[01:24] <ClientAlive>  sorry, but I've been looking all over for the answer to a really stupid question. Just that I don't want to 'assume' anything. If I'm exporting a directory on a logical volume through nfs, and if one of my clients will be windoz, do I have to format the logical volume in something like fat or ntfs?
[01:26] <Unit193> You are asking if the host has to use NTFS/Fat to share, over NFS, to windows, right?  Answer is no, but windows can't read from NFS by default last I knew.
[01:28] <ClientAlive> sort of, I guess
[01:29] <ClientAlive> The directory I want to share with my vm clients will be on a logical volume. In order to put a directory on a logical volume I imagine I have to format it with some file system. One of my vm's is win 7, the others are *nix
[01:32] <ClientAlive> I've spent several days looking around on the internet, been on #networking, #ubuntu, and no luck so far. I guess I can do the ol' trial and error bit but that sux.
[01:36] <Unit193> Well, since ntfs-3g is pretty good nowdays, you could just use NTFS and be done...
[01:38] <ClientAlive> yeah
[01:38] <ClientAlive> suppose the only reason it's even a question for me is I would prefer to use a linux fs. Ah well
[01:39] <ClientAlive> then can my *nix guests read the ntfs share?
[01:40] <Unit193> Should be able to, if I understand what you're trying to do.
[01:41] <ClientAlive> just trying to set up a shared storage space for all my vm's is all. Just that one windows outlier throwing a wrench in things  :>
[01:41] <ClientAlive> so to format ntfs-3g you do a "mkfs.ntfs"   ??
[01:41] <ClientAlive> or is it something diff?
[01:42] <Unit193> ntfs-3g is a driver for linux to write to NTFS partitions, you may as well use gparted, but then again you typically just go into the virtualmachine's settings and set a folder as shared with it, at least you do in VBox.
[01:44] <ClientAlive> hmm...  Now, what you just said, is something else I had wondered about. I'm running kvm and use virt-manager. virt-manager has some configuration area for that but I don't know anything about it.
[01:44] <Unit193> Not used kvm, too lazy, sorry.
[01:46] <ClientAlive> is virtual box pretty good these days? I remember you had to install some extra thing before (about a year ago now) in order to get devices working and to free your pointer and such.
[01:47] <Unit193> "GuestAdditions" now are easily installable from jockey. :D
[01:49] <ClientAlive> that's what it was: GuestAdditions
[01:51] <ClientAlive> right on
[01:51] <ClientAlive> Well thanks man. Peace out...
[10:26] <DarkSim> Hello
[10:29] <DarkSim> Is anyone here?
[11:27] <DarkSim> Nuking my installation
[13:51] <Bentheplantguy> Need help mounting external drive.  No /media/external mount point.  fdisk -l  not showing device
[14:06] <geirha> Bentheplantguy: does it work elsewhere?
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> dmesg shows "[ 1292.952107] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4219.289871] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, address 3
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4250.052035] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4393.020626] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, address 4
[14:06] <Bentheplantguy> [ 4399.636033] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5"
[14:07] <holstein> !paste
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[14:08] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would plug the drive in, and i would run in a terminal "sudo fdisk -l" without the quotes
[14:08] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would do as geirha is suggesting and try it on another machine
[14:10] <Bentheplantguy> don't have one on had.  but i think i tried another machine before.  not recognizing.  i think my old dell crashed a while ago which resulted in unsafe unmounting of device.  fdisk -l only shows internal HD partition.  Am i screwed?  i don't care about any info on the device, i just need to get stuff on my machine backed up
[14:14] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: you have a lot of "think" up there.. if you have access to *any* machine, maybe a friends machine, or some public one, you could save yourself a lot of hassle... if the stick doesnt work on multiple machines, you can pretty safely assume the stick is bad
[14:14] <Bentheplantguy> WD 3T external
[14:15] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: its just an external drive... *all* drives fail.. id say, that drive could be bad, but i wouldnt say that means you are "screwed" in any way
[14:15] <Bentheplantguy> can I format drive even though i can't mount it, then start mount from scratch?  if fdisk -l isn't listing a name, then i don't know how to force mount.
[14:17] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: its the drive is broken, or damaged, it might not show up... if its not showing up, you cant mount it.. i would use a CD such as the ultimate boot CD, or gparted live, and see if you can see it
[14:17] <holstein> if its broken, its broken.. you can format a broken drive
[14:18] <Bentheplantguy> cannot* ?
[14:19] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: correct..
[14:19] <Bentheplantguy> damn....
[14:19] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would use a live CD and see if you see the drive, and test it
[14:19] <holstein> i dont trust hard drive tests unless they take 2 hours :)
[14:20] <Bentheplantguy> what do you mean use a live CD?  and how do i test it?
[14:20] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: one of the live CD's i mentioned above
[14:21] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ for example... you boot with it, and test the drive in question.. assuming it's showing up
[14:22] <holstein> but, this is not always as simple as it sounds.. theres a reason why the hardware tech at your local shop would charge you for this test
[14:24] <ImWidUonDat> QUESTION PLEASE:  I am new at Linux.  Want to set up: dual boot Win7 and Ubuntu Precise Pangolin (12.04) -  with LAMP for a website testing environment.   Reasons I should install server edition versus desktop edition?
[14:24] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: ubuntuserver *is* ubuntu
[14:25] <ImWidUonDat> Isn't there a choice between desktop and server only edition?  I am wondering if the desktop might just be "in the way".
[14:25] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: if you want a desktop enivronment, you might want to install ubuntu, xubuntu or kubuntu... one of the distros that come with a destkop environment
[14:25] <Bentheplantguy> yeah, i'm a bit rural...  it isn't showing up, that's the problem.  /media wasn't automounting a /media/external folder.  so i kmdir /media/external.  unplug/replug device.  spins up, but nothing is recognized.  dmesg shows device auto-disconnecting.
[14:25] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: desktop is not "in the way" if you need a desktop
[14:25] <ImWidUonDat> About a week ago I installed the desktop version on an old laptop.
[14:25] <Bentheplantguy> I'll try ultimate boot and see if that gets me anywhere
[14:26] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: you can run any/all server services on a desktop machine
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Now I am ready to do a dual boot on my desktop computer - but want to use the ubuntu mainly for testing a wordpress website.
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Just don't know if the server only edition is too technical.
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Wondered if you had any suggestions.
[14:26] <ImWidUonDat> Thx
[14:26] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: its not a bad way to get started.. also some of these were helpful to me, since they are live and ubuntu based http://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[14:27] <holstein> ImWidUonDat: i see no issue with having a desktop edition to get started
[14:27] <holstein> i have command line only boxes that run headless with no desktops, but i didnt start that way
[14:29] <ImWidUonDat> Holstein:  Thank you for the link.  I will check it out.  It sounds like perhaps I should install the desktop until I am more familiar with it.
[14:30] <stlsaint> i love turnkey boxes. using one now for LAMP :D
[14:31] <holstein> yup.. and i discovered a lot of software from trying those turnkeys that i probably wouldnt have found on my own
[14:35] <stlsaint> +1
[14:40] <Bentheplantguy> HD boots to MAC device.  but sudo fdisk -l still doesn't recognize
[14:40] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: mac device?
[14:41] <Bentheplantguy> macbook
[14:42] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l wont work in OSX... i would use the disk utility in OSX to format the drive to something friendly like FAT
[14:44] <Bentheplantguy> no no, i plugged it into a mac, and it auto mounted.  i safe ejected and plugged it back into my ubuntu Dell.  sudo fdisk still doesn't recognize.  so hard drive isn't shot, there's just something wrong with my ... OS kernel?
[14:45] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: maybe
[14:45] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would just do this though...
[14:46] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: plug it in where it is recognized, in OSX, and format it to something friendly.. like FAT
[14:46] <holstein> likely not a kernel issue that makes that one device not "show up"
[14:47] <holstein> try it in other USB ports
[14:49] <Bentheplantguy> tried other ports, and ran dmesg and fdisk.  same results.  going to format in OSX.  does FAT 16 or 32 make a difference?
[15:10] <Bentheplantguy> "Disk Erase failed with the error Invalid request"  Is there another way to format?
[15:56] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: if its failing, you might have issues like that
[15:56] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: if you see it in OSX, test it, and format it there
[15:57] <holstein> format it to literally whatever you can get it to format to... i would try blanking it, or try FAT32
[17:03] <bobweaver> ok it is uploading says 3 min left there ae somethings that I left out that need to also be put into video more about the dash like filter options I fogot and also work-space-switch I will make 2nd video that will have all that in i t
[17:03] <bobweaver> what is up with the r key on this keyboard :\
[17:04] <bobweaver> but I would like as much feed back as possible thanks
[17:04] <bobweaver> oh this is the wrong channel lol
[17:04] <bobweaver> facepalm
[17:19] <datadave> hello
[17:20] <bobweaver> hello datadave
[17:21] <datadave> hey, not sure if im in the right place, but i am v new to this ubuntu and want to learn and have a play
[17:22] <bobweaver> sure I will brb have to switch computers
[17:22] <datadave> also trying to deal with the kids too so might be slow in responding
[17:24] <holstein> datadave: is it installed?
[17:24] <holstein> if not, look at and play around with the LIVE CD.. even if it is installed, the live CD is a great place to play around since you cant permanently break anything
[17:25] <holstein> you can also make a seperate user account to "break", or try things in the guest account that is included
[17:25] <datadave> yep am running 12.04
[17:25] <holstein> if you dont want to learn by trial and error, or breaking things, then i say, just take it slow, and try to get some tasks accomplished in ubuntu
[17:26] <datadave> thats what i would like. but what i dont know is what it can do and i dodnt know what i dont know if you know what i mean :-)
[17:27] <holstein> well, you are on here.. thats one thing
[17:27] <bobweaver> datadave,  learn Unity keyboard shortcuts
[17:27] <bobweaver> lots of fun to play with
[17:27] <holstein> open a web browser and search around, thats another...
[17:27] <datadave> i also having running on  dell d600 crappy laptop. will it perform ok? not bothered about games
[17:27] <holstein> playing a CD.. play a DVD..
[17:27] <bobweaver> datadave,  search this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzlSOcncqQ8&feature=youtu.be
[17:28] <datadave> i have downloaded torrents etc
[17:28] <bobweaver> ahh I have a d610 running
[17:28] <bobweaver> 12.04
[17:28] <datadave> cool
[17:28] <holstein> datadave: running "ok" is up to you.. i could do quite a bit on that hardware, but you might find it unacceptable
[17:28] <datadave> i am not sure what i want to do with it really
[17:29] <holstein> datadave: yup.. so take your time, and see what comes up
[17:29] <bobweaver> datadave,  you have all the extra cool stuff installed ?
[17:29] <datadave> he kids need to use a windows laptop for school so this is for me to play on
[17:29] <bobweaver> aka ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:29] <datadave> how do i install that?
[17:29] <bobweaver> open software center
[17:30] <datadave> yep
[17:30] <bobweaver> in search bar enter
[17:30] <bobweaver> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:30] <bobweaver> click on package and install
[17:30] <bobweaver> :)
[17:30] <datadave> whats in it?
[17:31] <bobweaver> this will install flash and all the ms fonts needed for libreoffice extra
[17:31] <bobweaver> and java stuff
[17:31] <holstein> datadave: i would also suggest a bit of a "look before you leap" mentality
[17:31] <holstein> not that theres anything wrong with that metapackage...
[17:32] <holstein> arguably, if you dont need java, then you are creating an unecessarly security risk
[17:32] <bobweaver> that metapackage is great but holstein  is right you should look
[17:33] <datadave> thats on its way thank you. is libraoffice any good>
[17:33] <holstein> i usually just install ubuntu-restricted-extras though... it simiplifies getting flash and other things working
[17:33] <holstein> datadave: libreoffic is *not* word... i think its the best product available
[17:33] <holstein> if you want word, use word
[17:33] <holstein> libreoffice is awesome
[17:34] <datadave> is it like ms office?
[17:34] <bobweaver> you can see all the packages info that you need with some commands
[17:34] <holstein> datadave: its not ms office
[17:34] <datadave> ok cool, such as?
[17:34] <holstein> its not ms word
[17:34] <holstein> its much better in my opinion
[17:34] <bobweaver> open terminal  (ctrl+alt+t )
[17:34] <bobweaver> apt-cache search <program >
[17:35] <bobweaver> like
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache search ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> also
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache policy  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> woops
[17:35] <bobweaver> apt-cache dump policy  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:35] <bobweaver> that is better
[17:35] <bobweaver> that will give you alot information about packages
[17:36] <datadave> are packages like .exe files?
[17:36] <bobweaver> kinda
[17:36] <bobweaver> we use deb
[17:36] <bobweaver> they are are binarys
[17:36] <datadave> aah, so deb are exe files per se
[17:38] <datadave> you can tell im a newbie...haha
[17:39] <bobweaver> kinda
[17:39] <bobweaver> but there are little things that are different
[17:39] <bobweaver> not that imporant at this stage that you are at
[17:45] <bobweaver> the imporant thing that i think that most users should learn and could be wrong here. But learn that Ubuntu is not hard in fact can be easy. You can use Ubuntu with pout the terminal all you like and I encourge that for the 1st couple of weeks. but search software center install some cool stuff. There is also Ubuntu advantage it is 105 usd a year and it is great support  you may look into that also for your 1st year as a Ubuntu use
[17:45] <bobweaver> r it is a great program and "feeds the fuel" for Ubuntu hiring developers and testers and well just about everything
[17:47] <datadave> blimey. crashed on me
[17:48] <datadave> i need to put kids to bed so back soon.
[17:49] <bobweaver> blimey ?
[17:49] <bobweaver> !info blimey
[17:49] <datadave> as i was saying earlier, id like to read up on a book like ubuntu for dummies etc etc
[17:49] <datadave> !info blimey?? eh?
[17:49] <bobweaver> there are great books in the software center
[17:49] <bobweaver> datadave,  that was for the bot
[17:49] <bobweaver> but it did  not pick it up
[17:49] <bobweaver> !bot
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[17:50] <datadave> i dont follow you?
[17:50] <bobweaver> not important
[17:50] <datadave> am i being a dumbass?
[17:50] <bobweaver> No
[17:50] <bobweaver> not at all
[17:50] <bobweaver> :)
[17:51] <bobweaver> so there is a bot that we use in this channel
[17:51] <datadave> oh right
[17:51] <bobweaver> and also other channels to help us sometimes
[17:51] <datadave> i suppose these kids need to go to bed. back soon ish
[17:51] <bobweaver> cya have fun :>)
[17:52] <datadave> yeah, they are going mental. are u in the US?
[17:52] <datadave> im in MAnchester UK
[17:55] <bobweaver> I am in the states yes
[17:57] <bobweaver> datadave,  http://madlab.org.uk/content/tag/manlug/
[17:58] <bobweaver> http://ubuntu-uk.org/
[18:00] <bobweaver> There also looks to be someone there local that teaches classes http://www.nobleprog.co.uk/ubuntu/training/manchester
[18:26] <Bentheplantguy> Formatted in OSX Disk Utility, still didn't work in ubuntu.  did verify, then repair.  external HD automounted right away in ubuntu.  not sure the diagnosis, but know the fix now.  ~thank you to all for the patience and help.
[18:38] <Bentheplantguy> Trying to format HD.  mkfs.ntfs not recognized as command.  is there an alternative?
[18:50] <stlsaint> Bentheplantguy: why using command line to format?
[18:56] <Bentheplantguy> don't know what else to use
[18:58] <Bentheplantguy> my profile has admin rights, and is password protected.  but my sudo/profile password isn't working for removing apps.  any ideas?
[19:01] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would just use gparted
[19:01] <holstein> its a GUI that'll do the job
[19:01] <holstein> or i would just format it in OSX and use it
[19:02] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: in a terminal, run this
[19:03] <holstein> sudo -s
[19:03] <holstein> enter your password... should say something like... root@host
[19:04] <holstein> exit will get you out of the root terminal.. if you do not get to root terminal, then you are entering the password incorrectly, or you have a serious issue
[19:05] <datadave> thanks, i will look at the uk site
[19:06] <datadave> so, what other basic tips have you got for me?
[19:07] <holstein> datadave: just keep it simple... come up with a task.. learn to do it
[19:07] <holstein> burn a CD.. rip a CD.. watch a movie... print something
[19:09] <Bentheplantguy> i got to the root terminal with that password, but it still didn't work to uninstall app.
[19:10] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: what app? what command? what error?
[19:10] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i say, keep it simple, and use a package manger like synaptic til you get comfortable
[19:11] <holstein> or, the software center
[19:12] <Bentheplantguy> software center.  found app. (tried with Wine and Nepomuk).  pressed remove key.  got the password prompt.  password not recognized
[19:12] <Bentheplantguy> what's the terminal command line?  i'll try that
[19:12] <Bentheplantguy> sudo apt-uninstall -Wine?
[19:23] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: depends on what you are trying to remove
[19:24] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: it will be the same password as you use in the sudo command.. if it fails, it will fail everywhere
[19:25] <Bentheplantguy> apt-get remove [file name].  it's only failing in software center.  same password is working for profile, sudo, root access.  just not sftwr cntr
[19:25] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: cool.. im going to assume, and suggest that you assume you are typing the password in incorrectly
[19:26] <Bentheplantguy> if you say so.  i've been typing it incorrectly then for months, and only in that one very specific location.
[19:27] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i could be wrong, and i dont use the software center, and i suggested another GUI package manager synaptic
[19:27] <holstein> use what works...
[19:27] <Bentheplantguy> yep, got to find it though
[19:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:29] <Bentheplantguy> does that just get you synaptic package manager?
[19:32] <Bentheplantguy> i just did an apt-get install for nepomuk (source of all my problems right now) and after reading state information, it says unable to locate package.  i'm trying to repair the install, but software center isn't recognizing my password.
[19:47] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would just troubleshoot the errors as they come
[19:47] <holstein> not sure what nepomuk is, and i have never used it... though i still suggest using synaptic
[19:47] <Bentheplantguy> k, may be biting off more then i can chew
[19:48] <holstein> you cant use multiple package managers at the same time
[19:52] <Bentheplantguy> nepomuk was the backup software that came with my version of ubuntu.  i tried using it when i got my hard drive hooked up, but it come back with the error "The Nepomuk backup service does not seem to be running.  Backup cannot be handled without it."
[19:53] <Bentheplantguy> i used synaptic to install all the updates for everything related to "nepomuk", but it still doesn't work.  know of better backup software?
[19:54] <holstein> sure
[19:54] <holstein> just drag what you want backed up over to a hard drive
[19:54] <holstein> or, share the error you are experiencing.. i would imagine it could be the hard drive is formatted FAT and needs to be ext
[19:55] <holstein> theres backintime.. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/back-in-time-a-simple-backup-tool-for-ubuntu.html
[19:58] <Bentheplantguy> well that's the error message when i try to open the program, so probably not the hard drive.  still need to format that back to NTFS.  OSX only gave me the options of FAT, FAT extension, and a bunch of Mac OSX extentsion formats.  sot sure how to use disk utility to format to NTFS
[19:58] <Bentheplantguy> I'll try backintime though
[19:59] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: likely needs to be ext for nepomuk
[19:59] <holstein> feel free and share the *exact* error message
[20:00] <Bentheplantguy> exact error message when program is opened "The Nepomuk backup service does not seem to be running.  Backups cannot be handled without it."
[20:00] <holstein> sure. give the error you get with you start the service
[20:01] <holstein> that error is just that.. the service is not running... so get it running, and troubleshoot from there
[20:01] <Bentheplantguy> so i figured repair or reinstall would fix whatever software problem is occurring
[20:01] <holstein> i doubt it
[20:01] <Bentheplantguy> well the window give you the options finish or cancel.  pressing finish exits the program
[20:02] <holstein> i dont think you are having a software problem.. i think you had a drive with errors that has been repaired, and you are using some backup software that you are unfamiliar with
[20:03] <holstein> maybe ask in #kubuntu?
[20:03] <holstein> seems like that app is a KDE app
[20:04] <holstein> i would start it from the command line and look for and report errors
[20:04] <Bentheplantguy> yeah, it KDE app.  i'll check that forum.  thanks for gparted
[20:04] <holstein> #kubuntu would have more kde users
[20:05] <holstein> maybe you should try using ubuntu with the integrated backup tool
[20:06] <Bentheplantguy> i don't know about the integrated backup tool.  what does it do?
[20:07] <holstein> well, i havent tried it, but AFAIK, it backs up... does what you are looking for
[20:07] <holstein> so does backintime
[20:08] <bobweaver> I use it all the time it is easy and a great tool
[20:08] <holstein> bobweaver: which?
[20:08] <bobweaver> we are talking Deja-dup
[20:08] <bobweaver> correct the built in backup thingy
[20:08] <holstein> cool.. maybe try that one Bentheplantguy
[20:08] <bobweaver> Have used with Ubuntu One rsync to server and also to backup to different partition
[20:09] <Bentheplantguy> k, i'll see what #kubuntu has to say, then check those out.  i have a 7 year old, almost broken, Dell that is limping along on ubuntu.  i haven't updated in almost a year cuz last time i lost some file for my network card that allowed it to recognize wireless networks
[20:09] <bobweaver> Bentheplantguy,  what is card ?
[20:09] <bobweaver> brodcoom ?
[20:09] <bobweaver> er spelling
[20:10] <bobweaver> broadcom ? ralink ?
[20:11] <bobweaver> Wireless card that is
[20:11] <Bentheplantguy> yeah, i think so.  broadcom.  bcmwl5.sys was lost.  took me almost a week to figure that one out, get it downloaded to a flash drive at a local library, and get it installed in the right place. > (
[20:12] <bobweaver> ahh you are on machine ?
[20:12] <bobweaver> can you give out put of
[20:12] <Bentheplantguy> what is the built in backup?
[20:12] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep 14e4
[20:12] <Bentheplantguy> i really don't know many commands, but if you give me prompts i can run it through terminal
[20:13] <bobweaver> out of the box Ubuntu comes with Deja-dup a tool for backing things up there is many many options
[20:13] <bobweaver> ok Bentheplantguy  if you would like to know what any of these commands do just ask but open a terminal
[20:13] <bobweaver> enter in
[20:13] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep 14e4
[20:13] <bobweaver> what is the number in Red ?
[20:14] <bobweaver> should be something like  [14e4:4312]
[20:15] <Bentheplantguy> I got two.  [14e4:170c] and [14e4:4311]
[20:15] <bobweaver> [14e4:4311]   <-- that is card #
[20:15] <bobweaver> You can paste them lines here ?
[20:16] <Bentheplantguy> you need the whole line?  why for?
[20:16] <bobweaver> to see if there is a LPphy  enter
[20:16] <bobweaver> to see if your card is low powered or not
[20:17] <Bentheplantguy> 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[20:17] <bobweaver> just need the one from 14e4:4311
[20:17] <bobweaver> thansk
[20:17] <bobweaver> It is not low powered
[20:17] <bobweaver> now lets look at drivers that are installed for that
[20:17] <bobweaver> in terminal
[20:17] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:18] <bobweaver> this will install a tool to make it easy to pastebin us stuff
[20:18] <bobweaver> !pastebinit
[20:18] <ubot2> pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:18] <Bentheplantguy> k, i'm doing a file drop backup at the moment.  so it might take a minute to do anything
[20:18] <bobweaver> ok
[20:19] <bobweaver> bottom line is this broadcoom often has errors and install the wrong flippen drivers
[20:19] <bobweaver> using additinal drivers
[20:20] <bobweaver> if you read the page for b43 (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43)   you will learn that your card is supported by 2 drivers one being the B43 and the other being the WL  I like the B43 more then the WL as the WL can cause head sores on updates
[20:24] <bobweaver> you can check to see what driver is loaded with the command        lsmod              then search the list if the wl is loaded and not the b43 (meaning shows up on that list) then arghh there be lay's trouble e'mat'e
[20:25] <Bentheplantguy> k, downloaded.  what now?
[20:26] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:26] <bobweaver> oh sorry
[20:26] <bobweaver> lsmod |pastebinit
[20:26] <bobweaver> then there will be link in terminal paste that link here plz
[20:27] <bobweaver> like so
[20:27] <bobweaver> ~$ lsmod |pastebinit
[20:27] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029275/
[20:27] <bobweaver> that is my lsmod
[20:29] <Bentheplantguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029278/
[20:31] <bobweaver> O_o  I see neither the b43 or the WL   how did you install before ?
[20:31] <bobweaver> did you manual put stuff in /usr/lib ?
[20:31] <bobweaver> like all the firmware and what not
[20:31] <bobweaver> nm  errr I hate seeing this     ndiswrapper           192828  0
[20:32] <bobweaver> so you are using windows driver for your card
[20:32] <bobweaver> with ndiswrapper
[20:32] <bobweaver> you do not need such headaches
[20:33] <Bentheplantguy> HAHAHA, yeah.  that's all i could figure out before.  i needed access right away (finals week).  and that's all i could find on good forums for quick fixes
[20:33] <bobweaver> you got ethernet cable that you can jack into ?
[20:33] <bobweaver> also lets see a
[20:33] <Bentheplantguy> no
[20:33] <bobweaver> free -m | pastebinit
[20:34] <Bentheplantguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029289/
[20:35] <bobweaver> thanks "free" shows how much ram you have
[20:35] <bobweaver> you have a gig
[20:35] <Bentheplantguy> i know, not much
[20:35] <bobweaver> which is fine with Ubuntu
[20:36] <Bentheplantguy> i can't run google earth or picasa though.  kinda sad
[20:36] <bobweaver> ok to fix your wireless scramble this is what you need to do
[20:38] <bobweaver> open terminal
[20:38] <Bentheplantguy> k
[20:39] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter && sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[20:39] <bobweaver> thouse are the packages that you need to get the b43 going
[20:39] <bobweaver> then
[20:39] <bobweaver> sudo modprobe b43
[20:39] <bobweaver> then
[20:39] <Bentheplantguy> give me the whole thing, cuz last time i did this i lost connection
[20:40] <bobweaver> sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[20:40] <bobweaver> ok
[20:40] <bobweaver> I have wrote tutorial for this on Ubuntu forums
[20:40] <bobweaver> post #44 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10796508
[20:41] <Bentheplantguy> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:41] <Bentheplantguy> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:41] <bobweaver> ahh something else is installing
[20:42] <Bentheplantguy> synaptic was open
[20:42] <bobweaver> or apt is open in other places ?synaptic?
[20:43] <bobweaver> funny when two people type at the same time :)
[20:44] <Bentheplantguy1> .... ahh thank god.  that killed my connection for a second
[20:45] <bobweaver> lsmod | pastebinit
[20:45] <Bentheplantguy1> actually, that thread is what i read a year ago.  so belated thank you
[20:45] <bobweaver> lol
[20:45] <Bentheplantguy1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1029314/
[20:45] <bobweaver> thansk
[20:46] <bobweaver> good job !
[20:46] <bobweaver> now
[20:46] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper
[20:46] <bobweaver> to get rid of it for good
[20:46] <bobweaver> ndiswrapper that is
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> $ sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> Reading package lists... Done
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> Building dependency tree
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> Reading state information... Done
[20:47] <Bentheplantguy1> E: Unable to locate package ndiswrapper
[20:48] <bobweaver> open synaptic and look for it and un-install it
[20:49] <bobweaver> And I am also sorry that I did not warn you that you would lose connect for a sec
[20:51] <Bentheplantguy1> no worries.  free help is always appreciated.  nothing a beer can't fix
[20:51] <bobweaver> lol
[20:51] <Bentheplantguy1> k, i have a couple ndiswrapper in synaptic.  which do i remove?
[20:51] <bobweaver> Bentheplantguy1, oh gezz
[20:52] <bobweaver> !screenshot
[20:52] <ubot2> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it.
[20:52] <bobweaver> :)
[20:53] <bobweaver> lets also see a
[20:53] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep VGA
[20:53] <bobweaver> see if we can fix you google earth troubles
[20:54] <Bentheplantguy1> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03)
[20:55] <bobweaver> glxinfo | grep direct
[20:55] <Bentheplantguy1> http://imagebin.org/215555
[20:55] <bobweaver> thanks
[20:55] <Bentheplantguy1> direct rendering: Yes
[20:55] <bobweaver> does not look like anything is install that is a good thing
[20:56] <Bentheplantguy1> k, just familiar and available?
[20:56] <bobweaver> direct rendering: Yes    that is also a good thing
[20:56] <bobweaver> if they where installed they would be green
[20:56] <bobweaver> 1 min
[20:59] <bobweaver> sorry about that phone calls from stores that want to carry Ubuntu
[20:59] <Bentheplantguy1> no worries
[20:59] <bobweaver> here is a picture of my synaptic  http://imagebin.org/215556
[21:00] <bobweaver> see how the installed things are green
[21:00] <Bentheplantguy1> yeah
[21:00] <Bentheplantguy1> can you help me out with gparted?
[21:00] <bobweaver> sure
[21:00] <bobweaver> I can try
[21:00] <bobweaver> what is question
[21:01] <Bentheplantguy1> got it running.  identified ext HD.  and of partition name has red warning with key.  wont let me unmount.  i want to format fat32 to ntfs so i can run large backups
[21:01] <Bentheplantguy1> mkfs.ntfs isn't a recognized command in terminal though, so i don't know how else to do it manually
[21:02] <Bentheplantguy1> brb
[21:03] <bobweaver> ok when you get back Take a screen shot of gparted and post :)
[21:05] <bobweaver> also a
[21:05] <bobweaver> sudo fidisk -l
[21:05] <bobweaver> er
[21:05] <bobweaver> not that
[21:05] <bobweaver> sudo fdisk -l
[21:05] <bobweaver> that
[21:09] <Bentheplantguy1> separately?
[21:11] <bobweaver> yup
[21:11] <bobweaver> no
[21:11] <bobweaver> sudo fidisk -l    < typo      should be     sudo fdisk -l            < that is a l like llama
[21:12] <Bentheplantguy1> http://imagebin.org/215557
[21:13] <bobweaver> cd /media && ls
[21:13] <Bentheplantguy1> what is the best backup software?  that's what i'm setting this all up for anyway
[21:13] <bobweaver> I like deji dump
[21:13] <bobweaver> lets you use many options
[21:13] <Bentheplantguy1> cdrom  cdrom0  external  index.html  MY BOOK
[21:14] <bobweaver> ok
[21:14] <bobweaver> cd
[21:14] <bobweaver> thenn
[21:14] <Bentheplantguy1> i mkdir before i figured out how to get the HD to connect.  useless directory now
[21:14] <Bentheplantguy1> external that is
[21:14] <bobweaver> ahh
[21:14] <bobweaver> cd ~
[21:14] <bobweaver> then
[21:15] <bobweaver> sudo umount /media/MY\ BOOK/
[21:15] <bobweaver> then close gparted and open again
[21:16] <Bentheplantguy1> bwadman@bwadman-laptop:~$ sudo umount /media/MY\BOOK/
[21:16] <Bentheplantguy1> umount: /media/MYBOOK/: not found
[21:17] <bobweaver> you need a space after the \
[21:17] <bobweaver> sudo umount /media/MY\ BOOK/
[21:17] <bobweaver> see how there is a space after the \
[21:18] <bobweaver> you can use tab completion for things like this  like  sudo umount /media/M   <-- press tab button two times fast
[21:18] <Bentheplantguy1> yep, got it.  what is purpose of \ ?
[21:18] <bobweaver> it is a escape character in bash
[21:19] <Bentheplantguy1> ok, no more warning or key
[21:19] <bobweaver> :)
[21:20] <bobweaver> you may now play with that harddrive
[21:20] <Bentheplantguy1> format to: ntfs not available
[21:20] <bobweaver> I take it , it is a usb backup thing
[21:20] <bobweaver> ok
[21:20] <Bentheplantguy1> SS USB 2/3
[21:20] <bobweaver> there is one last thing that you can do in order for me to help
[21:20] <bobweaver> watch this
[21:21] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoY4e7TGTNI&feature=g-upl
[21:21] <Bentheplantguy1> i have remote desktop
[21:21] <Bentheplantguy1> haven't used it for a while though
[21:21] <bobweaver> you have teamviewer ?
[21:22] <bobweaver> has to be teamviewer for my sake
[21:22] <bobweaver> to cover my ass
[21:22] <bobweaver> aka record session
[21:22] <bobweaver> that way I am in the clear
[21:22] <Bentheplantguy1> o ok.  makes sense.  no i think it's just ubuntu's remote desktop viewer
[21:22] <bobweaver> and can provide video proff
[21:23] <bobweaver> Do not give password here PM me
[21:23] <bobweaver> if you want this sorta help
[21:38] <bobweaver> Bentheplantguy1,  I am going to log into your system.  You are here by letting the Ubuntu member Joseph Mills irc nick bobweaver  log into and record the session. do you agree
[21:39] <Bentheplantguy1> i agree
[21:39] <bobweaver> cool
[21:39] <bobweaver> pm me info