[10:45] <zniavre>  #931630
[10:55] <eagles0513875> zniavre: bug 931630
[11:11] <ikonia> eagles0513875: did you progress your issue ok ?
[11:12] <eagles0513875> ikonia: seems like i kinda made a mess of things reinstalling the netbook package and then switching to the netbook layout
[11:12] <eagles0513875> i have the normal desktop menu bar on the bottom with the k menu and all as well as the netbook menubar which crashes on login
[11:12] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok, so despite that it seems like you have made progress to narrow it down
[11:13] <eagles0513875> correct that the issue is the the netbook transition package i haven't tried anything else today sadly
[11:13] <ikonia> I don't think the issue is the transistion package
[11:13] <ikonia> that's not going to cause an applet to crash
[11:13] <ikonia> (applet - bad wording)
[11:14] <ikonia> the netbook package is just a meta package, that won't cause applications to crash
[11:17] <eagles0513875> ok thing is on instant crash there is no back trace or anything
[11:22] <ikonia> you don't have to get a back trace
[11:22] <ikonia> eagles0513875: lets get a plan together here,
[11:22] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:22] <ikonia> eagles0513875: 1.) do you know if anyone else has confirmed the issue with the netbook layout
[11:23] <eagles0513875> sadly not i can't find anyone else with a netbook :(
[11:23] <ikonia> ok, that would be really helpful, to get another netbook user to confirm the issue and anything similar/different
[11:23] <ikonia> have you hit a few people up on the mailing list/irc
[11:24] <ikonia> does the issue occur if you use a laptop/desktop and install the netbook layout ?
[11:25] <eagles0513875> actually forgot about the mailing list
[11:25] <ikonia> not a crime
[11:25] <ikonia> what about the other stuff, does it work on a laptop if you use the netbook layout ?
[11:26] <eagles0513875> but I'm having issues with that no mode set which i have to figure out how I'm going to tackle but thats not related to the current discussion
[11:26] <ikonia> I told you how to fix the nomodeset issue
[11:26] <ikonia> you must have another machine to try a kubuntu netbook layout install on ?
[11:27] <ikonia> hell, would you like me to try it on a vm I have running on my laptop now ?
[11:28] <eagles0513875> ikonia: the problem with vms at least from what i have seen bugs that surface on physical hardware don't surface at all on virtual machines and vice versa
[11:28] <eagles0513875> but ill go ahead and setup a vm :)
[11:28] <ikonia> eagles0513875: do you think this is a hardware problem ? as 2 minutes ago you thought it was a problem with a meta package?
[11:29] <eagles0513875> i don't think so
[11:29] <ikonia> hand on heart, where do you think the issue lies from what you have seen far
[11:29] <eagles0513875> this netbook is fairly new and in great condition
[11:29] <eagles0513875> its a package just not sure what exactly the package is :(
[11:29] <ikonia> hardware problem does mean "broken hardware" it could be an incompatability
[11:30] <ikonia> ok - let me get a vm image running and you can walk me through it,
[11:30] <ikonia> give me a few minutes
[11:30] <ikonia> are you running 32 or 64bit ?
[11:30] <eagles0513875> ikonia: 11.10 worked fine on the netbook desktop
[11:30] <eagles0513875> 32bit
[11:30] <ikonia> right and you're using 12.10 ?
[11:31] <eagles0513875> correct
[11:31] <eagles0513875> i noticed the menubar issue in 12.04
[11:31] <ikonia> ok, lets stick with what you're currently running
[11:32] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:32] <ikonia> exactly which install image are you using so I grab the same one
[11:33] <eagles0513875> i did the net install
[11:33] <ikonia> ughhh
[11:33] <ikonia> despite me telling you multiple times not to
[11:33] <ikonia> I'll just use the standard 12.10 current image
[11:35] <ikonia> there is no 12.10 kubuntu-netbook image I can find, give me a minute or two
[11:36] <ikonia> fine, I'll use the net installer
[11:36] <ikonia> eagles0513875: which/where did you get the netinstaller image you are using
[11:37] <eagles0513875> oops meant the alternate cd
[11:37] <eagles0513875> which is technically the net install
[11:37] <ikonia> the altnernave cd is NOT the net instrall
[11:37] <ikonia> there is nothing "net install" abou it
[11:37] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:37] <ikonia> please be %100 clear - what are you using
[11:37] <eagles0513875> i forgot that they took the net install down
[11:38] <ikonia> so which cd image are you using, link me to it
[11:39] <eagles0513875> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[11:39] <eagles0513875> then the 32bit alternate cd option
[11:39] <ikonia> ok
[11:40] <ikonia> eagles0513875: that is NOT 12.10 !!!!!P
[11:40] <eagles0513875> then i did a manual upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 by changing the sources list
[11:40] <ikonia> I am getting REALLY annoyed with this now
[11:40] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why did you upgrade to 12.10 ?
[11:41] <eagles0513875> was hoping to contribute this cycle to the project
[11:41] <ikonia> contribute to the cycle ???
[11:41] <ikonia> sorry, I'm backing out of this you need to grow up
[11:41] <eagles0513875> ok. ill do further testing on a vm myself
[11:41] <ikonia> I'll test the 12.04 issue with you
[11:42] <ikonia> you're just making an invalid test case
[11:42] <eagles0513875> ?
[11:42] <ikonia> is the issue on 12.04 currently ?
[11:42] <eagles0513875> initially my netbook was on 12.04 and it was there
[11:42] <eagles0513875> yes
[11:42] <ikonia> right, so focus on that
[11:42] <eagles0513875> ok well i don't want to waste your time ill setup a vm after lunch and test it out on there
[11:42] <ikonia> that is the active distro, that is LTS
[11:42] <ikonia> if there is a fix it will get fed into the other releases, focus on what's real
[11:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's not so much my time I'm bothered about (although I don't enjoy having it wasted) it's others like the development time you're wasting
[11:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you need to get solid and valid test results
[11:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the more you just amble on giving random bits of info the more invalid/lucid it becomes
[11:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:43] <ikonia> work with me here on the 12.04 issue, we can move to 12.10 if needed to confirm the issue
[11:44] <ikonia> can you get a clean 12.04 image on your netbook, is that possible ?
[11:44] <eagles0513875> i can reinstall just have to backup a few things
[11:44] <ikonia> is that possible now (while I'm downloading the CD ?)
[11:45] <eagles0513875> i need to download the cd and was going to leave that downloading while i go have lunch
[11:45] <ikonia> ok, I'm downloading the CD now
[11:45] <ikonia> can you please ping me when you return so you can walk me through the issue please.
[11:46] <eagles0513875> sure thing
[11:46] <ikonia> thank you
[12:14] <edgy> Hi, I have precise dual boot with windows and now wants to install quantal alongside. I will create an lv_root, lv_home and then boot from the liveCD and choose the / and /home to point to the previouse volumes, is that OK?
[12:37] <tbf> is there a reason for making libboost-1.46-dev and libboost-1.48-dev conflict with each other? how about making them parallel installable?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hey all
[13:47] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ping
[13:47] <eagles0513875> ikonia: about to make my bootable usb
[13:55] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ahhh great, I'm installing at the moment
[13:56] <eagles0513875> turns out the download didn't complete, only partially :( redownloading the iso now. :(
[13:58] <eagles0513875> ikonia: do you mind if i ask you what might sound like a stupid question
[14:02] <ikonia> always
[14:02] <ikonia> (as in never a problem)
[14:04] <eagles0513875> whats the point of having a netbook desktop when the standard kde layout work just fine and i feel at times out performs the netbook one
[14:05] <ikonia> it works fine for you
[14:05] <ikonia> others like different things
[14:05] <ikonia> your view/experience does not represent everyones elses, others may find it performs worse, or like a different layout better
[14:05] <ikonia> personally I don't like netbook layouts, but then again, that's just me
[14:06] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i actually agree with you
[14:07] <eagles0513875> one thing i have noticed which is odd as of 12.04 in system settings there is no way to disable the track pad
[14:07] <eagles0513875> on ones laptop/netbook
[14:08] <ikonia> I'm not really a kde user, so I don't know about things like that
[14:08] <eagles0513875> not a problem
[14:08] <eagles0513875> another question. i had tried unity
[14:08] <eagles0513875> nm scratch that question
[14:08] <ikonia> ok
[14:11] <eagles0513875> 5 min to go for the redownload of the iso to complete
[14:12] <ikonia> I'm still installing as I was tight with the ammount of ram and cpu I have the machine
[14:14] <eagles0513875> all my netbook is is a hyper threaded atom with 2gb of ram
[14:15] <ikonia> eagles0513875: lets move this to #kubuntu as we are not discussing 12.10 at this time
[14:15] <eagles0513875> ikonia: read my mind :D
[16:22] <iceroot> hi
[16:22] <iceroot> is it a bug or a feature that the auto-mounter is using /run/media/username instead of /media/ for removable devices?
[20:00] <DrHalan> hey guys. i was wondering if there is already a version of UbuntuTV to try out
[21:12] <edgy> Hi, I tried to import a file to muon that contaim package names and now I got "'The package system could not be initialized, your configuration may be broken.". I guess the file is not in the proper format but how can I get muon back? I closed and restart but getting the same error.
[23:05] <alex_mayorga> How broken is Quetzal?
[23:07] <FernandoMiguel> not much
[23:08] <FernandoMiguel> one of my machines is having probs with cups
[23:08] <FernandoMiguel> other then that, it's fine
[23:08] <FernandoMiguel> sound is very low.....
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> FernandoMiguel: Is it alpha 1 yet?
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> I usually jump in right after the 1st alpha
[23:22] <FernandoMiguel> long ago
[23:37] <alex_mayorga> Not that long ago according to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing