the Catalyst drivers.
[16:42] <schnuffle> mralberto: iptables has --pid-owner/--gid-owner, so could could block a user and start the app under that user
[16:42] <toafan_> mralberto: although I doubt wget would work without network
[16:43] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: The one that ActionParsnip just linked me to?
[16:43] <mralberto> schnuffle, that might be useful actually.
[16:43] <mralberto> toafan_, wget was just an example.  Some apps try to download things that they don't really need to download.
[16:43] <scottdeagan> Relondo: I cannot see what he linked you to.
[16:43] <schnuffle> mralberto:  would be something like: iptables -A OUTPUT -o ethX -m owner --uid-owner {USERNAME} -j REJECT
[16:43] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: Wait, that was you. Sorry, lol.
[16:44] <scottdeagan> :)
[16:44] <scottdeagan> Relondo: here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[16:44] <scottdeagan> Relondo: to get the driver from the terminal, use: wget http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/amd-driver-installer-12-4-x86.x86_64.run
[16:45] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: So do I need both of those?
[16:45] <mralberto> schnuffle, what would I use to execute the program as another user from bash?
[16:45] <Jon--> I'd like to make gnome-panel completely transparent (along with the menu + indicator apps) in gnome-session-fallback on Ubuntu 12.04. I found a guide online about editing themes, but it's outdated and I can't find anything newer. Any ideas?
[16:45] <scottdeagan> Relondo: no, you just need to "wget" it.
[16:45] <schnuffle> mralberto: su - <user> -c "<command>"
[16:45] <toafan_> rhythembox rating_up/rating_down plugin, anyone heard of one?
[16:45] <LoboX> onething i know this is a ubuntu channel i have one quick question about asterisk or elastix, im trying i dont know a name of something i want to do i just want to know the name to search on how to do it anybody here with knowledge on asterisk or elastix?
[16:45] <scottdeagan> Relondo: then you need to make is executable using: chmod u+x ./amd-driver-installer-12-4-x86.x86_64.run
[16:45] <toafan_> mralberto: sudo <user> should work IIRC
[16:46] <schnuffle> LoboX: yes
[16:46] <scottdeagan> Relondo: then you need to run it using: sudo ./amd-driver-installer-12-4-x86.x86_64.run
[16:46] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: You just gave me a link to a website, so can I download that instead?
[16:46] <toafan_> mralberto: or rather, more like schnuffle's version but with sudo
[16:46] <scottdeagan> Relondo: (then just follow the onscreen instructions)
[16:46] <LoboX> schnuffle ok what i want to do is pick a phone and say something and everybody in everyroom listen to what i say from my phone
[16:46] <scottdeagan> Relondo - yes, but I thought you don't have a GUI?
[16:47] <LoboX> what to do call that on asteriosk and elastix
[16:47] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: I thought you were saying I could install from Windows.
[16:47] <mralberto> schnuffle, that sounds like one option.  It's still less convenient than I would like, but it might be the best I can get.
[16:47] <schnuffle> LoboX:  so you mean you want to create a conference room?
[16:47] <scottdeagan> Relondo - of, you are trying to run Ubuntu in a Virtual Machine?
[16:47] <mralberto> I wonder if netcat can do what I want.
[16:47] <trism> Jon--: probably going to be difficult until bug 966697 is fixed
[16:47] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: (I'm currently on the computer I want Ubuntu on. It's not broken; just the Ubuntu is.)
[16:47] <schnuffle> mralberto: it's the only iea I got from your question, mayne there're better solutions
[16:47] <LoboX> yes you can say that, a conference to all offices
[16:48] <sacarlson> mralberto: su username ;  application_name
[16:48] <LoboX> thats what i need to search then conference
[16:48] <jkbe> hi all
[16:48] <scottdeagan> Relondo: how are you trying to install/use Ubuntu? Dual-boot?
[16:48] <schnuffle> LoboX: yep
[16:48] <jkbe> i have a question:
[16:48] <LoboX> thanks schnuffle
[16:48] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: No, but I thought this was a driver for my card, not my OS, so I could download and install it in Windows.
[16:48] <schnuffle> LoboX: good luck
[16:48] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: Yes.
[16:49] <scottdeagan> Relondo - I was of the understanding that you were trying to run Ubuntu natively (a native install - as in not within a virtual machine, like a VirtualBox guest or something).
[16:49] <schnuffle> LoboX: another thing is direct access which means you pick your phone type a key and then everybody gets your message. Just don't get the correct name
[16:49] <jkbe> im installing ubuntu 12.04 on my intel core i7 3930k/ asus p9x79 deluxe desktop and i have a problem with the mouse, i can move it but it looks like i cant move certain windows or push certain buttons...
[16:49] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: I am trying to set up dual-boot, or even Wubi, if necessary, though I'd like to avoid that.
[16:50] <scottdeagan> Relondo: but you must have already installed Ubuntu, right?
[16:50] <scottdeagan> Relondo: you get the terminal, yeah?
[16:50] <schnuffle> scottdeagan: go scotty go :)
[16:50] <scar2> my windows pc crapped out, not sure if the hd is accesible-- is it hard to boot from live cd then mount the drive so i can use internet to upload the very few files i need?
[16:50] <schnuffle> scar2: its easy
[16:51] <Relondo> Scottdeagan: I uninstalled after I couldn't get it working. I just want to know if I can install that driver from inside Windows 7, or if I need to do it through the terminal.
[16:51] <scar2> schnuffle: i figured so. last time i ddi that was in 2006
[16:51] <scar2> maybe 07
[16:51] <scar2> schnuffle: is there an article u recommend? if not ill just googlelol
[16:51] <scottdeagan> Relondo: if this is the case: 1. Boot into Ubuntu, 2. ALT + CTRL + F1 to get a terminal up, 3. "wget" the Catalyst driver, 4. "chmod u+x" the driver, 5. Run the driver, 6. Follow instructions.
[16:51] <LoboX> schnuffle ohhh probably thats the one i need
[16:51] <schnuffle> scar2: it's much easier then in 2006. Just pick a nice live rescue tool
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: wubi won't make the video any different...
[16:52] <scar2> schnuffle: so ubuntu desktop is not the one i want?
[16:52] <schnuffle> LoboX: I see, wait, i'll check my links
[16:52] <Relondo> ActionParsnip: I know. But Wubi is gross; Don't want to have to use that.
[16:52] <thomasd> Hay I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but I cant think of anywhere better. I'm looking into a laptop for collage. And I just have a few questions about the chrome book. Is it a fully fledged linux machine Like could I install kde if i like and can i get to the terminal /
[16:52] <jkbe> you can get files of a hdd with ubuntu desktop live
[16:52] <schnuffle> scar2: if you only want to mount the HD it should do the job
[16:52] <Relondo> Anyway, I have to go. Thanks for your help, both of you :)
[16:52] <LoboX> thanks schnuffle
[16:52] <jkbe>  im installing ubuntu 12.04 on my intel core i7 3930k/ asus p9x79 deluxe desktop and i have a problem with the mouse, i can move it but it looks like i cant move certain windows or push certain buttons...
[16:53] <jkbe> i had the same problem on my old i7 desktop
[16:53] <scar2> schnuffle: so ubuntu desktop is all i need? last time i remember there was an automatic software that installed all the windows-users friendly stuff
[16:53] <scar2> schnuffle: just ill cancel the 700mb download if theres a better ubuntu disk/iso to download for just this
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: you won't have to as it won't gani you anything :). It's a weird issue
[16:54] <thomasd> Hay I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but I cant think of anywhere better. I'm looking into a laptop for collage. And I just have a few questions about the chrome book. Is it a fully fledged linux machine Like could I install kde if i like and can i get to the terminal /
[16:54] <macer1> hi
[16:54] <schnuffle> scar2: go with the ubuntu desktop, there're a lot of specialized rescue distris but you need to know how to use them
[16:54] <macer1> anyone got tracer gamepad drivers?
[16:54] <macer1> :|
[16:55] <macer1> it is recognized, but doesn't send any events like on button push
[16:55] <scottdeagan> thomasd - I looked at a ChromeBook, was not impressed.
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: try #androidtablet
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: or #chromebook-linux
[16:55] <scar2> schnuffle: dang im so lost. i forgot everything but ubuntu desktop is halfway done. i know im being a vampire here, but is there just an easy doc or easy method to save me time? this is pretty time sensitive i need to get my invoices =P
[16:56] <scottdeagan> thomasd: I would recommend going for something other than a ChromeBook, but that's just my personal opinion. The ChromeBook is like a browser with Google cloud serices attached.
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> scar2: what do you need to do?
[16:56] <schnuffle> LoboX: I think in english it should be "Direct and Group Call Pickup"
[16:56] <scar2> ActionParsnip: back in 2006, i used a ubuntu live cd to mount my harddrive and use internet to upload the files i couldnt access
[16:56] <thomasd> scottdeagan: i need something that has access to the web and I can run x-forwarding to my local desktop to do any heavy lifting application
[16:57] <figureout> I am using Ubuntu 11.10 and from some days, I am not able to access my college internet network. When i connect my ethernet cable and boot, it says connection established and then when i start "firefox" it says the server cannot be reached. When i again try to connect, clicking on the eth0 label, it says "you are now offline" connection disabled. This happends everytime I boot into ubuntu, from about a week or so. Please help
[16:57] <leequarella> are the RVM servers down?  I am unable to fetch any rubies
[16:57] <LoboX> thanks schnuffle ill check that out
[16:57] <scar2> ActionParsnip: so im assuming downloading the iso for ubuntu desktop will allow me to make it a "live cd", and i need to basically get in there, mount it, allow Ethernet internet connections and then use internet to upload
[16:57] <figureout> I have been using the college net before
[16:57] <ActionParsnip> scar2: why do you not have a backup?
[16:57] <KMez> can someone please help me...Im running 12.04 and have google chrome...how do I get the flash to stop running so choppy
[16:57] <ActionParsnip> scar2: especially as it has now happened twice...
[16:57] <schnuffle> scar2: Then just boot the live CD/USB.  Normally it should recognize your HD and mount it
[16:58] <scottdeagan> thomasd: apparrently you can install native Linux on the ChromeBook, but it seems like a very locked down and "different" way of doing things (not that different is bad). Just seemed very restrictive to me - was definitely not a "general purpose computing device".
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> KMez: can you give a pastebin of the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[16:58] <thomasd> hay can i get real-time x-forwarding over a wifi network
[16:58] <schnuffle> scar2: aha, didn't learn from the first deasaster? :)
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: add the -C to the options you connect with to enable compression
[16:59] <KMez> No LSB modules are available.
[16:59] <KMez> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[16:59] <KMez> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[16:59] <KMez> Release:	12.04
[16:59] <KMez> Codename:	precise
[16:59] <FloodBot1> KMez: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:59] <KMez> Linux waldo-OptiPlex-GX270 3.2.0-24-generic-pae #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 18:54:21 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[16:59] <schnuffle> thomasd: You mean remote desktop access? If so yes
[16:59] <scar2> schnuffle: mounts auto? i used to have to install this automatic software that would put flash, etc etc on it for "easy window users"
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> KMez: pastebin in future, I did say to use pastebin. Why did you NOT use a pastebin?
[16:59] <KMez> sorry im new to this
[16:59] <scottdeagan> KMez - are you running proprietary graphics drivers? It is only choppy in fullscreen mode?
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> KMez: then ASK what a pastebin is and we can tell you...
[16:59] <thomasd> schnuffle so i could play minecraft on my main pc from a laptop?
[17:00] <schnuffle> scar2:  linux supports NTFS for a while now even read write
[17:00] <scar2> schnuffle ActionParsnip: this is the first time its happened on this computer... crashing.
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> !paste | KMez
[17:00] <KMez> no its choopy in regular size too
[17:00] <meatwad> sup everybody
[17:00] <schnuffle> thomasd:  you can but the performance is not good enough for games I guess
[17:00] <scottdeagan> KMez - what graphics drivers are you running?
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> KMez: if you can make a pastebin of teh text, it will make a URL you can paste in here so we can see all the text and you won't scroll the channel
[17:01] <KMez> i didnt install anything extra just watever ubuntu found when installing
[17:01] <thomasd> schnuffle word processing ?
[17:01] <scar2> schnuffle: im assuming ubuntu has more out-of-box features now? lol
[17:01] <scottdeagan> Have to go now before someone asks me to do something else. Take care all.
[17:02] <TankFace> hooray for pastebin
[17:02] <jagginess> pastebin.ca > pastebin.com
[17:02] <jagginess> !
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> pastie.org
[17:03] <jagginess> also xclip > pastebinit  in cli
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> jagginess: not for irc usage :)
[17:03] <scar2> prob a dumb question considering its been 6yrs
[17:03] <jagginess> speaking of.. someone mentioned recently that pastebinit command doesnt work anymore..
[17:03] <schnuffle> thomasd:  easy. The standard that comes with ubuntu is VNC, For slow network there's FreeNX
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> jagginess: are there any bugs reported? Have you tried setting a different paste site?
[17:04] <thomasd> schnuffle: cant you just do ssx -X
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: ssh -X -C username@host
[17:04] <schnuffle> scar2: I would say linux in gerenal
[17:04] <jagginess> ActionParsnip, i dont use pastebinit, but used to long ago, sometimes an update on the pastebin.com site can break the pastebinit command, i guess an update may be inthe works if this is true
[17:05] <schnuffle> thomasd: Of course you can when you work on a PC with a running X-Server
[17:05] <seejohnrun> I'm trying to install libmagickwand-dev on 12.04 - and seeing http://hastebin.com/doxuyemaho - any ideas?
[17:05] <jagginess> ActionParsnip, meanwhile, one can use xclip to use midmouse button to paste on the site
[17:05] <thomasd> Should i get a laptop and install linux or just get a mac for the stability and unix-like environment and increced compatability
[17:05] <nyc-h0st_> after upgrade to 12.04 rsyslog is going nuts, getting infinite number of the following messages "kernel: imklog Error return from sys_sycall: 1", any ideas?
[17:06] <jagginess> thomasd, if you can afford it, i would get a mactel (mac machine with intel), linux can work on it with the help of refit.sf.net
[17:06] <jagginess> thomasd, you can even triple boot on a mac..
[17:06] <schnuffle> seejohnrun: did you made a repo update before?
[17:07] <thomasd> jagginess i have no beef with os10
[17:07] <figureout> quit
[17:07] <jagginess> thomasd, (bootcamp sux and you dont need to use it, use the Disk Utility to make the partition table, and then the refit utility properly)
[17:07] <seejohnrun> schnuffle: with apt-get update? (yes)
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: i'd ask in ##hardware I wouldn't ever buy mac :).
[17:07] <seejohnrun> schnuffle: and this is on a fresh install
[17:08] <jagginess> thomasd, you don't need to install OsX at all.. but here's the thing..
[17:08] <schnuffle> seejohnrun: harddisk has enough space? when you search for your package does it show up?
[17:08] <jagginess> thomasd, sometimes apple sends out firmware updates and get applied from OSx updates.. so in a way you might be forced to install OsX
[17:09] <thomasd> Can i get linux to run stably on a laptop
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: increased compatibility with mac over linux....are you crazy?
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: runs well here
[17:09] <jagginess> thomasd, (like battery life improvement, or trackpad improvement in the firmware update)
[17:09] <donvito2> is it possible authentication method to be automaticaly?
[17:09] <schnuffle> seejohnrun: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze3 doesn't look like a ubuntu package
[17:09] <donvito2> cause its weird everytime i install a software i need to authenticate with password
[17:10] <jagginess> thomasd, yes.. and i'm sure a macbook is no exception..
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> donvito2: for what?
[17:10] <seejohnrun> schnuffle: woop - you caught me :) i'll head to the crunchbang room
[17:10] <toafan_> thomasd: probably shouldn't be a problem
[17:10] <thomasd> what's a good laptop around the price range of 200-500$
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> donvito2: yes, its an admin task
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> thomasd: I'd ask in ##hardware
[17:10] <jagginess> thomasd, there are many guides targetted for macbooks (wikis on it for debian/ubuntu are very popular for macs)
[17:10] <donvito2> so i can made be automatically
[17:10] <schnuffle> seejohnrun: :)
[17:10] <seejohnrun> schnuffle: thanks for the help - sorry for the off-topic
[17:10] <donvito2> ActionParsnip tell me how
[17:10] <MonkeyDust> donvito2  that's called 'security'
[17:10] <donvito2> yes but my ubuntu is for local use only
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> donvito2: use your password
[17:11] <angs> how can I connect an embedded board through the usb serial cable? what is the command for it?
[17:11] <donvito2> ActionParsnip i want to not use my pasword
[17:11] <donvito2> i want that method to go automatically
[17:12] <schnuffle> donvito2:  http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/03/how-to-enable-auto-login-under-ubuntu.html
[17:12] <MonkeyDust> donvito2  if it's automatic for you, it's also automatic for a portential intruder
[17:12] <MonkeyDust> potential*
[17:13] <tobe_> hello all. I need help: Everytime i try to transfer files onto any flash drive/ device it says it cannot write or it makes errors on the drive/device
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> donvito2: if you get to allow software in automatically then anything from anywhere will be able to install software too, you will be gutting a lot of security from your OS
[17:14] <angs> how can I connect an embedded board through the usb serial cable? what is the command for it?
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> donvito2: in short it's a bad idea
[17:14] <donvito2> ok
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> donvito2: and considering it's just a mild inconvenience I'd advise against it
[17:14] <schnuffle> angs: it depends on the board
[17:14] <schnuffle> angs: for arduino: just connect it and chosse the correct tty
[17:15] <angs> schnuffle: I use beaglebone that runs ubuntu-arm
[17:16] <schnuffle> angs:  http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/14/how-to-get-started-with-the-beaglebone/
[17:17] <scar2> so im booting from the newest ubuntu desktop disk, and its taking forever--- this is normal i suppose. but when do i know if its stuck? it says ubuntu and has 5 dots under it like a bottom bordere, but they are all static red-- normal?
[17:17] <antonio_> exit
[17:17] <angs> it shows how to connect the board through ssh. I found a command "screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200 " but it does not work
[17:17] <schnuffle> scar2: When it takes longer it can be due to waiting for the network to come up
[17:18] <scar2> schnuffle: no network connected. its an old laptop used for just invoices for a burger joint
[17:18] <angs> does 11520 a generic value or related with the board?
[17:18] <schnuffle> angs: Sure its ttyUSB1
[17:19] <scar2> schnuffle: i just figured ubuntu would let me know if it cant run live disc
[17:19] <scar2> schnuffle: when i did boot from CD, it hasnt asked me any options-- to boot live or install or anything.. did i get the wrong disk?
[17:20] <schnuffle> scar2: the CD just boots into live system, so you can test and has a desktop icon to install
[17:20] <GFC> hello
[17:21] <GFC> need
[17:21] <schnuffle> !anyone | GFC
[17:22] <schnuffle> angs: can't you connect your board over ethernet?
[17:22] <JoT> Hello!
[17:22] <tobe_> can anyone help me with this plz?  Everytime i try to transfer files onto any flash drive/ device it says it cannot write or it makes errors on the drive/device
[17:22] <scar2> schnuffle: ok i restarted and trying again.. u know those dots under the ubuntu logo t hat turn red then white red then white.... well what hapens when it sticks on red
[17:22] <schnuffle> angs:  http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm
[17:23] <jondoe> I want to redirect some syslog lines into its own file and created /etc/rsyslog.d/10-selinux.conf with the line :msg,contains,"avc: " /var/log/audit.log in it, but now it prints to both audit.log and syslog
[17:23] <scar2> schnuffle: its an old laptop, intel celeron M with XP lol... so i dunno how long im supposed to wait or signs of its not going to work
[17:23] <jondoe> how do I prevent it from printing to syslog as well?
[17:23] <schnuffle> scar2: Normally it takes a while and the starts the desktop. which tool did you use to create the USB
[17:23] <scar2> schnuffle: using the CD
[17:24] <scar2> schnuffle: do i need a USB?
[17:24] <jondoe> i used 30-ufw.conf or something as template, because it works properly, prints only to ufw.log
[17:24] <solirc> Forcing "Firefox 13" on the user as a "security update" is beyond me.  Not sure whom to blame, canonical or Mozilla, but I'm certainly pissed!
[17:24] <scar2> schnuffle also whats a while? 15min? 30min? etc
[17:24] <schnuffle> scar2: no, thought you are using a usb stick
[17:24] <schnuffle> scar2: 5 minutes should be enough
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> solirc: checked the changelog on launchpad to see what was updated?
[17:25] <JoT> DO ТЫ PARLEZ DOUTCH?
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> !dutch
[17:25] <schnuffle> jondoe: you need to prevent syslog to write all to syslog, so you need to change that
[17:25] <JoT> DO ТЫ PARLEZ DOUTCH?
[17:25] <scar2> schnuffle: ok it quits making noise and all 5 dots under the logo are red.
[17:26] <jondoe> schnuffle, but ufw logs are not printed to syslog
[17:26] <scar2> schnuffle: im assuming this wont work. 2nd time the dots stopped  changing colors from white to red. any other ideas or options i have?
[17:26] <JoT> France?
[17:26] <oCean> !ru | JoT
[17:26] <angs> schnuffle: the eth interface does not work that's why I am trying to connect through the usb. thanks for your suggestion
[17:26] <jondoe> and it uses the same line basically
[17:26] <toafan_> looking to use rating_up/rating_down in rhythmbox.  Anyone know of a plugin to offer those?
[17:26] <schnuffle> jondoe:  maybe because ufw uses already USER.LOCAL5 ot something like that that is not printed to syslog
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> solirc: did yuo check it??
[17:26] <JoT> ПОЖАЛУЙСТА ОТСОСИТЕ!
[17:27] <jondoe> schnuffle, hmm, okay. how do I filter lines from syslog then?
[17:27] <schnuffle> jondoe: running rsyslog?
[17:27] <solirc> ActionParsnip: are you refering to this: https://launchpad.net/firefox
[17:27] <jondoe> ya
[17:27] <JoT> Кто тут говорить русский?
[17:28] <solirc> ActionParsnip: "Latest version is 3.0.19", I'm littele bit puzzled by that.
[17:28] <Pici> JoT: /join #ubuntu-ru
[17:28] <JoT> Говорить русский кто?
[17:28] <trism> solirc: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1463-1/
[17:28] <jondoe> I want the lines concerning selinux auditing to end up in /var/log/audit.log and not /var/log/syslog.1
[17:28] <jondoe> syslog*
[17:28] <JoT> PICA ЧТО ТЫ ПИШЕШЬ?
[17:29] <DarkAceZ> Okay, chromium keeps crashing in 12: [14581:14581:64097706394:ERROR:tab_strip_gtk.cc(1265)] Not implemented reached in virtual void TabStripGtk::StopAllHighlighting()
[17:29] <DarkAceZ> [14581:14581:67845063191:ERROR:tab_strip_gtk.cc(1265)] Not implemented reached in virtual void TabStripGtk::StopAllHighlighting()
[17:29] <DarkAceZ> Aborted (core dumped)
[17:29] <JoT> джоин
[17:29] <NielsMkn> hey guys
[17:29] <JoT> у меня пробема в убунте есть народ кто здесь?
[17:29] <Pici> !ru | JoT
[17:30] <NielsMkn> how do I set deluge to be magnet client?
[17:30] <JoT> ?
[17:30] <NielsMkn> default magnet client*
[17:30] <schnuffle> jondoe: then check then line where it declares what goes to syslog something like: *.* /var/log/syslog, you need to change the *.*
[17:30] <JoT> там никого нет
[17:30] <Pici> JoT: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке.
[17:30] <hackera457_> sss
[17:30] <JoT> ВСЕ СПЯТ СЕЙЧАС ТАМ
[17:30] <Pici> JoT: только на английском языке здесь
[17:30] <solirc> trism: thx
[17:30] <schnuffle> jondoe: I don't have a ubuntu system to check for the moment
[17:31] <jondoe> okay
[17:31] <jondoe> it looks like *.*;auth,authpriv.none          -/var/log/syslog
[17:31] <JoT>  JUST USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE PLEASE
[17:31] <solirc> so I guess I should blame Mozilla.
[17:31] <jondoe> I'll try changing it
[17:31] <Pici> JoT: I am. #ubuntu is english only.  Russian in #ubuntu-ru only.
[17:31] <schnuffle> jondoe:  the *.* tells rsyslog that everythin is going to syslog
[17:31] <JoT> WHERE LUBUNTU CHANNEL?
[17:31] <Pici> JoT: If you cannot find help now, try later when more russian speakers are available.
[17:32] <Pici> JoT: #lubuntu, and please do not use caps.
[17:32] <JoT> OK! AND WHY NOT USE CAPS?
[17:32] <gerardo__> hello, sombody know how can I configure lightDM to use in multiple users auto-login?
[17:33] <Pici> JoT: Because it is annoying.
[17:33] <schnuffle> JoT: because CAPS is seen as shouting
[17:33] <tobe_> i cannot find help on forums on this-> Everytime i try to transfer files onto any flash drive/ device it says it cannot write or it makes errors on the drive/device. does anyone know anything about it?
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> solirc: taht or switch browser :)
[17:33] <compdoc> Because it is annoying. <- I was about to say that
[17:33] <jondoe> okay, a sample line of audit log looks as such, http://paste2.org/p/2047204 should I match !kernel or something?
[17:33] <JoT> NO!
[17:33] <schnuffle> tobe_:  with different drives or with the same?
[17:33] <jondoe> i'll try that
[17:33] <MonkeyDust> JoT  please stop using caps
[17:33] <tobe_> i done it with 2 different ones
[17:34] <JoT> there are no colors, no bold text and oblique, and underscores poor reading this chat, I see bad
[17:34] <JoT> Язык оригинала: украинский Everything here is mixed.
[17:34] <schnuffle> tobe_:  insert your usb and paste the result of mount with pastebinit
[17:35] <JoT> Everything here is mixed.
[17:35] <tobe_> schnuffle: ive done it on a sandisk and a phone and it never finishes the transfers and it also says it has errors when i try to do it again. (ive tried formatting to fat32
[17:35] <tobe_> schnuffle: ok
[17:35] <JoT> FIX IT PLEASE!
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> JoT  did you have a support question?
[17:35] <scar2> schnuffle: so im sol huh? lol
[17:35] <jondoe> schnuffle, changing to *.*;auth,autpriv.none,!kernel, thanks!
[17:35] <JoT> yes
[17:35] <CookieM> JoT look at preferences, should be displaying option somewhere
[17:35] <JoT> about LUbuntu
[17:35] <schnuffle> jondoe: you're welcome
[17:35] <veryhappy> schnuffle: hello, i'm back. i've checked /etc/apt/sources.list and universe was activated
[17:36] <solirc> ActionParsnip: I certainly wold have done so long ago, if only there were plausible alternatives, but so far ff + pentadactyl is the only thing that works for me
[17:36] <schnuffle> JoT: ask and if somebody can help you they will, I'm using lubuntu as well
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> JoT: mixed in what way?
[17:36] <jondoe> worked*
[17:36] <MonkeyDust> JoT  type /join #lubuntu
[17:36] <angs> I execute this command as root "/dev/ttyUSB1 115200"  I get the following error "bash: /dev/ttyUSB1: Permission denied" how can over come it?
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> solirc: tried Chromium / steel browser?
[17:36] <JoT> messages mixed
[17:36] <solirc> ActionParsnip: steel is a vim-like extension?
[17:36] <schnuffle> angs: which command?
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> JoT: well yeah, thats why you type the name of the user you are addressnig and it higlights
[17:37] <JoT> a lot of extra information
[17:37] <JoT> In chat
[17:37] <angs> sorry: /dev/ttyUSB1 115200
[17:37] <schnuffle> angs: I still don't see a command
[17:37] <JoT> entered user exit change nick and etc
[17:37] <angs> .   /dev/ttyUSB1 115200
[17:37] <angs> without .
[17:37] <schnuffle> angs: thats a name of a device but not a command
[17:37] <angs> I will use pastebin if it is still not visible
[17:37] <solirc> ActionParsnip: My first hit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_(web_browser)
[17:38] <solirc> ActionParsnip: does not read promising
[17:38] <angs> hmmm so how can I get permission
[17:38] <llutz> angs: you want to read about "setserial"
[17:38] <schnuffle> angs: paste ls -l /dev/ttyUSB1
[17:38] <angs> what can I do to connect to the embedded board
[17:39] <angs> output is >> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 1 Jun  6 19:35 /dev/ttyUSB1
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> solirc: sorry it's called Steel
[17:39] <JoT> U NIID FIX CHAT
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> solirc: its Chrome but without the google stuffs
[17:39] <JoT> remove extra info
[17:39] <tobe_> schnuffle: ok im trying to transfer now. it looks like it worked, except the "file operations" is stuck at 49.8 out of 50.9
[17:39] <chrislsp> Hello, is anyone available for helping me solve my nvidia-flash player-hue-smurfs problem?
[17:39] <JoT> u need
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> JoT: you can disable that with your client
[17:39] <JoT> no
[17:39] <llutz> angs:connect to embedded board how? serial line, telnet, ssh?
[17:39] <JoT> disable it on defailt please
[17:40] <JoT> dafault
[17:40] <OerHeks> JoT part&joins are normal on IRC, check your client to hide them yourself.
[17:40] <solirc> ActionParsnip: Well, chromium does not meet my taste, when it comes to user interfaces.
[17:40] <schnuffle> angs: add your user to the dialout group
[17:40] <chrislsp> I have a problem with hue in youtube videos, any help ?
[17:40] <JoT> chat use java or javascript? Then why not format the text?
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> solirc: in what way?
[17:41] <angs> llutz: I am using beaglebone that runs ubuntu-arm. its ethernet interface does not work. so I am trying to connec it through usb port
[17:41] <solirc> ActionParsnip: you need the mouse to be productive, I think
[17:41] <c0n> hi, i ve got a problem with the menu and apt: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/408612/
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> solirc: you can use shortcuts, duckduckgo also has great shortcut functionjality
[17:42] <angs> schnuffle: it is my stupidness that I did not put "screen" in front of the command. Thanks a lot for your help
[17:42] <llutz> angs: doesn't the beagleboard have usb-host-ports only?
[17:42] <schnuffle> angs: so it works now?
[17:42] <angs> schnuffle: yes it works now thanks a lot
[17:43] <angs> llutz: I am using beaglebone, I never used beagleboard
[17:43] <schnuffle> angs: it's apparently the same setup
[17:43] <angs> it has usb to serial interface, usb2, eth0 and GPIO
[17:44] <schnuffle> c0n: have yu changed something manually ?
[17:44] <angs> yes, but it is weird that the ubuntu machine did not work but the debian machine is working now. I guess I have some problem with the image loading
[17:44] <angs> thanks a lot again
[17:44] <schnuffle> angs: you're welcome
[17:45] <c0n> schnuffle: i tried to install perl 2.7 some time ago
[17:45] <c0n> after that the error occured
[17:46] <schnuffle> c0n: perl 2.7 isn't that really really old?
[17:46] <tobe_> schnuffle:  when i transfered the files, it seemed to work, but it "unmounted" or ejected the usb drive. no error message came up
[17:46] <schnuffle> tobe_: not even in syslog or dmesg?
[17:46] <tobe_> oh let me check
[17:47] <chrislsp> Anyone with flash player and nvidia problem????
[17:47] <c0n> schnuffle: idk
[17:47] <c0n> schnuffle: i know that the error occured after i tried to install something from backports
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> chrislsp: works great here, can you give a PASTEBIN of the output of: lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[17:48] <schnuffle> c0n: ten you should try to revert what you did
[17:48] <c0n> i tried afterwards
[17:48] <tobe_> schnuffle:  i check it with "dmesg | grep -i usb" right?
[17:49] <schnuffle> tobe_: jsut dmesg
[17:50] <chrislsp> ActionParsnip http://pastebin.com/YCG7X688
[17:50] <zamba> i want to get the repository for karmic, where can i find that?
[17:50] <xangua> zamba: karmic is no longer supported
[17:50] <jason^> with the new resolv crap, how do i set dns servers with static ip assignments?
[17:50] <jason^> and without it erasing my resolv.conf on reboot
[17:51] <schnuffle> zamba: http://wiki.epfl.ch/ubuntu/old-karmic
[17:51] <tobe_> schnuffle: http://pastebin.com/YCv4KJFS
[17:51] <llutz> jason^: set dns-name-servers x.x.x.x in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:51] <zamba> xangua: i know that
[17:52] <stefankrstic> How to install my webcam logitech QuickCam® Communicate STX for skype? I'm new!!!
[17:52] <llutz> "dns-nameservers x.x.x.x" even
[17:52] <chrislsp> ActionParsnip I managed to get most of the videos to work by replacing the libflashplayer.so file from /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer with one I found online but there are videos and sites telling me that I miss plugin and if I install the plugin or latest version geting hue problems
[17:52] <xangua> stefankrstic: plug it and see if it works
[17:53] <TimxCho> hey guys
[17:53] <schnuffle> tobe_: so there are a lot of errors: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[17:53] <stefankrstic> it doesn't works, that's the problem!!! sorry
[17:53] <jason^> doh i used dns-nameserver instead
[17:53] <catcher> I've got postfix running, and collecting test emails.  I'd like to be able to read them in an html-capable client like Thunderbird. How can I convince TB to look at localhost as a valid server?
[17:53] <xangua> chrislsp: using a lot of flash players will make none of them work
[17:53] <tobe_> schnuffle: what should i do?
[17:54] <schnuffle> catcher: first you need an imap server
[17:54] <rhizmoe> ugh. what's a decent low-end graphics card for 12.04?
[17:54] <OerHeks> zamba, there is a way for getting old updates, but it is not supported >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Requirements
[17:54] <tobe_> schnuffle: or where should i look for a solution?
[17:54] <veryhappy> schnuffle: do you have any suggestions for me?
[17:54] <schnuffle> tobe_: don't know, either yor sticks are broken or something else
[17:54] <catcher> schnuffle, gotcha - which is easiest to set up in ubuntu?
[17:54] <chrislsp> xangua I have no clue anout where I stand right now after so many tries
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> chrislsp: http://pastie.org/4039316
[17:55] <llutz> catcher: create a new account in tb, mbox-type and point it to /var/mail/username    or whereever your postfix stores the mails to
[17:55] <tobe_> schnuffle: let me browse around the forums. thanks
[17:55] <schnuffle> veryhappy:  no booting? hm
[17:55] <rhizmoe> if my machine stutters when changing the volume, is more likely to be cpu or graphics?
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> chrislsp: you have more than one flash plugin installed which causes issues
[17:55] <veryhappy> schnuffle: sorry, it doesn't has to do with booting
[17:55] <schnuffle> veryhappy: what was your problem again? :)
[17:55] <chrislsp> ActionParsnip let me try this
[17:56] <xangua> chrislsp: sudo apt-get purge browser-plugin-gnash gnash   ; that if you want the adobe plugin wich will work on all sites that use flash conent
[17:56] <veryhappy> schnuffle: not so bad, we are all human ;) i had the problem with workbench and libmysqlclient16 (i looked in /etc/apt/sources.lst and it was activated)
[17:56] <angs> is it possible to see the domain name that my network has?
[17:56] <veryhappy> schnuffle: universe was activated i mean
[17:57] <schnuffle> catcher: I would use dovecot. But setup is not that easy because you need to integrate postfix and dovecot. I would sys it easy but depends on your knowledge
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> angs: try: dnsdomainname    maybe
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> angs: or:  hostname -d
[17:58] <chrislsp> ActionParsnip nothing
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> chrislsp: did you install adobe-flashplugin?
[17:59] <chrislsp> ActionParsnip ?
[17:59] <catcher> schnuffle, I really only need to test 1 email, is there any other way to get it out to a non-textbased client?
[17:59] <angs> ActionParsnip: Thank you, but they did not show any output
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> chrislsp: reread the paste. read it ALL
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> angs: gah
[17:59] <catcher> llutz, what is mbox-type?
[17:59] <schnuffle> catcher:  jst wrap the mail and show it through a webpage
[17:59] <chrislsp> ActionParsnip how to enable the partner repo and install adobe-flashplugin?
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> angs: try: hostname --fqdn
[17:59] <ckop64> Hi. Just recently I made a Fedora17 liveUSB. I booted into it, and the resolution was 1024x768 and i experienced screen flickering. I rebooted into my default Ubuntu 12.04 installation, and the problem still persisted. It worked fine before
[18:00] <ckop64> does anyone have a clue?
[18:00] <llutz> catcher: mbox is a format to store mails (mdir is another). just import your mbox-file into tb and read the mail. howtos in the www
[18:01] <howard> #puppy
[18:01] <howard> bye
[18:02] <schnuffle> howard:  /join #puppy
[18:02] <ckop64> I have a Xorg.0.log here
[18:02] <ckop64> http://pastebin.com/seL5KQSz
[18:03] <angs> ActionParsnip: I read the hostname, hostname -d should be the correct usage as you said in the first place. but it does not output anything. I guess my network has problematic
[18:03] <catcher> thanks schnuffle & llutz
[18:04] <veryhappy> schnuffle: ?
[18:04] <veryhappy> schnuffle: what would you do to install libmysqlclient16?
[18:05] <Meet> if i have shared a folder with unlimited access to anyone, will any pc be able to see the contents?
[18:05] <rymate1234> so
[18:05] <rymate1234> just installed chrome
[18:05] <rymate1234> why doesn't it show up in the unity sidebar thing?
[18:06] <rymate1234> I have the window open
[18:06] <rymate1234> but unity refuses to acknowledge the existance of the open window
[18:06] <keefer> hi
[18:06] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: try logging off then on
[18:06] <Seryth_> Hey. I have a bit of a problem with apt at the moment; since updating to 12.04 this morning I've only been able  to install/remove/update/etc when I'm root; just running "sudo apt-get update" or whatever doesn't work, I have to be in a root shell first....any ideas?
[18:06] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: or press ALT+F2 and run:  R
[18:07] <veryhappy> keefer: hi, how can we help you?
[18:07] <rymate1234> done "R"
[18:07] <EbubekirK> Hey, anyone know whats the best laptop for ubuntu  os or linux ??
[18:07] <EbubekirK> or advices ??
[18:07] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: try logging off and on is all I can suggest then, should be ok
[18:07] <ActionParsnip> EbubekirK: there is no outright best, there are options
[18:07] <rymate1234> I need to reboot in a minute to install updates
[18:08] <rymate1234> Just reinstalled ubuntu after trying linux mint
[18:08] <keefer> i compared a list of 'linux companies' but found that dell pc were cheaper with same specs - you can just throw away the windows it comes with
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> EbubekirK: System76 pre-install Ubuntu, could be a good start to look at
[18:08] <veryhappy> EbubekirK: there are no real best laptops, you just should know what you want to do and then look what you need for a notebook
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: convenient :)
[18:09] <rymate1234> Its a good thing my /home is on a seperate partition
[18:09] <rymate1234> makes reinstalling much easier
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: backups also help
[18:09] <catcher> llutz, worked like a charm, ty
[18:09] <rymate1234> heh
[18:10] <rymate1234> I have no external backup media
[18:10] <rymate1234> :D
[18:10] <tobe_> i found this error in the launchpad site --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/735466 how do i "fix" my kernel???
[18:10] <chrislsp> ActionParsnip I enabled what you said and also did sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin and I get the hue thing
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: if your data is important to you, i suggest a backup regime
[18:10] <llutz> catcher: easier than to setup a pop/imap-server just for test-purposes
[18:10] <docmur> if people can see this http://imageshack.us/f/835/selection002e.png/  do I have those set correctly?  There my DNS records
[18:11] <ActionParsnip> chrislsp: http://askubuntu.com/questions/117127/flash-video-appears-blue
[18:11] <EbubekirK> system 76 send laptop turkey =
[18:11] <EbubekirK> im from turkey ?
[18:11] <catcher> llutz, definitely. It seems I need to re-import the mbox file each time, or can it refresh?
[18:11] <K4k> Has anyone here had success mounting an ironkey in 12.04? I've got the read-only partition mounted without any issue but I'm unable to launch the unlocker.
[18:11] <ActionParsnip> EbubekirK: maybe there is a local stockist of linux preinstalled laptops
[18:11] <danieltree> I installed a program in /usr/local/bin/ where should I link it to be seen in dash when I search for it ?
[18:12] <llutz> catcher: iirc there is a mbox-plugin for thunderbird allowing it to use mbox like any other mail-server, not sure
[18:14] <ActionParsnip> danieltree: you need a .desktop for it in /usr/share/applications
[18:14] <ActionParsnip> danieltree: I suggest copying one from ~/.config/autostart as they are simple
[18:14] <xangua> danieltree: you could just drag the bin to the launcher
[18:14] <llutz> catcher: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1718795
[18:15] <danieltree> xangua, to lock it to the bar ?
[18:15] <xangua> danieltree: yes
[18:16] <llutz> catcher: since they seem to have taken that option from the TB-GUI, you also want to read http://www.thelinuxblog.com/thunderbird-localmail-spool/
[18:16] <catcher> llutz, excellent, thanks again
[18:16] <veryhappy> where is schnuffle?
[18:18] <Devilz> Hi everyone. I want to create a proxy for my wifi router using squid through which i want to allow ppl with given unique ids and passwords only and noone else. Can anyone tell me how can i do that??
[18:19] <farkerhaiku> yo, I had a problem yesterday where I couldn't figure out how long a user has been logged in and I found my own solution via "who -a".  That said, there's a bug (870297) where lightdm doesn't update the users logged in correctly, so the solution doesn't work.  It looks like I can query the xserver directly for information regarding idle time via xprintidle, however I can't issue that command via a shell script (think cron).  Any ideas?
[18:21] <rymate1234> yay
[18:21] <B0g4r7> Hi guys.  How can I make the trackpad work better on my eee laptop in ubuntu 12.04?  If I clock too fast, it does not detect my click.
[18:21] <rymate1234> chrome now shows in unity
[18:21] <B0g4r7> click
[18:21] <rymate1234> thx
[18:22] <B0g4r7> I'd also like to enable multitouch scrolling.
[18:23] <tuxedo> where do i have a tutoral for ubuntu 12.04 ppc
[18:23] <rebe1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEgk1Hdze0 anyone knows what font was used in this screencast ?
[18:23] <B0g4r7> PPC huh?  oh my.
[18:23] <veryhappy> B0g4r7: you should anywhere have mouse options for setting up your mouse
[18:23] <B0g4r7> I just bought a new laptop to get away from PPC land.
[18:24] <robocop> hello
[18:25] <B0g4r7> Should maybe, but I'm not finding it.
[18:25] <mfilipe> hi! I have a Lucid install and I want upgrade to Precise. So, I open Update Manager in Lucid but it doesn't show the upgrade button. What is wrong?
[18:25] <mfilipe> I'm using brazilian portuguese localization
[18:26] <B0g4r7> System Tools/Preferences does not contain anything relating to a mouse or touchpad.
[18:26] <B0g4r7> Just "keyboard and Input Methods", which is all about keyboard layout.
[18:27] <wilee-nilee> mfilipe, this is a chat channel you need to try #ubuntu
[18:27] <xangua> mfilipe: you can upgrade to precice when 12.04.1 comes out or if you don't wanna wait try: update-manager -d
[18:27] <wilee-nilee> DOh sorry I missed the channel I was actually on
[18:27] <MonkeyDust> !upgrade| mfilipe
[18:27] <physicsftw> hey guys, I have an issue. I tried to upgrade the video drivers in the latest version of ubuntu and now it just boots to a black screen. I'm booted to a live cd right now. Is there any way to restore my video drivers or whatever from the live cd?
[18:27] <pseudo> Hi guys - As I understand it, ubuntu can be setup to use SELinux as well as kvm/libvirt - My question is, how easy is it to use sVirt on ubuntu?
[18:28] <Berto> Hi - I'm in dependency hell on 12.04 64-bit trying to get Skype installed.  Too big of an error to paste.  What do i turn to?
[18:28] <robocop> turn to oprah
[18:28] <fidel> !paste > Berto
[18:28] <MonkeyDust> Berto  i have skype in 12.04 64 bit, works fine
[18:29] <B0g4r7> Looks like 12.04 does not install Synaptic by default.
[18:29] <Berto> thanks guys.  I'll do a paste, i think i saw the error dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtcore4_4%3a4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb (--unpack):  conffile './etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf' is not in sync with other instances
[18:30] <MonkeyDust> B0g4r7  idd, to save space to make the system fit on 1 cd
[18:30] <B0g4r7> for some reason
[18:30] <B0g4r7> bah.
[18:30] <B0g4r7> This laptop doesn't even have a CD drive.
[18:30] <CookieM> B0g4r7 word!
[18:31] <B0g4r7> For some reason the "dvd release" was not available via torrent.
[18:31] <alanis> How can I fix this issue? E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:32] <alanis> I can't do sudo apt-get update -f or sudo apt-get upgrade -f due to that msg
[18:32] <fireballs_> alanis did you try relogging into your computer
[18:32] <B0g4r7> Rebooting is the easiest fix, alanis.
[18:32] <MonkeyDust> alanis  make sure synaptic is closed
[18:32] <alanis> tried, rebooting, relogging
[18:32] <fidel> alanis: basically - answer the question of the error output
[18:32] <alanis> what?
[18:32] <B0g4r7> Yeah, close Synaptic, Software Center, Update manager, etc.
[18:33] <fidel> check if there is a running dpkg process or if some kind of apt-gui is doing soe updates and therefore causing the lock message
[18:33] <alanis> ok I can't because I don't know hoe to, I'm not running any of thT
[18:33] <alanis> *THAT
[18:33] <B0g4r7> Weird it's still locked after a reboot.
[18:33] <B0g4r7> Maybe a stale lock?
[18:33] <alanis> sorry, caps
[18:34] <trism> Berto: bug 918765 suggests that: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libqtcore4; make work around the issue
[18:34] <alanis> it was not locked when I rebooted but then it said to do this E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[18:34] <alanis> then I did that and the other error started to appear
[18:34] <Berto> trism, yeah, i just did a purge and that helped.  Thanks!!!
[18:35] <B0g4r7> What said to do that?
[18:35] <alanis> terminal
[18:35] <linux> Could someone help me to figure how to host a hp laserjet printer after download hplip please?
[18:35] <Berto> trism, then made sure the file was gone, and reinstalled everything.  That one file threw off like 200 packages :)
[18:35] <veryhappy> please you guys help me, i need to get workbench running under ubuntu but i always get an error message like "missing depency libmysqlclient16"
[18:35] <B0g4r7> You know what I mean, right?
[18:35] <veryhappy> what can i do now?
[18:35] <alanis> How can I kill the process blocking the updates
[18:36] <veryhappy> kill -9 id
[18:36] <jagginess> aladilas, well you shouldnt kill something that can kill X
[18:36] <B0g4r7> alanis, I suppose you can use 'sudi lsof', and grep that list to see what, if anything, has that open.
[18:36] <B0g4r7> sudo I mean
[18:36] <ubuntu_> I'm booted from live cd, how can I edit the xorg.conf file that is owned by root under my origianl ubuntu install?
[18:36] <jagginess> ubuntu_, gksudo gedit /pathto/file
[18:37] <nannes> are there Catalyst12.4 drivers In Precise's repos ?
[18:37] <jagginess> ubuntu_, didn u ask this before?
[18:37] <alanis> B0g4r7, I'm new to this, what is Grep
[18:37] <ubuntu_> I got disconnected. I'm sorry. Thanks.
[18:37] <veryhappy> alanis: grep is something like a searchprogram for terms
[18:37] <Devilz> Hi everyone. I want to create a proxy for my wifi router using squid through which i want to allow ppl with given unique ids and passwords only and noone else. Can anyone tell me how can i do that??
[18:37] <jagginess> ubuntu_, i mean the other day, you asked this
[18:37] <B0g4r7> It just filters output to look for a specific string.  run 'man grep' if you're interested in details.
[18:37] <ubuntu_> oh no, first time connecting :)
[18:37] <veryhappy> !grep
[18:38] <ubuntu_> botched ubuntu install
[18:38] <alanis> B0g4r7, ok I just got a huge list
[18:38] <B0g4r7> Yeah, so you'll wanna look through that list for /var/lib/dpkg
[18:39] <B0g4r7> you can 'sudo lsof | grep dpkg' to pare it down some
[18:39] <ufrgs> How do I share a printer on Linux to be used on a Windows machine ?
[18:39] <veryhappy> ufrgs: take samba
[18:39] <ubuntu_> ah nautilus worked :)
[18:40] <alanis> B0g4r7, I got this msg lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/alanis/.gvfs
[18:40] <alanis>       Output information may be incomplete.
[18:40] <jagginess> ufrgs, you use cups
[18:40] <jagginess> !cups
[18:40] <B0g4r7> That's OK.
[18:40] <llutz> ufrgs: make cups accessible from LAN and add your printer to windows (http://yourlinuxmachine:631/printers/PRINTERNAME    no need for samba at all
[18:40] <B0g4r7> No other output?
[18:41] <alanis> no
[18:41] <B0g4r7> Maybe it is a stale lock then.
[18:41] <alanis> so what should I do
[18:42] <ronald_> join #abc
[18:42] <ronald_> join #abc
[18:42] <FloodBot1> ronald_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:42] <ufrgs> It's a HP Color LaserJet, would it work with Samba or Cups? I already installed hplibopensource drivers.
[18:42] <ronald_> join #tttt
[18:42] <aleminio> how can i create a shortcut to an executable shell file? so i could run it directly from my desktop instead of using the terminal
[18:42] <J11> What's the best way to update from an older version? Incremental updates or a fresh install?
[18:43] <B0g4r7> Good question.  I'd be tempted to just delete the lockfile, but I'm not sure that's the right answer.
[18:43] <B0g4r7> Maybe google a bit for "fix stale dpkg lock" or similar.
[18:43] <alanis> ok thanks
[18:43] <Ca11umD> Hi, I'm trying to set the display resolution for this laptop, using the xrandr command, but I don't know what value to specify for --output
[18:43] <Ca11umD> It's a Rock laptop
[18:44] <llutz> ufrgs: windows can print using IPP so no samba needed
[18:44] <ufrgs> llutz, what is IPP?
[18:45] <schultza> can you use empathy for steam chat yet?
[18:45] <majuscule> Ca11umD: check `xrandr -q`
[18:45] <llutz> ufrgs: Internet Printing Protocol
[18:45] <Pici> schultza: no, the steam chat protocol is closed, and last I checked, had not been reverse engineered.
[18:45] <Ca11umD> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1280 x 720, maximum 1280 x 768
[18:45] <schultza> ok. thanks
[18:45] <Ca11umD> (New line after default)
[18:46] <J11> My parents use my old desktop computer, but that motherboard recently gave out, so they switch back to an older laptop, but not long after the hard drive gave out. So I put a HDD from an even older laptop in that one. It runs Intrepid...
[18:47] <J11> I don't look forward of dist upgrading it seven times
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> J11  fresh install is the fastest and easiest way, especially if you have a separate /home partition
[18:49] <jrib> J11: I → J → K → L → P
[18:49] <jrib> J11: but yes I would just do a fresh install if I were in your shoes
[18:49] <s00p3rg33n00s> cannot execute binary file
[18:49] <s00p3rg33n00s> cannot execute binary file
[18:49] <jrib> s00p3rg33n00s: give context...
[18:49] <ufrgs> llutz, yes, but I've tryed to use "hp:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215?serial=MH004QL" but haven't worked.
[18:50] <s00p3rg33n00s> wat
[18:50] <llutz> ufrgs: your printer does work locally?
[18:50] <s00p3rg33n00s> jrib, wut
[18:50] <LoboX> schnuffle ot it working bro
[18:50] <ufrgs> llutz, locally yes. You mean from Linux it's working already.
[18:50] <MonkeyDust> !details| s00p3rg33n00s
[18:50] <LoboX> is paging
[18:50] <jrib> s00p3rg33n00s: that's what I'm saying to you: "wut"
[18:50] <LoboX> >:D
[18:50] <s00p3rg33n00s> ah
[18:51] <s00p3rg33n00s> Well
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> s00p3rg33n00s  in 1 line
[18:51] <LoboX> Paging and Intercom
[18:51] <jrib> s00p3rg33n00s: on one line please
[18:51] <s00p3rg33n00s> That's basically all you need to know.
[18:51] <ufrgs> llutz, what do you mean with locally?
[18:51] <llutz> ufrgs:so make cups accessible from LAN (go to http://localhost:631 and change setting) and then add your printer to windows using http://yourlinuxmachine:631/printers/PRINTERNAME    as path
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> s00p3rg33n00s  the more we know, the better and faster we can help you
[18:51] <jrib> s00p3rg33n00s: well certainly you are trying to do something and are executing a file to try to do it.  You should say what you are trying to do and exactly what you are trying to execute
[18:52] <s00p3rg33n00s> Ubuntu 12. Trying to execute a single executable. Always returns "cannot execute binary file".
[18:52] <jrib> s00p3rg33n00s: you're still being vague.  Good luck.
[18:52] <J11> I might consider that, I don't think the home partition is a seperate partition though, but I might use my precise live cd for that, although last time I used it it didn't had an easy way to start up a terminal
[18:52] <s00p3rg33n00s> wat
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> s00p3rg33n00s  an .exe executable in wine? a .sh file? what?
[18:53] <s00p3rg33n00s> Well, what else do you need to know?
[18:53] <s00p3rg33n00s> .exe
[18:53] <chosendescent> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu 12.04 on my Netbook unfortunately the audio works properly while playing on the speakers and stops playing when I plug a 3.5mm jack headphone set in.
[18:53] <jrib> s00p3rg33n00s: well certainly you are trying to do something and are executing a file to try to do it.  You should say what you are trying to do and exactly what you are trying to execute
[18:53] <s00p3rg33n00s> It's supposedly a C++ game.
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> s00p3rg33n00s  better ask in #wine, then
[18:54] <s00p3rg33n00s> No, not-- wait. I bet it is a windows program.
[18:54] <s00p3rg33n00s> Thanks!
[18:54] <xangua> s00p3rg33n00s: so you're using wine¿ did you install that game on the wince virtual C directory¿
[18:54] <chosendescent> I believe I have audio hardware installation problems can someone please help?
[18:56] <chosendescent> I would really appreciate some help please.....
[18:56] <Squid_Tamer> What's wrong? Does the sound not work at all?
[18:57] <MonkeyDust> chosendescent  start with asking a question
[18:58] <chosendescent__> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu 12.04 on my Netbook unfortunately the audio works properly while playing on the speakers and stops playing when I plug a 3.5mm jack headphone set in.
[18:59] <Squid_Tamer> chosendescent__: Stupid question, but are you sure that the headphones work for any other device?
[18:59] <Squid_Tamer> And does it resume working on the speakers when you unplug them?
[18:59] <chosendescent__> yes and yes
[19:00] <ufrgs> llutz, how do I figure YOURLINUXMACHINE from http://yourlinuxmachine:631/printers/PRINTERNAME ?
[19:00] <CookieM> are you sure you put the headphone set in right slot?
[19:00] <llutz> ufrgs: thats the hostname or IP of your linuxmachine
[19:01] <llutz> ufrgs: the one with the printer attached
[19:01] <eppe10> ciao
[19:02] <eppe10> !list
[19:02] <llutz> ufrgs: and PRINTERNAME is the printers name as shown in cups on that machine
[19:02] <chosendescent_> Well Im pretty stoned but not that stoned its in the right slot
[19:03] <u4ia74> Hi all.  I am using Xubuntu Precise on my laptop.  I have it wired to my ethernet  via twisted pair, and I'd like to make the laptop into an access point.  I'm not super familiar with linux, I'm still learning... but does anyone know of any software that can help me setup my laptop as an access point, that will allow things like distributing bandwidth among various connections to the access point. etc...
[19:03] <B0g4r7> u4ia, I would recommend you look at a dedicated router for this task, and run dd-wrt on it.  It's made to do just that.
[19:03] <chosendescent_> LAME I wish my headphone jack worked :(
[19:04] <u4ia74> lol You would think a computer would be able to handle the task...
[19:04] <B0g4r7> I'm pretty happy with my asus r13/u running dd-wrt.
[19:05] <B0g4r7> Well, you may get it to work, but it will probably take a good but of effort.
[19:05] <u4ia74> The laptop serves a few purposes. No work arounds
[19:05] <B0g4r7> There used to be software called "hostap" that would do that, on some supported chipsets.
[19:05] <chosendescent_> Im going to make it work because I no the hardware works fine and it just need drivers
[19:05] <jussi> B0g4r7: Im not sure about the bandwidth distribution and so on, but the access point is easy, just go to the network settings and click wireless, then use as hotspot
[19:06] <llutz> u4ia74: look at the hostapd website/documentation and check if it supports your wifi-chipset
[19:06] <u4ia74> Thank you llutz, I'll take a look.
[19:07] <sqrbrkt_> hi all, I'm running ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I've noticed that some applications (including XChat) don't appear in the application switcher. If I switch to desktop I effectively lose any way to retrieve the application window. Can anyone suggest either how to get the app to show in switcher, or how to restore a minimised app without using switcher?
[19:07] <sqrbrkt_> ...long question
[19:09] <toafan_> sqrbrkt_: I use compiz's ring switcher.  that'd work
[19:09] <toafan_> sqrbrkt_: try hiting super-w or super-e to expose windows
[19:12] <sqrbrkt_> toafan: super-w should do it, thanks! Didn't know about that shortcut
[19:13] <toafan_> sqrbrkt_: there's a couple of those
[19:14] <sqrbrkt_> toafan: handy :)
[19:14] <toafan_> sqrbrkt_: super-w is windows on all workspaces, and super-e is windows on the current workspace iirc
[19:15] <toafan_> sqrbrkt_: compiz config lets you set them, if you want them different
[19:15] <sqrbrkt_> toafan: nice, thanks for your help
[19:15] <ufrgs> llutz, cups serves for managing a linux printer server, right?
[19:15] <wilhart> where was the mint channel
[19:15] <llutz> ufrgs: yes
[19:16] <Qasaur> oh god guys
[19:16] <ufrgs> llutz, ok, but what I am looking forward is a way to send jobs from a Windows machine to a Linux host, do you know.
[19:16] <Qasaur> I accidently overwrote my private key
[19:16] <Qasaur> with the passwords and keys tool
[19:16] <Qasaur> is there any way to retreieve it?
[19:17] <Qasaur> retrieve*
[19:17] <ufrgs> llutz, I need to share the printer in linux and use it on Windows machines.
[19:17] <ypg> is there a backup
[19:17] <Qasaur> no :(
[19:17] <ypg> ending in ~
[19:17] <ypg> bummer :(
[19:17] <Qasaur> well what do you mean
[19:17] <Qasaur> by backup
[19:17] <Qasaur> It was on my USB
[19:17] <Qasaur> the keypair
[19:17] <llutz> ufrgs: yes and i told you how. windows is able to print to your linux-cups-printer
[19:17] <Qasaur> and now I can't revoke the key since I don't have the private one
[19:17] <ypg> are there any other copies of that file, in any location
[19:17] <Qasaur> there has to be a way right?
[19:17] <FloodBot1> Qasaur: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:18] <llutz> ufrgs: your linux-machine acts as a printserver, not restricted to linux.
[19:18] <ufrgs> llutz, could you assist me to set the windows side of this operation plese?
[19:18] <Qasaur> ypg: Nope :(
[19:18] <llutz> ufrgs: have you enabled "allow printing from internet" and "sharing printers" in cups on your linux-machine?
[19:18] <Qasaur> And now I can't figure out a way to revoke it
[19:19] <ufrgs> llutz, not sure, let me check.
[19:19] <ufrgs> llutz, yes
[19:20] <llutz> ufrgs: sudo service cups restart
[19:20] <Qasaur> that key that I overwrote expires august 2014
[19:20] <Qasaur> is it better that I just ignore the fact that the key is deployed to numerous key servers and generate a new one instead?
[19:21] <ufrgs> llutz, ok, made
[19:21] <physicsftw> I'm trying to completely uninstall the ati fglrx driver. Does anyone know how I can do this
[19:21] <llutz> ufrgs: then in windows, add a network-printer, and use      http://yourlinuxmachine:631/printers/PRINTERNAME   as printerqueue (replace machine/printername)
[19:22] <ilian> Hi, I am trying to change the number of workspaces in Ubuntu 12.04, I changed it via the gconf-editor but no effect, what else should I do?
[19:22] <eppe10> ciao
[19:22] <ufrgs> llutz, ok, doing it.
[19:23] <eppe10> film
[19:23] <sarsaeol> tenchii:  you there? you PM'd me
[19:26] <Garridon> Hey guys, do you think i could get a little help?
[19:27] <OerHeks> Just ask, Garridon and see
[19:27] <Jonii> Are there anything to the effect of desktop widgets for Ubuntu 12.4 running Unity?
[19:28] <angana> hi...
[19:28] <bubbly> I also have a problem with xdm on my ubuntu server
[19:28] <angana> my download mananger wrongly erased
[19:28] <angana> how can i get it back
[19:29] <Garridon> im new to ubuntu, i installed ubuntu on a seperate partition just to try it out. (ubuntu 12.04) now i cant boot back into windows 7. no error, it just sits on the "starting windows" screen
[19:30] <vekexasia> Hello All, can someone suggest me a good graphical tool for system status monitoring?  (Cpu, Ram, Temperature ecc? ) I'm currently using ubuntu 12.04 tls x64 using Gnome as UI.
[19:30] <bubbly> X starts, but xdm goes black.  My keyboard also fails at the "start" of xdm.
[19:30] <angana> i am getting error like
[19:30] <OerHeks> Garridon, best way to resolve those problems is booting your windows dvd to fix problems, it will brak grub2 so you have to reinstall that again after fixing windows7
[19:31] <angana> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[19:31] <angana> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_precise_non-free_binary-i386_Packages
[19:31] <angana> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[19:31] <angana> what is this..
[19:31] <Garridon> it didnt come with one, i had to make my own with acer recovery tool. so use that?
[19:32] <angana> can anybody help me..
[19:32] <OerHeks> Garridon, i assume you tried booting in sinwos safe mode
[19:32] <OerHeks> c/windows
[19:32] <chuck__> I updated my kernel with Ubuntu, rebooted, and now I don't have any audio devices. They show up in lsusb, lspci, and 'cat /proc/asound/cards'
[19:32] <OerHeks> Garridon, no, recovery deletes all your files as it came from factory
[19:33] <Cider> hi OerHeks
[19:33] <angana> how can i reinstall update manager?
[19:33] <angana> can anybody help me..
[19:33] <Garridon> doesnt give me the option to, just "windows cant boot, start up recovery or start normally" menu
[19:33] <Garridon> yea i know
[19:33] <vekexasia> 'm farting
[19:33] <chuck__> I tried reinstalling alsa-utils, linux-sound-base, and alsa-base
[19:33] <chuck__> alsamixer says:
[19:33] <chuck__> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[19:34] <mister2> hey, can you have different mouse preferences for usb and touchpad?
[19:35] <angana> hi..team..
[19:35] <gops> hi
[19:35] <bubbly> XDM fails with just a black screen, my usb logitech keyboard stops working after it starts. anyone know how to fix it?
[19:35] <gops> one quick doubt
[19:36] <gops> how to stream a video instead of webcam
[19:36] <bubbly> *after XDM starts
[19:36] <gops> any body there to help me
[19:36] <elijah> Does anyone know when Chromium 19 will be in the Ubuntu repo?
[19:37] <u4ia74> gops: you want to use your video camera to broadcast video to someone else, or to many people?
[19:37] <Qasaur> hey guys
[19:38] <Qasaur> I lost my private key
[19:38] <Qasaur> on my USB
[19:38] <Qasaur> but
[19:38] <bubbly> I cant even log in to a different tty and reinstall xdm,
[19:38] <Qasaur> There is a file here called auth.asc
[19:38] <Qasaur> does this mean anything? Like a revocation cert
[19:40] <bubbly> anyone know anything about fixing XDM (X Display Manager)
[19:40] <reisio> bubbly: not without knowing how it's not working
[19:41] <chuck__> http://askubuntu.com/questions/143778/ubuntu-12-04-kernel-3-2-0-24-do-not-sound
[19:41] <Etale> Hi guys. I've been having really spotty Wi-Fi reception with my laptop at the office. It's a dual boot, and with windows it's always a-okay. It takes about 20 minutes to connect, and then it disconnects after a minute or two. I tried various things like turning off the power management ("iwconfig wlan0 power off") and changing the retries to 16, and changing the frag to 500. Nothing is very effective...
[19:41] <bubbly> X starts, then all i get is a black screen with no USB keyboard. how does a DM kill a keyboard
[19:41] <Etale> The Wi-Fi at work is WPA2 with password.
[19:42] <Etale> Anybody know what I should use/what I should do? (For  example, if there's a nice program that automatically figures out the best wifi sensitivity parameters that I should use, or whether there are recommended iwconfig parameters to put in in that situation...
[19:43] <reisio> Etale: what wireless device is it?
[19:43] <nino> hi
[19:43] <nino> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:43] <Etale> Hmm... Let me check and I'll tell you in a second, reisio.
[19:43] <freedomrun_> ok now this is a problem .. I have double menus (global menu + application menu in application window) and it happens at random periods (whitout changing anything) and both menus have icons .. is there a way to disable icons in menus from command line, as non of tweak utilities can change that as in all under "Menus have icons" it says "OFF" for that option. So they aren`t put ON by no utility. Can somebody help?
[19:44] <Cider> does anyone have a seed box here?
[19:44] <zykotick9> bubbly: xdm, really.  how retro ;)
[19:45] <Etale> Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 AGN, reisio.
[19:45] <Etale> nino, a Jerry Seinfeld impression of a belly button?
[19:45] <ching> jvjv
[19:45] <ching> utdcchfgc
[19:45] <nino> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:45] <nino> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:46] <ching> vjkvjgv
[19:46] <nino> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:46] <ching> vjhvbbv
[19:46] <FloodBot1> nino: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:46] <FloodBot1> ching: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:46] <ching> ighjkbjhb
[19:46] <ching> cvnvnbh
[19:46] <ching> jvv
[19:46] <ching> yo hago lo que quiero
[19:46] <ching> bjl,bl
[19:46] <ching> jblkbljbjlbl
[19:46] <ching> jlnjlnljnljknlkjn
[19:46] <ching> +
[19:46] <ching> j
[19:46] <ching> j
[19:46] <FloodBot1> ching: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:47] <agoodm> hi, could someone please enlighten me on the correct way to configure my laptop for finger print login in 12.04?
[19:47] <ching> jjkihjikjiljlhjlknhkjlnln jlnbkhbjvfchgrdtfyjuh
[19:47] <Etale> What's with the annoying people today?
[19:47] <ching> bvgvgjvjgv
[19:47] <ching> gvjhvhvjhb
[19:47] <ching> kgjhgvjhgjhgb
[19:47] <ching> jvjvjvjm
[19:47] <reisio> Etale: that's PCI?
[19:47] <FloodBot1> ching: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:47] <ching> kvkhvbkjlbljb
[19:47] <ching> +çnjlkvndb
[19:47] <xangua> !ops | nino ching he's been flooding for severald days ignoring the warnings
[19:47] <agoodm> wtf
[19:48] <Etale> reisio, I don't know what that means. Here are the details I know about the computer: 	Processor	
[19:48] <Etale>  
[19:48] <Etale> Intel Core i5-2450M Processor (3M Cache, 2.50GHz)
[19:48] <Etale>  
[19:48] <Etale> Operating system		Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit)
[19:48] <Etale>  
[19:48] <FloodBot1> Etale: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:48]  * reisio shakes head
[19:48] <freedomrun_> thnx to bot, should I repead my question now?
[19:48] <reisio> Etale: would you pastebinit the output of lspci -n
[19:49] <Edgan> What is the official answer on lack of /sbin and /usr/sbin in a regular user's PATH in Precise?
[19:49] <freedomrun_> ok now this is a problem .. I have double menus (global menu + application menu in application window) and it happens at random periods (whitout changing anything) and both menus have icons .. is there a way to disable icons in menus from command line, as non of tweak utilities can change that as in all under "Menus have icons" it says "OFF" for that option. So they aren`t put ON by no utility. Can somebody help?
[19:49] <smith_> After successfullt mounting my encrypted lvm in a livecd session, I want to open my encypted HOME dir, but  there is no .private file... and ecryptfs-recover-private does not find anything... where do I find this file?
[19:49] <agoodm> should I repeat my question now the mayhem has died down?
[19:50] <Etale> reisio, I would but for some reason xterm won't let me copy...
[19:50] <Etale> I can't write it here slowly...
[19:50] <Etale> *can
[19:50] <smith_> anyone an idea? I just cant get into the home dir... and no file to decrypt it
[19:50] <reisio> Etale: you don't need to copy if you install 'pastebinit'
[19:51] <Etale> What's that?
[19:51] <Seveas> Edgan, that you're messing with the PATH yourself as that's not the default
[19:51] <zykotick9> Edgan: ubuntu's upstream doesn't have /sbin or /usr/sbin in PATH either... just guessing they decided to not change it (like the admin/sudo change)
[19:51] <reisio> Etale: however, with xterm you'd select the text with the mouse, then middle click at a pastebin site, like http://dpaste.com/
[19:52] <agoodm> ok let me rephrase my question, I dont think I can use my finger print to log in due to having an encrypted /home partition.  is there a work around?
[19:52] <Etale> Okay, I have it. Now how do I paste it here without the bot telling me I'm flooding?
[19:52] <Edgan> Seveas: It is the default.
[19:52] <Seveas> Etale, paste it on pastebin.com
[19:52] <agoodm> pastebin.com
[19:52] <Exio> Etale: using pastebin.com
[19:53] <Edgan> zykotick9: yes, but it breaks sudo apt-get install
[19:53] <Etale> http://pastebin.com/WqnrVwV4
[19:53] <zykotick9> Edgan: i'm guessing YOU did something, is "sudo apt-get..." doesn't work.
[19:53] <Seveas> Edgan, apt-get is in /usr/bin
[19:53] <Edgan> zykotick9: Seveas yes, but it depends on dpkg
[19:54] <zykotick9> Edgan: i think if apt-get/dpkg was broken by default - more people would have the issue...
[19:54] <Edgan> zykotick9: I have found bug reports filed by other people
[19:54] <llutz> Edgan: which also is in /usr/bin
[19:55] <Edgan> llutz: let me show you the error
[19:55] <Etale> reisio?
[19:58] <diverdude> whats a good mailserver w. spamfilter for ubuntu?
[19:58] <Seveas> dennis@lightning:~$ grep PATH /etc/environment
[19:58] <Seveas> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[19:58] <Seveas> that's on a default install
[19:58] <Seveas> diverdude, postfix or exim as mailserver, spamassassin for spamfiltering
[19:58] <reisio> Etale: you're using iwlwifi? (lsmod | grep -i iwlwifi)
[19:58] <diverdude> Seveas: which is easier to setup?
[19:58] <LjL> Seveas: someone else earlier was having this issue where after upgrading to Precise, his PATH would lack sbin and friends, so apt-get would not work
[19:58] <smith_> hi, After successfullt mounting my encrypted lvm in ubuntu in a livecd session, I want to open my encypted HOME dir, but  there is no .private file... and ecryptfs-recover-private does not find anything... anyone can help me?
[19:58] <Seveas> diverdude, postfix is easier to get started with, exim and spamassassin integrate better and exim is more flexible
[19:58] <Etale> Maybe? http://pastebin.com/yRfBU994
[19:59] <Edgan> Seveas: zykotick9: http://pastebin.com/rsFWpPRb
[19:59] <llutz> diverdude: postfix is very well documented
[19:59] <diverdude> postfix does not integrate well with spamassasin?
[19:59] <Seveas> diverdude, well, you need amavis as glue. Exim talks to it directly
[19:59] <llutz> diverdude: no problems here
[20:00] <diverdude> hehe different answers
[20:00] <Seveas> I never said it didn't integrate well, it's just that exim does it better :-)
[20:00] <diverdude> who to belive..hmm
[20:00] <diverdude> aha
[20:00] <diverdude> you just said i need amavis as glue
[20:01] <Etale> reisio, what's up? If you need anything just let me know. I have some iwconfig outputs from when I was at the office, if you want.
[20:02] <Seveas> I like postfix for simple leaf-node (ust send out your local mail to the internet) configs, as that's almost trivial to do. For anything more complicated I prefer the flexibility of exim. It *is* less trivial to set up, but you'll appreciate it once it works :)
[20:02] <Seveas> I can share my configs if you're interested
[20:02] <freedomrun_> anyone know how to disable icons in menus?
[20:02] <reisio> Etale: you're using iwlwifi? (lsmod | grep -i iwlwifi)
[20:02] <Etale> I wrote this earlier: Maybe? http://pastebin.com/yRfBU994
[20:03] <reisio> Etale: okay
[20:03] <Etale> I'm not sure, but that's the output.
[20:03] <reisio> Etale: you're using which version of Ubuntu?
[20:03] <qurve> Anyone here familiar with using cloud-config? Specifically I'm trying to use it to configure rsyslog to monitor some log files so I can shoot them off to papertrail.
[20:03] <Etale> 12 point something...
[20:03] <reisio> 04
[20:03] <Etale> Right.
[20:03] <reisio> Etale: and you're using Unity?
[20:03] <Seveas> Etale, lsb_release -a tells you exactly which release :-)
[20:03] <Etale> I'm using xfce4.
[20:04] <reisio> Etale: are you using networkmanager?
[20:04] <Etale> 12.04 LTS
[20:04] <Etale> (Thanks, Seveas)
[20:05] <reisio> yes, thanks for taking us back several lines...
[20:06] <Etale> reisio, I'm not sure. It's on the bar, and in the task manager of xfce it appears as "Network Manager Applet".
[20:08] <fasta> How can I copy an audio cd without destroying a cd?
[20:08] <fasta> Because that's what k3b did... twice.
[20:09] <reisio> Etale: that'd be it
[20:09] <reisio> fasta: try not using k3b?
[20:09] <fasta> reisio: and now the constructive variant of that message?
[20:10] <reisio> fasta: for casual ripping, cdparanoia, for serious, rubyripper
[20:10] <JamesGeek1> Hello World!
[20:10] <reisio> hello
[20:10] <fasta> reisio: I don't want to rip. I want to copy.
[20:10] <llutz> fasta: "cdrdao copy"
[20:10] <reisio> fasta: to make a duplicate CD?
[20:10] <fasta> reisio: yes
[20:10] <danieltree> I want to make a PHP project using netbeans ..I need help setting up the right permissions since netbeans can't read /var/www ..or any other suggestions ?
[20:10] <reisio> fasta: try reducing write speed
[20:10] <Etale> reisio, so what's the conclusion?
[20:10] <reisio> fasta: if it doesn't work, reduce it more
[20:11] <fasta> reisio: that's not the problem; it's some permissions problem.
[20:11] <MonkeyDust> fasta  try devede
[20:11] <alankila> danieltree: a hack: chmod a+rwxt /var/www -- this is probably alright for a development box that you deal with yourself...
[20:11] <reisio> fasta: mmm, well if you already know the problem, you don't need us
[20:11] <fasta> Something like this: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/applications/22681-error-255-burning-k3b-whats-mean.html
[20:11] <reisio> Etale: dunno, you might search ubuntuforums for iwlwifi + problems
[20:11] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: devede does audo cds?
[20:11] <fasta> reisio: well, I don't know the problem exactly.
[20:11] <Etale> K...
[20:12] <fasta> reisio: if I did, I wouldn't have asked.
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> zykotick9  it's a bit a devil do all, lemme check
[20:12] <reisio> fasta: do you get this error?
[20:12] <fasta> reisio: yes, the 255 one.
[20:12] <reisio> you might have said that :p
[20:12] <danieltree> alankila, I tried setting up a different site in /etc/apache2/sites-available but I dont know what is the link to type in the browser to access it
[20:12] <reisio> fasta: now that we have that out of the way
[20:12] <reisio> fasta: try reducing write speed
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> devede does video only, must heve missed that part in the question
[20:13] <alankila> danieltree: doesn't make any sense, just hack it so that permissions on /var/www suffice for now... or set up userdir module and use $HOME/public_html
[20:13] <ems__> Hello together, I search for help setting up ffado mixer settings for a focusrite saffire 24 pro.  I made the mistake of changing some of the settings and I do not get it managed to repair it. Also I do not know how to get the midi to work.
[20:14] <assenga> how to use less command to read .pdf files
[20:14] <Etale> This thing: http://www.emmolution.org/?p=247 suggests to uninstall iwlwifi and install wicd instead. Does that seem reasonable to you, reisio?
[20:14] <danieltree> alankila, how can I setup to use $HOME/public_html ?
[20:14] <ems__> Can somebody help with this?
[20:14] <alankila> danieltree: just a2enmod userdir then ensure that www-data user can read your $HOME/public_html directory (make it first etc.)
[20:14] <alankila> oh and restart apache
[20:15] <reisio> Etale: nope
[20:15] <reisio> Etale: networkmanager to wicd, maybe
[20:15] <reisio> Etale: although that is grasping, but it could work
[20:15] <reisio> Etale: yes it says remove networkmanager, not iwlwifi :)
[20:15] <Etale> You're right.
[20:15] <reisio> Etale: worth a shot
[20:15] <Etale> Okay...
[20:16] <reisio> you can always undo it later
[20:16] <reisio> wicd is just an alternative to networkmanager
[20:16] <reisio> sometimes one works better than the other
[20:16] <fasta> Isn't there some command which always works and never creates a broken cd?
[20:17] <zykotick9> reisio: and "sometimes" one works, when the other doesn't.  ;)
[20:17] <Etale> How could the problem be with the manager. That seems weird to me. I thought the problem was that the parameters for iwconfig are not good. Like the sensitivity is off or something...
[20:17] <alankila> I got to admit, I wish there was better support for cisco vpn on ubuntu. I found vpnc module for network-manager but that's ugly userspace ipsec over tun0 and only supports single vpn at a time, and I have two I want to enable most of the time
[20:17] <fasta> I know brasero destroyed some cds as did k3b.
[20:17] <alankila> Wrote shell scripts to get racoon to connect instead last night
[20:17] <fasta> Is this because Ubuntu ships a broken version of the low-level tools?
[20:17] <fasta> That's what the author of these tools claims.
[20:17]  * alankila wonders if the competition has better ipsec support, network-manager is not quite there
[20:18] <danieltree> alankila, just to make sure . I want /home/daniel/public_html so I type sudo a2enmod userdir /home/daniel/public_html ?
[20:19] <alankila> no
[20:19] <alankila> userdir is going to enable the capability to access http://../~daniel/ and any other user
[20:19] <alankila> provided the public_html directory can be read by the web server
[20:19] <reisio> fasta: no, writing to optical media is always a crap shoot
[20:19] <reisio> fasta: especially if you try writing at 48 times speed
[20:20] <ferris> i need some help... not sure which direction I should go... I upgraded the from 10.10 to 11.04 then directly to 12.04... unfortunately I did not reboot between upgrades... DOH!... now I cannot get beyond "checking battery state" at boot... I have a 10.10 disc how can I either get back to 10.10 or get 12.04 to complete the installation? Also, I do not want to loose any of my settings... if possible.
[20:20] <fasta> reisio: why do they put on the box that it can do 48 times speed then?
[20:20] <reisio> fasta: so you'll buy it
[20:20] <reisio> it probably _can_ do it
[20:20] <reisio> with the right media
[20:20] <reisio> and the right software
[20:20] <reisio> at the right temperature
[20:20] <FloodBot1> reisio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:20] <reisio> every now and then
[20:20] <Silivrenion> so I have a computer that I just installed ubuntu on, however it seems to be having audio skipping/blips after some time being on or while the system is under load
[20:20] <reisio> FloodBot1: suck an egg
[20:20] <fasta> reisio: when the stars are aligned?
[20:21] <Silivrenion> I'm not really sure how to start looking at a fix?
[20:21] <alankila> but 48x write speed is close enough to the limit where the media will spontaneously break... there's a reason these drives never go faster than somewhere around that speed
[20:21] <fasta> reisio: so, which speed is 'safe'?
[20:21] <fasta> reisio: 1? ;)
[20:21] <reisio> fasta: 8, 4, 2, something low
[20:21] <reisio> depends on the drive
[20:21] <reisio> the lower the more reliable
[20:21] <Xeneth> How do I view what variables are already defined?  ($TIME, $DATE, ect)?
[20:22] <vBm> Is there a way to have skype video monitor always on top ?
[20:22] <reisio> Xeneth: env ?
[20:22] <ferris> i need some help... not sure which direction I should go... I upgraded the from 10.10 to 11.04 then directly to 12.04... unfortunately I did not reboot between upgrades... DOH!... now I cannot get beyond "checking battery state" at boot... I have a 10.10 disc how can I either get back to 10.10 or get 12.04 to complete the installation? Also, I do not want to loose any of my settings... if possible.
[20:22] <javery86> I'm selling 3 domains: seekit.net, seekit.org, and seekit.us if anyone is interested?
[20:22] <BakhkhaB> Xeneth: env ?
[20:22] <reisio> vBm: undoubtedly
[20:22] <jrib> javery86: not relevant to this channel
[20:22] <BakhkhaB> vBm: undoubtedly
[20:22] <alankila> ferris: you can try 'break=mount' kernel option via grub and then chroot /root /bin/bash to see if you get a root shell to try to fix things...
[20:22] <reisio> :D
[20:22] <BakhkhaB> :D
[20:22] <xangua> vBm: right clic in the window border, always on top
[20:22] <zykotick9> reisio: i remember when i worked for compaq - i went to a training that explained that lower-speed burns are actually inferior to higher speed burns (i don't remember why though).
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> javery86  wrong channel, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:22] <reisio> zykotick9: because it was nonsense
[20:22] <alankila> ferris: maybe you have some unconfigured packages, commands like 'apt-get -f install' and 'dpkg --configure -a' could be important
[20:23] <BakhkhaB> zykotick9: because it was nonsense
[20:23] <Xeneth> reisio; BakhkhaB:  thanks
[20:23] <reisio> zykotick9: maybe theoretically faster is better, in practice that's a load
[20:23] <vBm> xangua, heh ... silly me for not checking that first ... thanks man ... really appreciated ;)
[20:23] <BakhkhaB> zykotick9: maybe theoretically faster is better, in practice that's a load
[20:23] <reisio> o-kay...
[20:23] <zykotick9> BakhkhaB: stop with the echo
[20:23] <BakhkhaB> o-kay...
[20:23] <alankila> ferris: also the classic 'mount / -o remount,rw' if it says that your filesystem is mounted read-only
[20:24] <zykotick9> reisio: i haven't had a burn fail in years... used to be a big problem (darm buffer underruns ;)
[20:24] <Silivrenion> I applied the position fix mentioned on the ubuntu site, but the system is still having audio skipping :(
[20:24] <ferris> alankila, thanks I will try some of those suggestions
[20:24] <reisio> zykotick9: a fast one, you mean?
[20:24] <BakhkhaB> zykotick9: a fast one, you mean?
[20:24] <reisio> zykotick9: the media you buy and the specific drive and the software all matter
[20:24] <BakhkhaB> zykotick9: the media you buy and the specific drive and the software all matter
[20:24] <reisio> very welcome :)
[20:24] <danieltree> alankila, I might sound silly but this is the file I want to access from the browser/home/daniel/public_html/CerereCazare/index.php what should I type in the browser ? localhost/home/daniel/public_html/CerereCazare/index.php ?
[20:24] <zykotick9> Jordan_U: thanks
[20:25] <alankila> danieltree: http://localhost/~daniel/Cerezeetc/
[20:26] <alankila> danieltree: also read /var/log/apache2/error_log or some other similar log file if you run into trouble like no permissions or something
[20:26] <danieltree> alankila, the browser offers me to save the file :(
[20:27] <Jon--atwork> Ubuntu 12.04 gnome-session-fallback DM, want to make gnome-panel completely transparent (the notification area and menu bar are not). I know this is done in the theme, found a guide for it but it's out of date. Can anyone help me?
[20:27] <alankila> danieltree: so turn on php evaluation on your website config somehow
[20:27] <wj222> Wondering if anyone can assist me with a problem. Installed Win 7, Installed 12.04, when I boot up I jump straight to Windows, not sure how to get GRUB to start up.
[20:27]  * alankila doesn't know how php evaluation is enabled, far too long since last time
[20:28] <zykotick9> reisio: with the burn-free/burn-prof/whateveritscalled i let things burn at whatever speed they default to.  though i've almost never seen close to the advertised burn speeds on the disks ;)
[20:29] <reisio> zykotick9: I've seen them both fail, but statistically it'll be the top speed more often
[20:29]  * zykotick9 wishes gnome had burning software as good as k3b.  but the kde libs size don't justify one program imo.
[20:30]  * reisio just uses cdrecord/growisofs directly
[20:30] <zykotick9> reisio: agreed, i think "safest" is to suggest lower speed burning.
[20:30] <alankila> zykotick9: all those terabytes on your system and you can't afford few hundred megabytes of libraries?
[20:31] <guntbert> wj222: Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[20:32] <Etale> Ach.. I'm back. With wicd now. Hopefully this will solve it.
[20:32] <zykotick9> reisio: cdrecord really?  wodim you mean?
[20:32] <wj222> guntbert: No, GRUB is there, but the default bootloader is the windows bootloader, so I need to know how to change it to grub.
[20:32] <zykotick9> !info cdrecord | reisio
[20:32] <Etale> I still don't understand how a network manager can be the thing that screws up a connection... What does it even control that it can screw up?
[20:32] <wj222> guntbert: I have windows on the first portion of the partition, and Ubuntu on the back half.
[20:33] <reisio> zykotick9: I bet you the command still does
[20:33] <reisio> zykotick9: yes I mean cdrkit
[20:33] <reisio> but I still use the 'cdrecord' executable
[20:33] <wj222> guntbert: Also, I already tried those steps, but thanks for finding that.
[20:33] <guntbert> wj222: grub needs to be in the MBR or in the boot sector of the boot partition
[20:33] <reisio> ...because drop-in replacements that change names are not drop-in replacements :p
[20:33] <zykotick9> cdrkit - i've never heard of it.  off to search ;)
[20:34] <schultza> what is the best package to install for "java development kit" ?
[20:34] <bellodizio> ciao a tutti!
[20:34] <alankila> schultza: I used openjdk-7-jdk myself
[20:34] <reisio> Etale: it calls the modules to load in the first place, frequently
[20:34] <guntbert> wj222:  /msg ubottu grub    will tell you a little more :)
[20:34] <wj222> guntbert: Can I install it onto the windows partition, or would that trash my windows bootloader and not allow that to start up?
[20:34] <schultza> what's the diff between openjdk and sun's (i mean oracle's) version?
[20:35] <reisio> zykotick9: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/wodim up at the top left: source: crkit
[20:35] <alankila> schultza: *shrug* too complicated question for me. Some implementations are different afaik because of licensing issues with sun java.
[20:35] <reisio> cdrkit*
[20:35] <zykotick9> reisio: wodim ;)
[20:35] <reisio> right, wodim comes from cdrkit
[20:35] <reisio> which is a fork of cdrtools
[20:35] <guntbert> !dualboot | wj222 (I myself have no dualboot system)
[20:35] <reisio> of cdrecord*
[20:35] <reisio> well, of cdrtools/cdrecord :p
[20:36] <zykotick9> reisio: i also use cdrdao quite a bit.  handy for imaging non-iso based cds.
[20:36] <schultza> if a program i will be working with was written in oracle's version, should i get that one or can i work with openjdk?
[20:36] <reisio> zykotick9: what do you do with the images?
[20:37] <reisio> schultza: it should work with the 'open' one most of the time
[20:37] <zykotick9> reisio: i use toc/bin for playstation emulation for one.
[20:37] <reisio> definitely worth trying first
[20:37] <schultza> and "ofbiz" ?
[20:37] <reisio> zykotick9: playstation emulation?
[20:37] <reisio> schultza: pardon?
[20:37] <alankila> schultza: there's high likelihood that it works, yes.
[20:37] <schultza> i will be working with apache's project "ofbiz"
[20:37] <schultza> ok.. thanks
[20:38] <alankila> I personally have not run into a single program yet that did not work with openjdk, so my experience has been positive
[20:38] <smith_> After successfullt mounting my encrypted lvm in ubuntu in a livecd session, I want to open my encypted HOME dir, but  there is no .private file... and ecryptfs-recover-private does not find anything... anyone can help me?
[20:38] <Jon--atwork> Ubuntu 12.04 gnome-session-fallback DM, want to make gnome-panel completely transparent (the notification area and menu bar are not). I know this is done in the theme, found a guide for it but it's out of date. Can anyone help me?
[20:39] <trism> Jon--atwork: probably going to be difficult until bug 966697 is fixed (repost)
[20:41] <Kornkage4> hey i had installed ubuntu from windows7 sucessfully
[20:41] <reisio> Kornkage4: gj
[20:41] <fff> Would anyone know where to find screen shots from games, if i installed the game through the software center?
[20:41] <Kornkage4> now im back on windows, how to acess ubuntu folders ?
[20:42] <Jon--atwork> trism, So it's a bug that ubuntu is grabbing its transparency settings from the theme?
[20:42] <fidel> Kornkage4: windows has no support for your linux filesystem out of the box
[20:43] <Kornkage4> ok
[20:43] <nannes> !pastebinit
[20:45] <fidel> Kornkage4: if you are running a wubi setup it might differ
[20:50] <smith_> hi, After successfullt mounting my encrypted lvm in ubuntu in a livecd session, I want to open my encypted HOME dir, but  there is no .private file... and ecryptfs-recover-private does not find anything... anyone can help me?
[20:57] <sveinse> Hi. I'm trying to boot into a bootable USB stick, but my BIOS does not let me boot from it (it does boot on other machines). Instead I'm trying some manual cmd-line in grub2. I find the USB device as (fd0), but I can't seem to chainload from it using "chainloader (fd0)+1". It simply sais 'Boot error'.
[20:58] <sveinse> BIOS does not let me boot from it = it does not show up in the list of bootable devices
[20:58] <nannes> How to setup PPPoE connections with Ubuntu Precise?
[21:00] <Jordan_U> sveinse: (fd0) means that A: It's a floppy drive or B: You have a braindead BIOS which presents the first partition of a USB drive as a floppy drive.
[21:02] <sveinse> Jordan_U: Is there any way around this, since fixing a braindead BIOS is somewhat difficult?
[21:04] <Jordan_U> sveinse: What makes you think that (fd0) is the correct device? Sometimes BIOSs will present a non-existant floppy drive as well (who knows why).
[21:05] <msch> hi, how can i install a minimal X so that i just can run chromium in kiosk mode?
[21:05] <zykotick9> !mini | msch start with this ;)
[21:05] <sveinse> Hmm. It seems to be dependent on the USB device itself. I tried another, and this comes up as a HDD
[21:05] <fira> Is there some place you can suggest changes to the dist upgrade proccess ? had someone run into problems about missing kernel modules upgrading to 12.04 today
[21:06] <msch> zykotick9: i already have setup a minimal install. what's next? i'm used to doing server setups, not gui stuff :)
[21:06] <sveinse> Jordan_U: I am certain. Because I can ls (fd0) and I can cat the files on the USB device
[21:06] <Jordan_U> sveinse: Check for a "USB-FDD" option in your BIOS and disable it if you find it.
[21:07] <Jordan_U> !bug | fira
[21:07] <zykotick9> msch: (i'm guessing you your actual needs/requirements) but you will probably want both A) a minimal windows manager (one of teh *BOXes perhaps) and a DM (to autologin).  if you have any specific questions fire away.
[21:07] <fira> I'm not running Ubuntu myslef irhgt now :(... guess i'll try the webiface
[21:07] <stlsaint> anyone able to install linux mint dekstop cinnamon on ubuntu 12.04
[21:08] <zykotick9> msch: B) was the DM ...
[21:08] <msch> zykotick9: thanks. my thoughts so far: i don't need a window manager since i'll run chromium in fullscreen anyway and there's no user interaction (it's a dashboard so no one ever presses any buttons or something)
[21:08] <sveinse> Jordan_U: No such settings unfortunately
[21:08] <msch> zykotick9: about the DM, you mean like gdm or lightdm?
[21:09] <susja> hello
[21:09] <zykotick9> msch: your no dm sounds good in theory, i hope it works for you (i have my doubts).
[21:09] <zykotick9> msch: s/dm/wm/ sorry windows manager
[21:09] <msch> zykotick9: ok so you'd just install openbox/fluxbox whatever? ok. but no minimal gnome stuff right?
[21:09] <Jordan_U> sveinse: What OS is on the USB drive?
[21:10] <susja> I'm happy with Ubuntu 11.10 , the last one is 12.04. Will it be OK to stay with 11.10 or eventually I'll be forced to upgrade? I just don't want to go over reinstlling printer, scanner and etc
[21:10] <zykotick9> msch: TRY WITHOUT 1st.  but if it doesn't work, then ya, open/flux is super light.
[21:10] <msch> zykotick9: ok thanks. and about the DM? do i need lightdm (that's in precise right?) or can i just do startx via upstart like in the really old days?
[21:11] <sveinse> Jordan_U: Linux. syslinux. I'm trying to boot sysrescuecd. The drive has a partition table and one primary ext partition
[21:11] <fira> err wait, there's no global website for bug reporting?
[21:11] <fira> nvm
[21:11] <zykotick9> !info slim | msch you might "test" this, it's super light as well.
[21:11] <msch> zykotick9: great, thanks again :)
[21:12] <zykotick9> msch: i hope you don't need wireless!
[21:12] <guntbert> msch: I did something similar: minimal+xorg+lxdm  (NOT lxde) + chromium
[21:12] <msch> zykotick9: i have wireless already working, it's great.
[21:12] <zykotick9> msch: network-manager requires a dm i though
[21:13] <msch> zykotick9: i just /etc/network/interfaces it :D
[21:13] <gvo>  What's the chance of me buying a wireless USB network card and it working in 12.04?
[21:13] <Jordan_U> sveinse: If you load the kernel and initrd manually from grub it should boot fine.
[21:13] <msch> guntbert: need to look into lxdm vs lxde (whatever that is) vs slim
[21:13] <zykotick9> msch: ahhh.
[21:13] <gvo> Or do I have to be careful.
[21:13] <zykotick9> msch: cool ;)
[21:13] <sveinse> Jordan_U: Yup. I'm trying to figure out which kernel and initrd file I should load
[21:13] <SquireMemphis> Hey guys, just installed virtual of ubuntu server, anyone know of any recommendations for books/websites for learning?
[21:13] <SquireMemphis> I know some of the basics
[21:13] <msch> zykotick9: here's the box btw http://www.zotac.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images-SRW.tpl&product_id=402&category_id=178&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100302&lang=en
[21:14] <zykotick9> msch: ;) h/w isn't my thing...
[21:14] <guntbert> msch: lxdm is a display manager (for lxde), but pulls in just a very lean DE (not the whole LXDE)
[21:14] <msch> zykotick9: mine neither, but it's a great thing. it's small and everything was autodetected by ubuntu. i can highly recommend it already :D
[21:14] <zykotick9> guntbert: i've never tried lxdm... something to note for later ;)  thanks.
[21:15] <zykotick9> guntbert: "apt-cache search lxdm" nothing?
[21:15] <auronandace> guntbert: i thought slim replaced lxdm?
[21:16] <chu> I'm using lxde but I have gdm, I feel ripped off.
[21:16] <msch> guntbert: going with slim :) that doesn't need libgtk-whatever-pixbuf
[21:16] <zykotick9> auronandace: really? that's funny.
[21:16] <moonpie> i changed my chown permissions on ubuntu 12.04 now i can't copy any files to an ext4 formatted hd. i get this destinatio is read-only.
[21:16] <guntbert> zykotick9: you're welcome :-) - I tried that for a lab virtualization situation, where I don't want the host system to be "appealing"
[21:17] <Jon--atwork> Ubuntu 12.04 gnome-session-fallback DM, want to make gnome-panel completely transparent (the notification area and menu bar are not). I know this is done in the theme, found a guide for it but it's out of date. Can anyone help me?
[21:17] <moonpie> i successfully uploaded files from a moc formatted hd
[21:17] <msch> ok… started slim, now the display is blank...
[21:17] <guntbert> zykotick9: and try aptitude search lxdm
[21:18] <moonpie> and then i followed directions from several forum discussions whcihc suggested i cd to the directory with the files whose permissions i want to change
[21:18] <msch> zykotick9: do you know how i can set the resolution of the slim X over ssh?
[21:18] <moonpie> i did sudo chown myusername:myusername *
[21:18] <moonpie> and since that
[21:18] <zykotick9> msch: what architecture is that zotac box?  chrome graphics are pretty limiting (from the impression i get, never had the h/w myself)
[21:18] <moonpie> i cant copy any file
[21:19] <msch> zykotick9: amd64 on some via chip.
[21:19] <moonpie> how do i change my permissions back to normal
[21:19] <zykotick9> msch: no idea sorry.  autologin i accomplished, don't think i messed with the rez.
[21:19] <msch> zykotick9: k, thanks. i think my dashboard display doesn't support the default resolution slim wants to use. no idea if that's even possible with hdmi cables? (aren't they standardized to 1080p or something?)
[21:20] <zykotick9> msch: i've never used anything but vga/dvi cables sorry...
[21:20] <msch> zykotick9: yep me neither, i'm totally out of my depth here. guntbert any ideas?
[21:21] <trism> Jon--atwork: not an ubuntu bug, it is a gtk bug where setting the background-image style to a cairo pattern isn't working, which is how gnome-panel does the transparency
[21:21] <zykotick9> msch: are you sure your chrome video driver supports hdmi?  or the resolution you want?  i though it (chrome) was unexcellerated on gnu/linux?
[21:22] <guntbert> msch: sorry, what is slim?
[21:22] <zykotick9> !info slim | guntbert
[21:22] <msch> zykotick9: it worked before when i did the livecd-autodetection stuff
[21:22] <zykotick9> msch: that's good!
[21:22] <Jon--atwork> trism, Is it being worked on? Where is the tracker for this bug?
[21:22] <lattera> what's a good program I can use to create an iso of a  css-protected dvd?
[21:22] <msch> zykotick9: but maybe it was only vesa… no idea. but with via i can only try vesa and openchrome right?
[21:23] <zykotick9> lattera: do you have libdvdcss2 from medibuntu installed?
[21:23] <zykotick9> msch: not sure - never had the h/w ;)
[21:24] <msch> zykotick9: just found a driver download on the manufacturer's homepage. hello binary blob :)
[21:24] <lattera> zykotick9: yup
[21:24] <lattera> brasero won't let me select the dvd
[21:24] <zykotick9> msch: that's not cool :|  well man, best of luck!  non-opensource drivers suck (i know, i use nvidia on everything i can)
[21:25] <msch> zykotick9: yeah… i just have no idea why it worked on the live disk
[21:25] <zykotick9> msch: my logic, if it works on the live - it shouldn/can work on install....
[21:25] <zykotick9> msch: but i have 0 suggestion ;)
[21:26] <msch> zykotick9: hehe, thanks, i'll try playing around a bit :)
[21:26] <u4ia74> Does anyone know of a public distributed, encrypted, Reed-Solomon error correction, file system anywhere
[21:27] <u4ia74> Wuala used to do something like that.
[21:27] <onet> Hi, can someone help me with openvpn connection? I can connect to server, but no to internet.
[21:27] <motherbrain> I am wondering is there away I can add programs so that init calls them by default when startup I am under ubuntu natty ....  looking at this  http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/config-init.html  but ubuntu doesn't seem to have a /etc/inittab
[21:27] <lattera> so I'm thinking k3b
[21:28] <lattera> but I don't really wanna install k3b, cuz that brings in a bunch of kde deps
[21:28] <u4ia74> You could share 100GB of space and the amount of cloud storage was the (amount shared) * ( %uptime)
[21:29] <mcphail> motherbrain: there are several ways to run programs at startup. I use cron
[21:31] <motherbrain> ok but I am curious what program is first called by init probably getty or bash or something I am assuming though right now. And how to make my program called /executed by init before any other program or at any point in the calling line up of default process init calls
[21:32] <toafan_> u4ia74: that sounds intruiging.  I'm interested.  No idea how to go about searching for it, though
[21:32] <motherbrain> I know I can use at or cron to schedule a process ,...etc but I would much want to know if I can directly schedule it with init so init calls is
[21:32] <motherbrain> directly
[21:32] <moonpie> i follwed advice from the ubuntu forum on how to chown files downloaded from a mac formatted hard drive. after i entered these commands i can no longer copy files from my ubuntu hard drive to an external hard drive formated to ext 4.
[21:32] <zivester> anyone know how to run a jnlp file?
[21:32] <toafan_> u4ia74: start by googling something like "Wuala alternatives"?
[21:33] <u4ia74> toafan: It was awesome.  I don't know why they stopped doing it.
[21:33] <Jon--atwork> Ubuntu 12.04 gnome-session-fallback DM, want to make gnome-panel completely transparent (the notification area and menu bar are not). I know this is done in the theme, found a guide for it but it's out of date. Can anyone help me?
[21:33] <toafan_> u4ia74: let's go looking
[21:33] <nemo> So. My SO has spent a lot of time painfully learning Unity.  At the moment though, she's faced w/ doing all her work in a windows VM, or switching to Maté for a remarkably silly reason
[21:33] <mcphail> motherbrain: ask ubottu about upstart
[21:33] <rymate1234> I have an issue with ubuntu 2D
[21:34] <moonpie> how do i fix the issue. i simply did a cd and then i entered sudo chown myusername:myusername *
[21:34] <rymate1234> when maximised, I still have a title bar
[21:34] <mcphail> motherbrain: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[21:34] <nemo> There's an app she uses that only runs in windows - uses some annoying windows protection layer that isn't wine friendly, and I think the usb device wasn't working too well anyway.
[21:34] <u4ia74> As it is Wuala is just another cloud storage system.  Sharing disk space to get diskspace to get extra space has been discontinued.
[21:34] <motherbrain> ubottu is upstart = to inittab?
[21:34] <nemo> Well. No problem. We run VirtualBox for just that app, and in seamless mode, it even seems like it is part of her linux desktop
[21:34] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, please do a ls -lah . on that directory and paste it
[21:35] <wylde_> !upstart | motherbrain
[21:35] <nemo> Except, in Unity, if you click on Firefox, say, then click back on VirtualBox, you don't get the VM, it is completely unaware of that window.
[21:35] <nemo> Any other window manager would not lose track of windows (like gnome2/maté) but Unity does.
[21:35] <u4ia74> And they're the only ones who have done anything like that.  They used Fuse on linux, and Dokan on Windows, and then later some other interface.
[21:35] <nemo> So, she just spent the day focusing on the VM again by clicking the icon, then doubleclicking on the VM and she's sick of it. she'd rather just do all her work in windows.
[21:35] <motherbrain> wait upstart is called after init process
[21:36] <nemo> is there any way at all to make Unity aware of the VM window?
[21:36] <toafan_> u4ia74: my guess would be something about too resource-intensive
[21:36] <nemo> I already used a script to make Unity stop spawning new virtualbox manager windows every time  you click the icon
[21:36] <motherbrain> or is it a complete replacement of init because I still see init in ubuntu
[21:36] <toafan_> u4ia74: wouldn't it be almost as simple to just host your own filelocker server?
[21:36] <toafan_> u4ia74: (ie owncloud)
[21:37] <wylde_> motherbrain: the first two bery short paragraphsat that link answer that question.
[21:37] <u4ia74> Well, really all the hard work is done client side.  The encryption and then conversion to Reed-Soloman (like PAR2 Data)
[21:37] <wylde_> very*
[21:38] <motherbrain> so wait I thought the kernel calls init normally and that is the parent process of everything i.e toplevel then init starts second level process ,....etc in ubuntu is that not how ubuntu kernel works as well? Where does this upstart come into play
[21:38] <u4ia74> then distributes the chunks to others.  Which I don't think would take much resources to pull off...
[21:39] <toafan_> u4ia74: frankly, I have no clue what you're talking about.  All I know is that it sounds awesome, and it sounds like if bittorrent was a file-system
[21:39] <mcphail> motherbrain: i don't know if init is completely replaced by upstart or if it simply hands over to it
[21:39] <wylde_> motherbrain: Just a huynch, but I bet doing some reading at the link provided will answer quite a few of your questions....
[21:39] <moonpie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027606/
[21:39] <toafan_> u4ia74: mark that as another search: bittorrent file-system
[21:39] <u4ia74> I suppose it could be totally decentralized so if one node goes down, the other nodes compensate by sending the missing data to other nodes.
[21:40] <u4ia74> toafanL yeah, I guess it would be something similar to bitrorrent in the way it is broken up and distributed, and reconstructed.
[21:40] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, What are you doing to cause an error, cp these files somewhere else?
[21:41] <Jon--atwork> Please give me the command + the output
[21:41] <moonpie> simply dragging and dropping to an external hd ubing ext 4 format. before i did the sudo chown myusername:myusername * i had no issue
[21:41] <lwizardl> my nephew forgot his user password (which is also his root password). using the live cd is there a way to reset his password without causing problems on his system ?
[21:42] <motherbrain> well I all I really am interested in right at the moment is init ---> upstart what does init do before calling upstart and after upstart is call is there away to manually set your program to be the first that upstart calls
[21:42] <toafan_> u4ia74: was thinking on how that could work, the uptime component would be pretty important
[21:42] <u4ia74> Maybe I'll get ahold of Wuala and ask them....
[21:42] <mcphail> motherbrain: if you want to harness the init daemon directly see "man update-rc.d"
[21:42] <lwizardl> his system has windows seven and ubuntu 11.10 (i think)
[21:42] <toafan_> lwizardl: yep, done it myself.  look up psychocat's guides
[21:42] <jrib> !upstart | motherbrain
[21:42] <moonpie> the external hd wasnt connected when i used the chown command
[21:43] <toafan_> lwizardl: you'll need a live cd
[21:43] <schultza> ok.. now im confused. i installed openjdk-7(series) and when i run the java -version command i have 1.6.0_24
[21:43] <motherbrain> how about just getting your program to be executed first by upstart
[21:43] <u4ia74> Well, the way Wuala had it, they ran a Java client, so it was cross platform compatible.
[21:43] <lwizardl> toafan_, i know that and my question stated i was asking using one
[21:43] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, You get a popup saying permission denied?
[21:43] <moonpie> yes
[21:44] <toafan_> lwizardl: right, skiming
[21:44] <jrib> motherbrain: the upstart cookbook is pretty detailed about writing your own jobs
[21:44] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, Do you know where the external is from the Terminal?
[21:44] <mcphail> motherbrain: looking at "man 8 init", the actual init itself is the upstart version
[21:44] <u4ia74> You would tell the client how much space you wanted to share, and then as your drive filled up with data from others,  and your uptime proved reliable, your cloud storage increased.
[21:45] <moonpie> you mean /dev/sdb1?
[21:45] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, if not, please connect the external and give me df -h output. I'm going to check the perms on your external next.
[21:45] <lwizardl> toafan_, I know, i just found psychocat guide so i'll test that out thanks :)
[21:45] <reisio> moonpie: ugh, your nick makes me want a moon pie
[21:45] <Jon--atwork> I mean where it is in /mnt or /mount
[21:45] <reisio> damn you
[21:45] <toafan_> lwizardl: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword  Worst-case, use the video version
[21:45] <u4ia74> I shared 100GB (their limit) on my laptop running Ubuntu and got 100% uptime.
[21:46] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, You have 6 mins before I need to leave + catch my bus, speed tech help gogogo.
[21:46] <u4ia74> So they calculate (MB shared) * (up time%) = cloud storage MB.
[21:47] <dawid_> what is wrong wen i start upgrade or update ----- i see ---- prlblem with master /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[21:47] <moonpie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027619/
[21:47] <moonpie> im hurrying
[21:47] <halfmt> hey I have backlight issue.  I'm trying to use setpci to change device registers for the backlight but it doesn't work! The register's value doesn't change. Help?
[21:48] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, Are you copying from the 150GB external to the 300GB+ one?
[21:48] <u4ia74> So not everyone had 100% reliability, which is good, because that leaves room for necessary redundancy.
[21:48] <moonpie> no im copying from 187 gig hd to 317
[21:49] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, Actually, easier. Do this for me ls -lah /media/backup1010ext4
[21:49] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, and do ls -lah /media/livebackup1010
[21:49] <toafan_> u4ia74: so http://maketecheasier.com/wuala-an-alternative-to-dropbox-with-security-in-mind/2011/08/15 is no longer acurate?
[21:49] <toafan_> u4ia74: (I'm just reading online)
[21:49] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, put those in a paste ^. If you're going to do them together, please include the line with command (so I can see which is which)
[21:51] <Jon--atwork> I can give you about 2 minutes more, if I have that paste I can fix your problem quickly. One of the drives has permissions incorrectly set I bet.
[21:54] <moonpie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027627/
[21:54] <moonpie> sorry i just did one and now im gonna do the other
[21:55] <Jon--atwork> sudo chown homer:homer -R /media/backup1010ext4
[21:55] <Jon--atwork> moonpie, do that then cp again, the issue seems to have been with trying to copy lost+found folder.
[21:55] <Jon--atwork> if that fails seek help from others in here I gotta run. gl :)
[21:56] <moonpie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027630/
[21:56] <moonpie> heres the other one
[21:56] <u4ia74> toafan_:That is exactly the way it used to be.  They discontinued the storage trading in early October of last year.  But it was awesome.  It was mountable like any drive in linus or windows  Had an awesome set of features, backup, synchronization, folder share, thumbnailing of photo and media, versioning, and a bunch more...
[21:56] <moonpie> doing the first one again
[21:56] <motherbrain> well seems by this http://blog.joshsoftware.com/2012/02/14/upstart-scripts-in-ubuntu/ upstart takes care of most of the order for you and you would have to muck/create a conf file for your program...I am going to hold off on this one...
[21:57] <u4ia74> I still have 160GB until Oct 3rd, then it expires, and I just have 60GB
[21:57] <toafan_> u4ia74: while (at a glance) I'd still say they're the best cloud drive option out there,  the trading feature sounds _epic_
[21:58] <toafan_> u4ia74: the obvious solution is to write an open-source version
[21:58] <motherbrain> Though I have to ask if one create a cron job when are they executed after all the upstart or in the middle or before ... and is there any control in starting a cron before an init or upstart service?
[21:58] <u4ia74> I don't know how I managed to get the 60GB.  I was one of the earliest users/testers.
[21:58] <toafan_> u4ia74: do you happen to know if any of their code was open-source?
[21:58] <ufrgs> llutz, worked like a charm!!! Thank you a lot!
[21:59] <moonpie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027636/
[21:59] <moonpie> and thx for taking maybe a bit more than 6 min :)
[22:00] <u4ia74> toafan_ I would agree, it is pretty awesome.  And no, I don't believe any of it was open source.  I wish I had more experience in such things or I'd ask Wuala if I could make use of it.
[22:00] <u4ia74> But then again, they're not likely to want competition...
[22:00] <toafan_> u4ia74: if they don't offer that anymore, is it really competition?
[22:01] <u4ia74> Well, if there is a free alternative, that is better than the service they provide, then I suppose they might see it as something that would hurt their business.
[22:02] <rymate1234> great
[22:02] <rymate1234> now terminals ain't showing in unity
[22:02] <rymate1234> I SHALL USE XTERM
[22:02] <moonpie> reisio, get ye a moonpie
[22:03] <toafan_> u4ia74: but it's a different 'service' -- they offer an (encrypted) "cloud thumb drive", we'd be trying to create "bit-torrent fs"
[22:04] <toafan_> and storage trading is definetly not 'free' -- I've gotta put up a bunch of storage to get any decent use out of it
[22:05] <toafan_> u4ia74: the biggest problem I can see, on the implementation side of things, is whether you'd need any centralized components...
[22:05] <moonpie> thats all i have to do? may i ask how did that get messed up?
[22:06] <zykotick9> rymate1234: urxvt ftw ;)
[22:06] <u4ia74> Well, a decentralized, fault tolerant system.   Perhaps someone can make a hybrid of the Moose File System.
[22:07] <reisio> u4ia74: eh?
[22:07] <reisio> oh moose
[22:07] <u4ia74> Or perhaps Tahoe-LAFS.
[22:07] <rhizmoe> free rider problem
[22:07] <moonpie> will the hard drive only work with this particular ubuntu 12.04
[22:07] <u4ia74> Moose, distributes data across servers and reads them as one resource.
[22:08] <moonpie> it didnt work
[22:08] <moonpie> got the same read only error
[22:10] <toafan_> rhizmoe: the trading componnent is _intended_ to address the free-rider problem.  dunno how well it'd work
[22:11]  * zykotick9 fears the fog... er cloud
[22:11] <rhizmoe> sure. it was supposed to in bt, too :)
[22:13] <toafan_> rhizmoe: might work better here.  How much storage can you realisticly get if you're mostly mooching?
[22:13] <moonpie> i think john--atwork leeft
[22:14] <toafan_> moonpie: yeah, he did
[22:14] <moonpie> i still cant access my ext 4 formatted ext hd. i still get the read only error
[22:14] <moonpie> should i retype the issue?
[22:15] <toafan_> rhizmoe: 17% (minimum uptime) * 100 gigs shared = 17 gigs cloud drive... maybe I'm just dim
[22:15] <toafan_> moonpie: just a sec, I'll take a look
[22:15] <moonpie> thx :)
[22:15] <toafan_> moonpie: no promises, though
[22:15] <moonpie> ok
[22:15] <rhizmoe> i'm not drawing any conclusions, and i should probably apologize since i haven't really read all the backscroll :)
[22:16] <rhizmoe> 12.04 on a nv 8400gs...normal to be crap? lots of pauses, etc.
[22:16] <rhizmoe> thrashy lag
[22:17] <MaskilPDX> I did not like Ubuntu 12.04.  It was way to buggy.
[22:17] <MaskilPDX> I had to move back to 11.10
[22:17] <reisio> MaskilPDX: noted
[22:18] <toafan_> moonpie: you're getting an error copying from one drive to another, correct?
[22:18] <moonpie> yes
[22:18] <moonpie> copying from ubuntu to ext hd
[22:18] <rhizmoe> it's a similar experience to when i was running 11.10, only one that's been OK is xfce&10.10, which is simply too old.
[22:18] <moonpie> i can copy the other way
[22:18] <toafan_> moonpie: and that jon--atwork fellow thought it had to do with permissions
[22:18] <moonpie> yes
[22:19] <moonpie> i changed permissions to read a mac os x formatted file
[22:19] <imbezol> Hostname: uxsanmon01t - OS: Linux 2.6.38-14-server/x86_64 - Distro: Ubuntu 11.04 - CPU: Intel Xeon (2533.422 MHz) - Processes: 141 - Uptime: 6d 7h 32m - Users: 7 - Load Average: 2.01 - Memory Usage: 292.96MB/998.40MB (29.34%) - Disk Usage: 21335.80GB/26494.30GB (80.53%)
[22:19] <moonpie> following directions from ubuntu forums
[22:19] <moonpie> this is when this error started appearing
[22:20] <toafan_> moonpie: changed permisions on what? the external drive?
[22:20] <moonpie> i downloaded the file to ubuntu 12.04. cded to directory in which file is located and did a sudo chown myusername:myusername *. from there everything got messed up
[22:21] <moonpie> and then john asked me to change the permissions recursively to on the ext hd
[22:21] <moonpie> i did it didnt solve the problem
[22:21] <toafan_> moonpie: if you downloaded the file, shouldn't you alread own it?
[22:22]  * toafan_ is confused as to the exact nature of the problem
[22:22] <moonpie> the file i copied from mac os x  was in hfs+ format. then i had to change permissions in ubuntu in order to edit it
[22:22] <moonpie> it was no problem copying the file
[22:23] <Kizzy> hi there
[22:23] <toafan_> moonpie: ...
[22:23] <moonpie> the problem was once i copied the file i could no longer use my ext hd
[22:23] <reisio> files aren't formatted especially for file systems
[22:23] <reisio> permissions I believe
[22:23]  * reisio eats moonpie 
[22:23] <moonpie> ok. so i cped a file from mac os x to ubuntu. i chowned the file so i could i edit. once i chowned the file i could no longer cp files from ubuntu to an ext hd formatted in ext 4
[22:24] <Kizzy> has anybody experienced crashing with ubuntu 12.04?
[22:24] <moonpie> have no idea how to fix this
[22:24] <toafan_> moonpie: so... you were using the drive, no problem.  Then you copied a file of a mac to the external drive.  Now you cant use it.  Yes?
[22:24] <moonpie> i copied the file to the ubuntu hd
[22:24] <moonpie> i chowned the file on the ubuntu hd
[22:24] <toafan_> moonpie: directly from the mac?
[22:25] <moonpie> i tried to move not only that file but any file from the ubuntu hd to the ext hd. i am forbidden. i am told the hd which is formatted  to ext 4 is read only
[22:25] <moonpie> no not from the mac
[22:25] <moonpie> from a hd formatted in hfs+
[22:25] <reisio> Kizzy: I'm sure people have experienced crashing with anything you can think of, your question is not going to help you
[22:26] <toafan_> moonpie: hfs+, so from a mac HD
[22:26] <moonpie> yes
[22:26] <moonpie> external hd
[22:26] <reisio> an iHD? :p
[22:26] <moonpie> funnily enough an iomega
[22:27] <toafan_> moonpie: so, there's three HDs here: the Mac one (hfs+), the one one in your Ubuntu machine (I assume ext-something), and the external one (ext4).  right?
[22:27] <moonpie> yes three hds
[22:27] <moonpie> the problem is between the ubuntu and the ext 4 formatted ext hd
[22:28] <Kickball> Hey
[22:28] <toafan_> moonpie: and you copied a file from MacHD to UbuntuHD, and now you get errors on ext4HD
[22:28] <moonpie> when i chowned the hfs+ file thats when the problem started
[22:28] <moonpie> yes as you say
[22:28] <qak> an update I installed last night on precise broke direct rendering. glxinfo says i could try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose but I don't even know where to do that (exporting the var and running glxinfo again didn't cut it :( )
[22:28] <moonpie> i chowned it on the ubuntu hd
[22:29] <moonpie> 15 minutes before the ext 4 ext hd was working just fine
[22:29] <toafan_> moonpie: see, that part confusess me.  why did you have to chown it?  how'd you copy it?
[22:29] <Kizzy> ok thanks anyway i might do a fresh reinstall
[22:29] <diluted> whats the apt-get for the make tools?
[22:29] <jozsi> hy
[22:29] <mcphail> diluted: build-essential
[22:29] <diluted> ty
[22:30] <jozsi> How can I turn off the window effects?
[22:30] <toafan_> moonpie: for example, did you use sudo in there?
[22:30] <moonpie> i copied it as: sudo cp -r /media/fie directory/ /home/copyofdirectory
[22:30] <moonpie> yes i sudoed
[22:30] <toafan_> jozsi: were it me, I'd start with pokeing around in compizconfig
[22:30] <moonpie> it wouldnt copy without sudo
[22:30] <moonpie> and it wouldnt copy without -r
[22:31] <toafan_> moonpie: I think -r is normal for copying directories
[22:31] <moonpie> ok
[22:31] <moonpie> so yes i had to use sudo to copy the file. i couldnt drag and drop it
[22:31] <toafan_> so, where are you copying _from_?  inside this directory?
[22:31] <moonpie> and true -r is recursive. so duh
[22:32] <toafan_> moonpie: and, while I'm at it, where did you put it?
[22:32] <OerHeks> use -R = recursive
[22:32] <no-name-> so I'm running 10.04 and since the last update firefox's scrolling has lag. what's up with that? :(
[22:32] <moonpie> i put it in videos
[22:32] <toafan_> moonpie: so inside your home folder, someplace you own
[22:32] <toafan_> moonpie: hm
[22:32] <moonpie> in videos . its a file thats 8gb.
[22:33] <diluted> what should i get for apt-get on ncurses
[22:33] <diluted> im trying to compile psybnc, but cant
[22:34] <moonpie> i shouldve just spliced the file copied it with a fat hd like i ususally do. i got fancy and messed everything up
[22:34] <toafan_> moonpie: so, I'm fumbling around here basicly
[22:35] <toafan_> moonpie: what I'd like to see, is a ls -lh on you /media, and one that shows this 8gb file
[22:35] <moonpie> ok
[22:36] <Jordan_U> moonpie: Could you give a quick recap of the problem?
[22:36] <toafan_> moonpie: I'm not sure how to get the equivalent of ls -lh on a single file, but that would work too
[22:36] <Teth> I want to kill all of you
[22:36] <Teth> just so you know
[22:36] <toafan_> Teth: how come?
[22:39] <qak> my libgl says "screen 0 does not appear to be DRI2 capable" but `grep EE Xorg.0.log` shows no errors. just started after a recent apt-get upgrade. any ideas what next? using the nvidia kernel module and it's up to date with my running kernel
[22:40] <moonpie> sure. i copied an gb video file from an hfs+ external hd to ubuntu 12.04. i chowned the file so i can edit it. after chowning this file by doing: cd todirectorywhere file is located, i did: chown myusername:myusername *. after i did this an ext4 formatted external hd stopped error while copying to the external hd:" this destination is read only ". when only like 15 min before i had no issue copying files to it from the ubuntu partition.
[22:40] <moonpie> an 8 gb excuse me
[22:41] <ivali> I cannot install Ubuntu 12.04/Ubuntu 12.10. Crash on install, tried x32/x64 CD/DVD/USB Stick. I've posted my problem here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1992999
[22:42] <ivali> I think it might work if i install it without GUI, can i do that?
[22:42] <moonpie> and i mean the hd stopped working* not hd stopped error
[22:42] <Jordan_U> moonpie: Can you unmount this ext4 partition or is it your root filesystem?
[22:43] <moonpie> i can unmount. i just did
[22:43] <StillRise> Hi, I have a Ubuntu 12.04 installed.  I have JAVA_HOME, GRAILS_HOME and some additional directories added to the /etc/environment.  However when I do sudo grails run-app.  I get command not found and JAVA_HOME not set.  If I do sudo su, then run the same command it works.  Can someone please let me know how I may correct this.  Many thanks.
[22:43] <moonpie> i dont know what i did
[22:44] <moonpie> i mean i dont know what i did the root filesystem
[22:44] <Kornkage4> how do i uninstall an application?
[22:44] <reisio> Kornkage4: from Ubuntu Software Center
[22:45] <Jordan_U> moonpie: Have you tried fsck'ing the filesystem?
[22:45] <Kornkage4> thanks
[22:45] <moonpie> im sorry im fuzzy on the right command
[22:45] <moonpie> what do i type?
[22:45] <toafan_> moonpie: for what?
[22:46] <Jordan_U> moonpie: What is the device name for this parittion?
[22:46] <moonpie> should i unmount first?
[22:46] <Jordan_U> !who | moonpie
[22:46] <toafan_> moonpie: oh, for fsck.  Probably?
[22:46] <moonpie> jordan, its backup1010ext4
[22:47] <moonpie>  sorry thx to you both jordan and toafan for your help
[22:48] <Jordan_U> moonpie: Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid".
[22:48] <toafan_> moonpie: hey, it's fun trying to solve problems
[22:48] <toafan_> moonpie: especially when you don't know the answer yourself
[22:49] <toafan_> now, the same problems over and over again...
[22:49] <filo1234> StillRise: sudo -u user command or su -c command -l loginuser
[22:50] <StillRise> filo1234: Thanks will give it a try
[22:50] <filo1234> StillRise: obvs if "user" is in sudo group
[22:50] <StillRise> did sudo visudo then added: Defaults env_keep = "PATH JAVA_HOME GRAILS_HOME"
[22:51] <moonpie> jordan, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027711/
[22:51] <filo1234> StillRise: yeah but that "user" can use sudo?
[22:51] <filo1234> StillRise: with user sudo -l
[22:51] <StillRise> Yes, it works now, I did set up that use for sudo
[22:52] <filo1234> ok but if you want run command with specific user you need -u user
[22:52] <filo1234> or su -c ....like I said above
[22:53] <StillRise> got it, thanks filo1234
[22:53] <filo1234> np
[22:53] <toafan_> moonpie: are MacHD and UbuntuHD seperate physical drives, or just different partitions?  They look like same drive/different partitions
[22:53] <moonpie> different partitions
[22:53] <toafan_> moonpie: not that that is at all relevant
[22:54] <Jordan_U> !tab | moonpie
[22:55] <toafan_> moonpie: so to reply to me, start typing 'toafan' but after 'toa' hit tab
[22:55] <moonpie> Jordan_U, got it
[22:56] <Jordan_U> moonpie: Make sure that you won't run out of battery or otherwise need to shut down your computer for a while (this shouldn't be interrupted) and run "sudo fsck -y /dev/sdb2" then pastebin the output when it's done.
[22:56] <moonpie> toafan_, different partitions
[22:56] <moonpie> ok
[22:56] <moonpie> Jordan_U, should i unmount it before i do that
[22:57] <Jordan_U> moonpie: Yes.
[22:59] <toafan_> moonpie: I'm gonna have to go.  Good luck
[23:00] <moonpie> Jordan_U, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027721/
[23:00] <moonpie> toafan_, thx. have a good one :)
[23:00] <fellayaboy> clear
[23:00] <fellayaboy> ls
[23:02] <fellayaboy> is it possible to redirect all files and folders to null...or create a script to delete all files and folders when theyre created?...i want to redirect everything that goes into /var/log and have it totaly empty
[23:02] <toafan_> fellayaboy: try linking /var/log to /dev/null?
[23:02] <fellayaboy> yes
[23:02] <shai> someone knows how i can install the nvidia drivers on my ubuntu 12.04? i want to run the gnome-shell, after i install and run gnome, starts on the feedback mode
[23:03] <toafan_> fellayaboy: no idea why you'd want to do that
[23:03] <Jordan_U> moonpie: OK. What output (if any) do you get from "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/ && sudo touch /mnt/test_file_creation" ?
[23:03] <Seveas> !nvidia | shai
[23:03] <fellayaboy> will cat /dev/null > /var/log work?
[23:03] <Seveas> fellayaboy, no
[23:03] <moonpie> Jordan_U, i get no output
[23:04] <Seveas> fellayaboy, you're going to have to change configurations for all software that logs in /var/log
[23:04] <Jordan_U> moonpie: Ok, then we were able to write to it that time. How were you mounting the partiton before?
[23:04] <fellayaboy> how can i get this to work without sacraficing too much
[23:04] <toafan_> fellayaboy: you'd have to replace /var/log with a link to /dev/null
[23:04] <fellayaboy> toafan how would i do that
[23:04] <toafan_> fellayaboy: read up on symlinks, hardlinks
[23:04] <Seveas> toafan_, that won't work
[23:04] <toafan_> fellayaboy: try man ln
[23:04] <fellayaboy> a symbolic link
[23:05] <Seveas> /var/log/ is a directory
[23:05] <moonpie> i plug it in. i try to drag and drop file and it doesnt work. i mustve monted and unmounted it 10x hoping it woould start working again
[23:05] <fellayaboy> yea i dont think that would work
[23:05] <moonpie> Jordan_U, sorry that last one was for you.
[23:05] <Seveas> fellayaboy, you could try mounting a nullfs on top of /var/log
[23:05] <moonpie> Jordan_U, i plug it in. i try to drag and drop file and it doesnt work. i mustve monted and unmounted it 10x hoping it woould start working again
[23:05] <fellayaboy> seveas how would that work
[23:06] <fellayaboy> i know how to mount and stuff but never created a nullfs
[23:06] <Seveas> fellayaboy, nullfs is a fake filesystem where you can create files but it'll discard all data
[23:06] <fellayaboy> seveas so how would i do that.,..whats the logic
[23:07] <Seveas> fellayaboy, https://github.com/xrgtn/nullfs
[23:08] <Seveas> I've never used it, so don't know how well it'll work. I'd go for configuring the software on your system properly so it doesn't log
[23:09] <fellayaboy> seveas so all i would have to do is mount this nullfs to /var/log
[23:09] <Seveas> well, you're going to have to build and install it first
[23:10] <fellayaboy> make it into an iso or somemountable format
[23:11] <moonpie> Jordan_U,  john --atwork had me try and fix the problem by typing in sudo chown homer:homer -R /media/backup... i did this. still had the problem. i dont understand why it keeps coming up as read only when i try to drag and drop files from the ubuntu partition in the ext hd. and with the new ownership permissions will only this os partition be able to open that ext hd?
[23:11] <fellayaboy> how would i do that..im skimming thru the readme is it a sscript that generates a iso or some other file format
[23:12] <Seveas> don't skim, read :-)
[23:15] <shai> hey, someone can help me to install the nvidia drivers to the graphic card nvidia geforce 520mx? because i want to run gnome-shell and when i run it, runs feedback mode.
[23:16] <fellayaboy> exit
[23:16] <fellayaboy> exit
[23:16] <robocop> bye
[23:18] <escott> moonpie, is that drive on NTFS or FAT?
[23:19] <moonpie> escott, the drive im having issues with is ext4
[23:19] <escott> moonpie, what does "mount" show as the mount options
[23:21] <robocop> my ext drive doesnt mount but i can write too ti
[23:22] <golfinhoooo> They are around there
[23:22] <moonpie> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027743/
[23:23] <naryfa> Hi, need some help here. I installed xubuntu but I didn't like it and put gnome shell on it. Anybody knows how to get rid of xubuntu stuff without world war 3?
[23:23] <robocop> just delete the x folder
[23:24] <escott> moonpie, nothing is currently mounted on /media/backup. you need to mount it and then run "mount"
[23:24] <robocop> xu*
[23:24] <robocop> use an external back up
[23:24] <naryfa> robocop: are you talking to me?
[23:24] <sambagirl> if you run lspci -v that shows everything correct? if so, i put this video card into the slot and it isnt recognized by the command. is that normal? it's some kind of 3 port video card that came from canada. eh?
[23:25] <escott> moonpie, you also have someone logged in on a root gnome session (/root/.gvfs is mounted) that could be the cause of your problems. in a race to see who gets to mount the drive first if root wins..
[23:26] <Donnie_Darko21> hello folks i have problem with my bluetooth why i cant receive files ?
[23:26] <robocop> is gu yummy?
[23:26] <sambagirl> ahh i found it thanks
[23:26] <robocop> my distro will no longer accept any of my passwords
[23:26] <Jordan_U> robocop: Do you have anything productive to contribute to this channel?
[23:27] <robocop> do you ever shut up
[23:27] <moonpie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027749/. whats this root gnome session thing? can you explain that?
[23:27] <moonpie> escott,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027749/. whats this root gnome session thing? can you explain that?
[23:28] <sambagirl> hey is myth based of ubuntu?
[23:28] <Donnie_Darko21> did i need to install something to make my bluetooth working to receive files?
[23:28] <sambagirl> opps wrong channel this machine is running centos :D
[23:28] <sambagirl> chao
[23:28] <naryfa> Hi, need some help here. I installed xubuntu but I didn't like it and put gnome shell on it. Anybody knows how to get rid of xubuntu stuff without world war 3?
[23:28] <escott> moonpie, you are doing something strange to get a root session. im not sure what it is, but generally you would not want root to be running services like gnome-vfs. did you do anything like running "sudo gnome-session" or anything like that
[23:29] <xangua> !puregnome | naryfa
[23:29] <reisio> naryfa: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu
[23:29] <naryfa> xangua: thanks
[23:29] <escott> moonpie, the drive is mounted read-write so what does it say when you say touch /media/livebackup1010/test.txt
[23:30] <moonpie> no but i did this to the file ( and thanks this is the problem! you found it! ) i cded to the directory of a file i cped from a hfs+ hd. i needed to edit it. on ubuntu forums i found this solution: sudo chown myusername:myusername *. i think this is what messed everythin gup
[23:30] <moonpie> how dod i fix this?
[23:31] <moonpie> escott, sorry that last entry was directed to you
[23:31] <escott> moonpie, chown username:username would allow you to take ownership of the files. it should not reduce your permissions. it is increasing your permissions
[23:32] <moonpie> escott,  /media/livebackup1010/test.txt  doesnt exist. and id like to make the permissions as before. id only like to increase the permissions of that one file. not the entire partition.
[23:33] <escott> moonpie, paste the output of ls -l /media and ls -l /media/livebackup1010
[23:33] <Donnie_Darko21> ok i found the problem was at file sharing
[23:34] <genoskill> can i use chroot to install a package from a linux system to another linux system located on another partition?
[23:34] <escott> genoskill, sure just copy the deb over and chroot in
[23:34] <Jordan_U> genoskill: Yes, though there are some exceptions. What are you trying to install and why?
[23:36] <moonpie> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027636/ for backup. thats the partition im having an issue with
[23:36] <genoskill> Jordan_U, im trying to install a video driver, because i think i removed all of them
[23:37] <datakid> hola. Using 11.10 is there a way to determine the name of the wireless network I'm on from the command line?
[23:38] <Donnie_Darko21> damn firefox 13 is great and the best
[23:39] <fl1bbl3> datakid: iwconfig | grep ESSID
[23:39] <escott> moonpie, permissions on . are a little odd (700) means that homer AND ONLY homer can create files or subfolders in that folder, but i dont see anything that would prevent homer from creating or modifying files
[23:39] <escott> moonpie, with the exception of lost+found but thats commonly held by root
[23:39] <moonpie> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027764/
[23:40] <moonpie> escott, i dont want it that only homer can create files or subfolders in the hd. how do i fix that?
[23:40] <moonpie> that was per the suggestiong of jonh--atwork
[23:41] <escott> moonpie, what happens when you do the touch in the commands you just sent without the sudo?
[23:41] <datakid> fl1bbl3, thanks it works - although that does give unusal output - there are two line included that *don't* feature ESSID
[23:41] <datakid> namely lo and etho "no wireless extensions"
[23:42] <moonpie> escott, not sure what you mean by touch. does touch mean just do the same commands sans sudo?
[23:42] <escott> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/; ls -la /mnt; sudo touch /mnt/test_file_creation_root ; touch /mnt_test_file_creation_nonroot; ls -la /mnt; whoami
[23:42] <Darkfall117> ls
[23:44] <moonpie> escott, i just did blkid and sudo blkid http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027768/
[23:44] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[23:44] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[23:44] <Darkfall117> exit
[23:44] <nut> hi yall i got a problem with a laptop hd im trying to get to work again lol
[23:45] <escott> moonpie, if you want broader permissions on the directory then you would chmod ### where the # values are for user, group, other respectively, 7 means create or delete files, and 5 means list files, and no other value is really meaningful or useful for directories
[23:45] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[23:45] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[23:45] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[23:45] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[23:45] <ubuntu_64bit>  am asking about tv manager add on  will it be possible to stream video over Internet like cnn
[23:45] <FloodBot1> ubuntu_64bit: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <escott> moonpie, blkid is not helpful run the set of commands i just sent
[23:45] <escott> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/; ls -la /mnt; sudo touch /mnt/test_file_creation_root ; touch /mnt_test_file_creation_nonroot; ls -la /mnt; whoami
[23:45] <escott> moonpie, ^^^
[23:46] <motherbrain> upstart allows you to create your own program to start automatically using in the .conf something like this start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=wlan0) but what are the vailid options for (...) and if I had created 2 programs and wanted them to start but one had to be first started what would I do in the (...)
[23:47] <motherbrain> in arch linux the use systemd in old linuxs it is inittab ...etc so these configuration keep confusing me a little bit
[23:48] <motherbrain> or at least the flow of the process startups
[23:48] <escott> motherbrain, you need to configure one to throw an event or list the first inside the "on" clause of the second
[23:49] <motherbrain> well my problem is can you just place the absolute path/name of the second program in the on (...) and that will work or is there only specific key words that I am not aware of that can go in (...)
[23:50] <escott> motherbrain, as an example "lightdm" start on (... and started dbus ...) which is referencing the dbus.conf
[23:50] <moonpie> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027776/
[23:51] <nut> e2label brad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc1 couldnt find valid filesystem super-block ne 1 ever had a prob with it???
[23:51] <motherbrain> so lightdm start on ( started myprogram ) would be the equivalent to  starting lightdm after my program was started
[23:51] <moonpie> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027606/
[23:51] <escott> moonpie, you are getting io errors and the /dev/sdb2 doesn't exist which suggests that the device is failing and has been ejected from the system. how is it connected?
[23:52] <kolix> Hi guys
[23:52] <kolix> I'm just installed apache and mod_wsgi and trying to cinfigure them
[23:52] <kolix> httpd.conf is empty
[23:52] <kolix> do i edit apache2.conf?
[23:53] <moonpie> escott, its connected by usb
[23:53] <escott> motherbrain, myprogram needs to be a service file so you need myprogram.conf. you can also use "initctl emit signalname" so in your dependency.conf you could have your start script which starts the dependency, and then on successful start calls initctl emit dependency-started
[23:53] <nut> can ne 1 help?? me with a hd prob
[23:53] <escott> moonpie, lets look at dmesg | tail -n 100
[23:53] <Jordan_U> nut: Please use full English sentences with proper punctuation.
[23:54] <nut> sry small laptop keyborard and it moves around by itself sometimes
[23:54] <nut> how can u checkdisk and fix the mbr
[23:55] <moonpie> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1027784/
[23:55] <Darkfall117> exit
[23:56] <nut> ne thoughts??
[23:56] <bazhang> nut, post your issue in full, with actual english words, on a single line.
[23:57] <reza> especially with actual english
[23:57] <nut> it is english
[23:57] <reza> n e thoughts <~ not english
[23:57] <reza> the people of #english may be able to help explain why. :)
[23:57] <nut> if u cant understand that u r a foool
[23:58] <bazhang> nut, thats enough.
[23:58] <escott> moonpie, no additional information there. its just an io error? might you have jostled the cord? check the smart status of the disk with the disk utility gui
[23:58] <reza> It would be one thing if English was your second language and you struggled at it. However to completely butcher English in that format is just not acceptable...
[23:59] <KRomo> i just upgraded to kernel 3.41 on 12.04 so poroud of myself lol
[23:59] <moonpie> escott, i checked smart status. green light. disk is healthy.
[23:59] <datakid> hmmm very interesting - why doesn't iwconfig run through grep very well?
[23:59] <reza> congratualtions, I remember my first kernel upgrade.