[06:49] <dpm> good morning all
[06:51] <hobgoblin> morning dpm
[06:51] <dpm> hey hobgoblin
[06:51] <hobgoblin> how's Thursday morning looking dpm ?
[06:53] <dpm> looking busy, but I think it's going to be a good day ;)
[06:54] <hobgoblin> nice
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <benonsoftware> Afternoon dholbach ;)
[07:06] <hobgoblin> morning dholbach
[07:06] <dholbach> hi benonsoftware
[07:06] <hobgoblin> benonsoftware: hi :)
[07:11] <benonsoftware> 'ello hobgoblin
[07:12] <dpm> hey dholbach
[07:12] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:21] <s-fox> Hello
[14:32] <dholbach> james_w, you might like this one: http://www.breaksblog.biz/random-movement-podcast-24-082011/
[15:16] <technoviking> s-fox: got booted from the mod channel again
[15:26] <nigelb> AlanBell / popey - Heh, http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/epic-win-photos-british-tank-win.jpg
[15:27] <popey> that looks normal
[15:28] <nigelb> hahaha
[15:50] <jcastro> dpm: confused
[15:50] <jcastro> I am seeing the "download for ubuntu" button
[15:50] <jcastro> is it better to use that than the software center icon you made before?
[15:55] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, that's the new button we should use. My buttons were temporary until the design team created some proper ones, and it seems they did. I didn't realize they were ready until this morning
[15:55] <jcastro> http://shutter-project.org/downloads/
[15:55] <jcastro> it looks blurry to me
[15:59] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, it does a bit. I'll have to talk to jono or davidpitkin to see the originals
[16:02] <jcastro> marcoceppi: it should be easy with the tiny url to swap out the image right?
[16:21] <jcastro> is jono out today?
[16:23] <mhall119> he emailed that he might be late today
[16:23] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, let me know the updated URL for the image and I can switch it out
[16:24] <jcastro> marcoceppi: I have hesitations on this new one, it's blurry
[16:24] <jcastro> we'll see what dpm finds out
[16:24] <marcoceppi> kk
[16:24] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, I pinged davidpitkin a while ago, waiting for the answer
[16:25] <jcastro> no rush
[16:25] <jcastro> smart move with the quickurl marcoceppi
[16:25] <jcastro> I didn't want to go back and fix all those images
[16:25] <jcastro> dpm: I think your button is nicer! :)
[16:25]  * dpm is flattered :)
[16:25] <dpm> not sure about it, but thanks :-)
[16:31] <mhall119> I also liked yours better
[16:31] <mhall119> but maybe I'm just being anti-change
[16:34] <dpm> :)
[17:04] <dpm> ok, want to finish something by the end of today, but time for a break, bbl
[17:05] <dpm> ok, forgot to do something...
[17:09] <nigelb> ... stop working?
[17:10] <nigelb> did you forget to stop working? :P
[17:10] <dpm> ah, that must be it :)
[17:11]  * dpm away's
[17:36] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:58] <jono> hey folks
[18:08] <jono> balloons, how are we doing on A1 mandatory testing?
[18:08]  * jono waits for good news
[18:08] <jono> ;-)
[18:08] <balloons> heh
[18:08] <balloons> we have 100% mandatory coverage
[18:10] <jono> \m/ rock and roll \m/
[18:10]  * jono hi-fives balloons
[18:11] <balloons> yep, definitely good stuff
[18:11] <jono> balloons, very nice work
[18:11] <jono> balloons, btw, when are you going for Ubuntu Membership?
[18:11] <balloons> as soon as they meet..
[18:11]  * balloons has to check again on the schedule, the page was down last time
[18:14] <jono> balloons, please do, I want to get you up on planet
[18:15] <jono> mhall119, nice work on the pkgme blog
[18:16] <jono> mhall119, could you follow up and be more explicit about which backends we need
[18:16] <jono> I think we should run this as a "call for backends" type thing
[18:16] <jono> your post is a great foundation for this
[18:37] <jcastro> heya jono
[18:37] <jcastro> last call for alcohol before I got on the long weekend if you wanna catch up
[18:37] <mhall119> jono: sure, you want me to just list the ones I mentioned in my blog, or others?
[18:37] <jcastro> the only thing we need to discuss is the juju governance stuff imo, but that's not like burning on fire or anything
[18:43] <jono> jcastro, I haven't had a chance to look into, lets do it next week
[18:43] <jono> it isnt urgent
[18:43] <jono> and today I am slammed
[18:43] <jcastro> \m/
[18:43] <jono> mhall119, I think you should highlight the ones we most need and write about each one, say what is needed, what the backend is likely going to need to do, etc
[18:43] <jono> and explicitly ask for volunteers to write the backends and post in the comments if they are working on something so people can collaborate
[18:44] <jono> mhall119, and then reach out specifically to people who you think might be interested in helping
[18:49] <mhall119> jono: ok, that's going to require that I learn what the backends are going to need to do
[18:50] <jono> mhall119, ask james_w to summarize
[18:50] <jono> mhall119, our goal here is to get as many folks up to speed on what is involved so that they learn the skills to write the backend
[19:04] <mhall119> jono: what the backend code needs to do is specific to the build system it's targetting.  The instructions I gave on my blog, and the ones I linked to on pkgme.net, are as specific as you can get without going into details about how different build systems work
[19:06] <jono> mhall119, right, so I think you need to summarize, but I think that right now we are not setting people up for success enough: we need them to feel a grasp for the scope of the problem so they can work on it
[19:06] <jono> I think this means a summary of what work would be involved for a backend, and maybe a contact person who they can ask questions to
[19:06] <jono> maybe we can have a contact for each backend?
[19:07] <mhall119> a contact would probably help, we currently have Qt/qmake, Flash and HTML5 as targets, who would be good for those?
[19:11] <mhall119> I don't recall who did the qt template for quickly, but that might be a good contact for a qmake backend
[19:15] <balloons> mhall119, how is the qt quickly template?
[19:16] <balloons> I may try and mess around with qt this cycle
[19:21] <mhall119> balloons: I haven't tried it, but dpm demo'd it and it looks nice
[19:31] <jono> mhall119, I am not sure, can you find people who can be contacts, people who have an experience of those build systems
[19:35] <mhall119> I'll ask around
[19:46] <jono> thanks mhall119
[19:46] <jono> I think this will really help improve the chances of good contributions
[19:47] <mhall119> jono: I have 6 target backends, I'm trying to get a rough idea of what is required for each
[19:48] <jono> mhall119, cool
[21:35] <balloons> can anyone recommend a good ppa manager?
[21:35] <balloons> googling led me here, which seems interesting enough, but.. http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/y-ppa-manager-easily-search-add-remove.html
[21:45] <mhall119> balloons: make one :)
[21:45] <balloons> mhall119, let's just say i'm discovering the limits to ppa-purge
[21:45] <mhall119> that doesn't sound like a good thing to discover
[21:46] <balloons> :-)
[21:48] <balloons> fyi on that tool.. wow is it borked
[21:48] <balloons> good ideas, bad execution
[21:48] <balloons> now I get to do even more manual cleanup...
[21:48] <popey> I've not had issues with it..
[21:49] <mhall119> me either
[21:49] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/purgealltheppas
[21:49] <mhall119> in fact, it saved me more than once last cycle
[21:49] <popey> i use that too ☺
[21:49] <balloons> popey, ahh!
[21:49] <balloons> I knew there was something around like that
[21:49] <balloons> it doesn't exist in ppa purge
[21:49] <balloons> fyi, I was speaking of the y-ppa-manager, not ppa purge
[21:49] <popey> ahh
[21:50] <balloons> ppa purge works, although I found something it fell down on today
[21:51] <bkerensa> weird I cant boot to live usb anymore... ubuntu splash starts but then my laptop reboots =/
[21:57] <mhall119> w 26