[01:22] <xubuntu872> I am brand new to this and looking to install Ubuntu over windows XP on old Dell inspiron 8600, I am unable to install Ubuntu 12.04 because of PAE error
[01:22] <xubuntu872> can anyone help please?
[01:23] <DJzee> I have 11.10 installed. Having trouble installing Adobe flash plugin.  Need some assistance
[01:24] <DJzee> And other updates as well
[01:25] <xubuntu872> try using Chrome as your browser should have flash built in?
[01:37] <Xifanie> on firefox? I don't think you can; the same happened to me on 12.04... get the stand-alone plugin and install that instead
[01:44] <DJzee> Problem is one of my failed updates is Chrome
[01:45] <DJzee> I'll try that Xidanie
[01:45] <DJzee> Xifanie
[04:17] <malv> i like how a minor bastion package update requires downloading another 1.2 gigs =)
[04:20] <malv> bazhang: have you fixed my bug report yet?
[04:42] <asterismo> hey people
[04:43] <asterismo> a question
[04:44] <asterismo> does anyone knows how to edit default panel layout for a custom xubuntu live CD?
[06:06] <xubuntu957> quick and probably easy question, in 12.04 how do you chech your computers stats, cpu clock, ram...
[06:21] <hobgoblin> xubuntu957: maybe sudo dmidecode will give you what you want
[06:36] <pimperle> will firefox 13 eventually be available in precise? Or will i have to use some ppa to get it?
[06:54] <hobgoblin> it should I believe come through as an update
[08:04] <cousteau> using thunar, why do file sizes appear in KiB, MB, GiB?
[08:04] <cousteau> is it a typo, or a weird decision of using decimal MB instead of binary MiB?
[08:05]  * cousteau tries opening thunar with LANG=C just in case
[08:08] <cousteau> LANG=C didn't do anything
[08:08]  * cousteau kills thunar
[08:08] <cousteau> nothing
[08:08] <ochosi> cousteau: i get kB, MB and GB (in file properties)
[08:09] <cousteau> with lowercase k?
[08:09] <cousteau> weird
[08:09] <ochosi> the statusbar shows the same units
[08:09] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06062012-100952am.php
[08:10] <cousteau> in file properties I get   247,6 MB (259.596.288 bytes)
[08:10] <cousteau> so clearly *MB = MiB
[08:11] <cousteau> personally I prefer SiI units rather than SI ones...  it's just an annoying typo
[08:11] <ochosi> you can try to report a bug on bugzilla.xfce.org
[08:11] <ochosi> anyway, g2g
[08:12] <cousteau> bye :)
[08:12] <cousteau> (I don't think I can report a bug since the bug cannot be reproduced apparently)
[08:15] <xubuntu055> hello room..... anyone know anything about installing xubuntu on asus pro500 dual core 3400 (?)  have had issues with graphic install, tried alternate install, installs fine, but freezes about 5 sec after desktop loads - graphic install does same when it tries to load.  managed to click on one thing or so in the five seconds before it takes control over the mouse, giving me about 1 mouse event every 5 secs, then crashes.  every 
[08:16] <xubuntu055> i get this with all ubuntu installs except server
[08:18] <cousteau> graphics card?
[08:19] <xubuntu055> you'd think so, but then again the desktop loads fine for a bit
[08:19] <xubuntu055> how do i fix without being able to click on anything and loosing the kboard as well?
[08:19] <cousteau> ctrl-alt-f1 and you at least can write commands?
[08:20] <xubuntu055> yeah tried to goto a terminal screen, didnt work.  not even ctrl alt del works
[08:20] <cousteau> there you can do `top` and `lspci | grep VGA`
[08:20] <xubuntu055> or power down,.  had to hold down for 10 sec
[08:20] <cousteau> rather than hard-rebooting or shutdown you should Alt-SysRq-REISUB (or REISUO)
[08:21] <magnus_> Hi, I am trying to use urxvt (rxvt-unicode), but when I ssh to a server, it looses all the colors. Any ideas?
[08:22] <xubuntu055> sorry, excuse my dumness, i dunno what alt-sysrq is.  keep in mind my mouse totally freezes and the keyboard doesn't work.  cd drive doesn't eject etc etc.  (not a live cd, installed system with no cd in drive)  computer totally dead
[08:22] <cousteau> xubuntu055, alt-printscreen-REISUB
[08:23] <cousteau> that's supposed to work no matter the case, it's hard-coded deep in the kernel
[08:23] <cousteau> and reboots your computer
[08:23] <cousteau> (you may want to read about "Magic SysRq" on Wikipedia)
[08:24] <xubuntu055> ok, will do that next time.  still, i wish i could get the os working.  hoping for some ideas of how to do it from recovery mode maybe
[08:24] <xubuntu055> fix the os that is
[08:25] <cousteau> without knowing the graphics card is hard to tell...
[08:33] <xubuntu055> hang on brb after some rebooting, investigating etc
[08:42] <brendon1981> hi i'm back again..... (i'm the guy with the graphic problem), ok, so i should clarify, I can get the logon screen, that works fine, but after i log on, i get about 5 seconds of keyboard/mouse use.  sometimes the menu loads in that time, sometimes it doesn't get to that..... so, now ive been able to ctrl-alt-f1 and login on tty in those 5 seconds, and ctrl alt whatever back to a blank desktop backgrounds when i go back to the g
[08:43] <brendon1981> i could diagnose from the command line, that would be super
[08:45] <martinphone> i have a large library of music in a HDD connected to my xubuntu through USB. this large library is categorized by author, year, genre... Just today I opened rhythmbox and 12 albums are under a different album (130 songs with the same album name) why does this happen?
[08:45] <martinphone> at the moment I was doing some other things (demuxing and torrenting IIRC)
[08:48] <martinphone> i still need a command to scan images in case sane fails again, if you can help...
[09:17] <martinphone> is this down for you? http://perv.i2p/stats.cgi
[09:18]  * cousteau has never seen a .i2p TLD
[09:18] <cousteau> http://isup.me/perv.i2p
[09:19] <cousteau> martinphone, http://isup.me/perv.i2p
[09:21] <martinphone> didnt expect that from this channel cousteau
[09:23] <cousteau> martinphone, what?
[09:24]  * cousteau has no idea what that site is and is not curious on that either
[09:26] <martinphone> cousteau, I mean I missposted it here
[09:27] <cousteau> oh ok
[09:53] <Jonne_> anyone know how to change the lightdm background from within xubuntu?
[09:53] <Jonne_> some wallpaper app changed mine to something ugly, and can't find how to change it back
[09:54] <SandJ> Settings, Settings Manager, Desktop
[09:58] <SandJ> Jonne, for my Xubuntu v11.10 it defaulted to  xubuntu-greybird.png, Single Image, Style: Auto, Brightness: 0, Saturation: 1.0
[10:00] <Jonne_> weird, i set it to xubuntu-blue on both screens, and on one screen it's blue, on the other it's sort of a sepia-version
[10:01] <Jonne_> *xfce-blue
[10:01] <Jonne_> will reboot first
[10:02] <Jonne_> see what happens
[10:05] <Jonne_> still different colours
[10:05] <Jonne_> oh well, at leats the lightdm thing is fixed now
[10:05] <Jonne_> *least
[10:08] <SandJ> Jonne_, when you say different 'screens' - do you mean physical screens or virtual desktops?
[10:08] <Jonne_> physical displays
[10:09] <Jonne_> didn't xfce4.8 have a saturation thing before?
[10:09] <Jonne_> *hue
[10:09] <Jonne_> sorry
[10:09] <Jonne_> i don't see it any more, so maybe that's what happened
[10:10] <SandJ> Sorry, I only have one physical screen on this setup.  (I cannot get my virtual desktops to be different and cannot see how.)
[10:11] <Jonne_> weird, saturation actually controls the hue
[10:11] <Jonne_> or something
[10:11] <Jonne_> definitely not saturation
[10:12] <SandJ> These are the settings I get, which includes saturation:  http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-060612-111049.php
[10:15] <Jonne_> yes, but if you actually change the slider, you'll see it doesn't exactly change the saturation, but does something different
[10:15] <Jonne_> possibly hue, but maybe something completely different
[10:15] <Jonne_> if i slide it all the way to the left on xfce-blue, it becomes bright red
[10:17] <SandJ> That's because it is affecting the transparency of the image and allowing the chosen colour to show instead.
[10:17] <SandJ> ... I think.
[10:19] <Jonne_> whatever, it's fixed now
[10:19] <Jonne_> probably weirdness from upgrading
[10:23] <SandJ> I really must find out why XChat goes to an 'empty' window sometimes.  Jonne_ are you sorted?
[10:24] <Jonne_> yesh, turns out the UI didn't show the "saturation" settings that were actually set on the image
[10:24] <Jonne_> just touching the slider fixed it
[12:32] <cousteau> I can't make a bookmark of an smb:// directory
[12:36] <ochosi> cousteau: yes, at least not permanently (in thunar's sidebar)
[12:36] <ochosi> or let's say: not yet
[12:37] <ochosi> there was work on a new sidebar, but it stalled due to problems with drag-and-drop
[12:41] <cousteau> exactly, the problem is that those bookmarks are not persistent
[12:42] <cousteau> (if suggestions are accepted for the new bar, I'd suggest adding a "bookmarks" section to the tree view, so that I can have bookmarks also in the tree)
[12:42] <cousteau> (or to the Go menu, or make a Bookmarks menu)
[12:43] <ochosi> if you're interested in the topic, the actual result of the discussions is here: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/thunar/shortcuts-pane
[12:45] <cousteau> I think I'll try different file browsers to compare them...  also, it's nice that XFCE allows me to select the file manager
[12:47] <ochosi> yes, it has a modular approach (something you can't say of e.g. gnome)
[12:50] <cousteau> it's a nice feature
[12:50]  * cousteau is trying pcmanfm now
[12:54] <cousteau> I'm still missing a twin-panel view and a command input panel
[12:56] <cousteau> wonder if that can be made into a plugin
[12:56] <ochosi> a command-input-panel?
[12:56] <ochosi> is "open terminal here" not good enough?
[12:59] <cousteau> well, it could come in handy
[12:59] <cousteau> weird, I installed pcmanfm; the shortcut does appear there
[12:59] <cousteau> (the one I created in a previous session with Thunar and which disappeared)
[13:01] <cousteau> er, what's all this garbage?  ~/.goutputstream-*
[13:03] <cousteau> seem to be created when I shutdown the pc
[13:13] <cousteau> step 1:  check whether this has to do with xubuntu or a specific program I installed.  Does anyone else have ~/.goutputstream-* files?
[13:14] <hobgoblin> I do - delete them every now and again
[13:14] <cousteau> ok, so known bug
[13:15] <cousteau> then it's either an ubuntu/xfce problem, or something to do with one of the default programs.  Seem to be created when shutting down.
[13:16] <hobgoblin> cousteau: possibly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/984785
[13:17] <cousteau> yes, but since it seems to have to do with Gnome, maybe it had something to do with a program I installed rather than one of the default ones
[13:18] <hobgoblin> and thunar is there somewhere
[13:18] <hobgoblin> not just gnome
[13:21] <hobgoblin> just check something
[13:23] <cousteau> seems to be something related to lightdm
[13:25] <hobgoblin> well it isn't that
[13:25] <cousteau> how do I change user without closing session?
[13:33] <cousteau> answer:  Ctrl-Alt-Del, and when the screensaver appears and asks me to login, click "New login"
[13:33] <cousteau> so it can be done
[13:33] <cousteau> it's just not in the normal options
[13:46] <cousteau> can I merge/replace the mail notificator on the plugin indicator with the "Mail Watcher" program?
[14:06] <SandJ> I have 4 ~/.goutputstream-* files which seem to co-incide with the last 4 reboots.
[14:08] <hobgoblin> aaah - I thought they looked like my shutdowns - didn't think to check reboots
[14:14] <cousteau> so it's when shutting down or rebooting
[14:14] <SandJ> Of the 4 I have, the 1st I don't remember, the 2nd was when I shut my PC down before going on holiday (although I may have done a reboot first), the 3rd was when I returned from holiday (and may have done a reboot) and the 4th was from a reboot this morning.
[14:15] <cousteau> so you reboot like, once in a lifetime?
[14:16] <cousteau> Ok, so...  changing the topic, can I make the mail indicator to automatically check for mail?
[14:16] <cousteau> there's a "mail watcher" applet that does this, but it's kind of silly to need 2 plugins for this
[14:16] <SandJ> I reboot Linux whenever the update program needs it and that's about it.
[14:16] <cousteau> maybe I can make Thunderbird "run in background"?
[14:20] <SandJ> I very rarely turn my PCs off, usually only for hardware upgrades or moving home.  But it was so hot when I was packing for the holiday that I turned everything off that might generate heat.  Whereas I reboot Windows PCs every morning without thinking, my Linux machines go for weeks without reboots.  It is one of the reasons I use Linux.
[14:22] <cousteau> the reason I use Linux (well, the last excuse I needed for installing Linux) was that when I installed Firefox on Windows, Windows added a bunch of non-working plugins to Firefox without asking me.  In general, doing things without asking me.
[16:56] <FoRcEr_> hola
[17:32] <xwalk> Hello. I'm having massive memory consumption issues with 12.04 for some reason that just started yesterday. After my box has been running for a few hours, the consumption of memory skyrockets. I usually run at about 1-1.2 Gigs of memory used while idling. It seems to be the X server that is consuming too much memory. Any ideas what I can do to fix this?
[17:45] <puff> My laptop crashed this morning around 5am (http://paste.linuxassist.net/216002).  I rebooted around 1pm and just now as I was restarting firefox, etc, and rearranging windows, my menu bar disappeared.
[17:45] <xwalk_> I should also mention that this problem is only with my desktop, my laptop which also has the latest LTS doesn't seem to be experiencing this problem.
[17:53] <puff> Well, that's fun, I restarted metacity but still no menu bar.
[17:54] <Unit193> metacity? On Xubuntu?
[17:55] <puff> Good point. I'm kinda new at this xubuntu thing :-).
[17:55] <Unit193> Xfce uses xfwm4
[17:58] <holstein> xwalk_: maybe look at the graphics driver you are using.. maybe that is the difference between the 2 machines
[17:59] <puff> Unit193: Okay, rebooted (make my skin crawl, I feel all microsofty).  What would have been the appropriate wa to restart xfwm4?
[18:00] <Unit193> xfwm4 --replace
[18:00] <puff> xubuntu uses gnome?
[18:01] <crond> no, xfce
[18:13] <puff> crond: Ah, the light dawns.
[18:13] <kvarley> I cannot seem to install xubuntu 12.04. I get the following error "*** glibc *** python2.7: corrupted double-linked list". Any ideas?
[18:53] <lighta> oh what did happen ? I just did a update and xfce look like unity a bit, like for app windows
[18:56] <lighta> like no more border for app,some menu are buggy (thunderbird..)