[06:51] morning [06:51] apachelogger: sure put amarok beta on kubuntu.org if you want [06:57] hi guys is this type of warnings/notices somehow important? KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry _whatever_ in "some_desktop_filel.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon)? [07:01] jdrab: nope but feel free to add in the semicolon if it bothers you [07:02] ty Riddell [07:03] it doesn't bother me but it looks ugly in konsole :P [07:03] turn off debugging in kdebugdialog if it's annoying, it's off by default (or should be) for that reason [08:21] debfx: did you say there was a package missing a copying file? [08:22] Riddell: kde-base-artwork [08:23] and audiocd-kio doesn't have a license for its docs [08:24] same for libkcddb and probably some others [08:26] debfx: hum any idea where kde-base-artwork is upstream? [08:27] Riddell: it's in svn [08:27] apparently git can't handle large wallpapers [08:31] kde-base-artwork done [08:36] yay [08:37] so today is 4.8.4 release day and we have one broken and one semi-broken tarball ... [08:37] fun [08:40] debfx: is that actually going to be released? not waiting on more patches? [08:42] they are not public yet so there is still hope that they will be fixed [09:06] hi, are they packages for Kubuntu for 4.8.80? [09:08] annma: we're working on them, you need them by the weekend? [09:08] users ask them [09:08] well beta2 will be tagged [09:08] so no need to work on beta1 [09:09] I thought I saw a bug report from Kubuntu with 4.8.80 so I wanted to be sure there are none [09:09] oh there's still need, I'm fixing problems with beta 1 right now (upstream licencing, distro packaging etc) [09:09] no public ones yet [09:10] OK I'll answer the user, thanks a lot Riddell [09:21] bulldog98: what's "libpkgs_gen_strict_local_shlibs = kapman" ? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:35] nvm [09:41] bulldog98: why did you add that though? [09:52] hm, did DEB_NO_COMPRESSION=1 loose it's effect? Here all packages are xz compressed anyway. [10:54] kubotu: newversion digikam 2.6.0 http://sourceforge.net/projects/digikam/files/digikam/2.6.0/ [10:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009943 [10:54] Launchpad bug 1009943 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Please update digikam to 2.6.0" [Undecided,New] [11:07] Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'apturl %u'. [11:07] no goody goody [11:08] yofel: dunno, amarok had a manual xz entry [11:08] which then of course overrides whatever pkg-kde does [11:10] yofel: you need to set DEB_NO_XZ=1 [11:10] ah, thx [11:11] wah? [11:11] Oo [11:11] sicne when? [11:11] and why? [11:11] well, the current equivalent for DEB_NO_LZMA I guess [11:11] since I uploaded pkg-kde-tools to the ninjas ppa [11:11] it's not in the archive yet due to beta freeze [11:12] yeah, but where is that var name change from? [11:12] I changed the compression from lzma to xz [11:12] mhhh [11:12] debfx: please compat var handling [11:13] lzma is algorithm equivalent to xz, no point in explicitly requiring everyone to change their rcs [11:17] hm yeah we should change the var handling anyway [11:18] DEB_NO_COMPRESSION=1 shouldn't require DEB_NO_{XZ,LZMA} [11:20] * yofel wonders what the point of libkdegamesprivate is [11:20] it's full of public symbols, which were in libkdegames before mostly [11:20] * Peace- packaged on ppa plasma pannel collection [11:20] yofel: no abi compatibility usually? [11:21] yofel: share symbols across kde games, while not being abi compat [11:21] hence why it is private [11:21] nah, they bumped the SOVERSION of libkdegames to 6 [11:21] ^^ [11:21] yofel: because they moved the symbols [11:21] ah well, let's see what happens [11:22] apparently the symbols are only useful to a very specific set of apps in kdegames, so they created a lib for those symbols [11:24] ah, that makes sense then [11:30] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 155 * debian/ (22 files) (log message trimmed) [11:30] * New upstream beta release - drop packages for libraries that were removed [11:30] upstream: + libkggzgames4 + libkggzmod4 + libkggznet4 - switch libkdegames5a [11:46] Riddell: do we have a kde-l10n packaging equivalent for calligra-l10n or did you upload those by hand so far? [11:48] yofel: I think I just did it by hand [11:49] ok [11:49] bash for loops make it easy to do for me [11:49] yeah, that's what I'll do too unless you've got a script lying around? [11:50] I don't [11:50] k === dasKreech is now known as Daskreech [11:55] guys, have you got/considered writing a guide to "how to give us a bug report" eg: the info needed, the steps you would want doing / confirming before the bug even hits you [11:56] I'm struggling to guide someone in how to give you valid/solid info, and wondered if you had anything written up [11:58] there probabaly are bits but out of date [11:58] and hidden in a wiki somewhere [11:58] hum, we do have a bug reporting page, but that's so old it's better not to point people to that [11:59] I'm seeing some pretty big holes trying to guide this user, would it be helpful to put something together, I've certainly seem some obvious holes that would waste development time confirming [11:59] or is it not something that crops up often enough to warrent concern [11:59] I'm seeing it quite key because this users information is totally different than what he's putting in bug reports because he "didn't think" [12:00] but one user does not a problem make [12:00] the releavant page is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting - but that hasn't been updated since lucid or so, and it's mostly focused on apport which isn't the case today [12:01] and of course most bugs should go upstream unless you have reason to think it's a kubuntu specific one [12:01] that's probably more of a valid point than I'd considered [12:02] most of the issue I'm seeing shouldn't really be seen by someone working on the upstream process though as they are just nonsense and lacking solid info [12:02] that however is not your problem, thank you for the thoughts, [12:03] it is if we don't get bug reports upstream when they should be [12:03] I agree with that, but if the bug report to upstream is "I'm using kubuntu 12.10 and blah isn't working" then you find out it's a bodged 12.04 with some 12.10 packages and some manual hacks, it's a wate of everyones time [12:04] I'll ponder how to best address it [12:04] upstream should ideally have a page with info for each distro even if it's just a link back to us, but like the "where to download kde" question it's fiddly to solve right [12:04] that would be a good bit of info yes [12:04] or maybe each distro valide it's an upstream bug and pass on with solid info [12:04] but then that's a resource/time waste [12:05] yeah that's why we gave up on doing that [12:05] oh, so you did try that [12:06] that's still the preferred way in ubuntu and debian and the like, it means most bugs just end up rotting [12:08] that may explain the 20,0000000000000+ in launchpad [12:09] apachelogger: I can't forward everybody from #kubuntu-bugs to #kubuntu-devel without being an op in #kubuntu-devel according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuide#Forwarding_Users [12:09] (and my attempts at doing so) [12:10] ryanakca: I can get that sorted for you if you want ? [12:10] ikonia: Sure, if you want [12:10] ikonia: you have super powers on freenode? [12:10] it's fine if you're in the middle of it, but I needed to speak to some of the council chaps on something else so I can request it while I'm there [12:10] Riddell: ha ha, not at all [12:10] only certain channels [12:11] oh I can just give ryanakca ops on this channel but I don't recall how right now [12:11] /msg chanserv op ryanakca [12:11] methinks [12:11] oops [12:12] /msg chanserv op #kubuntu-devel ryanakca [12:12] 13:11 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Channel ryanakca is not registered. [12:12] (sorry missed out the name of the channel) [12:12] or /op ryanakca [12:12] ikonia: Feel like joining #kubuntu-bugs to test? [12:12] sure [12:13] 13:12 -!- Cannot join to channel #kubuntu-bugs (You are banned) [12:13] you sure...... [12:13] may want to check those settings ;) [12:13] /mode #kubuntu-bugs +b *@*$#kubuntu-devel [12:13] correct? [12:13] no no [12:13] that's a ban forward [12:13] you want a channel forward [12:14] there is a different syntax I think [12:14] ahhh I wonder if I can't join as I'm in here [12:14] hang on [12:14] perfect [12:14] there you go [12:14] works [12:15] I was already in here so it failed [12:15] ikonia: Excellent, thanks! [12:15] ikonia: Could you please remove ubot2 from -bugs ? [12:16] kubuntu-bugs [12:16] (just checking) [12:16] * ryanakca nods [12:16] no problem, just requested it's removal [12:17] take a few minutes [12:17] (only a few people have access to the physical server it runs on ) [12:17] ryanakca: can you do the same thing with #kubuntu-testers? That channel is equally useless [12:17] guys instead of forwarding, may I just suggest having them closed/set to invite only [12:18] although a forward is fine [12:19] yofel: I don't have access to that channel, only Hobbsee and mhb do. [12:19] ah [12:19] Given that nickserv hasn't seen mhb in over a year, Hobbsee is your only bet :) [12:22] * Riddell wonders how to give ryanakca permanant op powers [12:22] ryanakca: access list flats [12:22] /set [12:22] oops [12:22] that was meant for riddle cleawrly [12:22] clearly [12:24] /msg chanserv access #kubuntu-bugs add foo OP [12:24] methinks [12:24] where foo is the nick [12:24] ryanakca: done [12:25] Riddell: Thanks [12:32] ryanakca: that's useful to know, I didn't know op was an alias chanserv would take when setting flags [12:44] in docbooks, the authors don't automatically have the copyright over the docs, but only if they put themselves in the section as well, right? [12:46] yofel: I'm not sure what you mean, authors always have copyright over what they write (unless it's under employment) [12:46] but debian/copyright can't get every single author especially if they don't give themselves credit [12:47] Riddell: I'm wondering about the kmix one: http://paste.kde.org/494648 - only one author is in the copyright, and one copyright holder isn't in the authors section [12:47] so I'm wondering what to put in debian/copyright [12:47] Riddell: re under contract ... depends on the country [12:48] Riddell: e.g. france doesn't have copyright assignment [12:48] apachelogger: probably but I didn't say contract I said employment [12:49] it's not assignment it's just what happens with employment (in juristication I'm familiar with there's probably exceptions) [12:49] ah, true, though I don't remember the details anyway [12:49] yofel: Documentation copyright © 2010 Gaurav Chaturvedi [12:49] would be good enough for me [12:50] Riddell, yofel: how about just mentioning that documentation copyright lies with their individual authors? [12:51] as general purpose solution [12:51] well, I'm *trying* to use dep5, and that doesn't allow such a vague formulation. I'll just put them all in [12:51] yofel: it doesn't? [12:52] I wouldn't accept that in debian/copyright as an archive admin, a name is better than just "whoever wrote it" [12:52] yofel: Formatted text, no synopsis: one or more free-form copyright statement(s). [12:53] ah, true [12:53] Riddell: both the source and the compiled html contains the information [12:53] * yofel re-reads [12:53] Riddell: explicitly stating the copyright [12:53] apachelogger: that's exactly what the copyright file should tell you though without reading those [12:57] say documentation was initially written 5 years ago by 3 people, translated in 15 languages, the software was since released twice a year every year, betwen releases per language one additional author slammed in a piece of new documentation [12:57] that is 153 attributions for documentation alone [12:58] apply the same to translations you have 303 attributions for localization [13:00] imagine that is dragon ... which has something like 5k sloc, and ~5 attributed copyright holders [13:05] say one attribution check takes you on average one minute, after 5 years you spend 300 minutes checking attributions on a signle package :P [13:07] hey all [13:07] * yofel blelieve he spent 300 minutes just checking attribution in nepomuk-core *once* [13:07] *believes -.- [13:08] my point exactly [13:08] aso what the policy says about that [13:08] "In addition, the copyright file must say where the upstream sources (if any) were obtained, and should name the original authors." [13:08] mind the should and authors [13:09] attributed copyright holder ~= author, if you want to do it properly you'd have to also track unattributed contributions by going through the vcs or something :P [13:09] are we going to bother uploading beta1 to quantal? If not I won't repackage stuff to add license copies [13:10] yofel: is sufficient stuff packaged to make it testable? [13:10] * apachelogger should pack -.- [13:10] from what I see only multimedia stuff is missing [13:10] and broken bindings [13:11] throw it in some public PPA then so people can do testing, then upload b2 to quantal [13:11] +1 [13:11] oh, isn't b2 tagging today? [13:12] it is IIRC [13:12] we *should* hurry up a bit ^^ [13:12] * apachelogger points out that unlike ubuntu kde actually has an ics file :P [13:13] yofel: no time to hurry up, must attribute documenters in detail :P [13:13] well, so far nepomuk is the only license mess I've encountered [13:13] rest is ~fine~ [13:25] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kmix] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (15 files in 4 dirs) import kmix packaging [13:38] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer] Philip Muškovac * 34 * debian/ (changelog control rules) * New upstream beta release * Drop transitional kdegraphics-strigi-plugins package, moved to meta-kde * Add -dbg package [14:43] so after alpha1 today we're set to start uploading 4.8.80 to the archive? [14:45] yep [14:45] well once 4.8.80 is done and tested in ninjas [14:50] I guess I'll run a test install from ninjas then ;-) [14:53] hmm, dist-upgrade w/ ninjas wants to remove kubuntu-desktop [14:54] Depends: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, but it is not installable [14:54] uh oh [14:54] ah, I'll add in a transition package for that then [14:57] kdepim done? [14:57] (that's what I'm waiting for before upgrading) [14:57] yofel: worked for me yes [15:06] I hope someone is still running 4.8.3 to test 4.8.4 once kdepim finished building :) [15:11] My computer at work has 4.8.3, but I've been out sick yesterday and today, so I've not been able to test [15:11] debfx, yes , I'm also on 12.10 tho [15:13] * JontheEchidna runs off to town to get some more cold medicine [15:17] yofel: that’s for the kapman to be linked against the libkdegamesprivate [15:18] yofel: for making it depend against the exact version of that, that’s what the debian guys told me to do with libkdegamesprivate [15:43] Hello, I installed Rocs on Precise, and the toolbar buttons don't have icons: http://imageshack.us/f/232/rocsprecise.png/ [15:45] sounds like a beastie [15:45] the icons are installed, but Rocs doesn't use them [15:46] fun, I have those, but here rocs itself has no application icon [15:46] that's an upstream bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299332 [15:46] KDE bug 299332 in icons "Application Icon for Rocs" [Wishlist,New: ] [15:47] some icons exists [15:47] Top Center Base Left Right have icons [15:48] ulysses: what does Torles mean? [15:48] annma_: Delete [15:48] it has an icon [15:48] what version is it? [15:49] Rocs 1.6.0, KDE 4.8.3, Qt 4.8.1 [15:49] release? [15:49] (kubuntu) [15:49] Kubuntu 12.04 with standard repositories [15:49] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/07/plasma-desktopCOj699.png [15:50] 1.60 KDE 4.8.3 [15:51] ulysses: the bug report you mentioned is for the Application icon, not the toolbar icons [15:58] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 39 * debian/ (changelog control) Add meta package for kdemultimedia [16:02] annma_: I see [16:26] no idea or question? [16:27] annma_: I wanted to mention this bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299332 [16:27] KDE bug 299332 in icons "Application Icon for Rocs" [Wishlist,New: ] [16:27] but that is still not relevant [16:28] this is the application icon [16:28] not the toolbar icons [16:29] the application icon is the one that appears in the K menu and on top left of the window [16:29] all toolbar icons exist [16:29] you saw my screenshot, right? === annma_ is now known as annma [16:30] yes, I saw, and the toolbar icons exist here too, but Rocs doesn't use them [16:31] those icons are specific for rocs [16:31] so Kubuntuis missing them or your installation is wrong [16:32] the icons are in /usr/share/kde4/apps/rocs/icons/hicolor/ [16:35] for me they are in $KDEDIR/share/apps/rocs/icons/hicolor/ [16:35] $KDEDIR is like your /usr [16:36] mine is different [16:36] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/audiocd-kio] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (changelog control rules) * drop direct dependency on libkcddb4 for audiocd-kio * make transitional package pull audiocd-kio in * add debug package [16:36] $KDEDIR is empty for me [16:36] that's unset by default [16:37] ulysses: $KDEDIR doe snot matter here [16:37] the rest of the path matters [16:37] you have a kde4/ I don't have it [16:37] in the path [16:38] I build and install from kde sources [16:38] I installed with the package manager [16:39] look in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ for other programs that have an icons/ folder and look if those other programs show their icons [16:40] I am saying that it is either a packaging bug or on your installation something is wrong [16:40] you need to find out what is wrong as the icons are there [16:41] Dolphin has a dolphinui.rc, Kate has 16x16 icons, Okular has 16x16 and 32x32 icons [16:42] only apps with specific icons will have icons there [16:43] generic icons are elsewhere [16:43] Kate has only generic icons [16:43] try another Edu app if you have one, KLettres for example [16:43] apt-cache policy rocs says it is 4.8.2 [16:44] but kate is 4.8.3 e.g [16:48] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/audiocd-kio] Philip Muškovac * 4 * debian/copyright fix copyright syntax [16:53] I asked someone to install Rocs, he has Ubuntu and the icons appears for him === annma_ is now known as annma [16:57] annma: KLettres screenshot: http://imageshack.us/f/189/kelttres.png/ [16:57] same [16:57] icons missing [16:58] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/audiocd-kio] Philip Muškovac * 5 * debian/ (7 files) * add libaudiocdplugins4 and audiocd-kio-dev packages * add missing install files * used versioned breaks/replaces against kdemultimedia-kio-plugins [16:58] the icons exist since ages, I am the KLettresdevel so I know [16:58] ulysses: your installation has a problem [16:59] strange [17:09] ::workspace-bugs:: [1004593] LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1004593 (by Abraham Mara) [17:09] Launchpad bug 1004593 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several versions" [Undecided,Opinion] [17:13] apachelogger: did you make kubotu overly verbose? [17:14] must be analog LFE [17:16] Riddell: while dep5 is lax in a few places, please note that the rule for empty lines is the same as in the control file [17:17] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ffmpegthumbs] Philip Muškovac * 2 * debian/ (changelog control copyright) * add libswscale-dev and pkg-config to build-depends * fix copyright syntax [18:01] * yofel dives into 4.8.80 [18:05] my upgrade's almost done, so far so good [18:06] I don't think I've ever had a KDE +1 release go so smoothly. :) [18:19] re [18:20] kde-base-artwork is missing and according to the widget I have no battery, but works otherwise [18:24] (the upgrade went without errors btw XD) [18:24] the battery missing is fixed [18:24] we reverted a commit [18:25] ah, then perfect :) [18:25] the Quality Team we set up is working hard [18:28] if yo uhave bugs to submit don't forget to set up the version and if it's a regression you can add the keyword "regression" [18:39] will do [18:42] yofel: strangely enough that bug was present in neon as well [18:42] oh wait, it's in KDE 4.8.3 as well [18:42] nvm [18:49] O_O [18:50] yofel: is all of 4.8.80 done? [18:50] most of it so it's upgradable [18:50] ... [18:50] oh, pairs is missig [18:50] mmm [18:50] *missing [18:51] yofel: are you working on calligra/digikam? [18:51] anybody knows if gtalk is working on old good kopete? [18:51] (Kubuntu 12.04) [18:51] it should [18:51] calligra, feel free to take digikam if you want, but make it close #885324 [18:51] shadeslayer: can you test it? or are youusing it? [18:51] yeah, I was looking at that bug :) [18:51] because it doesn't for me, no error so far [18:51] afiestas: let me test [18:52] thx [18:52] afiestas: which KDE version? [18:52] mm whatever kubuntu 12.04 has [18:52] in master it works for sure I have it configured in my workstation for when ktp breaks xd [18:56] afiestas: yes, wfm [18:56] wfm? [18:56] Mamarok: Happy Birthday! :D [18:56] afiestas: works for em [18:56] s/em/me/ [18:56] shadeslayer meant: "afiestas: works for me" [18:57] shadeslayer: thank you, you are just 3 hours early :) [18:57] stupid humans and their time zones [18:57] shadeslayer: talk.google.com, 5223 and al 3 checkboxes checked? [18:57] afiestas: heh, yeah :D [18:57] pse [18:57] maybe after update [18:58] afiestas: this is on 4.8.3 [18:58] after all the fine-tunning I've done to my worksation, KDE defaults seems mmmm [18:59] don't wanna say something ugly but ,mmmm moderately horrible? [18:59] xD [18:59] for my taste ofc [19:02] afiestas: docs or stfu :P [19:03] starbuck: I'd rather do patches to change the defaults :p [19:04] since I will have to work on the laptop for the rest of the week I will have time to check what I have changed in the workstation and needs to be changed upstream [19:09] Riddell, Alpha 1's now published. [19:16] shadeslayer: update + restart fixed the kopete thing [19:16] heh [19:16] let's see if rekonq wants to play youtube videos now (sans flash) [19:17] doubt it [19:17] my 4.8.80 upgrade seems to have gone well :) [19:17] aside from the battery regression mentioned earlier [19:19] what's is this package-updater pckager? [19:19] battery bug report is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301033 [19:19] KDE bug 301033 in widget-battery "Battery Not present" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] [19:19] hah [19:19] those black buttons look so out of place [19:19] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/07/plasma-windoweddT2070.png [19:20] afiestas: that'll download flash for you [19:20] I didn't ask for it :S [19:21] apparently you did... [19:21] I mean, I click on the thing because it said "updates" [19:21] and I do want updates, I don't consider flash one xD [19:24] yofel, Riddell: now that the archive is open again and we have (at least) two confirmed good upgrades to 4.8.80 from ninjas, I'll start uploading the packages to quantal [19:24] feel free to join in ;-) [19:24] yofel: any reason why you have a copyright in digikam-2.5.0/debian/copyright ? [19:24] JontheEchidna: wait [19:25] ok [19:25] pairs should be added to kdeutils metapackage in meta-kde [19:25] it's not packaged yet though [19:25] but adding it should be fine [19:26] that would technically make the kdeutils package uninstallable [19:26] shadeslayer: because we never merged from debian after I re-packaged 2.0 I think [19:26] okie [19:26] and I've dumped copyright assignment [19:26] wouldn't it be better to wait until it's packaged, and then do a new release of meta-kde with paris included? [19:26] s/paris/pairs [19:27] well, currently meta-kde has kdemultimedia too, which is uninstallable as well until audiocd-kio is through SOURCE NEW [19:27] Hi just checking in on the build status for KDE 4.8.80 [19:27] so I don't think it matters much [19:27] Daskreech: we're just discussing what's left [19:27] we'll have held packages in any case [19:28] yeah, probably not that important in an alpha [19:28] hm [19:29] JontheEchidna: sorry, pairs is kdeedu [19:29] ah, right [19:29] I'll start by throwing kde4libs up, then your or me or whoever can do the meta-kde update [19:29] shadeslayer: ah that's what I was picking up on :) [19:30] I'll do it then [19:30] sounds good [19:31] yofel: do we remove the "a" suffix on the upstream versions? [19:31] I don't think so [19:31] ok [19:32] that would kind of screw -ninjas users [19:32] did we have anything new otherwise? kdemultimedia is there, I added paris, and kde-base-artwork belongs into kubuntu-meta IMO [19:33] I think that's it for new stuff [19:34] *pairs [19:34] * yofel wonders how often he already mistyped that... [19:34]